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Medclinician
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Posted: November 13 2019 at 1:50pm |
First item to note about the current Flu - I have it - and it is pretty bad. Many of the people, my neighbors and friends, have it and their children. There will be a real issue this year because the vaccine will not cover hundreds of sub-strains emerging and there is no reporting of deaths of those over 65 minimal news from CDC as it spreads.
Influenza A 143 (24.6%) 738 (37.3%) Influenza B 439 (75.4%) 1,240 (62.7%) Widespread – two states (Louisiana and Maryland) Regional – one state (Alabama) Local – Puerto Rico and 15 states (Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and West Virginia). Influenza B 63 (53.8%) 382 (43.8%) Yamagata lineage 4 (9.5%) 11 (3.7%) Victoria lineage 38 (90.5%) 287 (96.3%) The 2019/20 influenza (flu) vaccines protect against the following viruses: an A/Brisbane/02/2018 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus an A/Kansas/14/2017 (H3N2)-like virus a B/Colorado/06/2017-like virus a B/Phuket/3073/2013-like virus (in the quadrivalent vaccines only) It doesn't appear the predominant strain which is infecting 96.3% of the people is covered by the current vaccine. Date last updated: Monday, Oct 07, 2019 Medclinician |
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I agree, Med.
I would never put anyone off of getting the vaccine; even a total miss offers a small bit of protection, by waking the immune system up and I doubt this is a complete miss. But I definitely agree that this season promises some nasties. |
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Thank you President Donald Trump. Maybe CDC was sleeping, but maybe we will get this in time.
President Trump signs EO for better vaccine for Flu President Donald Trump yesterday issued an executive order directing the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to overhaul seasonal flu vaccine production and urge more Americans to be vaccinated. The executive order, titled "Modernizing Influenza Vaccines in the United States to Promote National Security and Public Health," promotes new vaccine manufacturing technologies to support more robust vaccines and advances the development of vaccines that provide longer lasting coverage against a broad range of flu viruses. Weaknesses in current production methods In the executive order, President Trump emphasized that each year, flu vaccines prevent millions of illnesses and thousands of deaths. It also acknowledged that a deadly flu pandemic could inflict trillions of dollars of damage on the economy. "Unfortunately, many of the vaccines we use today are produced overseas, using time-consuming, egg-based technology, which limits their effectiveness and makes production too slow to effectively combat a potential deadly influenza pandemic," the White House said in a statement. In a related fact sheet, Trump said, "We want a safe and healthy future for every American family." Improving flu vaccines and developing universal formulations was part of proposed Senate bill last year that would have invested $1 billion in research over the next 5 years. Speeding up production, advancing better vaccines The goals of overhauling flu vaccine production will reduce reliance on time-consuming egg-based vaccine production. Also, the White House said improved production speed could help experts better match vaccines to the most current circulating strains. For example, earlier this year, World Health Organization (WHO) vaccine advisors delayed their recommendation for the H3N2 vaccine strain by a month, due to rising numbers of genetically and antigenically diverse viruses. In doing so, it warned that the move could delay flu vaccine production by 2 to 4 weeks. A more closely matched vaccine is an important part of making the vaccines more effective. Flu vaccines are known to provide moderate protection, at about 54%, though effectiveness varies by year, with performance especially uneven against H3N2 viruses. Also, the Trump Administration said it will advance the development of new more effective vaccines. In 2012, a group led by the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), which publishes CIDRAP News, led a group that published an in-depth analysis of problems with current flu vaccines and steps needed to develop a game-changing flu vaccine with the potential to blunt the impact of a future pandemic. The White House said President Trump is establishing a task force to identify priorities and monitor progress. HHS to take lead In a separate statement yesterday, HHS Secretary Alex Azar said that under the order, HHS will lead the coordination of efforts to modernize flu vaccine production. "President Trump’s executive order to modernize influenza vaccine manufacturing reflects his commitment both to America’s national security and to America's health," he said. Tom Inglesby, MD, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, on Twitter today said the executive order was good and strong, requiring a new plan for faster manufacturing, improving public understanding about flu and promoting better coverage, government study of vaccine effectiveness and costs, and a lot more. Medclinician |
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How on Earth does he expect that to help? Does the man understand nothing?
New better-match vaccines take months at best to develop. Even the best scientists can't change that. So they have to guess at the most probable match months before. He can't turn the tide just by ordering it so; no one can. King Canute tried that; look where that got him. STUPID MAN! I'm glad he is paying attention. But why, oh why does he not listen to his advisors? The youngest children of his medical advisors could probably have told him that. |
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Techno, you dump on my President Trump, I hate to tell you 95% of the people out of "Our little Prepper World" do not know about vaccines and how long it takes to develop. He is trying to get people moving on saving lives by getting people to think outside the box and maybe make a change for the good. Please use common polite wording, I never Called Obama a Stupid (N word) so do not use call my President names.
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Ok FluMom, I took the H word out and replaced it with: "How on Earth". Sorry, I did not expect a reference to the underworld would offend.
But no appologies for calling him stupid. An executive order to do the impossible IS is stupid, very stupid! His advisors should know. Not asking them/believing them is worse. Or far worse even than that, done cynically for political kudos. "Well I told them to make a new vaccine. It's not my fault they failed!" In fact, it could cost more lives, as it might make the gullible believe the next vaccine better than it is. Assuming the 'stupid' option rather than the 'waste taxpayers money to look good in the election run-up' option was giving him the benefit of the doubt. True, I can't stand him, but I do try to be fair. So, if he gets it right I say so. I chose to also exercise my right to support the other side of that ballance. This time he did not get it right - most spectacularily! Spreading vaccine awareness IS a good thing, but our government does it every year, so I did not think it required comment. Maybe I was wrong on that too. Ps, Obama had many faults, not least the Obamacare attempt. Which was frankly not fit for purpose, despite being a laudable attempt at saving American lives. However, being a person of colour was not a fault. His being black did not affect a single American negatively. It did give hope to many black Americans. So being a black man in the highest office, was something to laud, celebrate and admire. He made several mistakes in office, every President does, but with the automatic barriers against people of colour, just getting there was an historic achievement. Being/acting stupid while in office is a fault; a fault which impacts the people badly. So, yes, to use the 'n' word would be both offensive and irrelevant. To call someone stupid for doing something profoundly stupid, may be the former, but it is not the latter. So feel free to call Obama an idiot if you wish. Anyone offended by that should never hold office as it goes with the job. |
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The focus is getting more than a billion dollars to do a lot over five years. It won't happen tomorrow. The vaccine people keep missing the target and I will tell (cough) this is a bad one. We have at least most of the people on the block having it and the little dogs hardly see the daylight, much less a walk around to pee. Another key point is that a lot of sub strains develop and the bottom line is babies and old people get hit hard. Our local health people rarely admit anyone for flu or report it. I am on week four of this, and my neighbor on week 3. I realize the T world is a call to arms for many - especially in the last few days when another coup was thwarted. But an executive order to get on the vaccine thing is going to help. Medclinician |
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Why do I not love California right now?
I am trying to upload it here and I have .001 M bytes open to upload. Seems a little tight. Flu Map Week 45 During week 45 the following influenza activity was reported: Widespread – three states (California, Louisiana and Maryland) Regional – seven states (Alabama, Florida, Indiana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Tennessee and Texas) Local – Puerto Rico and 20 states (Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Mississippi, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Virginia and Washington) Sporadic – the District of Columbia, the U.S. Virgin Islands and 19 states (Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming) No Activity – one state (Rhode Island) Guam did not report. |
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I’m surprised. We’re seeing little to no flu activity down here in San Diego. I’m not aware of anyone with symptoms consistent with it. I’ve had a few coworkers come down with the sniffles for a few days (but no fever that I’m aware of) and nothing that’s warranted any sick calls.
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No arguments about the nasty flu itself - I can't use the words I want to to describe it - FluMom would tell me off (Quite right too!), but no executive order can change the laws of science - not even a little bit - however much we want them to.
So giving an executive order to produce a better vaccine (for this season) is either stupid or showing off - or both. I know you love Trump and you are fully entitled to feel anyway you want about him, but at least see the world as it is. |
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Ps, Our closest friend and neighbour has just had a week off work with flu. We did not. We just had a mild case of the sniffles. (The sniffles were me with nothing for Hubby.) We were both vaccinated and both only had the trivalent mix, although Hubby had the adjuvant in his.
That looks like a pretty good match to me for this year. |
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