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    Posted: October 03 2017 at 4:07pm
I don't really believe in conspiracy theories, but these videos are actually quite compelling.  Do we have second shooter?  These videos are actually quite chilling. 


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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

I don't really believe in conspiracy theories, but these videos are actually quite compelling.  Do we have second shooter?  These videos are actually quite chilling. 



Albert, I'm personally convinced there was at least one other shooter, and probably some helpers.  

I took this photo while training with the good agents of the FBI, here we are being shown the power of the Thompson Sub-Machine gun.  I've shot this stuff & know others here have as well. 

From the cadence of the gunfire and sheer volume of lead thrown, I don't know how that clown could have pulled it off by himself.  The barrels of the guns would have been red-hot, and even if he alternated rifles and inserted new mags, he could not keep up the level of firepower I heard on recordings.  

This thing stinks to high holy heaven.  


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Bernard tells me there is definitely more than one gun.  This conclusion would be well within his skill set.  This does not necessarily mean gunmen.  Some of the shots heard in the first video could be echoes and, I confess, I could not make out much in the second one, certainly nothing I could not eliminate as cameras, reflections etc..  So all I can say is inconclusive.  Forensic analysis of these videos may show much more.  

You could be on to something, Boss, but I don't know yet.
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Not sure about this one ... but who knows

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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
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That raises yet more questions:  some about the veracity of the sources of this info (for instance the alleged suicide note) but even more from the authorities - for what hey are not saying.
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http://statefort.com/hotel-guest-next-door-las-vegas-shooter-saw-multiple-gunmen/

An Australian man who was staying in the room next to the shooter in the Mandalay Bay has confirmed he witnessed multiple gunmen involved in the Las Vegas attack.

“There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us. I got outside safely and was hiding in bushes,” Brian Hodge told Australia’s Courier-Mail.

Mr. Hodge, who was staying in room 32134, next door to Stephen Paddock in room 32135, also provided important information when he revealed that a security guard was killed by police.

“My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.”

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Wendy Miller from Cooroy, on the Sunshine Coast – another Australian caught up in the Las Vegas shooting – may have provided a missing piece of the puzzle. Also speaking to the Courier-Mail, Ms Miller said she was at a bar in the nearby Luxor Hotel with her husband when she saw what she described as a “man of interest” run by.

Ms Miller said the man sprinted through her hotel after coming off an escalator from the Mandalay Bay.

“The man that they [security] were chasing was wearing a security jacket like them,” she said.

Mr Hodge’s eyewitness report of multiple gunmen and a dead security guard, and with Ms Miller’s report of a security guard being chased by authorities, suggest that the mainstream media narrative of the “lone wolf” gunman is not the truth.

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Audio evidence is provided PROVING there were at least TWO active shooters, using machine guns which differ from those allegedly found in the room of Stephen Paddock. 

Further, Paddock has an employment history with Defense Contractors, and the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police have leaked that he was an undercover FBI Intelligence operative, flushing-out persons in the USA who are self-professed supporters of ISIS who illegally seek weapons! 

The cameras which are publicly reported to have been inside Paddocks room were NOT for him to record his attack, but rather to help build cases against ISIS supporters buying illegal weapons!

Moreover, Paddocks "girlfriend" worked with the CIA in the Philippines in the 1970's and was implicated in a money scandal over CIA money being used to foster "pro-American attitudes" in the Philippines during the reign of Ferdinand Marcos.

When the girlfriend came to the USA, a CIA Agent named John W. Ford wrote a letter of recommendation for her to be given a Green Card!  That letter remains in the girlfriend's Immigration file!

So both Stephen Paddock and his girlfriend have verifiable connections to US Intel agencies.

It gets better: The airplane owned by Paddock was transferred to Volant, LLC out of Roanoke, VA. 

Volant, LLC engages in "defense intelligence" work. 

When this info came out, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) appears to have "scrubbed" the plane ownership database of this information!

The Las Vegas incident appears to be a botched government effort to bust people trying to buy weapons . . . weapons SUPPLIED BY THE GOVERNMENT!

Whether this is correct or not remains to be seen, but one thing is certain: We are NOT being told the truth about what took place in Las Vegas.

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Radio transmission from the las Vegas Metropolitan Police prove there were shooters on both the 32nd Floor where Paddock's room was located, AND on the 29th floor!

Radio transmissions also confirm there was an active shooter at "Gate 7" of the Country Music Festival!

Finally, police radio transmissions confirm a Hotel Security Guard was shot on the 32nd floor.  Cameras from hotel security will show this and show WHO shot the guard.  Show us the video.

These radio transmissions are included in the radio show archive below! 

The Mandalay Hotel Casino has security cameras in EVERY hallway and corridor; they will show every person who entered or left Stephen Paddock's Hotel room.  Show us the video!  

If video in the room shows Paddock attacking, then show us.  Otherwise, don't believe a word we're being told about this incident!

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No, There Was Not More Than One Gunman in the Las Vegas Shooting

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Evidence Suggests Las Vegas Shooter Had Help, Sheriff Says

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nvestigators with the sheriff’s office and the FBI, standing alongside Nevada Sen. Dean Heller (R), urged media to refrain from speculation and said the investigation would take time.

“We like to deal with facts,” said Aaron Rouse, the special agent in charge for the FBI’s Las Vegas division. “Theories are great and everyone can have a theory, but we need to deal with facts, the sheriff needs to deal with facts. We are reliant on that to do our jobs. That’s what we will focus on.”


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Just like the Oklahoma City bombings, I'm personally convinced this guy had help, if not another shooter in the room.  

He had to rapidly rotate his weapons to allow them to cool off....police found some that had jammed due to overheating. 

Just like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, we may never learn 100% of the truth with this situation.
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I was listening to  Michael Weiner aka Michael Savage on the radio while driving into town
callers were throwing everything but the kitchen sink into this episode
and ALL with absolutely NO evidence to back their claims
NONE
and Savage was all to happy to keep throwing them red meat
apparently its another government plot for a gun grab
course I am a little confused
Republican President ,Republican Senate,Republican House and "theeer gonna take our'ns guns" !!! ???

I thought Obama was the big bad gun grabber? I'm so confusedLOL
interestingly enough Obama turned out to be the best thing for the firearms industry ever
sales were through the roof during his term

people so mistrust the government now and maybe rightly so
that they will literally grab onto ANY conspiracy theory that comes along
damn the fact that they have NO evidence

IF there was a second shooter
this will be EASY to determine
motels such as Mandalay Bay have security cameras EVERYWHERE
a second shooter will easily show up on a dozen of them
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KRaZEEeeee is contagious

AZ congressman floats an absolutely insane conspiracy theory about who is funding neo-Nazis today

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/5/1704420/-AZ-congressman-floats-an-absolutely-insane-conspiracy-theory-about-who-is-funding-neo-Nazis-today

wow
what a certifiable nut job
and the guy is in a leadership position ???

I'm tellin' ya
there IS something in the water in this countryLOL
oh wait
thats a conspiracy theory too Embarrassed
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Las Vegas shooter booked hotel overlooking Lollapalooza, seen with mystery woman


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/investigators-delve-deeper-las-vegas-shooting-chilling-details-154506519--abc-news-topstories.html


this guy,in all probability did act alone,

see those weapon magazines in the photos?

those generally hold 30-40 rounds each

and it takes just a second or two to switch one out

and the actual shooting took only 9-11 minutes


ANY amateur could have pulled this off


NO Antifa or ISIS literature has been found

this guy owned a total of about 50 weapons of various types

many of them were at his other properties though

he did purchase 33 weapons in the past year

that should have been a RED FLAG

but records of this sort aren't kept apparently

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ISIS Claims Responsibility for Las Vegas Attack Again, with New Info About Shooter

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2017/10/05/isis-claims-responsibility-las-vegas-attack-fourth-time/

Earlier today, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said he believed that Paddock could not have been working alone. While Lombardo did not mention any terrorist groups, if ISIS claims are legitimate, it would fit Lombardo’s theory as to how Paddock could have gotten so many munitions, explosives, and “electronic devices.”


this so called sheriff really needs to STOP TALKING

at this point he is just embarrassing himself

he continues to just throw stuff out there with NO proof or evidence of ANYTHING he is saying


and literally ANYBODY could easily have purchased 50 firearms in this country

its just not that hard

go to a gun show moron


and these "explosives" he is referring to is tannerite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite


you can buy these stuff in any place that sells firearms and ammo for crying out loud


and the mysterious "electronic devices" he mentions

are pads and cell phone type devices

big deal

I have two cell phones and 4 pads and 2 kindles myself


stop talking Sheriff Bubba GumpLOL


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

KRaZEEeeee is contagious

AZ congressman floats an absolutely insane conspiracy theory about who is funding neo-Nazis today

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/5/1704420/-AZ-congressman-floats-an-absolutely-insane-conspiracy-theory-about-who-is-funding-neo-Nazis-today

wow
what a certifiable nut job
and the guy is in a leadership position ???

I'm tellin' ya
there IS something in the water in this countryLOL
oh wait
thats a conspiracy theory too Embarrassed

Yeah, that guy is 100% whack job.  However, did you see that the son of Israeli PM Netanyahu was involved with anti-Jewish Nazi activities?  Very weird, and this stuff fans the flames of clowns like the AZ congressman. 

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It was admitted today that the shooter had been doing this a long time and obviously had help. The details of the actual storming of the hotel room are now blurred and the distance between the windows which were fired from would indicate a second shooter.

Little mrs. shooter and I don't know nothing about nothing about him - is obviously not true. He made his millions - and he was rich - from stock investments and purchased over 37 weapons without raising any red flags. Why they were confused? He probably didn't post on Facebook - use Google or Skype and was off the radar.

He did not just flip out. It was a carefully planned and well executed attack that lasted from 9-11 minutes of almost continuous gunfire.

He had almost a half-ton or more of ammo at his house. He did not plan to die after the shooting so it is unlikely he shot himself. This could easily be known in a few hours from powder burns and other evidence which has yet to be disclosed.  He was probably shot and there is an audio tape as they raided the place saying they had one combatant down.  Which means what?   One?  Were there two or more.

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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

It was admitted today that the shooter had been doing this a long time and obviously had help. The details of the actual storming of the hotel room are now blurred and the distance between the windows which were fired from would indicate a second shooter.

Little mrs. shooter and I don't know nothing about nothing about him - is obviously not true. He made his millions - and he was rich - from stock investments and purchased over 37 weapons without raising any red flags. Why they were confused? He probably didn't post on Facebook - use Google or Skype and was off the radar.

He did not just flip out. It was a carefully planned and well executed attack that lasted from 9-11 minutes of almost continuous gunfire.

He had almost a half-ton or more of ammo at his house. He did not plan to die after the shooting so it is unlikely he shot himself. This could easily be known in a few hours from powder burns and other evidence which has yet to be disclosed.  He was probably shot and there is an audio tape as they raided the place saying they had one combatant down.  Which means what?   One?  Were there two or more.

Good to see you back Albert.

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Thanks, Med, good reporting!  The guy also tried to buy tracer rounds at a gun show & couldn't score any....he may have decided against using tracers since they would give away his sniper's perch.  

I don't know who or what this guy was, I can't figure out any motivation.  Crazy?  I guess that is the only label that fits, but I don't know many murderous sociopaths who have become self-made millionaires.   

 Some like Bernie Madoff were clearly nuts, brilliant and successful, so he might have had that kind of IQ with a different motivation.  
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

ANY amateur could have pulled this off


I disagree.  I'm a highly trained professional in law enforcement who owns more that a dozen firearms, and do not consider myself an amateur at all.  

This is what differentiates this guy: 

a) knowledge of firearms - he bought good stuff that worked, and bought it in a way that no red flags were raised.  He used a lot of cash, selected high-quality firearms and upgraded them with very specific upgrades (bump stocks).  He was rich enough to have purchased fully auto weapons on the black market if he wanted to. 

b) planning - he put years of planning into this, including selecting the event and hotel room to maximize destruction and minimize counter-attack.  There was no high-rise opposite to his sniper nest, and this made identifying his location very difficult for law enforcement.  He also set up cameras outside and inside of the room to alert him of law enforcement. 

c) execution - he obviously planned and rehearsed this meticulously.  Breaking out two windows vs. one optimized both his vantage point and minimized the chance that he could be fired upon by responders.  He was able to modulate his weapons so that he didn't have to have much downtime for reloading or dealing with heat jammed rifles.  

I have written attack scenarios for class assignments and tabletop exercises with the feds, and this guy was meticulous and driven.  Nothing amateurish about this at all.  He apparently intended to escape and survive, and we still don't know what he had planned next.  Maybe more of the same?  

At least the 9/11 attackers could be understood, motivated by rage against Western society and enticed by their religious beliefs.  This guy is a blank slate.  
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