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    Posted: February 05 2016 at 7:26am
As Albert guessed (well about the saliva):

Originally posted by BBC BBC wrote:

Active Zika virus has been detected in the saliva and urine of patients, the Brazilian government's health institute says.

The finding does not mean the virus can be readily transmitted through the bodily fluids.

The main method of infection is via mosquito bites, but scientists are investigating all other possibilities.


Traces of Zika have been detected in other bodily fluids in previous outbreaks, but the Brazilian authorities say this is the first time "active" virus has been detected.

Prof Jonathan Ball, a virologist at the University of Nottingham, told the BBC: "Because we can detect a virus in a particular body fluid it does not mean that it will become an important source of virus for transmission to humans.

"At the peak of virus replication in the blood, virus can often be detected in other body fluids, but the levels of virus are often much lower and there is no obvious or efficient means for the virus to get from that bodily fluid into another person's bloodstream."

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Thank-you for posting this, EdwinSm.

This is one development none of us wanted to see.

As this plays out and is confirmed, then we are at the point where we do not want to look back, and say, we should have caught that. ( no pun intended )

This Zika virus is largely an unknown.

I suspect the virus will be found in tears, fecal material and sweat as well. We'll see.

The report that Zika virus is found in saliva, is profoundly disturbing, and dangerous to human life.

No kissing. Can't think of anything worse.

And, that leads, by extension to, no human touch.

Less human touch means less people
No human touch means no people

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Scientists find Zika in saliva, urine, but unsure if transmission possible

Zika has been identified in the saliva and urine of two patients infected by the virus, a leading Brazilian health institute said on Friday, adding that further studies are needed to determine if those fluids could transmit the infection.

Scientists at the Oswaldo Cruz Foundation, a public health institute, said they used genetic testing to identify the virus in samples from two patients while they had symptoms and were known to have Zika, the mosquito-borne viral infection that has sparked a global health scare.

It is the first time the virus has been detected in saliva and urine, scientists told reporters in Rio de Janeiro. The virus was deemed active, meaning that it was able to cause infection, but the scientists stressed that it was too early to say whether Zika could be transmitted by either fluid.

“That fact that the virus was found with the capacity to cause infection is not proof that it can contaminate other people through those fluids,” said Myrna Bonaldo, one of the scientists who made the discovery.

Fiocruz, as the foundation is informally known, made the discovery after analyzing samples from two patients and carrying out a partial genome sequencing of the virus, said Paulo Gadelha, president of the foundation.

The discovery adds to concern that Zika, which is predominantly spread by the Aedis aegypti mosquito, could also be transmitted by other means, particularly sex. Scientists are researching reports earlier this week that an American had transmitted the virus to a sexual partner in Dallas County, Texas.

Also, Brazilian health officials said on Thursday they had confirmed two cases of transmission through blood transfusions.

Comment:  Unsure if transmission is possible?  Is that a joke?  Downplaying 101.   Maybe all 1.5 mil cases in Brazil are just mosquito bites.  Good grief.  They have over a million cases to look into and test.  There is absolutely no doubt the WHO and CDC already have the answer.  I believe if they simply inject the sample into an animal subject they will find it present shortly thereafter.  Hard to believe they haven't done that yet.
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This is just a repost from Latest News -

They seem fairly certain about bodily fluids as transmission, which indicates the next pandemic may have arrived.  This potential human transmission with the help of the mosquito leaves very little doubt that we are in a Zika Pandemic.

Pregnant women in Brazil urged to think twice before kissing because of Zika virus

U.N. office of High Commissioner for Human Rights said women in countries hit by Zika should have access to birth control, because of suspected of link of virus to birth defects.

Young revelers joke with each other as they lie in the shade during the 'Burial of the Mosquito' carnival block parade in Olinda, Pernambuco state, Brazil, Friday. The annual parade informs residents and tourists about the dangers of the Aedes aegypti and teaches them how to combat the mosquito.

By: Associated Press, Published on Fri Feb 05 2016

RIO DE JANEIRO—A top Brazilian health official warned pregnant women to think twice before giving a kiss as global measures mounted Friday against the Zika virus suspected of a link to birth defects.

The U.N. human rights agency called for some nations to loosen strict laws against abortion, and U.S. health authorities recommended that men who have visited areas with the Zika virus use condoms if they have sex with pregnant women.

Meanwhile, Colombian health officials said three people had died of Guillain-Barre syndrome after contracting the Zika virus. The country’s National Health Institute director, Martha Lucia Ospina, said all three victims were confirmed to have been infected with Zika. Still, most international experts are cautious about whether Zika can trigger the rare syndrome, which can cause complete paralysis, because other infections and conditions can lead to the illness.

In Rio de Janeiro, Paulo Gadelha, president of the Fiocruz research institute, told a news conference that scientists have found live samples of the virus in saliva and urine samples, and the possibility it could be spread by the two body fluids requires further study.

He said that calls for special precaution to be taken with pregnant women, and suggested they avoid kissing people other than a regular partner or sharing cutlery, glasses and plates with people who have symptoms of the virus.

“This is not a generalized public health measure, for the love of God,” he added, stressing both the seriousness of the discovery and reality that it was too soon to say how it could impact the epidemic.

Friday’s announcement coincided with the start of Carnival, a five-day-long bacchanal that sees millions of people take part in non-stop, alcohol-fueled parties where kissing as many people as possible is a top pastime. Gadelha underscored that the discovery needn’t alter Carnival plans for anyone but pregnant women.

Gadelha also stressed that the Aedes aegpyti mosquito, which also spreads dengue, chikungunya and yellow fever, remains the virus’ main vector and said the fight against the mosquito should be a top priority.

The Fiocruz team studied samples taken from two patients who showed symptoms of Zika and also tested positive for the illness. Tests on cell cultures showed the viruses in the samples were capable of damaging the cells, meaning that the viruses were active.

Myrna Bonaldo, who headed the Fiocruz team behind the discovery, said she was particularly surprised the virus was found in urine because Zika is generally thought not to thrive in acidic mediums.

“Each discovery is a surprise and a new find for us,” she said. “For us scientists, it’s extremely challenging to understand Zika virus.”

Meanwhile in Geneva, spokeswoman Cecile Pouilly said the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights was asking governments in Zika-affected countries in Latin America and the Caribbean to repeal any policies that restrict access to sexual and reproductive health services, including abortion.

“How can they . . . not offer (women) . . . the possibility to stop their pregnancies if they wish?” she said.

Pouilly gave the example of El Salvador, where about a quarter of women had experienced physical or sexual violence in the past year.

“So that also shows that many of these pregnancies are out of their control and countries obviously have to take that into account,” she said. Pouilly said that safe abortion services should be provided to the full extent of the law. “The key point is that women should have the choice and (make) informed decisions,” she said.

The National Conference of Bishops in Brazil, the South American country hardest hit by Zika, had no immediate comment on calls to loosen abortion laws. However, in a statement issued Thursday, the bishops said that the World Health Organization’s declaration earlier this week that Zika was an international emergency didn’t justify abortion.

Meanwhile, U.S. health officials said men who have visited an area with Zika should use condoms if they have sex with a pregnant woman — for the entire duration of the pregnancy.

The guidance issued Friday also says men might consider abstaining or using condoms even if they have sex with a woman who isn’t pregnant.

Zika virus disease is mainly spread by mosquitoes. But U.S. health officials detected a case of sexual transmission of the disease in Texas this week and in Brazil, officials said they had confirmed the virus was contracted via blood transfusions. For most people who catch the virus, it causes mild or no symptoms.

Officials previously recommended pregnant women postpone trips to more than two dozen countries with Zika outbreaks, mostly in Latin America and the Caribbean. Several Latin American nations have urged women to postpone pregnancies.

To date, the mosquito-borne virus has spread to more than 20 countries in the Americas, including some where sexual violence is rampant.

Brazil responded to complaints it had been slow to share data about the illness. In a statement Friday to The Associated Press, the health ministry said that it’s sending a set of Zika samples to U.S. health authorities. It did not immediately respond to requests for more details.

The announcement comes after the AP revealed that international health officials were frustrated at Brazil’s refusal to share enough viral samples and other information to answer the most worrying question about the outbreak: Whether the disease is truly causing a spike in babies born with microcephaly, or abnormally small heads.
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Albert called this one. Our future generations are at risk here folks!
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