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Am I becoming obsessed?

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Roxy,

What you said just reminded me of something; yesterday, I want out and was buying some extra gasoline. I saw a guy that looked like he bought about $80.00 worth of lottery tickets. I just can not see wasting hard earned money on something like that. It seemed like such a waste.
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I am in NC and I agree with you, It seems that they are taking the situation very seriously, but they are doing it very quietly. I get the immpression they have been planning for a while.    
 
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Originally posted by Gatorpoo Gatorpoo wrote:

Femvet
I am in NC and I agree with you, It seems that they are taking the situation very seriously, but they are doing it very quietly. I get the immpression they have been planning for a while.    
 
would appreciate it very much if you keep us updated as to developments there. Our daughter is a Professor at the University in Raleigh with an eight month old son and I can't get her to pay attention to this!! It's driving me crazy!! Maybe if she got local warnings, she would take it more seriously!
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I have a daughter in Raliegh with a 3 month old baby her husband works in the triangle -they are preparing. PM me maybe they can get together I know they feel kinda lonely preparing for this. Cry
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I have used money I needed for other fairly important things to buy preps.  But how could I ever forgive myself if I did not prep, and it happened, and my children had nowhere to go?  Its and insurance like any other, and I think this particular risk is quite high.  More importantly, even if it were not so high, the scenario if it did happen would be  so completely devastating it is foolish not to prepare.  Much of the stuff will get used eventually, even if the pandemic turns out to be too mild to do us much harm.  Its really just the "interest" real or intangible, on the money spent on preps that has to be taken into account.  Beth
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Thank you for welcoming me everyone.

I  have looked through as much of the material on this site as I can without melting my eyeballs to check my preps and see if there was anything I missed. One thing I have noticed from an ATD standpoint is that most people on the list plan to shelter in place and have large stocks of heavy supplies on hand. This is not totally practical for ATD or environmental 'bug-out' situations, where you may have to deal with chem/bio/radiation fallout or massive destruction of the surrounding area (ex. hurricane Katrina, large earthquake). I'm trying to take an aproach that will allow me to shelter in place or bail out as necessary.  Also, there are some differences in prefered gear, a majority of the people seem to prefer the disposable face masks in conjunction with goggles in a pandemic situation. I do not understand the reasoning in paying for cases of these masks, when you can buy a full-faced, ballistic, NATO filtered mask for around $150 that will give better protection as long as you follow good decontamination procedures.

I look forward to replies. D*
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For all outdoor trips, I have decided to use my North 7700 half-mask with P100 filters that I use for stone sculpture. It has an absolutely air tight seal, and keeps out everything that's not chemical. It also disinfects easily with Purell wipes. For inside stuff, like caring for a sick person, I went with the 3M 1860 blue N95's.

The North might not be for everyone, but I am used to there being a sauna on my face for several hours at a time.

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Forgot about obsessing.

YES, I went through the "3 Stages of BF" just like everybody else. Eventually, news burnout ensues, and you can go about your life more rationally.

And relatives do think I'm a nut job.

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Originally posted by Dragondark Dragondark wrote:

Thank you for welcoming me everyone.

I do not understand the reasoning in paying for cases of these masks, when you can buy a full-faced, ballistic, NATO filtered mask for around $150 that will give better protection as long as you follow good decontamination procedures.

I look forward to replies. D*
 
Where can I get these and do they make them small enough for kids?
Insanity is making the same mistakes and expecting different results....therefore...Those who don't learn from history are bound to go insane.
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Linda,

There is this:

http://store.pksafety.net/fulfacres3m6.html

and this is what I wear:

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611750154

Don't know about about the "NATO ballistic" part, but I'm sure these would suffice. I got the North one in size "small" for my daughter, who is 21 but tiny.

Hope this helps.

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Originally posted by Dragondark Dragondark wrote:

when you can buy a full-faced, ballistic, NATO filtered mask for around $150 that will give better protection as long as you follow good decontamination procedures.
 
If you shop carefully you can do better than $150 each. This year I purchased two new-in-package full-faced Scott Promask 40s  (http://www.scottsafety.com/PDF/ENGL_ESITE/Promask_BRO_ENG_1110052.pdf) for less than $90 total with shipping. The only disadvantage versus the current military gas mask is no drinking tube.
 
I also purchased six sealed NATO NBC filters, expires 2011, for $96. Normally they run $35-50 each.
 
NOTE: I will not use them for the BF. NATO NBC filters will last two to twelve hours dependant upon environmental load. At $35 a pop, I can't afford to stock enough for the long range.
 
Therefore I will use the N95 for the possible few ventures outside my neighborhood. The Scotts are for NBC emergencies.
 
If one insists on a full-faced mask, shop around!
 
 
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I  get my stuff through approvedgasmasks.com. They're shipping times can be a bit of a hassle, but they are good folks.  My prefered mask is the SGE400/3. But I have bought SGE150's for my family (a steal at $98 with NBC filter). The big sell points for me are  thatthe mask will stand up to a 1 inch steel ball propelled at 335 mph without cracking or damaging the face shield, also it will not melt in 375' heat for 6 min.  They make sizes for children too.

I am personally more comfortable having my entire face including eyes,tear ducts, soft membranes, ect. behing a single enclosed capsule to keep out iritants and bio stuff. Plus, being a one-piece polycarbonate shell, it's easy to clean the exterior with a wipe before entering your shelter or taking it off.
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