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Many vegetables that used to be canned using a water bath method cannot anymore due to genetic changes with the vegetables. For example, tomatoes have been modified to reduce their acidity, so unless you pressure can them, they will not seal well.
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http://www.heirloomseeds.com/victory.html
This is where I got my non-hybrid seeds from. You can order individual seed packets or a Victory Garden already put together.
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Ironstone
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Don't forget you can plant your dried beans and corn, rice is a bit harder to grow.
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I went and got the following today to add to my food supply:
2 Large jars of peanut butter 1 Large box of pepperidge farm indivually wrapped crackers 6 boxes of rice pilaf the other day i got some of those wind up flash lights lots of chicken broth all my first aid supplies for colds, fever etc. What I dont have yet is t-paper, papertowels, paper plates etc. I want the food first!!! |
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Today...What a day!
My husband went to the eye Dr. & got a virus that was growing on his eyelid removed. Thought it was simply a skin tag, but no, it had "roots" that needed removal as well. He & I both got a yr. supply of contacts & eyeglasses as well. We filled all of our propane tanks (9) of them, & then went to the gas station to fill our 14 seven gal. containers of gas & purchased bar oil for DH's chainsaw as well. We don't have a generator, so the gas is strictly for cutting wood, or bartering. At this moment, my DH is out chopping wood for next year. We have a soapstone fireplace (the best, in my opinion, when it comes to heating our 6 bdrm. Northern MN hse.) Last yr., we only spent $157.00 on fuel oil to heat our entire house! If you're considering purchasing a woodstove, please check this out! Lastly, we called all of our "unbelieving relatives" to tell them what is to come. We're still the same "wierdo's" as we were prior to the most recent call. God help us all... Peggy |
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Today I ordered the book The Encyclopedia Of Country Living suggested by someone on the forum. I ordered 2 remote control colemans lanterns,one single burner butane stove. We bought one extra batteries for each vehicle and one extra marine battery. Please don't forget to put activacted Charcoal on your list. A must for every household and first aid kit. It's great for accidental posioining and a host of other things. It would be a good idea to read upon it's many uses. You can but it in capsule form from places like walmart.
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Muttcats, The usual problems folks have with making bread is that they get the dough too dry. The dough should be sticky enough that you have to keep LIGHTLY dusting while kneading. The second problem is not kneading enough. Kneading releases the protein Gluten which makes the dough stretchy and holds the gasses while the dough proofs. My rule of thumb (for a double loaf batch), is "push, fold, turn, push" 100 times. Give it a try again. There is nothing quite so wonderful as fresh baked bread. By the way, a Coleman Camp Stove Oven works great after you master getting the temp right. |
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Ditto the QVC battery driven candles.
Sealbay.
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Bought another case of bottled water (liter size)
Bought a case of Vitamin Water
Bought 20 32oz. bottles of Gatorade
Got my gloves, and masks in the mail.
Bought a bunch of coloring books and crayons and 2 blank journals (in case of boredom or prolonged isolation then we can record events)
Bought a new Leatherman in a package with a wind proof lighter, and a pair of binoculars.
Stocked up some more on canned foods and dried beans and pasta.
Bought extra fish, cat and dog food.
Ordered booties for us to take the dog outside but haven't received them yet.
Bought 2 boxes of 100 ct. sandwich baggies and a package of baby socks (We'll use the baggies as a liner and put the baby socks over them to hold them on and prevent the dog from getting any potentially bad stuff on her feet).
Stocked up on some more candles.
Ordered a case of Glo-Sticks (Great as nite lights, or to light up a walkway, hallway, or dark cupboard.)
Bought a large bottle of Aleve.
..,.GETTING THERE...Phew!
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Live Well, Laugh Often, Love Much!!
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muttcats, one thing about powdered milk. Let it sit in the fridge overnight. Even the "instant" stuff will be better after it has had time to fully reconstitute.
Another way to make powdered milk a little more palatable is to add some powdered coffee creamer to it. It really does make a difference and the kids will probably be more inclined to drink it. Try it...it really does help.
Also, I wanted to make a quick point about storing a few candles. Once the candles have burnt down and no longer hanve a wick, the leftover wax can be used as a fire accelerant or starter. Wax works better on a pre-existing fire but it really does "stoke" the fire and get it burning very hot. A good tip for people who are planning on cooking over a fire. Wax makes the fire burn stronger and hotter. Make sure NEVER to pour melted wax directly over a fire...the flames shoot several feet in the air and someone could be severely burnt. Prior to the fire starting or just after starting it, pour wax (either melted ot in chips) over the material to be burnt (I am assuming wood) once the fire start going better and it reaches the points when the wax is, it will burn very hot and the time you have to wait to cook over it will be cut in half.
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It's been light for us this week, the never-ending rain is getting on my nerves and hubby is sick with a sinus-infection and cold.
Got 10lbs of flour, froze it for 3 days and put it in containers with bay-leafs. 5 lbs of salt, 4 lg. cans of beans, 5 lbs of dry beans, mexican spices and sauces, complete pancake mix and syrup, 3 jars of jam. Made flour from older oat-meal. Learned to make hamburger rocks thanks to Nana's very patient tutelage. Bought a bunch of puddings and jello's at $.99 store (3 for $.99).
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Hamburger rocks? Do I need a pressure cooker to make these? Is there a thread that can inform me how to make these?
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My young daughter and I have no weapons or defenses if situation gets bad or people start breaking in for food etc.
We are planning on an ANNE FRANK type hideout in our home.
I can't say where. Walls have ears.
I have been moving preps to new place and we did a test run last night.
My daughter really enjoyed the experience! Wants to do it again tonight.
It worked out quite well needs a few adjustments. Extra equipment and bedding needed but will be worth it for a quick hideaway.
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RECIPE FOR HAMBURGER ROCKS
1. Using a large skillet (cast iron is great), brown and fry 5 pounds of ground beef. When thoroughly cooked, transfer the meat to a colander. Rinse under hot running water to remove the fat. Then clean the skillet with paper towels to remove excess fat from the first cooking. 2. Place the washed meat back into the wiped skillet and fry it again over medium/low heat, stirring often until you see no more steam. Keep the heat/flame low once the rocks are browning up nicely. 3. Place the "twice cooked" rocks into an oven roasting pan. Turn the oven to 200 degrees F, stirring and turning occasionally as the meat continues to dry. One to two hours should finish the job. Remove from the oven and check for dryness. When cool, pack into zip lock bags or mason jars. Pack tightly, expelling as much air as possible. Store in pantry drawers or shelves. 4. To "can" the hamburger rocks for long term storage, preheat canning jars in the over at 250 F, simmer the lids as usual, put the "rocks" into the jars while still hot, then seal the jars. After 15 minutes or so the jars will cool and you will hear the jar lids "pop" as they seal in place. Tip: Don't forget to buy and use mouse traps in your larder. Mice will make mince meat out of packaged foods before the uninvited house pests are even noticed by the family cat! Glass jars are the safest method of mouse-proof storage. Storing zip lock bags in heavy food grade 5 gallon buckets is the next safest alternative. |
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Ditto on making sure you have protection from mice.
The other day I checked on a little storage area where I have the bulk of my "long term" storage foods kept. This is an out of the way place in the house that is almost completely taken up with plastic buckets of grain, beans, etc. While checking on it, I founc mouse droppings and noticed that some of the d-CON had been scattered. Hopefully, they just got into the poison and didn't chew their way into my buckets.
As hard as it's going to be to get a couple of tons of food out of there, I think I'm going to need to move them for inspection one of these days.
BTW, it still bears repeating that rat poison is a good item to stock up on for future use as well. Mice are affected by H5N1, but I have read recently that rats don't seem to die from it.
If the CAT population is seriously hurt by H5N1 and RATS don't die, but multiply, then rat poison might be better than gold.
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With my Son out of the house for the next 4 days, I'm going to unpack everything I have stored, get it organized, and do a full inventory. I've been keeping a running inventory as I buy things, but I may have missed some things. I'll also take advantage of the time to can more butter, and maybe play with canned bacon. Anyone with a nice simple recipe for the bacon?
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I am new member of this forum, but I've been reading posts for a few weeks. At first I thought you guys were a bit crazy, but after reading many news reports< I've decided that I better start stocking up. I am basically buying things I would use anyway. I will have a last minute list to buy, if it indeed mutates. I have a feeling you guys will be on top of it first, and I'll have a day or so before media reports it. I have water, batteries, rice, toilet paper, toothpaste etc. This whole thing is too scary believe, but so was 9/11. We in the U.S. always seem to feel that nothing will happen to us, but I am not taking any chances. Thanks for all your help and insight.
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Canning Bacon
Something to remember when using this recipe: keep the grease off everything! You will have trouble getting the lids to seal if you allow thegrease to splatter on the jar rims or on the lids and rings. Do everything slowly and carefully to keep everything clean. One more thing....this is not a USDA approved method, can bacon at your own risk. You will need: 1 Pound of bacon for each quart jar Parchment paper Roasting pan or other pan for the oven Quart jars, lids, rings and Pressure Cooker Procedure: Boil jars, lids and rings for 10 minutes, keep simmering. Get water in Pressure Cooker boiling Trim long sheets of parchment paper so that they will fit, rolled up in a quart jar. The paper should not be any wider than the jars are tall from their bottom to their necks. Lay strips of bacon on a baking pan or roasting pan and pre-cook in a 350* F oven until they are about 2/3 their original length, but do not cook them until they are crisp. If they are crisp when they are placed in the jars, they will crumble. After pre-cooking, place the strips of bacon, still limp, on a sheet of trimmed parchment parchment paper. Roll the paper and bacon up and insert this roll into a hot, sterilized quart jar. Pour the grease from the bacon into the jar, do not fill more than 2/3 full of grease. Process at 10 pounds pressure for 1 1/2 hours. Higher elevations should use 11 pounds pressure. To cook: Open sealed jar, unroll paper and remove bacon. Cook bacon in a skillet until crisp. I'll see if I can find some more recipes though. |
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Oknut ... thank you for putting the hamburger rocks recipe on the site! I'm going to make them ASAP! How long will the 'canned' rocks last, when stored in the jars per your instructions? -k
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Oknut,
thanks for the recipe. If there is not enough grease to get to 2/3 full, is it OK to use a vegetable oil, or is it even required to bring it to 2/3full?
Thanks !
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oknut
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I haven't actually canned any bacon. Don't know that I will, but I do want to can some bacon grease that I keep in my frig now.
As for the hamburger rocks - I did do 6 pint jars of them and had one that would not seal. I just put that one in the frig and used it in a recipe. The other 5 are with my preps. I don't plan on doing more because it was messy and time consuming to put up so little. Here's what the site for the "Hamburger Rocks" had to say about them: "Hamburger Rocks" are small chunks of cooked, dehydrated, fresh beef. They will store effectively for two or more years. Once rehydrated by soaking one cup of rocks in two cups of boiled water, the pre-cooked meat can be used in any recipe. It is delicious for tacos, spaghetti sauce, hamburger helper, tamale pie, lasagna, or your favorite recipe. It is very difficult to distinguish from fresh hamburger in a meal! Regular ground hamburger turns into small "rocks," some "gravel," and a little "sand" when dried. We grind rump roast and pot roast in a #2 Universal meat chopper using the 3-bladed cutter (on right in illustration below), and now we get almost all "rocks," very little gravel, and virtually no "sand." And the yield is higher too, as there is not as much fat to melt away. Still, be prepared to cry when you make the first batch, as 6 pounds of perfectly good roast will dehydrate into only one (1) quart of hamburger rocks! ==================================== I have canned butter and someone on another thread said that lard and bacon grease can be canned the same way. So I plan to can some lard for making tortillas and bacon grease for flavoring along with more butter. Hope to can some of the cheese sauce from velveeta cheese too. That recipe called for water bath canning. The canned bacon recipe I posted was the only one I could find when searching. It sounds like it's quite time consuming so I'm not planning to put any up. I'd rather just rely on commercially canned meats to use in small amounts for flavor. Of course I already have my 5 pints of hamburger rocks too. I hope to find time to try making jerky from ground meat. Should be able to add small amounts of it to dishes for flavor and added protein. I'm no canning expert. twoolf - It might be easier to cut the bacon strips in half and pack into pint jars instead. That way you wouldn't have so much space to fill with grease - just a thought. Like I said, I haven't actually done this. Deb |
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Actually ... for the bacon do you think it would just be easier most cost effective to get the pkgs. from BJ's/Sams, etc? Then we know it's safely packed and I think I read where someone on here said that it tastes good too! -k
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I think that's a good plan ReadyMom. I picked up a bag of the Hormel crumbled bacon. I just read the back and it must be refrigerated after opening so it might make sense to purchase more of the smaller bags instead of large ones, just in case we don't have electricity.
I only posted the recipe because someone asked for one. It sounds like a lot of work to me for a small amount of meat. I don't plan to can anymore hamburger rocks for the same reason. The single canned bacon recipe I could find, stated that it was not approved too. I'd rather just have some canned bacon grease for flavoring and depend on commercially canned meats. |
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oknut ... thanks for all your help. I'm new to most of this ... brought up on packaged store bought stuff all my life! Do you think that the rump roast and post roast can be packed/canned the same way ... just using little bit bigger pieces or slices? Then they could be hydrated and put in gravy served almost like 'new' in dinner platter vs always having soups, stews.-k
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ReadyMom - I don't really know. It might be more difficult to remove enough fat and dry them well enough if they aren't ground. You could always pressure can jars of meat according to standard instructions for canning meat.
When I made my Hamburger Rocks, I used very lean ground beef - it was over 90% lean so there wasn't as much loss due to fat content. A person could always make jerky from beef and it's supposed to store well, especially if vacuum packed. I just have trouble finding the time to experiment as much as I'd like to. Where is my Grandmother? Wish she were still around because she knew how to do almost everything. |
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Followup - if we find ourselves living entirely on our preps, I don't plan for meat to make up much of our diet. I stored many cans of tuna and salmon and quite a few cans of ham, chicken meat and some corned beef.
I expect that our diet will consist mainly of starches with meat used more for flavor than substance. Being called back to work. |
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'ping' - 'ping' - 'ping' - 'ping' .... music to my ears!!I just canned my first butter! Yahooo!!!Now, I feel like an official 'prepper' --- actually When I came home, today with my second 100 cans of on-sale canned goods I was probably one then, too!! |
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Congratulations ReadyMom!
I know I felt good when I canned my first little batch of butter. I've only got 10# of it canned so far so I need to do more soon. |
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Geeze, our 'Giant' grocery store has 1#/$1.50 (limit 4), so I just brought my 3rd purchase home. So, my first 4# is done, and I have 8# left. You say you've only got 10# done ... I'm wondering how much is enough! I don't want to loose out on the Easter baking sales! Do you think this would work w/ country crock??-k
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I'd be afraid to try it with margarine ReadyMom. Most of them contain hydrogenated fats and a bunch of other stuff. Might work but though.
There are only 2 of us plus pets but we use butter or olive oil for almost everything. I love butter! I like it on my rice, on pasta, on bread, on oatmeal. I may live in OK now, but I'm from Wisconsin. Gotta have butter. I canned mine in half pint jars and found that 5# of butter was just a tad too much for 12 jars. We'll probably end up feeding our friends next door so I'd better can more butter. LOL! BTW, that's a great price. The cheapest I've found here is $1.99 and sometimes $1.69 a pound at Aldis. Another thread in the prep area said you can can lard and bacon drippings the same way. The bacon drippings might help make the endless beans taste better. I just bought 3 bottles of Beano too. |
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I canned bacon by directions that were on the web but are now gone. I fried the bacon and kept it in a dish til i had enough fat to do a 1/2 pint.....stuffed as much bacon as i could into the jar and then poured in hot grease to cover bacon and about 1/2 inch from the top. I cannot remember the amount of time i pressure cooked it but would have been at 11 pounds and probably for over an hour. Am so angry i did not mail myself the directions and store on my computer, now i cannot do it again. Bacon grease can be canned like lard...but be very very sure the water is boiled off.
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Thanks a million Oknut for the hamburger rocks recipe!
I've got a freezer full of steaks, roasts, venison, etc., that I'm going to try thawing & grinding for making the rocks. Just finished my 36th pint jar of canned butter. Got it for $1.29 lb. with a filled stamp page. I knew if I just saved those stupid booklets long enough, I get a great deal with them. BF here we come! Peggy |
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I also used 1/2 pint jars ... liked the smaller size for the butter better. Only I have to get more. I found that 8 sticks of butter filled 9 jars and I still had room to shake. bacon drippings .... when I was young, we grew up (I'm English, living in USA most of my life) spreading the bacon drippings, that were saved in the fridge, on bread and it was sooooo good! Now, you wouldn't think of doing that. But, boy, just thinking about it ..... mmmm ... it was good! I'm getting such good suggestions .. please keep posting your ideas! They are SO VERY appreciated! -k
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For the last 2 weeks we have been having tall pine trees cut down before hurricane season. Today i walked around the property to get a good idea of what kind of fruit trees and nut trees to plant. we have already started our garden. Doea nyone know a good place to buy fruit trees and nut trees? Thanks
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ReadyMom, I'm originally from Germany. My grandma used to make "schmaltz", goose fat with bacon bits. Spread on bread, add some salt. Soooooooo good!!) (and so bad for you!). Oknut, from what I understand you're only supposed to can sweet, unsalted butter. Apparantly salted butter becomes VERY salty. Magarine is a no-no, forgot why.
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Somewhere I read some reciped how to use powdered milk to make yoghurt, sour cream and other stuff. Does anybody have the link??? TIA
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I almost hate to post the link as the increase in traffic may knock my favorite budget recipe site down, but Hillbilly Housewife has the recipes you speak of. http://www.hillbillyhousewife.com/powderedmilkrecipes.htm |
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Thanks Muttcats for the link. Great!
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Wonderful site muttcats - Thank you!
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Muttcats, thank you!!
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Muttcats, after checking this site out, I can see why it's your favorite. It's fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!! Menu plan with matching shopping list, all the recipes for the menu's. Everything in one place!! I will be printing like a maniac!
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Got another 65lbs of kitty litter, two more cases of canned food for the kitten (an 8 month old monster!). Large container of anti-bacterial gel, shampoo, couple more OTC meds, Nutella, a couple of pkgs. quick-cooking mexican rice. Starting to prepare an actual menu for a month and pre-packing meals. I have about 4 months worth of food, so my focus now is shifting to learning to bake breads etc. and short-cuts.
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Tried canning bacon today. Not particularly difficult, but before I do any more, I'll let this batch sit for a while and then sample it to see if it warrents doing any more. Also put up more butter bring total to 36 one half pints. Goal is 48 1/2 pints then I'll quit. Local stores had some good sales this week (10 cans green giant vegis for $5 etc), so took advantage of that (30 cans).. Probably get more before the sale ends. Goal there is a total of 180 cans. Picked up some incedentals like soups etc that ar not on my list but I'm just trying to get some variety in the larder! Of the 187 food items on my list, 138 are complete so I'm almost there I'm looking for one of the adapters that refil 1 lb propane bottles from a 20 lb cylinder/ bottle , but all I can locate is ones for the older style valves (female thread). Anyone know where I can get one for the new style cylinders that have the large external threads? I think they are called PPL (?). I can run the camp stove off the 20 pounders, but would like to be able to refil the 1 pound ones for the lanterns.
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Muddcats,
What a great find!
Thanks.
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Muttcats,
Sorry, brain said one thing, fingers did something else.
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