Are you packing Heat along w/ preps?

IMHO- 12 guage pump action shotgun would be my #1 choice.  Use light loads if you must to handle the recoil, heavy loads if you can.  00 buckshot is favored by many, although a good mix of rounds can make the shotgun work very well for everthing from home defense to hunting game, and pest control. 

Something to think about if you get armed be prepared to use it, If you are threated produce a weapon but can't use it will be taken from you and used on you. I like the 12 ga shoot guns pump action they do have a distictive sound. lee loaders are a good bet you can produce any cal. of round cheaply and easly. If you kill someone you have to deal with the dead body their unsafe rotting at the door. High power scopes are basicaly useless at close quarters you can't tell if your aiming at the wall or a shirt. high power round's won't stop at your target they'll clear thru a house or two before they stop. light  high power rounds like the 222 223 243 270 deflect easly off twigs and such but in the clear are very accurate, heavy rounds like the 180 grain 30 cal. this includes 30 06, 308, 303  30 30 and so on pack more punch and remain on target thru twig's. Hand guns are less accurate but easy to use in close. Lever action guns jamb up and you have to cycle thru every shell to empty the gun semi auto's jamb to  and you have to be careful about the chambered round you do not expect. bolt action rifle's are reliable untill your nevous and try and chamber 2 rounds at once. If your comfortable with a gun and using it to kill some one you should arm yourself. if your not comfortable then find a friend who is. and buy them the gun.

I have a total of 75 rounds of 40 S&W hollowpoints. I need to stock up on at least another 250 more rounds. 

Turbo.. I saw 7.62 X 39 in Wallmart yesterday.  Didn't look at price.

I need some 7.62 X 54 for a Mosin Nangant  M 44 I just bought used. Couldn't pass it up Synthetic stock and scoped for $100. Haven't shot it yet.    maybe I''ll ship it to that newyorker. poor fella.

Actually guys and gals. Why don't we all meet up and take over a Super Wallmart when the manure hits the Westinghouse. We don't have to stock up then and we would have everything we need in there. 

Survivor you can run the deli. turbo is in charge of the west door.  I'll take the east one.  Somebody block off the loading docks. We can set up grow  lights for veggies. 

Nice field of fire over the large parking lot.

  Oldasrocks, quite the plan.  Won't have many good tools, but we'd have all the ceiling fans and potting soil we could use... Should have several guns and a lot of ammo and hunting supplies in there, too, unless you've got one of those urban walmart's that don't have firearms...   jg

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If you can, pick up a copy of Shotgun News. It's carried at a lot of the bigger magazine stores, and Walmart too. Great source for shooting related supplies and ammo. Lots of exotic accessories to be found for all the military rifles.

I hadn't checked on 7.62x39 in a while, so didn't realize the market had dried up.  Cheaperthandirt.com still has 500 rounds Wolf ammo $80. Shown as "in stock" as of this email.  Might also check auctionarms.com but those are private seller auctions so buyer beware.

 

As far as SKS vs. AK. You can load the SKS from a 10 round stripper clip faster than you can change a magazine in the AK. You have to load more often, but if your burning thru ammo that fast, your in a serious fire fight.  I don't know that the difference between magazine fed or stripper clip fed is going to tip the balance either way.

 

NOTE for the gun newbies: If your thinking about getting an SKS or AK, make sure you get 7.62x39 ammo.  Very similar ammo is 7.62x54 which was an earlier generation used mainly in vintage bolt action rifles. It will not fit in the SKS or AK. I mention this because it's easy to confuse if you just see an ad for "military surplus 7.62 ammo".  Ammo isn't much good if it won't fit your gun!

 

 

As always... just my opinion.

LC

 

 

oldasrocks-
  I can relate to that vision of a gi-normous deer, when I saw that big whitetail he was looking in my direction, I couldn't see his rack in profile.  I thought, "What's an ELK doing HERE?" until he turned his head.

All these people buying up all these rounds...Nobody ever heard of reloading?

Mikey wrote: I have a total of 75 rounds of 40 S&W hollowpoints. I need to stock up on at least another 250 more rounds.    My main pistol is my USP Compact 40cal but I hope to also pickup a 870 shotgun in the next few months.   I'also I'm new to the forum... so Hello.

The Dragunov's really not an accurate rifle as far as scoped rifles go. The trigger is horrible, the stock's to short, the magazine has to be loaded in acertain way or the cartridges will bind etc. It's a blast to shoot, don't get me wrong, but it's only about 3" @ 100 meters accurate. My M14 can do 1" @ 100 meters with iron sights, and my Rem M700 can do 1" groups out at 400! I keep it as more of an oddity because I like nifty guns.

oldasrocks wrote: 2if is that a salami in your pocket or are you just happy to see survivor?

 

Naw, just my spare socks!

 

 

Survivor wrote: Oh yeah, 2ifbyC gets the tool department...

 

Alriiightee!

On a serious tool/hardware note: Depending on which state you live in and you're a US non-felon citizen you might be able to purchase a silencer by establishing a revokable living trust? Read this: http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/669101014/p/1 .

 

I’m visiting my Class 3 dealer as soon as I finish this post. I’ll be getting one for my AR-15s and another for my .22s. I’ll be filing for a SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) stamp also. Just hope I can get ‘em before TSHTF!

 

The main benefit is that you do not need a CLEO sign off, no finger prints and no photos. Also here in Florida I do not have to register the trust with the state! It's as simple as it gets.

gogo wrote: Turboguy wrote: Hey Loosecanon, if you know of a place to get some 7.62x39 I'm sure we'd all like to know where. For the last appx eight months you can't find it anywhere.   Sportsman's Guide (dot com) has some expensive stuff, but all of the cheap stuff is out of stock.   My oddball Swiss 7.5x55 is suddenly hard to find also.

Try aimsurplus online; that is where I got my 7.5 x 55.

The topic are you packing heat along with preps? The  overwhelming answer Yes! so where does that leave the people who are not armed?  We( the people who are armed) are not the ones who are going to go after you ,in fact the people who are prepared are the ones who may drive the wolf from you unprotected door.

In the LA riots ( the TV news could not believe it) how effective a few neighbors with guns could be. Several areas put up blockades (cars, construction sawhorses) and checked people in to make sure they had buisness in their area. worked like a charm, no looting, no rapes, no property damages. People helping people and NO BLOOD SPILLED. Protecting your self and loved ones is not an impossibitlity.  The bad guys like easy pickings. manned road blocks with armed wives bringing the coffee and donuts worked just fine in the LA riots.. If that does not work  interdiction before the fact may be the only answer.

So people have asked me for advice on weapons. First rule of a gunfight is to  have a gun.
Bruss 01 knows his stuff. Get a shotgun, have a pistol, if you need a rifle (medium range) get and SKS.
He is right I am not sure I would recommend semiauto to people that have not shot before. I have a variety of pistols for my family to shoot and the training time is much shorter with revolvers..Training and saftey is rule one. You are are much better off buying an SKS and taking an urban rifle course than spending 2500.00 on an AR15....


Now to move this thread a little further off topic if money is no object and local laws do not prevent it ( heaven forbid) what would you recommend to people that are not going to be worried about a budget. I guess they knew something about guns and  had some training  or else all the neat weapons  in the world would be a waste.



to be continued.....

Another note on the ammunitionstore         I got my aerial flares there. Military type, good quality.

oldsasrocks,

     I am an old time shooter too. I started with a single shot 22 bolt from Western Auto.
I do think that the modern bolt hunting rifle is one of the most evolved, deadliest weapons ever made. I love the 270...it is  still one of the flattest shooting calibers on the market.  However in the context of people with out alot of training with a  need to discourage unwanted visitors, spraying and praying may become the rule of the day.

I heard and interesting story from the American Rifleman in the Armed Citizen section.
A college student (during the LA riots) was in his upstairs bedroom and saw a pick up load of  people pull up in front of the house where  he lived. some of these people  had bottles in their hands(malotov cocktails). he pick up his friends 357 lever action rifle and shot up the truck untill it was empty, the attackers fled.  I think you are going to see alot of this going on....

As for people here on the forum  the Armed CitIzen section of the American Rifleman magazine is a good chance to see that people  manage to defend themselves with  almost no training. I do not know how many stories I have read in there about elderly ladies grabbing their husbands pistol and defending themselves. As a disclaimer I am not recomending that you do not need training. I think the more instruction and practice you have the better....In an emergency we have a tendency to do what we have trained to do. But it is better to have the one thing you can not buy.....and a gun.

 Self defense does take something  else , that is missing from alot of people nowadays. ˆIt is something that can not be bought from a store.

That thing that is missing is moral outrage.
Moral outrage is  anger over someone trying to make you a victim. It is someone trying to hurt your children, your wife your friends.
It is YOU who ever you are saying enough is enough!
You can hurt my children, you take whatever you want, but  it will not be with out a fight, it will not happen if I am still breathing air!
Sometimes you just have to get Mad dog mean.!
The odds are not what it is about .
It is what you care about that counts.
Self defense is about your will over somebody elses. You need to decide now.....not when it happens.

Fastcard wrote:   Self defense does take something , that is missing from alot of people nowadays. ˆIt is something that can not be bought from a store. That thing that is missing is moral outrage. Moral outrage is  anger over someone trying to make you a victim. It is someone trying to hurt your children, your wife your friends. It is YOU whoever you are saying enough is enough! You can hurt my children, you take whatever you want, but  it will not be with out a fight, it will not happen if I am still breathing air! Sometimes you just have to get Mag dog mean.! the odds are not what it is about .It is what you care about that counts. self defense is about your will over somebody elses. You need to decide now.....not when it happens.

East, Like they say-- No atheists in a foxhole.  We have set up a 200 yard parameter with several layers of defense.  I just ordered some more signs--All Trespassers will be SHOT on sight.--- Just so they are warned. But I figure if they got over the blackberries, past the fence. trip wires, snares, and flares they are here to do harm. therefore fair game.

Unless they have a tracked unit they won't be able to drive in.

Just tell me how to get that tank in front of the American Legion up and running.

Gogo, you and me both.  I never fired a rifle until I was around 27 or so, always a dedicated Bowhunter.  I never realized how ignorant I was until I started shopping for a hunting rifle.  Pray we never need to use them against each other.
BTW, with a telescopic sight, a novice can shoot a 3" group at 200 yards.

Guns are next on my list for preparing. I believe I am just about ready with everything else. I have a Browning Mark II 3006 with scope. I bought it about 3 years ago and have never fired it with about 200 rounds of 150gr black tip. I was looking at the Smith & Wesson, Police & Miliary, 40 cal. I would like to get a good pistol. They are not cheap but they showed them on the outdoor channel and they seam to be a very good pistol, they called it a battle pistol. Has anybody ever fired one. I am ex military and have fired a 45 cal, M16, 7.62, & 50 cal machine guns, and a 105mm Tank main gun, but that was years ago. I have a 9mm that needs repair. The company went out of business and I was told it was junk anyway.

lol...yes its just that  a guesstimate/ observation....a lot of people who poo poo preparidness, secretly jump on the band wagon,and i have personly seen folks who previosly thought preparing (stocking/self protection) was stupid,and alarmist..... and then i saw them a few years back and guess what........attitudes do change they thought ..after 911 that  self defence and stocking up might be wise.... the katrina aftermath solidified that....as always i pray and look forword to throwing out all my ''hurricane'' supplys becouse i never had to use them :)

Bill 100 wrote: I heard guns where taken from people with Katrina that they went with pistols drawn house to house and took them. How did they know they had them or was it just spot checking. I live in Kentucky and they say there is no record of who owns guns.