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    Posted: June 07 2006 at 10:30am
Anyone on here with a medical backround we need you. Someone on the family preps wrote that the drug used for allergies also helped to open the lungs for people to breathe. I tried it and it worked .Since physicians are not prescribing extra meds according to our posts. We need someone to tell us, other possible uses of otc meds. I recall years ago, when benadryl and allergy med was still prescription only, that my physician prescribed it for me as a mild sleep inducer. People will have a hard time sleeping and they may want to get a bit of that. Are their medications otc, that can help with breathing problems, anxiety, or any other malady you can think of. I also know that dramamine for motion sickness induces sleep. I know that you can double ibuprophin meds to get a prescription strength. Lets face it, we need to stock up and prep now. Dr.s are going to be too busy to mess with this stuff if this hits. If there is legal problems, change your SN and post under a different one. But Please Help us.  I know that everyone should check and see what is the under the counter drugs are that are legal in your state, that is something that pharmacies and DR.s dont advertise, in NC and Ill you can condiene cough meds with a signature. Let us know if otc inhalers work, that type of thing. Please medical folks help us out. All the food and water in the world is not going to help if people cant control common condidions because they cant get meds. Are there any meds out there that can lower blood pressure? Send us to websites whatever you can do will be appreciated. Our own docs are blowing this off and we need help.
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Agree about the Ibuprofen, you can take 800 mgs. which would be 4 of the store bought type. But, then then time between does lengthens (6 hrs. I believe). Not a medical person, just know this as info. my Dr. told me. Also my mother was a nurse (passed away now). Trying now to rack my brain now on any info. I may have retained from her and my Dr.'s.
 
No worries, I will not post any info. that could be harmful because I think it is acurate info. I trust others will show the same caution and respect. Smile
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Some of these multiple uses are pretty obvious, others not as much.  The degree of expected benefit will vary from pretty good to nearly non-existent, but these are some uses for common OTC products.  Use at your own risk.
 
aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen: pain, fever, inflammation
acetaminophen (Tylenol): fever, pain
diphenhydramine (Benadryl): allergy, sleep aid, anti-itch, maybe anxiety
meclizine (Bonine): motion sickness, nausea from any source, vertigo
antibiotic ointment (Neosporin, etc; not cream): cuts and scrapes, bacterial conjunctivitis (not advised on package information, but lots of people have used without problem.)
caffeine: "alertness", may help with mild bronchospasm (only if you don't use caffeine on a regular basis)
 
There are probably lots more.
 
Then there are the herbal and "natural" substances, some of which come close to doing what they claim.  In addition, a lot of prescription meds have multiple uses and indications, too many to list.  And there are also obviously a lot of non-medication items that have multiple uses including for medical needs, such as baking soda, vinegar, etc.
 
 
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Ah, yes, that reminds me. I have been plagued with stomach probs/heartburn and have been taking tums constantly. Got fed up. Researched online and discovered that apple cider vinegar (1 tsp. in some water a few times a day) could help. I kid you not, as soon as I drink that (Yuck!) the discomfort goes away. I have heard that it may be due to the stomach not making enough acid or something, instead of the other way around, hence taking tums may have made it worse.. Anyhow, vinegar can be used for a variety of purposes... Just have to do some investigating.
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I doubt it will help with bird flu, but it's worth noting for asthmatics -- COFFEE works well for some people to ease mild bronchiospasm. I'm a moderate to severe asthmatic & I started drinking coffee after I discovered this. I started out pinching my nose when I drank it -- at least until I discovered the wonders of hersheys syrup and a shot of real cream.
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    First off using BOTH, the acetaminophen AND the Ibuprophen is to be used at the same time. High fevers run with the BF. And these two drugs have diffrent properties and can be taken together. I not only have this? But also a Natural root called Osha Root. It has been used by the Native Americans for ever for bronchitis and pneumonia. It has kick ass properties that our scientists are just now beginning to descover. It builds up the white blood cells in the lungs, making them stronger to help fight. What I do is take 1 lb of the root, add it to 1 qt of cold water...let this simmer on stove about one hour. After, strain root water thru cheese cloth ect..into another well cleansed bowl ect. Add to this root water as much Honey as you need for taste. Bottle and cap, refridgerate. When needed take 1 tbs as needed (aprox avery 2 hrs). I'd bump the amount up to 2 tbs if very ill. Very important! Make sure ALL vessels are well cleaned, boiled, or rinsed out with bleach,and water before filling.
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    PS...Osha root can be found relatively cheaply on ebay.
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    sorry me again;P lol Best way to take Osha? Break off a piece of the root and chew it....over time swallowing the mixture of spit and root juice. But! Fair warning...this root is very strong tasting to say the least;P
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Follow these suggestions at your own risk....
 
meclizine (the active ingredient in non drowsy formula of dramamine) sleep aid, it makes you just drowsy enough to fall asleep without the "hungover" feeling of benadryl the next day.
 
The best OTC remedy I would suggest for High Blood Pressure is to LOSE weight!
 
Did I read your post correctly above about using neosporin for "pink eye"?  Not so sure I would try that........unless it was really bad and it was neosporin or nothing.
 
Epsom salts is good for sprains, strains and to help skin abcesses rupture and drain. 
 
When self diagnosing and treating PLEASE use commonsense.  I will just list some examples of what happened to people who did not.
 
A teenage girl who got pregnant heard herb XXXXXXXX would give her an abortion.  She went to a health food store and purchased a bottle of concentrated oil and ingested the whole bottle.  She aborted and then bled to death the amount of the active ingredient in the herb oil was the same as consuming a truckload of the herb.  Hospital staff was unable to keep her from bleeding out.
 
Heat can make the pain from an earache feel better so a couple decided to leave a hair dryer running in the crib all night long next to their baby's ear.  The baby was dead in the morning because it raised the baby's brain temperature to a lethal level.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by ShaRenKa ShaRenKa wrote:

    First off using BOTH, the acetaminophen AND the Ibuprophen is to be used at the same time. High fevers run with the BF. And these two drugs have diffrent properties and can be taken together..
 
I am almost positive that these two drugs should NEVER be taken together. They can be alternated but not to be given at same time.  Of course with bird flu I'd try anything....
 
 Tylenol (acetaminophen) is a dangerouse drug that can cause liver failure. It has a prolonged half life...which means it takes a long time for your body to process the drug. For this reason it builds in your system.  Taking it other than advised on the bottle can lead to overdose and death....More kids die in America each year of Tylenol overdose than have died of birdflu....other over the counter drugs such as cough syrrups sometimes contain acetamiophen and should be used with caution if using with tylenol.
 Remember Toxicity is dose-dependant.
Children have been known to overdose on tylenol and die. This isn't widely publicised because of the hit it would cause the drug companies....DR's and Nurses please back me up here. If I am wrong let me know but I am 99.9% sure that some of what I am saying is correct and 100% sure about the rest.
 
Fever is a way of the body to kill virus...It is a good thing...unless the fever is prolonged or over 101 it should be left to run its course.
 
That being said...here's some tidbits.
 
Frozen corn, peas, or mixed vegies make a great ice pac....they conform to the body part that needs iced....Coffee can help a child who is having an asthma attack depending on the type of asthma....bananas can help lower bl;ood pressure....warm baby oil for an earache...and the antibiotic cream is what they give you for eye infection....I don't know the measurements but pink eye medicine is basically rubbing alcohol and water....saline is salt water...what a rip-off.
 
My favorite home remedy....Whyskey cures a toothache....ok for a short while....rinsing with hot water and hydrogen peroxide...gets the infection out....but whyskey is more fun.
Insanity is making the same mistakes and expecting different results....therefore...Those who don't learn from history are bound to go insane.
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    I totaly agree with using your head! As far as the Osha rt goes though? I'll take that over tamiflu anyday. 2 local docs here told me that they did read ups on the osha root findings and it was unbelievable they said. Something growing benieth our feets. But isn't that just like Mother Nature to not only give us BF...but something as fantastic as Osha root? ;)
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    Linda, this was suggested by a doctor who was speaking on the BF...how to treat the ill at home. I got the read up here... I'll see if I can retrieve it.
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Hello. When my daughter had a fever the doctor told me to alternate the two, ibuprofen & tylonel. He said to use the tylonel every four hours, but if that didn't keep the fever down for the full 4 hours to give the ibuprofen in between. So tylonel...2 hours later ibuprofen...2 hours later tylonel...and so on. But only if necessary to control the fever. BUT I'm not a doctor so you'd need to check with your own doctor.
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    Its a PDF I downloaded....cannot copy it;( But its called...."Preparing for the comming Influenza Pandemic"...by Gratton Woodson, MD,FACP.It can be gotten on the web.
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I have been told many times by a couple of doctors over the years, especially when higher fevers involved, to take tylenol and ibuprofen...one or the other every 2-4 hours. hmmm Hope I didn't get bad information.
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Originally posted by bellabecky bellabecky wrote:

Hello. When my daughter had a fever the doctor told me to alternate the two, ibuprofen & tylonel. He said to use the tylonel every four hours, but if that didn't keep the fever down for the full 4 hours to give the ibuprofen in between. So tylonel...2 hours later ibuprofen...2 hours later tylonel...and so on. But only if necessary to control the fever. BUT I'm not a doctor so you'd need to check with your own doctor.
 
Yes I remembered alternating and added that to my post....The taking of the two medicines together was the part I wasn't sure of...also age and weight would make a difference as far as how much can be taken but note: The Dr. didn't tell you to up the tylenol to every 2 hours....because....your child would have been at risk of overdose.
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Originally posted by ShaRenKa ShaRenKa wrote:

    Linda, this was suggested by a doctor who was speaking on the BF...how to treat the ill at home. I got the read up here... I'll see if I can retrieve it.
 
which part? and did he mention dosage according to weight etc?
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I thought it was alternate tylanol and motrin.
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Originally posted by nadia007 nadia007 wrote:

I have been told many times by a couple of doctors over the years, especially when higher fevers involved, to take tylenol and ibuprofen...one or the other every 2-4 hours. hmmm Hope I didn't get bad information.
 
One or the other...alternating...not at the same time. Please note the taking of these 2 medications together is the part of my post I was talking about when I said not 100 percent sure. 
 
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Yes, you have to alternate every two hours. But you should stop and go back to one, every four hours, as soon as the fever will allow it. I have a dosage chart I got from the doctor. It goes by age and weight. If you tell me what weight/age I'll give the information. By the way, advil is ibuprofen
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