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    Posted: July 07 2013 at 3:45pm
I am reading One Second After and I am asking myself where do people think they are going to go? If you don't have a home that you own in the country where it is totally secured I have no idea where people think they are going to go???

No matter if it is a pandemic, EMP, or whatever you have no chance on the road. If you lived in the country and a bunch of city people came to your door because they have no food and water in the city what do you think the country people will do? Give you their food and water!!

So here you are in the country with no shelter, no food, no water, and no way to keep warm. Better off at home even if you die there at least you are at home!

In the book the Government People are telling the citizens to go to small towns out of the city. Gee who is dumb enough to listen to the Government?

I am sure there will be gangs looking to take whatever they can get from the burbs and the country but unless they are carful they can get shot if they hit the wrong house.

So some one tell me why unless you have no shelter in the city why you would leave your home?
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If I thought it was safe to do so, I'd definitely hole up here in the city because this is where my preps are. If things got really bad though (and I don't think it would take much for things to turn ugly in a big way) I'd bug out in our RV and get away from major population centers. I'd rather not - I have a lot of stuff and being alone out on the road is not where I'd ideally want to be - but it's an option.
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if yer gonna bug out


make sure you do it early


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eym4PwHmUvI


if you panic when the rest of the sheep do

you may not make it out

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If anybody gets enough warning, it's going to be people on sites like this Wink
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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

I am reading One Second After and I am asking myself where do people think they are going to go? If you don't have a home that you own in the country where it is totally secured I have no idea where people think they are going to go???

No matter if it is a pandemic, EMP, or whatever you have no chance on the road. If you lived in the country and a bunch of city people came to your door because they have no food and water in the city what do you think the country people will do? Give you their food and water!!

So here you are in the country with no shelter, no food, no water, and no way to keep warm. Better off at home even if you die there at least you are at home!

In the book the Government People are telling the citizens to go to small towns out of the city. Gee who is dumb enough to listen to the Government?

I am sure there will be gangs looking to take whatever they can get from the burbs and the country but unless they are carful they can get shot if they hit the wrong house.

So some one tell me why unless you have no shelter in the city why you would leave your home?
Do you really think sitting in your house while the security situation deteriorates around you in the city without power or water and a limited amount of food is a good idea? Those who stay will become increasingly desperate as food and water become scarce. Do you think they will want to know why your front door is locked and what you have as they go house to house pillaging and scavenging? What will you do when the house down the block catches fire and spreads house to house as there will be no one to put it out? Lots of reasons to leave, very very few reasons to stay when the cities become unsustainable.
 
 
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

If I thought it was safe to do so, I'd definitely hole up here in the city because this is where my preps are. If things got really bad though (and I don't think it would take much for things to turn ugly in a big way) I'd bug out in our RV and get away from major population centers. I'd rather not - I have a lot of stuff and being alone out on the road is not where I'd ideally want to be - but it's an option.
 
That may be true but you'd rather be alone out in the middle of nowhere if SHTF than be in a city with lots of uninvited guests stopping by whenever I'd wager. Sounds and smells will give you away if your cooking food or running a generator in a populated area and will draw those who do not have those things, and since most homes are non defensible to begin with that then makes security that much harder. 
 
There must be some areas you know that are out of the way with a low population base. Find a dead end dirt/gravel road in BFE with no houses on it and drop a few trees in the road to block it off and keep vehicles out and make camp.
 
 
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That would be plan B if it got really bad, but I'd have to be sure the city was all but lost to looters with no rule of law before I'd abandon ship and leave behind most of what I own. Not saying I wouldn't do it, but it would be my last option and one of the main reason I've put up with my neighbors bitching about my old RV and kept the old girl.
The scene in "Independence Day" when Will Smith is dragging the alien across the desert always comes to mind when I think of bugging out in her
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I live in Colorado and it gets cold here in the winter and you need shelter and warmth. I will defend my home as best I can since I have my food, and water preps here. I live within 5 miles of lots of water so I can and will have water even if I have to walk to it with my wagon. That will be after most people will have left or died. I have a capacity of 6 months so I will stay put for that long.

I have just purchased a sprinkler for my roof so IF we have water pressure that will be used for fire. That is iffy but I have it just in case.

I agree with Jacksdad, I just do not see leaving unless I HAVE to leave like a fire, earthquake (not likely but can happen in Colorado), of if Yellowstone blows forget it Colorado is in big trouble, or some unforeseen problem. That is why I have BOB's for myself and my son who most likely will have to get home from college with his BOB if TSHTF.

If you live far enough south you can survive a winter but not here in Colorado or any of the northern states you have to prep for the winter and hold up. I have purchased equipment to fell my own trees, saw into logs then split. And I do not mean a gas chainsaw I have a two man saw and all the other equipment. I do not want to depend on gas for anything.

An RV is an ok idea but after you can't get gas or propane we would die of the cold and an RV can't hold enough food to stay alive long.

As I watch Mountain Men on the history channel they live on the edge every year and they KNOW what they are doing. All I can say if things get so bad we are all going to have a hard time surviving at home, on the run, or in a survival home.
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I think being flexible in your plans is important as there are far too many unknown variables to take into account to be rigid and locked into any one position or plan when it comes to SHTF plans. Better to be able to react as the situation dictates with several options than be rigid and locked into a plan of action regardless of the situation. 
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In a minor type incident. Shelter in place is the way to go, but you need to understand when the right time to bug out comes. I agree don't go too late. 

If you identify that in the foreseeable future no activity with food supply and or gas delivery. Its time to go. It would only be about a week before people would come knocking and about two before they will kill you for food. You want to be long gone and set up before then. 

I also heard an issue with people being stopped going certain places in a crisis. IE road blocks, so have an alternate route which wont be guarded. IE Fire trail or farmers paddocks etc

Two things you should hoard now is fuel and non perishable food. Actually..Go out and buy Gas now! minimum 200+ litres in 50-80L drums also 3 months food staples for ten men, Rice etc? Try to buy stuff you normally eat. 

Bugging out is difficult when you have towns every where. My advice is to bug out far from major centers. You will need high capacity tanks or drums. Then hide in the back country very well hidden. Water and food will become an issue, so think river and hunting. 

Think of taking like minded friends too. Ones who wont flip out and preference for ones that can hunt. A network will help a lot. You need some friends to cover your back. You will have to store enough food to keep them fed for three months. 

Its the harshed thing to say, but dont take un productive mouths to feed. Tough decisions will have to be made. leaving elderly to fend for them selves. this is part of the reason for leaving early too.


Totally love the idea about felling trees! awesome!

Its like playing chess. Think one move ahead of others and you will be right. 

I haven't told you about one strategy for getting away because i don't want it published. But just think of what other will do and do different!!!

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I forgot to say an important thing. If you are in these remote locations and have set up camp. Have several cache's of food and fuel. Roaming savages may extort you for food at gunpoint. 
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interesting blog post

people bugging out because they foresee the collapse of the economy


Bugging Out of the D.C. Burbs

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-07/guest-post-bugging-out-dc-burbs


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Like I said when you have very cold winters you don't have much of a choice unless you have a bug out place in the mountains. Then you do not have much of a growing season to keep alive for a long term stay. I think you have to go with your gut as to if or when you leave.
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I would like to suggest, if you plan to bug out that you have an in depth plan. Where you are going, how much gas it will take to get there, what kind of shelter you will need, supplies needed, etc.Plan four or five routes to your final destination and drive them so you are familiar with them. Also, if you are not already an avid hunter/fisher/backpacker you may want to consider taking a survival course. There are schools all over the country so take one in the area you plan to bug out to. This will get you familiar with the terrain, native habitat, etc.
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I should think that people were paying attention to what happened in New Orleans during Katrina and the social break down and lack of services and basic emergency services that occurred in that city and use that as a low level example as to what is possible should a major event happen that is wide spread. And I would add that Katrina was a regional event of limited duration.  
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Yep, I wish I had a place to go to but here in Colorado people will be at their mountain homes or their ranch homes on the plains and they will have to defend them also.   I really do not want to try and dump out a family out of their property. A long term disaster will be no fun.
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Flumom  I don't know about in Colorado but here in the PNW there are quite a few small cell tower buildings that are concrete and have a 10 foot fence with razor wire around the top. They are up on high ground and in out of the way places for the most part. I'm sure SHTF that should someone occupy one of those structures nothing would be said because it's SHTF who is going to do anything about it when the cell phones most likely won't be working anyway. Hypothetically speaking a big pair of bolt cutters and a good pry bar would get you in the fence and the structure and don't forget to bring a couple small lengths of stout chain and a couple locks to be able to re-secure it, hypothetically speaking of course. A fenced perimeter and a concrete structure is pretty defensible relatively speaking. A ice fishing stove and a couple lengths of stove pipe ran through a vent and you have wood heat. SHTF you'll need to think outside the box and do what is needed. There are always options.
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If cities emptied out the surrounding rural households would have about 600 houseguests each. This has already been calculated by emergency management. They know it will not work. I live in a very rural setting and I have been told my house will burn. The advice was head to the woods and dig a hole. You can't fight you must hide.
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http://shtfschool.com/


Selco survived the Balkan war


one of the things he emphasized the most was that

individuals are not gonna last long

an individual family is not gonna last long

in order to survive a major collapse

people of like minds will HAVE to band together

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Originally posted by Suzi Suzi wrote:

If cities emptied out the surrounding rural households would have about 600 houseguests each. This has already been calculated by emergency management. They know it will not work. I live in a very rural setting and I have been told my house will burn. The advice was head to the woods and dig a hole. You can't fight you must hide.
 
That may be true of the east coast as it has a high population density, but out west there is a hell of a lot of area that isn't populated and 80% of the US lives within 60 miles of the coast, the majority of which live in cities.
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