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    Posted: May 11 2007 at 8:26am
    Last night my husband and I talk about stashing some items like guns ammo etc. round our property for later retreivial.Any thoughts on how to do it.His main concern is a situation like what happened to gun owners in New Orleans during Katrina.We are law abiding citizens,and the thing we seem to be most concerned with is civil disorder.We do have some non lethal items,however we need to have a few more options in this respect.Thanks in advance.
    
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Schedule 40 PVC, 4", two 4" caps. Weather proof. Stores in lakes, wetlands, mountains, deserts....
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Thank you Annie!!!!You've taken a load off of our minds.Since your so good at this lol,any thoughts about food caches?
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Originally posted by Annie Annie wrote:

Schedule 40 PVC, 4", two 4" caps. Weather proof. Stores in lakes, wetlands, mountains, deserts....


There's a process to this before you just slap your guns and ammo into a pipe and stick it in the ground.

First thing is: Where do you live? Here in Minnesota, and at my place in Missouri, I can dig a hole pretty deep before I have to worry about hitting a water table or bedrock. That's a big consideration for a potential cache, be it firearms or food.

Second: What kind of guns are we talking about here? There's no way that I am going to put my Steyr bolt action with it's attached expensive scope into storage. If we're talking about military surplus rifles, like AK47 family, Mauser, Mosin-Nagant's etc, those can go in there with a pile of ammo, no problem. Further make sure your magazines are totally unloaded before they go in there. Lastly if your cache guns are of the ones I described, you can buy the ammo in sealed tins. Those are perfect for long term storage.

First you're going to want to assemble all the stuff you want to go in there.

1. PVC pipes and endcaps. The ones that Annie is describing work great. Make sure that one of your endcaps is of the non removable type. You're going to want that one to be everything-proof. The other one you'll want one of the ones that you can screw on and off. Take your screw in endcap and drill a hole through the big solid square deal that's appx. 1/4 inch in diameter.

2. Teflon tape: to put on the threads of your screw in endcap. It'll help it be waterproof.

3. Gun bags. You can get these from sportsman's guide for $1.99 apiece. They're plastic and roughly gun shaped. These will keep your cosmoline from ruining the ammo.

4. Parachute cord or strong thin rope. You'll put this through the hole in the endcap so you can pull the pipe out of the ground.

5. Get yourself some Cosmoline:

http://www.amazon.com/Goodson-Cosmoline-Rust-Protectant/dp/B0009RDJ1G
    
This stuff is probably what most of your milsurp guns came in. If they're already packed in cosmoline, just leave them that way and put them in your pipe. If not, it's time to get dirty! Goop your cosmoline onto the metal surfaces of the weapon. You really can't use too much.

6. Those little dessicant packets. They'll get any water vapor out of the atmosphere in your PVC cache.

Okay you've got your guns all cosmo'd up, in their baggies, and got that hole drilled in the endcap, oh and you've got the unremovable endcap glued on to the end of the PVC. What you do is put your guns in the pipeand throw in some of those dessicant baggies, and put some filler in the pipe. Bubblewrap works good, as does newspaper.

Now put in some newspaper or anything you can think of to make a barrier between your guns and where the ammo is going to go. Cosmoline will deactivate the primers of cartridges if it's left in contact for a long period of time. You don't want that.

Now put in your ammo. Did you remember to keep it in the sealed tin? If the tin is too big you should get the largest ziplock bag you can find and put the ammo in there. Make sure you put one dessicant packet in every bag! Water in the atmosphere inside the bag may corrode some of your ammo. Use lots of dessicant to prevent this.

You may want to put in some cleaning supplies in a bag with dessicant too. It'll come in very handy when you need to take those guns out. Include plenty of rags and a sealed can of WD40 in a bag too.

Now seal the pipe. Make sure you use the teflon tape, or whatever you decide on to seal up the screw in endcap. You want this thing TSHTF-proof! If you're cacheing guns you're looking toward a bleak future, you want the guns to be viable when you dig them up.

Now you can either put the pipe in the ground horizontally or vertically. If it's horizontal you run the risk of someone else finding a huge dig spot wherever you put it. Vertically you can just dig your hole with a post hole digger. I prefer the vertical method. For this to work you're going to need a map, GPS coordinates, or a really good memory where it is.

You want to put it in the ground and have approximately one inch of dirt on top of it. (remember that it's vertical.) That rope you put in the endcap is going to be your only real hint that it's there, so bury it too. (it is the waterproof rope right?) The rope is also the way you're going to get it out of the hole too, so make sure you're strong enough to get it up again. I recommend only one or two guns per emergency cache, with 500 rounds of ammo. Too many and your cache is way too heavy! Ammo is especially heavy in larger calibers like 8mm and 7.62x54R.

I may have left out a step or two there, but you should get the gist of it. It's common sense.

Now to get it out of the ground, that's the rub!

What I like to do for this kind of thing is put it near a large tree. It's a landmark, it's not going to be able to grow through your PVC pipe, and you can use the tree to throw your rope over and haul the pipe out of the ground with less effort.

Once it's out you can remove your stuff. Guns coated in cosmoline are rather disgusting, but you can use them if you *REALLY* have to. YOu're just going to get greezy. (I know it's greasy, but GREEZY is so much more descriptive)

Now your rags are going to come in handy. Wipe off as much as you can with a large one. An old Tee shirt works great for this. DO NOT use your WD40 for this unless you absolutely have to. Now you want the rest of the stuff off your gun. Gasoline works the best. Just dump some liberally on your rifle and the cosmoline will come off like butter off a hot skillet! Wipe the rifle down with another clean rag and let dry. You're never going to get all the cosmoline off the rifle. After a while you can just give up. I brought back a real Russian Dragunov rifle from Iraq and I still find a little cosmoline that was never cleaned off by the guy I took it off of. Usually it comes out when I shoot the rifle and it heats up. I just wipe it off.

Now give your rifle a good cleaning with the cleaning kit your put in the cache. Here's where your WD40 will get used. It'll help you get even more cosmoline out of the gun. For the bore I recommend the "Boresnake" they're by far the best, and they're not going to mar the rifling or the crown. The crown is the most important part of the rifle, so be very careful. (The crown is the very end of the barrel) A screwed up crown can make the difference between an accurate gun and one that you can't even move the sight enough to compensate.

That's all!

Oh, Links:

Boresnake: http://www.copquest.com/64-1500.htm (but you can get them anywhere guns are sold. No gun is complete without a boresnake. You can get them at Wal-Mart, literally ANYWHERE guns are sold.)

I'll add more as I think of it...
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Originally posted by Anon54 Anon54 wrote:

Thank you Annie!!!!You've taken a load off of our minds.Since you're so good at this lol, any thoughts about food caches?
hehehe, not sure if that was scarcastic, but you can read a real answer from Turboguy who really does know his stuff.

I took action packers (plastic box with lids found at wal-mart and filled with two weeks of food and supplies. Also the large pop corn tins are fabulous for sugars, salts, canned foods, etc. We live in the country and most folks have a junk pile. The tins blend well under scrap tin roofing and in the trucks of junk cars. Be sure to freeze all dry goods over three days and treat with bay leaves and salt. (the poor mans storage) Read the AFT storage site for better storage suggestions.
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if you live where the ground freezes. using the vertical burial method. place main tube inside larger tube. that way can chop through the few inches of ground, smash open top of outer tube, reach in grab nylon strap and go.
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    At my apartment building I don't have much of an opportunity to bury things, I'd probably get into trouble even.

Footlockers you can get the metal ones for about 15 bucks. I bet it would hold 30-40 meals in terms of cans. Make sure you disable the lock cuz if you lose the keys you'll have to cut into it to open it again.
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Hi,

First you should have licencse to keep gun with you. Then you have permit to shoot it. to know more on this you can contact


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A law enforcement friend of mine said quite a few people were using Seal-A-Meals to bury guns and ammunition.  The police are helping people cache firearms etc. around here.
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