Click to Translate to English Click to Translate to French  Click to Translate to Spanish  Click to Translate to German  Click to Translate to Italian  Click to Translate to Japanese  Click to Translate to Chinese Simplified  Click to Translate to Korean  Click to Translate to Arabic  Click to Translate to Russian  Click to Translate to Portuguese


Forum Home Forum Home > General Discussion > General Discussion > Off Topic Discussion
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Can hurricanes destroy the US ?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Online Discussion: Tracking new emerging diseases and the next pandemic.

Can hurricanes destroy the US ?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 5>
Author
Message
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Can hurricanes destroy the US ?
    Posted: September 02 2017 at 1:08am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KedPdSH636E Some models predicting hurricane Irma hitting New York september 11 as a category 5. http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1169-computer-model-shows-irma-destroying-new-york-city-nj-on-sept-10

Harvey did serious damage to Texas http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-01/arkema-texas-plant-explodes-causing-massive-fire-black-smoke-fills-air. US oil/petrol production is seriously effected (-16% production for the US ?) Long term damage will put-for the moment-Harvey on top of the list of most damaging disasters. https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/top-5-most-expensive-natural-d/47459. (DJ; it is impossible to put a precise price-ticket on a disaster. The 2011 Japan earthquake/tsunami caused Fukushima. That disaster is still ongoing. Harvey is already estimated to be a 190 billion disaster. When you include cleaning up chemical damage, desinvestments etc. the costs will further increase.)

The US economy is already very much debt-based. The US is fighting several wars around the globe trying to stay "the only (military) superpower". Economicaly the world is already multi-polar. 

The US is political divided, has been neglecting its infra-structure for decades. Fracking did increase earthquake risks. 

On that bases;

-hurricanes can destroy critical infrastructure ((rail)roads, shipping, electricity etc.)
-the capacity to deal with several hurricanes doing damage over a 100 billion dollar is not there. 

Does that mean "the end of the US" ? No ! Foreign nations will come to the rescue ! But all things have their price. Hurricanes could end the US as "the only superpower". 

More than 50% of the world-population live in (Eur)Asia. China-Russia-Iran-Pakistan (CRIP) are very much involved in a "New Silk Road" wich puts China in the global centre in stead of the US. 

On the longer term climate change may make this planet uninhabitable for live. That problem needs to be solved with very much urgency !
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2017 at 1:33am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfHKbGAL_sE BP Earthwatch following the hurricanes in the Atlantic 


Although it is not possible to forcast weather that much in the future sea-surface-temperature (SST) is high giving potential for strong hurricanes. It is possible to make models. Those models will effect human actions. 

It will effect stock-exchange to tourism. Plans to invest in regions to investments in "fossil fuels". 

Can the US start a major conflict in Korea while there are these kind of disasters unfolding in the US ? 

Climate reanalyzer (University of Maine): http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.WS10 (green=180 km/h+ winds !!!)

A reminder: a cubic metre of water=1000 kilograms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_wave the amount of damage waves can bring depend on a lot of factors. 

(Worst case scenario could be waves bulldozing the US east coast. Waves over 50 feet moving tons of water at high speed will destroy everything in its path. ) 
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2017 at 2:44am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes 

You would expect a sharp increase of cat.5 hurricanes due to climate change. But cat.5 still is uncommon. 

Category 5[edit]

Category 5
Sustained windsExample
≥ 70 m/s
≥ 137 kn
≥ 252 km/h
≥ 157 mph
Felix from ISS 03 sept 2007 1138Z.jpg
Felix near peak intensity

Catastrophic damage will occur

Category 5 is the highest category of the Saffir–Simpson scale. These storms cause complete roof failure on many residences and industrial buildings, and some complete building failures with small utility buildings blown over or away. Collapse of many wide-span roofs and walls, especially those with no interior supports, is common. Very heavy and irreparable damage to many wood frame structures and total destruction to mobile/manufactured homes is prevalent. Only a few types of structures are capable of surviving intact, and only if located at least 3 to 5 miles (5 to 8 km) inland. They include office, condominium and apartment buildings and hotels that are of solid concrete or steel frame construction, public multi-story concrete parking garages, and residences that are made of either reinforced brick or concrete/cement block and have hipped roofs with slopes of no less than 35 degrees from horizontal and no overhangs of any kind, and if the windows are either made of hurricane-resistant safety glass or covered with shutters. Unless all of these requirements are met, the absolute destruction of a structure is certain.[5]

The storm's flooding causes major damage to the lower floors of all structures near the shoreline, and many coastal structures can be completely flattened or washed away by the storm surge. Virtually all trees are uprooted or snapped and some may be debarked, isolating most communities impacted. Massive evacuation of residential areas may be required if the hurricane threatens populated areas. Total and extremely long-lived power outages and water losses are to be expected, possibly for up to several months.[5]

Historical examples of storms that made landfall at Category 5 status include: "Cuba" (1924), "Okeechobee" (1928), "Bahamas" (1932), "Cuba–Brownsville" (1933), "Labor Day" (1935), Janet (1955), Camille(1969), Edith (1971), Anita (1977), David (1979), Gilbert (1988), Andrew (1992), Dean (2007), and Felix (2007). No Category 5 hurricane is known to have made landfall as such in the eastern Pacific basin.

Should a "Category 6" be introduced?[edit]

After the series of powerful storm systems of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, a few newspaper columnists and scientists brought up the suggestion of introducing Category 6, and they have suggested pegging Category 6 to storms with winds greater than 174 or 180 mph (78 or 80 m/s; 151 or 156 kn; 280 or 290 km/h).[7][15] Only a few storms of this intensity have been recorded. Of the 31 hurricanes currently considered to have attained Category 5 status in the Atlantic, only 16 had wind speeds at 175 mph (78 m/s; 152 kn; 282 km/h) or greater and only 6 had wind speeds at 180 mph (80 m/s; 160 kn; 290 km/h) or greater. Of the 15 hurricanes currently considered to have attained Category 5 status in the eastern Pacific, only five had wind speeds at 175 mph (78 m/s; 152 kn; 282 km/h) or greater (PatsyJohnLindaRick and Patricia), and only three had wind speeds at 180 mph (80 m/s; 160 kn; 290 km/h) or greater (Linda, Rick and Patricia). However, most storms which would be eligible for this category were typhoons in the western Pacific, most notably Typhoon Tip in 1979 with sustained winds of 190 mph (310 km/h) and typhoons Haiyan and Meranti in 2013 and 2016, respectively, with sustained winds of 195 mph (314 km/h).[16]

According to Robert Simpson, there are no reasons for a Category 6 on the Saffir–Simpson Scale because it is designed to measure the potential damage of a hurricane to man-made structures. Simpson stated that "...when you get up into winds in excess of 155 mph (249 km/h) you have enough damage if that extreme wind sustains itself for as much as six seconds on a building it's going to cause rupturing damages that are serious no matter how well it's engineered

Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2017 at 2:50am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City

The economy of New York City encompasses the largest municipal as well as regional economy in the United States. Anchored by Wall Street, in Lower Manhattan, New York City has been characterized as the world's premier financial center,[1][2][3][4] and is home to the New York Stock Exchange and NASDAQ, the world's largest stock exchanges by market capitalization and trading activity. In 2012, the New York City Metropolitan Statistical Areagenerated a gross metropolitan product (GMP) of over US$1.33 trillion, while the Combined Statistical Area[5] produced a GMP of over US$1.55 trillion, both ranking first nationally by a wide margin and being roughly equivalent to the GDP of South Korea. [6] The city's economy accounts for the majority of the economic activity in the states of New York and New Jersey.[7]

Manhattan is the leading center of banking, finance, and communication in the United States and is the location of the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) on Wall Street. Many of the world's largest corporations locate their home offices in Manhattan. Manhattan contained over 500 million square feet (46.5 million m2) of office space in 2015,[8] making it the largest office market in the United States,[9] while Midtown Manhattan, with nearly 400 million square feet (37.2 million m2) in 2015,[8] is the largest central business district in the world.[10] New York City is distinctive for its high concentrations of advanced service sector firms in fields such as law, accountancy, banking and management consultancy, and is the top global center for the advertising industry, which is metonymously referred to as "Madison Avenue"; while Silicon Alley, metonymous for New York's broad-spectrum high technology sphere, continues to expand.

The financial, high technologyreal estate, insurance, and health care industries form the basis of New York's economy. The city is also the most important center for mass media, journalism and publishing in the United States, and is the preeminent arts center in the country. Creative industries such as digital media, advertising, fashion, design and architecture account for a growing share of employment, with New York City possessing a strong competitive advantage in these industries.[11] Manufacturing, although declining, remains consequential.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_New_York_and_New_Jersey


DJ; this area may be facing a "category 7" hurricane !http://hypotheticalhurricanes.wikia.com/wiki/Category_7


http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1147-major-fuel-pipeline-supplying-new-jersey-new-york-city-new-england-shut-down

Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2017 at 10:34pm
Idaho "volcanic quakes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St3lOLk7kqc (still going on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JBbqvXuCT4 Irma expected to produce waves +50 feet/15 meter near Peurto Rico. Landfall near DC ? 

DJ: A reason to think of more scales for hurricanes than 5 is that proberbly a "5" would not flatten New York but a "7" could do that much damage. Lets hope "Irma" moves more to the east and stays on the Atlantic. A category "7" hurricane can do that much damage-when it would hit New York it could cause a global economic crisis. 

That would make giving aid to the people in India-Nepal-BanglaDesh almost impossible. You need "producers", ports, logistics to produce and get aid from point A to B. 

Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
CRS, DrPH View Drop Down
Expert Level Adviser
Expert Level Adviser


Joined: January 20 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 13850
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CRS, DrPH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2017 at 6:49pm
Thanks, Dutch Josh!  Great research as usual!  

In Al Gore's "Climate Reality Leadership Corps" training (I am a Mentor in his organization), Mr. Gore shows some of the old footage from "An Inconvenient Truth" movie with animation of the 9/11 Ground Zero memorial being flooded by a hurricane. 

Skeptics scoffed at this, but it did happen with the big Super Storm Sandy!  

I know Al is a controversial figure, but he seems to be making the correct assessment of where the US and planet are heading.  I never could stand the guy but came around to appreciating his viewpoint and dedication.  


CRS, DrPH
Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 38526
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2017 at 7:34pm
I hate to say it, but I honestly think we're screwed. As more and more evidence begins to emerge suggesting CO2 may have been replaced by methane and water vapor as the main driver of climate chance, it seems as though we've unleashed a positive feedback nightmare that we can't possibly fix. With vast reserves of trapped methane in the permafrost,  and methane hydrate deposits on the ocean floor waiting to be liberated by warming temperatures, we haven't seen anything yet.


"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2017 at 11:49pm
The US East-coast should be preparing for Irma now !

-What parts of the land may get flooded. What needs protection. Water flows to the lowest points-so all in the east-coast area should do their best to get the extreme amounts of water were it does the less damage !

-Evacuation may go for low lying areas-involving millions of people. When you have to evacuate that much people you need days to do so. 

-Chemical plants, industries may be requierd to stop activities, transport goods to safe areas. There should be a minimum of leakages, fires etc. when there are days before the hurricane strikes land. 

-There is good info on you-tube. Be realistic about the dangers. Sensationalism is not helping but a cat 4 or 5 hurricane in low lying areaś is a very serious risk ! Good info saves lives !

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-03/latest-projections-show-hurricane-irma-headed-southeast-florida DJ; Irma still could go into the Gulf-region-hit Texas or Mexico, in some scenarioś it could move north become a risk for Canada (or even Greenland !) But for the moment the US east coast most likely will be hit by a cat 3+ hurricane around sept 10 to 12.
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2017 at 11:43am
Follow Irma-models; looks like it may move over Cuba then move north over Florida-following coastline.



http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 there are two other storms developing. 

Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2017 at 8:55pm
BP EarthWatch comes with some models in wich "Irma" moves or west of Florida into the US or bounces after Florida into the Atlantic to touch the US near North Carolina...and a week later a second hurricane...




Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2017 at 5:12am
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2017 at 7:26am
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Satori View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group
Avatar

Joined: June 03 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 20250
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Satori Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2017 at 8:16pm
climate change is/will be the greatest threat ever faced by the human species

A two-decade crusade by conservative charities fueled Trump’s exit from Paris climate accord

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/a-two-decade-crusade-by-conservative.html

(The Washington Post) – Myron Ebell stood in bright sunlight as President Trump stepped into the Rose Garden and spoke.

“In order to fulfill my solemn duty to protect America and its citizens,” Trump said to rowdy applause, “the United States will withdraw from the Paris climate accord.”

Ebell was hot, sunburned and very pleased. He was witnessing history that he had helped make.

For nearly two decades, Ebell has led the Cooler Heads Coalition, an umbrella group of tax-exempt public charities and other nonprofit organizations in the vanguard of efforts to cast doubt on the gravity of climate change and thwart government efforts to address it.

Coalition members have called climate science a hoax and denounced environmentalists as “global-warming alarmists.” They have written letters, blasted out emails, pressured lawmakers, sponsored seminars, appeared on television and made a documentary movie.

It was all part of a wave that crested with Trump’s rejection on June 1 of the Paris agreement, a landmark accord by nearly 200 countries in 2015 to limit greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming.

“He made the decision. We helped create the circumstances,” Ebell told The Washington Post. “When you are persistent, good things can happen.”

The story behind the coalition illuminates the influential, little-known role that tax-exempt public charities play in modern campaigns to sway lawmakers and shape policy in the nation’s capital, while claiming to be nonpartisan educational organizations.

It also offers insight into the forces behind a Trump decision that infuriated scientists and environmentalists, mystified U.S. allies and went against the advice of some major corporations. […]

After long questioning global warming, Ebell now acknowledges that “climate change is occurring and human beings have a role in it.” But he said global warming still is not a crisis. He frames climate change as an ideological issue, saying that giving the government more authority to address it would stimulate a “regulatory onslaught,” damage the U.S. economy, and subvert human freedom.

Ebell, who is not a scientist, said he and his colleagues respect the scientific process. But he said he thinks many climate researchers endorse prevailing views on global warming only to cash in on government grants.

“They are all in lock-step,” he said. “It has all the appearance of being a scam.”

Climate scientists said there is no doubt about the reality of climate change and its consequences, including melting polar ice caps, rising sea levels and the intensification of storms. Benjamin Santer, a scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who received a MacArthur Foundation “genius” award for groundbreaking climate research, told The Post that Ebell and his Cooler Heads colleagues are attempting to turn back the clock on knowledge and science.

“He is not a climate scientist. He will never be a climate scientist. Mr. Ebell seems to believe that it’s possible to magically assimilate scientific understanding from thin air,” said Santer, speaking for himself"

and we have an INCOMPETENT IDIOT as head of state

who was it who said "we DESERVE all the BAD government we get " ???

"

“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2017 at 9:22pm
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2017 at 11:20pm
DJ; some remarks:

-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM6DFx2dmXs MrMBB333 models can get it wrong. That makes it difficult to anticipate. You could be evacuating the wrong areas. But above ground powerlines mean risk of losing power for a longer period. Low ying areas can expect flooding. 

-Paul Beckwith had a good point. "Normal" a hurricane would mix cold ocean water with the top hot water. Now the ocean is that warm it is only mixing hot water-feeding further hurricanes. (DJ; since the warm water is more north hurricanes move up north-that is why the US is getting more hurricanes !)

-BPEarthWatch; Katia was expected to move into Mexico with Irma moving west of Florida. Now the latest models put Irma east of Florida giving Katia more room to develop and maybe even to reach the US gulf coast as a cat.2 hurricane. Irma will put strong waves into the gulf and may follow the Atlantic coast. Remaining very strong and pushing a lot of water on the coast. 

-Places that once did provide safety against hurricanes may not be able to do that any longer. Looking at the Caribean very strong structures (even grassroots) were moved by the storm. Evacuation may be the only way to survive !



DJ-Yes hurricanes can destroy the US when ten Harvey like hurricanes hit the US each year the coming 10 years and only worse after that. People do not want to live in much of the US with that kind of risks. 

Strong hurricanes also mean stronger storms for western Europe. 
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 8:59am
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
Satori View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group
Avatar

Joined: June 03 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 20250
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Satori Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 9:18am
Irma going to take a strong turn westward after hitting Florida,according to  NOAA
Georgia and South Carolina to get hit hard

“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 24977
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 12:05pm
Satori, you mean northward ? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/southeastern-us-better-wake-fema-chief-warns-irma-will-be-truly-devastating-storm 



Hurrricanes are known for surprises....the number of storms on their way this month could be shocking-and a lot of them will follow a more north-route due to warmer ocean water.

As I mentioned earlier-we in western Europe are NOT safe. We may face stronger storms soon !

BPEarthWatch latest update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OvAhiDRys 
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
Back to Top
carbon20 View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group


Joined: April 08 2006
Location: West Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 15031
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote carbon20 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 4:57pm
Burning on the West coast,drowning on the East Coast,massive floods in Asia,Swiss mountains ,falling apart, methane gas leaking from the Ocean floor,permafrost that's not so perma!!!!,

Climate change is all a figment of the imagination,and FAKE NEWS...

Very very sad for the Human race



12 monkeys!!!!!
Back to Top
Satori View Drop Down
Senior Advisor Group
Senior Advisor Group
Avatar

Joined: June 03 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 20250
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Satori Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2017 at 5:34pm

Hurricane scientists have never seen an image like this before


https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/hurricane-scientists-have-never-seen-an-image-like-this-before/ar-AArtxSw?li=BBnb7Kz

“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 5>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down