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    Posted: December 20 2017 at 7:31am
It as bad enough when I tracked the network of secret labs across the United States that had poor quality control and several had incidents where viruses escaped the lab that could destroy America.

Now we are on the verge of a biologic war with a terrorist threat which we have neither the medical system, the resolve, or the ability to stop if it goes wrong. We have dozens of unstable nation states including North Korea waiting for us to develop the ultimate virus which they can steal and use on the rest of the world - and they will.

It is an irresponsible step in our history and I will state this without reserve and with great conviction - if we develop a super strain - it will get out and our country will then fall having no defense against our enemies.

Happy New Year America. CDC what are you thinking?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/health/nih-deadly-viruses-bn/index.html

The pause came after several incidents involving the mishandling of potentially dangerous pathogens at government laboratories.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention accidentally exposed dozens of workers to anthrax in 2014, and a subsequent investigation detailed other instances in which lab workers did not follow protocol. Around that time, vials of the deadly smallpox virus were found in a cardboard box in an unsecured refrigerator at the National Institutes of Health's campus in Bethesda, Maryland.
In Tuesday's announcement, the institutes said that approved research would take place only if the researcher and institution where the research is being conducted demonstrate the "capacity and commitment to conduct it safely and securely, and have the ability to respond rapidly" should things go wrong.

There are multiple examples through the last few days when bad viruses escaped labs - especially in the case of SARS and now MRSA.

It also said that the research must be "ethically justifiable" and that any pathogen created, transferred or used in the research "must be reasonably judged to be a credible source of a potential future human pandemic."
Dr. Tom Frieden, who was the director of the CDC from 2009 to 2017, applauded Tuesday's decision, saying such studies "help scientists better understand how dangerous organisms work, with the ultimate goal of learning how to stop them."

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/18/zika-cdc-frieden/


The American response to the 2009 Pandemic was terrible. Huge amounts of disinformation and all lying about how many were sick and how many were dying was not even hinted at until a year after it happened.  It surged through New York - I covered this in posts here - and more than 500,000 people were infected in New York were infected while CDC put out numbers like 50-60 thousand.

I kicked off of sites for posting this numbers and I still remember what happened.  Never before in the history of the world have we had the genetic technology to make such lethal viruses which could wipe out 60-80% of the human population with no vaccine and fall into the hands of rogue nations and especially Kim Jong-un who is actively trying not only to use computer viruses - but researching Anthrax - Smallpox - and buying bio weapons from places such as Pakistan.

So, we decide to beat nature to developing the worst strains through genetic engineering.

I mention The Stand - because that was the visionary novel written by Stephen King about the escape of a virus that wipes out America from a U.S. lab.

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"Not if but when" - we are not safe anymore if our scientists continue to create strains far worse than anything nature dreamed of in insecure labs.






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Reality - what we don't know about incidents of irresponsibility in labs across the U.S.

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This is fairly recent - within the last few years - it only takes a few of these vials either stolen or used by terrorists to destroy America -

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I've been in touch with Dr. Lipsitch, and am a signatory to the Cambridge Charter which objected to this research.  

But the decision to lift the moratorium did not sit well with scientists who have long warned of the risks of such research — and questioned its benefits. “A human is better at spreading viruses than an aerosol” that might breach a lab’s physical containment, said epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch of Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, who has calculated that the risk of a lab-acquired infection sparking a pandemic is greater than recognized. 

“The engineering is not what I’m worried about. Accident after accident has been the result of human mistakes.” 

He nevertheless called the new policy “a small step forward” because it sets up a formal process for evaluating whether the controversial experiments should receive federal funding. But because geneticallymodified viruses “risk creating an accidental pandemic” and “have done almost nothing to improve our preparedness for pandemic,” he said, “my view is that a review of the sort proposed should disallow such experiments.”
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