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    Posted: February 08 2009 at 5:11pm
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February 5, distance Huang Yan-qing, 19-year-old girl had been infected with highly pathogenic avian influenza (H5N1) have died over the past month. Huang Yan-qing, a former renter in Chaoyang District, Beijing East Village Township 3 north-west corner of the room a cottage, now look through the window into the house has been empty, there is no trace of life.
 

 
 
A neighbor near the flexor surname is Huang Yan-qing, a former landlord.
He told our reporter, Huang Yan-qing's father apologized gold, as well as mother and brother before the Spring Festival has been back home in Putian, Fujian, together with rental Huang Yan-qing uncle and relatives of the same village have returned, and do not know fifteenth day after the Council will not come back.
 
 
 
 
"There were such a thing, gold apologized the whole a lot of people are languishing. Make him 10 years of particleboard business may not do a mood." Whitty said.
Huang Yan-qing on December 24 last year, incidence, January 4 this year was diagnosed with human bird flu patients, died the next day early morning. The incidence of death from a total of 11 days. This is the second in Beijing so far confirmed cases of human bird flu cases across the country who died of bird flu the first 21 cases.
 
 
 
 
Throughout January, the Shanxi, Shandong, Hunan, Xinjiang, Guizhou and Guangxi have confirmed a total of seven cases of human infection with highly pathogenic avian influenza cases. According to the Ministry of Health announced the news, as of February 5, Shanxi case of human bird flu patients have recovered and been discharged, Guizhou case of patients out of danger period, two cases of Hunan in the treatment process of patients, and Shandong, Xinjiang and Guangxi, the three cases of human avian patients died of influenza.
 
 
 
February 2 according to the World Health Organization (WHO) report on global human bird flu, China since 2003 a total of 38 cases of human avian influenza cases, 25 cases of death. That is, only 13 were spared, the mortality rate close to 70%. In a total of 254 cases of human avian influenza global deaths rankings in January as a result of the new cases, China has more than 23 cases in Egypt and the third largest, after Indonesia's 115 cases, 52 cases in Vietnam.
 
 
 
 
"China's current human avian flu epidemic in a highly distributed, and there is no evidence to suggest that China will be the possibility of large-scale outbreak." China Center for Disease Control and Prevention Disease Control and Prevention deputy director, director of the Center for National Influenza舒跃龙researcher earlier when the public said, "However, recent human avian influenza cases who warned us of avian influenza prevention and control situation is still grim, and strengthen the monitoring of bird flu can not be ignored."
The most cruel season
 
 
 
 
February 5, located in Beijing's Tongzhou District, Beijing Chest Hospital busy as usual, attendees stream. Huang Yan-qing here 19 years and the last leg of life. Her youth in December 21, 2008 on the eve of the Lunar winter day took a new turn.
According to gold later apologized for the media narrative, December 19, in accordance with the custom hometown winter tonic, gold apologized relatives commissioned from Sanhe City, Hebei Yanjiao used to buy two ducks, the ducks are FURminator deShedding Ripper.
 
 
 
 
Gold apologized in the process of cleaning up the ducks to leave to answer a telephone, Huang Yan-qing daughter to help take the initiative to come out fine duck body.
"Because the virus in the continued spread of avian, human contact with poultry in particular, is suffering from bird flu infected dead birds, as well as the health of the birds may be infected with avian influenza virus."舒跃龙January 22 CDC Web site in China online interview said, "of human infection with bird flu risk factors include: contact with dead birds or the health of infected poultry, consumption of raw or without further processing of poultry food; enter the live market, as well as people in close contact with the secretion in patients with avian flu objects, such as excreta. "
 
 
 
 
He said that four cases of the recent cases have two cases of patients have a history of exposure to live birds, one dead bird cases have a history of exposure, there are cases one factor may be exposed is under investigation.
Huang Yan-qing on December 24 began to appear cold and fever. Apologized to her daughter in the Gold taking cold medicine in general the day after, the situation improved.
 
 
 
 
But on the 26th began, yellow body temperature rises rapidly. Gold apology will be followed by her daughter rushed to the entrance to the village-level management of a hospital Zhuang, two days after the transfer to secondary-level hospital of Tongzhou
In December 29 after the temperature reached 40.5 degrees, Huang Yan-qing in January 30 were sent to the three-level Beijing Chest Hospital, January 4 was diagnosed in patients with human bird flu. The early morning of January 5, she died in the hospital.
The aforementioned gold apologized neighbor said the flexor surname, gold hospital apologized consider delaying his daughter's treatment, because the first 5 days admitted to hospital suffering from confirmed human avian influenza daughter.
 
 
 
 
 
After a lapse of one month after the February 5, Beijing Chest Hospital宣教处Director Wang told this reporter that the hospital has to treat Huang Yan-qing then all materials, including rescue photos, intensive care and body treatment and so on, turned over Beijing Municipal Health Bureau and the Beijing CDC. Her personal opinion, the media may be adversely affected on the hospital treatment of patients with family members is the "one side of the story."
 
 
 
 
 
Li, a hospital spokesman told this newspaper that the specific matters can be advisory, Beijing Health Bureau, the hospital did not receive the permit can be made public related materials.
 
 
 
HUANG Yan-qing, as well as other patients, the winter season become one of the most cruel. ...explained that the people of our country's bird flu analysis results showed that 78.7 percent of the cases concentrated in the onset of winter and spring. So now when the human avian influenza cases in China's high rate.
 
 
 
 
"Spring is a period of high incidence of avian flu has already reached the point of view." Beijing Municipal Government health emergencies and major infectious disease expert Committee, Capital University of Medical Sciences, Professor崔小波February 5, told this reporter said, "H5N1 virus in active at this time and more tolerance to cold, caused more deaths, which is outside the country is more or less the same. "(Source: 21st Century Business Herald)
 
 
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According to Hong Kong, "Wen Wei Po" reported that the Hong Kong Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department spokesman said on the 4th, following last week's preliminary testing, the Department of Sha Lo Wan on Lantau seized three bodies of a number of ducks and geese tested and proven on the H5N1 virus tested positive.
AFCD staff on the 29th last month in Sha Lo Wan beach soccer field next to the seizure of two bodies of ducks and geese, and then on the 31st of last month seized another body of a duck. In addition, the unit has been completed in the North Lantau inspections did not find some free-range poultry.

In addition, the Department staff on the 4th of Tai O on Lantau Island Yeung Hau Temple the other side of the area seized two chicken carcasses, preliminary arrangements are being made to H5 avian influenza virus testing. AFCD will continue to closely monitor the situation, tracing possible sources of poultry body.

In addition, the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department in Hong Kong on the 4th inspected 321 villages, and found in Kam Tin Cheung Po 7 unattended live poultry, including five live chickens and two ducks. In swabs taken after the birds had been destroyed.
 
 
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Source: Flush HKIMR

Winter and spring for the high incidence of bird flu season

Winter and spring is a high incidence of avian influenza periods, together with the Spring Festival approaching, the frequent movement of livestock and poultry products, trading volume is very large, the bird flu outbreak and spread the risk of further increases. Chinese Center for Disease Control researcher, said Mr. Wang Jian, human avian influenza prevention through a number of ways, such as the spread of infectious diseases constitute a source of infection must have, has spread, there are susceptible. Three elements, the cut off to any one of all can be prevented. It is understood that China's agricultural sector has been in Shanxi, Shandong, Hunan, a poultry outbreak investigation and epidemiological investigation did not find the current outbreak of bird flu. In view of the current situation, the Ministry of Agriculture in 2009 developed a highly pathogenic avian influenza and other major animal disease immunization program, will strengthen surveillance, speed up vaccine production to do a good job and so on immunization.

Table 2:2008 domestic bird flu since Memorabilia


Source: Flush HKIMR


Effective in preventing bird flu human vaccine is still in the R & D

Animal avian influenza vaccine can be effective in preventing the spread of avian influenza illness, with a bird flu vaccine are still under research and development. Different subtypes of avian influenza viruses infect humans can give rise to different clinical symptoms. H9N2 subtype infection in the patients are usually only minor upper respiratory tract infection symptoms, some patients do not even have any symptoms; infected with H7N7 subtype is mainly expressed in the patients with conjunctivitis; critically ill patients in general are the H5N1 subtype virus.

For the treatment of human avian influenza, the Ministry of Health early in 2005 issued a "human bird flu treatment programs" (referred to as programs). "Program" that the disease can be tested within 48 hours of anti-influenza virus drugs, anti-virus treatment, the main drug has neuraminidase inhibitors oseltamivir (Oseltamivir, Tamiflu) and the M2 ion channel blockers Adamantane amine (Amantadine) and rimantadine (Rimantadine). Tamiflu for the new anti-influenza virus drugs, experimental research shows that the avian influenza virus H5N1 and H9N2 have disincentive to amantadine and rimantadine inhibit strains of avian influenza virus replication, early application can prevent the progression of the disease reduce the condition to improve the prognosis In addition to using Western medicine for symptomatic treatment, antiviral treatment, can also be used for treatment with Chinese medicine, oral Chinese medicines or injections can be used in conjunction with the decoction of Chinese medicine.

Table 3: Ministry of Health announced in part can be used in the dialectical treatment of human avian influenza of proprietary Chinese medicines

 

 

 

 

Source: "human bird flu clinic program (2005 edition revised edition)", Flush HKIMR

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 Chinese Govt working... to ensure that the people have a safe and healthy New Year.
 
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Chenzhou City emergency response before the spring of the winter bird flu prevention and control (Figure)
 
 
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Staff in the hospital for acute infectious disease prevention and control in winter and spring Steering

Us (Reporter correspondent Li Li胡丽君) Not long ago, domestic, emerging human infection with two cases of highly pathogenic avian influenza spread to our province of disease prevention and control work. January 22, the city's hygiene supervision of the health system to send teams to supervise operations of urban counties, the fastest access to comprehensive prevention and control of communicable diseases in winter and spring state of emergency, the fastest speed in the bird flu prevention and control measures put in place, to ensure that the people have a safe and healthy New Year.

January 21, the city health system in winter and spring to convene an acute infectious disease prevention and control work in an emergency meeting, analysis of human infection with highly pathogenic avian influenza epidemic, prevention and control measures arrangements.
 
 
At a time when winter-spring period of high incidence of acute infectious disease, but also coincides with the Spring Festival. The masses in close contact with poultry infected with highly pathogenic avian influenza, the chances of human infection with the highly pathogenic avian influenza has a high fatality rate. City health department asked the city health system to implement various prevention and control measures to prevent the epidemic from the enormous social impact.

Anti-bird flu can be controlled to enhance people's health education, prevention and treatment of universal knowledge, correct and guide the masses of disease awareness, the elimination of panic is extremely important. City goalkeeper Ministry of Health issued as soon as possible to improve the medical treatment of human avian influenza contingency plans, do a good job in reporting the epidemic. All suspected cases must be confirmed by the expert consultation in order to report, with particular attention to flow in strict accordance with the referral of patients to prevent the referral process caused by the spread of the epidemic.

It is reported that bird flu prevention and control work in our city and strive to the city's non-occurrence of human infection with highly pathogenic bird flu epidemic, to ensure that once there is an outbreak could provide "four-early principle" (early discovery, early reporting, early quarantine and early treatment), for the treatment success, to lay a good foundation to control the spread of the epidemic. The city's spring and winter bird flu prevention and control activities will continue until the steering around the Spring Festival.
 
 
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  "sorry...can't read chinese... "
   I can't read machine translations. I just wish that the BF community would enlist the help of translators that can speak the languages some of these news articles are written in. I'm not criticizing anyone for quoting them - it's just that oftentimes they make next to no sense. Seriously, what does this mean?
   "According to gold later apologized for the media narrative, December 19, in accordance with the custom hometown winter tonic, gold apologized relatives commissioned from Sanhe City, Hebei Yanjiao used to buy two ducks, the ducks are FURminator deShedding Ripper."
   There are sites out there that have threads where machine translations are used endlessly. It bothers me that we can't find humans to give us a more literal translation. It's vitally important that news of a possible outbreak is disseminated efficiently and I don't think machine translations are the way to go.
   Mary08 - good catch though. Anytime Tamiflu is dispensed like this, we should be on the alert.
   Sorry about the rant. As you may be able to tell, machine translations are something of a pet peeve of mine Censored
   
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Ministry of Health issued an urgent notice shall not be stranded in the community out-patient pneumonia patients

http://www.cnwest.com Time :2009-02-09 08:41:07 font settings to enter the forum: Xinhuanet
 

Yesterday, the Ministry of Health issued an urgent circular calling for the spring strengthen prevention and treatment of respiratory tract diseases, clinics, outpatient departments and community health service institutions of fever accompanied by pneumonia symptoms,

 
they should immediately switch to the county (city, district) level hospital screening, may not be stranded patients. And timely reporting level health administrative departments and agencies for Disease Control and Prevention.
 
The fixed-point medical institutions is necessary to strengthen the management of fever clinics, do a good job of fever patients attending pre-work hours. Around the event of human infection with highly pathogenic avian influenza, pneumonia of unknown causes, influenza and other epidemic, it is necessary to immediately start the fever clinics, and do a good job pre-screening triage work, temperature above 38 ℃, accompanied by respiratory symptoms of patients, physicians reception must be asked in detail about the history, who have contact with sick history, should be transferred to medical institutions above county seizure clinic, isolation and treatment in situ. Clinics, outpatient departments and community health service institutions of fever accompanied by pneumonia symptoms, they should immediately switch to the county (city, district) level hospital screening, patients may not be stranded. And timely reporting level health administrative departments and agencies for Disease Control and Prevention.

Various types of medical institutions at all levels to further strengthen the control of nosocomial infection, strengthening hospital management and the focus of an internal infection site management, the hospital medical staff to control influenza full training and knowledge assessment, strict implementation of disinfection and isolation system, focus on the operating room, supply room, delivery room, baby room, blood bank, dentistry, endoscopy, hyperbaric oxygen, laboratory, dressing rooms, treatment rooms and other key departments and parts of the work a sense of control if it is found in patients with suspected nosocomial infection should be kept under close surveillance and timely reported.

At all levels of medical care, disease control, health oversight agencies to strengthen in order to ensure that prevention and control of information flow. Found that cases of pneumonia of unknown causes and may involve unexplained infectious deaths in accordance with the "Communicable Disease Prevention Act" "hospital infection management practices" and other related laws and regulations provides that a timely manner to the local disease control departments and health authorities report. Shall not relieve reported that concealed and failed to report infectious diseases. (Journalist traineeRobinson)


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Looks like China is doing a good job with special clinics to deal with influenza specifically.
With the amazingly large population they have, very few, so far have died from the mostly bird to human type illness.
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Hi Mary - always nice to see your posts. China News as a thread is a rather broad topic. Still tracking the recent outbreak of Bird Flu in China as well as the non-transparency of this by China. Also the spill over news into Hong Kong - the Circle of countries around China which indicate a cover up in terms of the complete absence of cases being reported in birds- while at the borders we are seeing mass cullings as well as covert sale of poultry infected with high path Avian to surrounding countries for food.

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hi Med...always nice to hear from you.  It has been difficult for us to know what's going on in China due to the language barrier.   But I assure you that People in positions of power do know. 

 

I put up a map from China showing the areas most likely to have outbreaks due to locations of water and temperature...The Chinese have it down to a science. (map provided to UN)

 

China was pretty clear about the fact that they had to set up fever clinics in varius provinces for pneumonia victims and used the word epidemic as the reason.  They let us know that the outbreaks periods are lengthening into warmer months now.  CDC has also mentioned this. 

 

Where the problem lies...   as far as birds go...The bigger problem is that China introduced mass vaccination of their poultry and it never reached the 90% success rate needed and the chickens
that appear well still get infected and shedding the virus they infect other birds and humans.

 

They really need to step up their sentinel bird watch.  By using a never vaccinated bird to be watched, for illness, in a well appearing flock.  The sick humans are showing the Govt. where the well looking but ill birds live.  They need to narrow it down with the sentinel birds in each flock.  It is in wild birds also...and they infect the backyard poultry...or any Market/backdoor purchase added can also do harm.

 


Please note this info from


CHINA/Asia Human Avian Influenza thread


in General Discussion.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_impact_of_H5N1

excerpt-


...Dr. Robert Webster...

It's not just China. We can't blame China for substandard vaccines.

 
I think there are substandard vaccines for influenza in poultry all over the world." [15]


In response to the same concerns,

Reuters reports Hong Kong infectious disease expert

Lo Wing-lok saying,


"The issue of vaccines has to take top priority,"

and Julie Hall, in charge of the WHO's outbreak response in China, saying

 

...China's vaccinations might be masking the virus." [16]


The BBC reported that Dr Wendy Barclay, a virologist at the University of Reading, UK said:

 

"The Chinese have made a vaccine based on reverse genetics made with H5N1 antigens, and they have

been using it. There has been a lot of criticism of what they have done,

because they have protected their chickens against death from this virus

but the chickens still get infected; and then you get drift - the virus mutates in response to the

antibodies - and now we have a situation where we have

five or six 'flavours' of H5N1 out there." [17]

 

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FRANKIN AROUND WITH VACS....
 
 
This is the BAD part....
 
 
it replicated in mice and ferrets and spread to the brains of mice; therefore, it should not be used as a live-attenuated vaccine. The H5N3 vaccine, at doses of 1.2 μg HA, induced HI antibodies in chickens and prevented death, signs of disease, and markedly reduced virus shedding after challenge with A/CK/HK/86.3/02 (H5N1) but did not provide sterilizing immunity. Thus, reverse genetics allows the inexpensive preparation of standardized, efficacious H5N3 poultry vaccines that may also reduce the reemergence of H5N1 genotypes.
 
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prevented signs of disease
 
while it coontinues to reassort blindly hitting humans.
 
 
But......The Chinese better not do it...  (especially with H5N1)
 
 
 

"The Chinese have made a vaccine based on reverse genetics made with H5N1 antigens, and they have

been using it. There has been a lot of criticism of what they have done,

because they have protected their chickens against death from this virus

but the chickens still get infected; and then you get drift - the virus mutates in response to the

antibodies - and now we have a situation where we have

five or six 'flavours' of H5N1 out there." [17]

 
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I was glad to see this- as we have been discussing it ourselves.
 
This is very good news.... (Discussion on "Well appearing" poultry carrying H5N1)
 
 
 Female musicians performing Chinese classical music
 
 
 
 
 
Zhong Nanshan said that attention should be paid to "non-infected sick" birds
 
 
 
 
[2009-02-06 08:55:44]
 
 
(Translated by Mary Martin and Google)
 
 

February 6, 2009
Canton Daily News
 
From ... Professor Zhong Nanshan:
Infected Poultry do not appear ill, Which makes people more vulnerable to infection
 
This year, different places in China have discovered seven cases of human avian influenza cases, of which five cases have died.

These cases should heighten people's vigilance toward human avian influenza.
 
Yesterday morning, the Chinese Academy of Engineering, Professor Zhong Nanshan respiratory authoritative experts said bird flu cases this year were high mortality, but still in the dissemination
 state, not the formation of the epidemic.
 
 
High mortality but not the formation of the epidemic
"This year, bird flu appears (to have) two more obvious characteristics, first, high mortality, and second, the time appeared more concentrated, seven cases diagnosed are in the last month found, of which 5 cases are has died.

 
 
Zhong Nanshan said, but these cases are (widely) distributed, the distribution in Beijing, Xinjiang, Shandong, Shanxi, Guizhou and other places, and in each region has so far been found only 1 case.

 
"This means that this year's bird flu epidemic has not yet formed, because in accordance with the relevant provisions must be in the same area more than five cases happen to be cases of the epidemic.
 

"As people all over (show) bird flu vigilance, as well as the peak incidence of influenza in winter and spring come, people believe that sporadic cases of avian flu could still happen in our country." Zhong Nanshan said.
 
 
 
Beware "(no disease showing)" in poultry
 
Zhong Nanshan (mentions a) special emphasis this year, avian influenza appearing in people has a very noteworthy new phenomenon. "In these seven cases of patients, some people do not have a history of contact with sick poultry."

 
 
Zhong Nanshan considers it necessary- (To be) especially vigilant because it means that some poultry may "not (look) infected or sick." "In other words, these birds may be carrying the (virus) and can be transmitting the avian influenza virus, but there is no incidence of characteristics (of illness), so people come into contact with these birds when there is no preparedness, (people are) more vulnerable to illnesses."
 
 
 
Zhong Nanshan thinks, The reason why birds would lead to "(having)the virus and not (looking)sick",  may be related to immunization, and ... poultry vaccines, bird flu (virus) may be reduced after the detoxification (they do not appear to have) the disease, but in fact They still carry the virus in vivo. "
 
 
 
To this end, Zhong Nanshan reminds, the best way to prevent bird flu is to avoid contact with poultry, "whether it is sick, or 'looks healthy', (people) are not to have contact. In addition, the public is best not to buy live poultry to (prepare at home)."

 
 
Hospital should not be about money

Reporter asked: "This year, human avian influenza cases why such a high mortality rate?"
 
 
Zhong Nanshan said that medical staff had not placed enough emphasis on the avian flu was one of the reasons why. Zhong Nanshan said that over the past month it appeared that seven cases of human avian flu cases are occurring in the rural grass-roots level, and worrying is that these patients (should be hospitalized),
 
 
 
 but it was the grass-roots hospitals, (where) Doctor (diagnosed) an ordinary fever and pneumonia. "One had a patient go to the hospital and (found patient) gone, another was called back to the hospital. The reason why (patient was) Called back to hospital are later found him suspicious of the condition. ...

 
 
In this regard, Zhong Nanshan (diagnosing) a high fever and pneumonia for those patients, if after 48 hours of conventional therapy (patient) is still not improved, medical personnel should attach great importance to the first person to give them a quick test of bird flu, but should allow them to be treated in hospital .

 
 
"Unfortunately, in these seven cases of patients several were (not?) hospitalized because of no money to pay a deposit and leave (left)  the hospital. I call upon the vast numbers of hospital, particularly in Guangdong area hospital, once found  pneumonia and high fever (if) within 48 hours of non - improvement in patients, (patients) should not care about the money, regardless of their having no money to pay the deposit (patients) should be treated before their admission, and then immediately report it to the higher level health authorities. "
 
 
 
 
Zhong Nanshan reminds,
 
Some birds ...transmitting the avian influenza virus, but do not show the characteristics of the disease, hidden, (we) need to remain vigilant.
I call upon the vast numbers of hospital, particularly in Guangdong area hospital, once pneumonia   and high fever are found and after 48 hours does not improve,  patients should not care about the money, they should be treated first and admitted to hospital.
 
Source:- Guangzhou Daily
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Mary- A lot of interesting data. Read through the thread and just a few comments.

You might note that as per some inner circle as well as commonly known data - Dr. Webster is a significant member of the vaccine community. There is a short quote, but what is going on over at St. Judes, and especially the policy calls on what goes into our yearly vaccines

Dr. Webster is a study in himself alone, and is one of the power hitters in our scientific research community who, I believe has produced or is working on an Avian vaccine. He is akin to Dr. Gallo and HIV. No insignificant person.

http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=839e10e88ce70110VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD&vgnextchannel=0dd413c016118010VgnVCM1000000e2015acRCRD

Do set me straight if I am missing the data here, since I often try to put things into laymen for the non-techies language, but is what you are saying are quoting that China has developed a vaccine that suppresses symptoms in birds which allows for a multiple development of increasingly diverse strain of Bird Flu which would make it near impossible, if transferred to humans to create a vaccine for?

This has been our problem, in the research community, with HIV, for decades. We have 20 something strains or more and when it comes to creating a vaccine - forget it.

My cousin has HIV and has been taking a wide spectrum of extremely expensive drugs which basically cost him his million dollar house in the last 10 years- since most of it went into buying the drugs cock_tail (I know the word filter is gonna catch that)- to keep him alive.

What the Chinese are doing is purely money and economic based to save their poultry industry while laying the groundwork for as I perceive an "I Robot" ending - no more people- death of the human species by Bird Flu. Is that the implication here?

Mary and readers,  what we are seeing, and I am writing about soon, is this phenomenon is becoming true in just about all the viruses circulating. One good example would be MRSA and VRSA. I wrote an article concerning the use of MRSA to infect an amoebic pathogen, which accelerates its mutation rate incredibly. It uses the amoeba as a jungle gym to hyper alter its sequence and produces the end strain  like MRSA on steroids which has jumped to VRSA. This new, worse than MRSA is rare still, but it will see its day, and MRSA probably causes more hospital deaths than the conditions people come to have treated second to medication error and malpractice.

here's a quickie from CDC

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dhqp/ar_visavrsa.html

and some of the work of Chang S. Sievert

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancomycin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus


I didn't post this, but MRSA is sweeping everywhere just about. We could alarm everybody and  release a lot of data of what is really happening in the hospitals as it mutates and is in the schools and gyms and all over- contact stuff and now airborne in the surgery suites (terrific huh?) Wipe those door knobs and toilet seats Monk style (the series). Wash your hands every time you touch ANYONE. God, I hate it when a coughing person reaches out their hand to shake mine and I can't avoid it.  I am going to start carrying wipes. Bluebird does. Head straight for the 3 minutes scrub (you realize if you have ever done surgery that the quick rinse does not get the germs off your hands). It is like alcohol. It takes 10 minutes at least soaking stuff in alcohol for it to kill things effectively. A quick swipe before an injection  is cosmetic. It does not really kill all the germs.

Point: Norovirus, prions, and the pantheon of pathogens sweeping our country are mutating quite effectively to produce flu which can effectively 5 out of 7 elude our best vaccine efforts. We missed again this year by pushing Wisconsin versus A., especially in Canada. This has been 'not commonly released to public' and also people are losing their faith in vaccines when they get them and then get 'another strain of flu and still wind up flat on their backs, febrile, truly miserable and contagious.

You cannot effectively vaccinate the people with 3 strains of stuff in the yearly poke in the arm. Last year we needed at least 4- and counting a few norovirus (if we had a decent one) the average person, if they can get by the toxic substances in the vaccines (formaldehyde, mercury, etc- which kill some and also produce disease syndromes in one out of 1,000 children or some such number) often skips the vaccination, so parents are getting skittish and a lot of them won't.  Putting Skye (our son) through the torture of like 6 to 8 strain vaccination, with four shots in both legs led to a screaming and terrified little boy who thought seriously,  we have turned him over to a Machiavellian torture team.  "I'm sorry, I'm sorry" the nurse kept saying as blood dribbled down his little leg. And in two hours he was sick, fever, and an unhappy little guy. Yep, making the bucks hitting them with multiple shots all at once. My son is not ready for the Army cattle array line where they air gun you, I got in Vietnam days.

Point:  And this sounds truly conspiratorial - the people behind the scenes doing chicken and beef (Tyson has its own share of deadly sins) i.e. read Fast Food Nation - do whatever is necessary to keep selling that chicken and beef, despite the development of diverse strains  of viruses and bacteria which make us sick and yet doesn't kill us in large numbers (yet).

I am sure you are aware that CDC and the little Class V lab in London, as well as Russia, and no doubt the 11 labs in North Korea (if you want links.. I can dig them up.. but I am hard pressed for time these days.. so you can google this stuff and find confirmation)  have created hundreds of strains of Bird Flu. I know for a fact that CDC went through hundreds, and also 'someone' developed a REALLY nasty one- just like we have also developed a recombined hantavirus which makes a great vial dumper for reservoirs (bioweapon) for friends not of the U.S.

well.. okay

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/bw/index.html

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/NK/Biological/index.html

London

http://www.basicint.org/update/BWU070726.htm

Iran
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/07/08/monkeys_shipped_to_iranian_secret_lab_are_for_bioweapons_testing.php

Afghanistan

(they are there)

China is a powerful force draining our money, tech, and companies. Because it is not gravely concerned with collateral damage IMHO it has overpopulation already and has to mandate birth control, it could loose hundreds of millions - lets say the population of the U.S. and not blink. Therefore, they can do stuff which is so bad - like putting rat poison in food products that we buy which effectively lowers the rat problem, but makes us ill and kills some. Or stuff in the milk and key ingredients of pet food which are used by most all pet food makers.

They are playing wth fire that and are an accident waiting to happen as the maker and source of our next Pandemic. Already we have denial, acommpanied by this bird vaccine which could basically ruin our chances of making our own vaccine when the Pandemic hits. Would you want to take on an HIV type situation with a gazillion strains... unless as virologists i have spoken to, we can find a part of the virus that can't mutate to hit and thus the Holy Grail of vaccines which would hit the common cold, Alzheimers, cancer, Parkinson's.. etc.. these irresponsible practices are setting the stage for the coming human P2P strains which will give us at least 3 waves.

We might make it through Wave 1 at the 2-5%, or even .5%. We might be near Wave 1. And we might even make a vaccine. But the nasty business of the next two Waves - more lethal, more resistant as I write about in my 'stuff' (The Black Rabbit) 90% CFR is not unthinkable.

Lots of good and pretty disturbing stuff. There is a lot buried in all this which is significant for those of us reading between the lines. It is not nice to fool with mother nature.  Fact, we have high path chickens being sold by the millions with a asymptomatic and if eaten by people will give them Avian if they are not cooked well.

Didn't heat microwave wise up a T.V. dinner last night warm enough as I bit into a chilly bite of meatloaf and thought..  well with 57 kinds of country in every fast food hamburger (or a lot of them) I'll probably just have a rough early morning food poisoning which seems chronic lately with most processed foods I eat.

China - as long as we encourage them with billions of dollars they are going to keep whatever doesn't kill us in minutes.

Collision course, not if, but when. And I would add.. not if, but how.

Medclinician

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China Health Ministry Party chief replaced 
08:13, February 12, 2009
 
 
The Communist Party chief of China's Health Ministry has been replaced, the ministry's official website said Wednesday.
The post of secretary of the ministry's leading Party members' group, formerly held by Gao Qiang, 65, was taken over by Zhang Mao,55.
 
 
 
The website didn't give a reason for the change, only saying that the central government made the decision out of "work necessity and prudent study."
Zhang, from east China's Shandong Province, had been vice mayor of Beijing and vice minister of the National Development and Reform Commission previously, during which time he was in charge of health system reform work, the website said.
 
 
 
Gao had been vice finance minister and deputy secretary-general of the State Council (Cabinet). He was appointed Party chief and vice minister of the Health Ministry during the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) outbreak in 2003 after former health minister Zhang Wenkang was sacked over the crisis. Gao became minister in April 2005.
 
 
 
In June 2007, Gao's post of health minister was taken by Chen Zhu, who is not a member of the Communist Party of China. He then began to act as the vice minister and remained the Party chief.
Source: Xinhua
 
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THE Communist Party chief of China's Health Ministry has been replaced, the ministry's official website said yesterday.

The post of secretary of the ministry's leading Party members' group, formerly held by Gao Qiang, 65, was taken over by Zhang Mao,55.

The website didn't give a reason for the change, only saying that the central government made the decision out of "work necessity and prudent study."

Zhang, from east China's Shandong Province, had been vice mayor of Beijing and vice minister of the National Development and Reform Commission previously, during which time he was in charge of health system reform work, the website said.

Gao had been vice finance minister and deputy secretary-general of the State Council (Cabinet). He was appointed Party chief and vice minister of the Health Ministry during the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) outbreak in 2003 after former health minister Zhang Wenkang was sacked over the crisis. Gao became minister in April 2005.

In June 2007, Gao's post of health minister was taken by Chen Zhu, who is not a member of the Communist Party of China. He then began to act as the vice minister and remained the Party chief.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200902/20090212/article_390782.htm

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The new Party Secretary of The Ministry of Health, Zhang Mao

Meeting chaired by Health Minister Chen Zhu.


Mr. Zhang Mao is familiar with public health work. Serving as vice mayor of Beijing and deputy director of the National Development and Reform Commission, in charge of health and health system and medical and health office of the State Council to deepen reform and ministerial-level working group, he was deputy head of coordination, adhering to deepen reform, and making efforts to enhance health care.


Mr. Zhang Mao, is highly spoken of and maintains a democratic style.
The central authorities believe that Mr. Zhang Mao is an appropriate choice as Party Secretary of the Ministry of Health. Mr. Zang Mao intends to actively promote medical and health system reform in the field of medicine and public health work.   Forthcoming, is an official launch, of a new round of health reform and development.


Attachment: Zhang Mao Resume

Zhang Mao, born in February 1954, Shandong...in September 1973 he joined the party, in March 1969 worked, doctor of economics, a senior economist.

 
Former Beijing Glass Factory, deputy party secretary of Beijing glassware factory, glass factory Beijing party secretary and deputy director, deputy manager of Beijing First Light Corporation, the Standing Committee of the Party Committee, the CPC Beijing Municipal Foreign Economic and Trade Commission of Science, member of the city's external Economic and Trade Commission deputy director, deputy secretary of the Haidian District,
 
the Deputy Divisional Officer, Divisional Officer, Assistant Mayor of Beijing, the city of New Technology Industrial Development Experimental Zone CMC Director, party secretary, vice mayor of Beijing, the 29th Olympic Games Organizing Committee Executive Vice President, National Development and Reform Commission, member of the Party Group, Deputy Director.
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