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    Posted: June 20 2014 at 6:37pm
To All, If this event of the SHTF ever happens,regardless of the cause. How do plan to clean and sterilize your cooking and eating utensils after the Clorox,and detergents run out? To keep from getting dysentery.Johnray1
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Boil them. I can use my solar oven if there is no fuel but if I have fuel (wood) then I have my Volcano, or my Kelty Kettle only need twigs and grass for this one or my fire place insert to boil water and utensils.
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There's no need if you have a good supply of plastic silverware and paper plates.
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Boil them or use vinegar. Room temp white vinegar left for 10 mins can sanitize from salmonella,  heated to 130°f/55°c and left for a minute sanitizes against e.coli, listeria,  and salmonella.
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I have loads of plastic silverware and paper plates.
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Just clean 'em thoroughly and dry them well.   Don't waste your resources trying to "sterilize" everything.

Or, use your fingers. 

My late aunt used to have a cabin in the woods in Ontario....I was told that they would immerse the cooking pans in the water, and the small fish would lick them clean!  
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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

My late aunt used to have a cabin in the woods in Ontario....I was told that they would immerse the cooking pans in the water, and the small fish would lick them clean!  


That reminds me of the spas that have the little fish that nibble the dead skin cells off your feet.
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Hachi - that was the first thing I thought of too
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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

Just clean 'em thoroughly and dry them well.   Don't waste your resources trying to "sterilize" everything.


If it is a hot sunny day, you could put them out side in the sun -  same with drying clothes (it is a good way of whitening reusable nappies!)
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I presume most of you know how to make soap. This is one way to make disinfectant:

The gum from pine trees heated in water gives a cloudy disinfectant.

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Stick pine logs in a bank, mostly buried but with one end sticking out (to confine the products and reduce oxygen by using a confined space like making charcoal). Cook gently. A black substance comes out which contains many useful substances including the above disinfectant and also turpentine. These can be distilled to separate them.

Boiling pine leaves (needles) works too and is very low-effort for the overstretched survivalist.

The volatile substances in the pine tree are worthy of a little experimentation.

Alcohol works as a disinfectant as well and makes a good solvent at the same time.

Finally, a lot of viruses are vulnerable to mild acids (vinegar and lemon juice).
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Technophobe2,thank you,these methods are do able and reasonable.Many of you folks are going to get dysentery. I did not know about the pine gum.Johnray1
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You are welcome Johnray1.

I'm Technophobe (the original) though. I'm posting as Technophobe 2 as I can't access my account. My old computer is deader than flares!
I get to borrow a laptop every few days, but it can't remember my passwords for me. I asked Albert to email passwords to me but no reply. That is not like Albert, which brings me to my point.......

Has anyone heard from Albert recently? His last post was on the 20th June, I think. I hope he is ok.
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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

To All, If this event of the SHTF ever happens,regardless of the cause. How do plan to clean and sterilize your cooking and eating utensils after the Clorox,and detergents run out? To keep from getting dysentery.Johnray1


10% bleach solution goes a very long way. 10 gallons of bleach stored (cheap) would make aprox. 100 gallons disinfectant. Use springly and wisely and that could last litterally many years. Nothing would survive it -so long as you got good penetration-except maybe prions. By the time the bleach runs out maybe we'll all of built up immunities to a lot of these pathogens. That or maybe the lights'll be back on by then.

Albert posted a couple hours ago. But you're right. He's been highly absent. I think he's mad at me or I'm the reason he's ducked out. Sorry folks.
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Remember that chlorine bleach only has a one year shelf life.
"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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I very much doubt that Albert's taken offence at anything you've said. He's on AFT a lot more than you realize, but not always posting.
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I did not know that about bleach. Probebly somewhat longer but who knows how long. So I stand corrected. Perhaps the tablets last longer? In any case, in a post apocalyptic world, one of the least of our worries will be in sterilizing our eating utensils. We didn't have these sanitizing chemicals very long ago. Of course the life-expectancy back then was half what it is today. All things considered, those of us who have access to water should fare pretty well.

Thanks for that, JacksDad, but remember the post: (edited by Onefluover) That was because of me. It was totally bogus for someone to have said that about him. Not true at all. I tend to be mouthy and out of line and have inspired some extreme comments on his site. Not my intentions though. No, I think Albert is avoiding me like...the plague. It's OK though. I understand. And that goes for most everyone else as well. It's something I just have to live with and try not to make any worse.
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onefluover and all,thank you. I did not know that you could buy 10% Clorox solution at the store.Johnray1
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Shush yer fuss! They have stuff, one brand is called Staphine, that are taberculocidal, staphicidal, virucidal, strepicidal, and other cidals all in one spraycan -for about 20 bucks (US) a pop. But bleach added 10% to water is just as effective. And that gallon solution costs about .10 cents as opposed to the equivelant, $80.00. But what do we do when the bleach runs out or expires and the bricketts run out and there's no more furniture to burn? Knock its horns off, wipe its ass and send it on out. Fingerfood.
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Our grandparents used wood ash. Wood ash is very versatile and was never thrown away, just remember to keep it dry. You can use it to make lye which you need to make soap, or more simply, you can get a damp cloth, dip it in some wood ash and use it to scrub your pots, pans and plates. It is mildly abrasive and naturally cuts through grease. Then just rinse your plates and dry.

I'd have thought that it would be best to allow plates etc to air dry during an emergency. Tea towels should only be used if you have a fresh one every day so it makes sense in dire straights to save on the amount of laundry you do.
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