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    Posted: December 05 2018 at 1:49pm
you tell me ?

i think CC is a "Here and Now threat",

that we cant do anything about,

here's why........

After violent protests, France's prime minister says the government is ditching the fuel tax hike it had previously only suspended for six months.

UpdatedUpdated 11 mins ago

The French government is abandoning a fuel tax hike that was previously only suspended for six months following violent protests, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe has told MPs.

"The government is ready for dialogue and is showing it because this tax increase has been dropped from the 2019 budget bill," he told the lower house of parliament on Wednesday.

The government had earlier said it would not change the version of the budget bill at the Senate, which had dropped the fuel tax increase.

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The human race is an addict. Fossil fuels have given us highs of easy food, fast travel, plastics and their manufacturing advantages, medicines, home appliances and round-the-clock-lights. I can't think of an aspect of life untouched.

We can't give them up without the massively painful delirium tremens.

Like all addicts, we hurt those around us (every other living thing) to feed our addiction and we are in denial about the severity of the problem: "I can give it up any time I want."

I don't think we have the willpower to give up.

Sorry, no answers here.
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There is no planetary methodone
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12,000 years ago a 11-12 billion tons piece of iron hit north west Greenland releasing energy equivalent to 700meg tons of tnt.

You guys are worried about 100 parts per million of co2 increase that humans only account for a small percentage. LOL at YOU.

Cosmic catastrophe is a MUCH MUCH bigger risk.    Now apparently for the first time in the history of the Earth the Earth may have found a way to defend itself by giving rise to us. Humans are a force for good.

Even a full blown nuclear war would not be as devastating to the planet as this one impact was.    There is also evidence of many other impacts since that were very large in their own right.



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You are right about the asteroid/comet/meteorite risk. It's nasty!

But despite the small percentage of CO2, this is a devastating change. It takes minute amounts to effect a big change when such a complicated system balances on a knife edge.

The big meteorite will hit someday, but we are not ready to protect the planet yet. Anyway, that is "someday" and climate change is "now"; so is a mass extinction driven by us as big as the one at the end of the Cretaceous.

How does that make us a force for good?
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Deepthinker, we could go another 10,000 years or 100,000 years before another large asteroid collides with earth, and when that happens, heaven help who ever is here at the time. The thing is, we can't predict that until just before impact. But with climate change, we can all see that happening right now, right in front of our eyes. It's happening right now.

My personal prediction is that the weather events will continue to become more and more extreme and still we'll tolerate it and the nay sayers will deny it's anything more than a natural blip in the cycle of things. And then one day something truly awful will happen. Truly cataclysmic. I don't know what that will be but it will have to occur in a Western country for anyone to notice it. Perhaps it will be a wildfire that engulfs a city, or a series of hurricanes that devastate a huge area.

When that day comes and the Western world sits up and notices then we'll probably decide to do something about our emissions and pollution, but, I suspect, by then it'll be too late. If you start a rock rolling down a hillside, you can't stop it until it gets to the bottom. At the moment I feel we are all collectively standing on top of that hill, rocking that boulder to and fro, and it's gathering momentum. At any moment it'll roll on down, and heaven help us then.
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Great analogy, KiwiMum! Despite the cold/hot I think it a snowball; that grows as it rolls. Later, if big enough, it collects rocks and plants. When it gets to the bottom it either explodes or takes a massively long time to melt.

I think it is now rolling away from us and gathering speed. We need to sprint to catch it and it would be a massively titaic struggle to stop it now. So we will follow it for a while, then give up and sit down to catch our collective breaths.

We will panic again just before it flattens the veggie patch and greenhouse. Hopefully the family dog will run away. The poor cat is already missing.
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KiwiMum....   theoretically we could go 10k or 100k years but the odds are EXTREMELY low.   We don't realize how serious the threat is because history has been lost.

Research suggests we have been hit at least 500 times in last 10,000 years. Yes most of them have been much closer to Tunguska event than the Greenland one.... however these are just the craters I am aware of:Mahuika crater New Zealand, Burckle Crater Madagascar and there was probably an impact near the great lakes that created the Carolina bays. Just this last century we had Tunguska and a fire ball over Brazil in the 40's that was probably even bigger and then we had another fireball over Russia just a few years ago.

Anthropologist tell us that modern man has been on earth around 200k years but yet civilization is only 5k or 6k years old WFT??   I believe that we have seen advanced civilization many times on this planet.   

Humans impact on this planet is like pissing in the wind compared to what nature throws at us.   We have no control over most natural disasters.   However maybe this time we have advanced far enough that we might be able to protect our self from the great cosmic reboot.
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I am sorry... for me, to believe that Humanity can destroy the planet is the height of arrogance.
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The differences are twofld. Scientists are unsure about how to fend off an asteroid in real life.

Burce Willis is an actor, his role was a fantasy. We can't do those things in real life; at least not yet. We are not ready to build the equipment to destroy/deflect an asteroid, because we are still arguing about what to do for the best. We can't even spot all of them, only those in the plane of the ecliptic. We can't even effectively watch the rest of the sky , which is less crowded, but much, much bigger.

Impacts are a risk. Climate change is a reality.
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