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The return of Polar Vortexes and freaky weather.

Well, yes. Weather has always been rather unpredictable with weathermen sometimes talking about clear blue skies when it is pouring rain outside.
Last night we had a brief burst of rain and storm in California which is followed this morning by an almost clear blue sky in California after days of record heat for this time of year. 

http://krqe.com/2016/02/18/rain-snow-hit-california-shifting-weather-back-to-winter/

Despite mammoths being quick frozen (now debunked by one scientists as actually because of an earthquake in the mud) still the Gulf Stream continues to dilute and the glaciers melt and we are seeing really strange weather just about everywhere.

No Christmas cold for New York and between storms they have had balmy warm temps. This was a day of "no news" as we await a possible Armageddon as Turkey prepares to invade Syria, so I thought I would crank up the Ice Age thread despite most telling me - yes - we still may have one in North American and Europe but no big deal - because the tropics will remain the tropics.

Speaking of Armageddon the Russian are getting ready to upgrade their nukes so they can do a Bruce Willis sequel journey to take out a nasty meteor on a near collision course with Earth.

Despite all the Hoopla at the big global warming conference and deep discussions, is anyone doing anything to cut the C02 emissions besides stall the date when they will do so?

For one, it would be nice to see rain in our little desert California which really needs it.

Is this a no news - no weather day?  Look like the Ice Age will have to wait.

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'It’s unraveling, every piece of it is unraveling, they’re all in lockstep together'

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/18/1487141/--It-s-unraveling-every-piece-of-it-is-unraveling-they-re-all-in-lockstep-together
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http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/18/no-winter-for-the-arctic-in-2016-nasa-marks-hottest-january-ever-recorded/

Not only did January show the highest temperature departure from average for a single month — at +1.13 C above NASA’s 20th Century base-line and about +1.38 C above 1880s averages (just 0.12 C shy of the dangerous 1.5 C mark). But what we observed in the global distribution of those record hot temperatures was both odd and disturbing.
There, in the Arctic lands of now-thawing glacial ice and permafrost — over Siberia, over Northern Canada, over Northern Greenland and all throughout the Arctic Ocean zone above 70 North Latitude — temperatures averaged between 4 and 13 degrees Celsius above normal. That’s between 7 and 23 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than usual for the extraordinary period of an entire month.
It would be bad if it were only a case that warmth in the Arctic just resulted in the ever-more-rapid melting of glaciers — forcing seas to rise by centimeters, inches and feet. It would be rather bad if polar warming amplified as white ice on land and over the ocean withdrew — turning a heat-reflecting surface into dark blue, green, and brown heat-absorbing feature. It would be pretty amazingly bad if such heat also resulted in permafrost thaw — again worsening human-forced warming by unlocking up to 1,300 billion tons of carbon and eventually transferring about half of that into our atmosphere. And it would be rather bad if all that extra heat in the Arctic started to meddle with the Northern Hemisphere’s weather — by altering the flow of the Jet Stream. By resulting in very persistent drought-producing ridges and storm-producing troughs.
Sadly, these events are no longer just hypothetical. The sea ice is retreating. The permafrost is thawing. The glaciers are melting. And the flow of the Jet Stream appears to be weakening.

(DJ) Temperatures will follow CO2 and Methane rising meaning sealevelrise. We are on the wrong side of the worst-case-scenario. 
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Open thread for night owls: Exxon prepared for climate change while discrediting climate scientists

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/18/1487512/-Open-thread-for-night-owls-Exxon-prepared-for-climate-change-while-discrediting-climate-scientists

the big oil companies have simultaneously been lying about climate change while preparing for it

their actions constitute a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted accordingly
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Could not believe this. Looking at the thermometer and it is 86 degrees here in Monterey, Ca and I look and see we have another arctic blast coming. I really had to look at this one twice.
We had record warm sea water here a few weeks ago and I still believe the ice shelves will melt in the north, the Gulf Stream dilute, and we will have arctic weather here.

So I found this...

http://www.vencoreweather.com/blog/2016/4/6/1210-pm-another-arctic-blast-for-the-late-week-and-weekend-and-possible-accumulating-snow

Low temperature records were broken this morning in parts of the Mid-Atlantic region and Northeast US (e.g., Dulles and BWI Airports bottomed out at 24 degrees) and this is by no means the end of the unusual cold weather. Temperatures will modify some this afternoon and turn much milder on Thursday, but more Arctic air is poised to pounce on the region by the weekend and freezing conditions are quite likely in parts of the Mid-Atlantic on both weekend mornings.  In addition to the upcoming late week and weekend cold, accumulating snow is a threat as a very energetic upper-level pattern develops in the Northeast US. Waves of energy will rotate around a deep upper-level trough of low pressure at the end of the week and the result could be a storm near the Mid-Atlantic coastline by Saturday.

Clouds are moving in here and the sky is nearly covered. Go storm!

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http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/forecastmaps?LANG=en&UP=0&R=0&MORE=1&DAY=0&MAPS=over&CONT=euro&LAND=GL&TOFD=tag# and http://www.weather-forecast.com/maps/Greenland?symbols=none&type=lapse

I get the impression that Greenland is getting above normal temperatures. The jet-stream is being disrupted, bringing "wierd weather" in the northern hemisphere.
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Polar Vortex on the way... all is not well with the Gulf Stream - weird weather...
https://rungreatlakes.org/2016/04/09/the-polar-vortex-and-its-general-suckitude/


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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160509085744.htm

From 2002 to the beginning of 2016, the mass of the Antarctic ice-sheet decreased on average by about 100 gigatons a year. This mass loss equals 100 cubic kilometers of water. If this water volume was evenly distributed over the total area of Germany the resulting water layer would be 28 centimeters thick -- every year. This would translate into 0.27 millimeters over the ocean corresponding to 9% of the global mean sea-level rise.

comment: with decreasing temps coming from La Nina in the Gulf Stream there could be extreme global cooling. With extreme spin of the Global Warming situation, although perhaps not a true Ice Age, the cooling of what warms the U.S. and Europe could give us "Day After Tomorrow scenarias which icy temps.


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Repeating colds temps not seen for more than a hundred years...

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Interesting video ! Ignores CO2, methane, global warming gas and comes up with solar minimum/maximum that is not regarded as science for influence on global climate. 

The (remote) possibility for an ice-age could be in meltwater from both Greenland and Antarctica. That meltwater is sweet-on top of warmer salt water. In winter that meltwater could maybe turn into sea-ice at a larger level than when there was not so much meltwater in those regions. 

On the other side there is that much warming going on that la nina does not make that much of a difference. El nino was not the main cause for global warming, more a "side effect contributing to warming" an extra ingrediënt-not the main dish. 

The trend in Antarctica is going to look more and more like the one in the Arctic; increased melt, mostly due to warmer seawater. A big danger can become "ice-tsunami's". Ice with its basis on the seafloor but eroded by warmer seawater. That (west-antarctic) ice may break and drop into the sea (Totten glacier in East Antarctica has the same problem) causing a tsunami. 

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One thing is for certain. There is so much money involved in the whole global warming thing, it is very possible that data has been manipulated or deleted from the net which does not support the overall causes or the coming of a small Ice Age in the U.S. and Europe. While not global, the severe drops in temps could basically ground planes and freeze most of New England and Europe due to dilution of the Gulf Stream which is clearly measurable and increasing.

It seems rather ironic that they have a big summit over how to change bus schedules and other non-solutions to huge issues, while ignoring that the melting of the ice in the north pole could bring about severe cold.

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from the post "Peak Global Warming"

"What we should now expect are rapidly declining global temperatures after February 2016, the apex of the 11-year cycle #24 solar heating."

‘99 percent chance’ 2016 will be hottest year

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2016/05/99-percent-chance-2016-will-be-hottest.html


March,April, continued to set record highs



interesting theory he puts forth

will have to watch things CLOSELY


if his theory is correct

we will know soon enoughConfused


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the UK is unseasonably cold right now

Is It Really Summer? U.K. Natural Gas Trades Like It’s Winter


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-02/is-it-really-summer-u-k-natural-gas-trades-like-it-s-winter


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/06/30/the-mysterious-cold-blob-in-the-north-atlantic-is-starting-to-give-up-its-secrets/?postshare=2611467303077037&tid=ss_fb

Is the cold blob south of Greenland (mostly) the result of melting (land) ice or could it be that that cold blob was caused by several cold winters ? How does this effect the gulfstream and the possibility of a new ice-age ? The debate goes on, there is obviously still a lot to learn !
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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/06/30/the-mysterious-cold-blob-in-the-north-atlantic-is-starting-to-give-up-its-secrets/?postshare=2611467303077037&tid=ss_fb

Is the cold blob south of Greenland (mostly) the result of melting (land) ice or could it be that that cold blob was caused by several cold winters ? How does this effect the gulfstream and the possibility of a new ice-age ? The debate goes on, there is obviously still a lot to learn !


It is cold here in northern California. Fourth of July used to be a sizzler with cooking temps and miserable heat that lasted until very early in the morning. For the last few years - and we have gone back and forth - I have talked to people convinced that the melting of the North Pole ice would mess up the Gulf Stream and actually bring about a U.S. - European "Ice Age."

Now it really doesn't matter if it is a formal Ice Age. If most of the northern U.S. is put in "The Day After Tomorrow" weather it would ruin the East Coast, air traffic, and large parts of Europe would freeze. So much PR pushing the global warming and yet it may be that very phenomena no matter who is causing it that in the next few years bring in major climate changes.

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Once upon a time in the future - as they argued about global warming and predicted years of drought and pollution. Pop Secret - lemonade - dark chocolate and ...

https://www.amazon.com/Day-After-Tomorrow-Dennis-Quaid/dp/B000NDMRCS

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Are we headed for global cooling versus a current heat wave (dome) in New York and blistering temperatures throughout the U.S. this weekend? Could be. Not really giving up on the fact that the Gulf Stream continues to be diluted as the Norhern Ice Cap continues to melt and this could ruin what makes the East Coast and much of Europe warmer when it should be covered in ice.

A lot of money riding on the whole global warming myth which although it may be creating record temperatures globally, it would give us an "Ice Age" in the United States in Europe. Yes, we could still flee to the Tropics but this would be irrelevant if most of the big cities such as New York, Chicago, and D.C. airports were literally shut down.

So enjoy the balmy weather New York - well perhaps not enjoy the sweltering Heat Dome. Relief is on the way.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/no_author/junk-scientists-flipflop-global-cooling/

These currents, which today drive the Gulf Stream, bring warm surface waters north and send cold, deeper waters south. But they weakened suddenly and drastically, nearly to the point of stopping, just before several periods of abrupt climate change, researchers report today in Science. In a matter of decades, temperatures plummeted in the north, as the currents brought less warmth in that direction. Meanwhile, the backlog of warm, southern waters allowed the Southern Hemisphere to heat up.

AMOC slowdowns have long been suspected as the cause of the climate swings during the last ice age, which lasted from 110,000 to 15,000 years ago, but never definitively shown. The new study “is the best demonstration that this indeed happened,” says Jerry McManus, a paleo-oceanographer at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, and a study author. “It is very convincing evidence,” adds Andreas Schmittner, a climate scientist at Oregon State University, Corvallis. “We did not know that the circulation changed during these shorter intervals.”

Another question is whether the AMOC—currently known to be in decline—could drop off suddenly today, as depicted in the 2004 movie The Day After Tomorrow, causing temperatures to plummet across northwestern Europe. Schmittner says the past provides an eye-opener. “It’s evidence that this really did happen in the past, on short time scales.” But McManus says that studies looking deeper into the ice ages have found that the 1500-year climate oscillations tend not to be nearly as strong during interglacial periods. “It would suggest that this kind of thing isn’t so likely to happen today,” he says. On the other hand, he adds, “In most interglacials, Greenland didn’t melt … and Greenland is currently melting.

Read more: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/crippled-atlantic-conveyor-triggered-ice-age-climate-change

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A Global Temperature Rise Of More than Ten Degrees Celsius By 2026?


http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2016/07/a-global-temperature-rise-of-more-than-ten-degrees-celsius-by-2026.html

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