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Hi Angel, there are many inexpensive handcrank/solar/battery radios that
will provide you with information even if the the power and phone are
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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

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wonder how people will know when it is safe to go out if there is no
telephone service or electricity?  I live out in the country and I don't have
any close neighbors. 
   
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I just wanted to mention what's probably obvious - make sure at least one of the phones in your house is a corded phone. Cordless phones are nice but they won't work if the power goes out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Siameselade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2006 at 8:53pm
Yes, that's a really good point, I would think that we'd have phone service for a while. I hope so, I am also hoping for Internet to stay on for awhile to, we have cable, our daughters have Sat.  So I hope at least to be able to communicate
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Couple quick things - The morse code requirement for hams is no longer in effect. Just a written test on radio theory, electronic principals and station safety.
I am a General class Ham. I still use morse because it is much more reliable than voice. I guess that I have been appointed the un-official-official radio geek.  If you have any questions feel free to ask
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simple,question here, and i don't have time to go thru all the excellent posts right now
 
i need a receiver - all i want to do is listen.
 
maximum flexibility, but my focus is local
 
if things start to happen, i am in an excellent position to monitor local events
 
my understanding is that any type of receiver is legal - it is the transmitting that you need a liscense for, correct?
 
regardless, i don't really care about legal issues.  by the time i turn this baby on, legal issues won't really matter any more.
 
i hope i never use it, but my guess is i can find one locally or on ebay
i just need to know what to look for, and how much i should pay.
 
if something happens, even just a car crash, i will hear the sirens, and i'd love to be able to flip a switch and listen in.  i am not a tech geek, so this needs to be an off-the-shelf unit
 
of course i'll keep you posted, once i hear anything
 
thanks in advance!
 
 
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Has anybody discussed how to make communications SECURE yet?  If the world really gets unsafe, the last thing I need is for the rest of the world to listen in while I talk to others.
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Originally posted by Bumpman Bumpman wrote:

Has anybody discussed how to make communications SECURE yet?  If the world really gets unsafe, the last thing I need is for the rest of the world to listen in while I talk to others.
 
QUOTE=maskman]simple,question here, and i don't have time to go thru all the excellent posts right now
 
i need a receiver - all i want to do is listen.
 
maximum flexibility, but my focus is local
 
if things start to happen, i am in an excellent position to monitor local events
 
my understanding is that any type of receiver is legal - it is the transmitting that you need a liscense for, correct?
 
regardless, i don't really care about legal issues.  by the time i turn this baby on, legal issues won't really matter any more.
 
i hope i never use it, but my guess is i can find one locally or on ebay
i just need to know what to look for, and how much i should pay.
 
if something happens, even just a car crash, i will hear the sirens, and i'd love to be able to flip a switch and listen in.  i am not a tech geek, so this needs to be an off-the-shelf unit
 
of course i'll keep you posted, once i hear anything
 
thanks in advance!
 
 
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Here is a 2-fer.
 
First maskman. You are correct that you are not in violation if you do not transmit. You can get a good multi-band receiver for about $200.00. But, that being said, i would consider investing in good used HF ham rig. 'bout $100 more, but you have the ability to transmit if you need it.
 
 
For Bumpman:
 
ComSec (Communications Security) will be a major issue going forward. It is presumed that you would be having comms with someone that you know. If that is the case, you need to develop a series of "brevity codes" that on the surface have no meaning except for those that need to receive them (kinda like 10-4 meaning "roger")  The military utilized a brevity code that was referred to as "Q and Z" signals. For instance, QBF means flying in a cloud. So, if I stated that "I am QBF" it is obvious. If asked as a question, it would be "Are you QBF?" THe ham community has quite a universal collection of Q codes. "Z" codes are specific to the US military.
 
Back in my "survivalist" days, there was an organization called NITRO which stood for "National Independently Trained Radio Operators"  They composed a CEOI (Communications and Electronic Operating Instructions) for NITRO operators to use if it was TEOTWAWKI. I have a copy of it stashed away somewhere (I am a packrat). I will see if I can find a copy of it. It is only hardcopy though. I will have to transcribe it (or OCR it) into computer format.
 
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Quick exam[ple of what I am talking about:
 
AMATEUR RADIO "Q-SIGNALS"
    
QNA  Answer in prearranged order.
QNC  All net stations copy.
QND  Net is directed.
QNE  Entire net stand by.
QNF  Net is free.
QNG  Take over as net control station.
QNI  Net stations report in.
QNM  You are QRMing the net.
QNN  Net control station is [call sign].
QNO  Station is leaving the net.
QNP  Unable to copy you.
QNS  Following stations are in the net.
QNT  I request permission to leave the net.
QNU  The net has traffic for you.
QNX  You are excused from the net
QNY  Shift to another frequency.
QNZ  Zero beat your signal with mine.
QRG  Will you tell me my exact frequency?
QRH  Does my frequency vary?
QRJ  Are you receiving me badly?
QRK  What is the intelligibility of my signals?
QRL  Are you busy?
QRM  Is my transmission being interfered with?
QRN  Are you troubled by static?
QRO  Shall I increase power?
QRP  Shall I decrease power?
QRQ  Shall I send faster?
QRS  Shall I send more slowly?
QRT  Shall I stop sending?
QRU  Have you anything for me?
QRV  Are you ready?
QRX  When will you call me again?
QRY  What is my turn?
QRZ  Who is calling me?
QSA  What is the strength of my signals?
QSB  Are my signals fading?
QSD  Is my keying defective?
QSG  Shall I send messages?
QSK  Can you hear between your signals?
QSL  Can you acknowledge receipt?
QSM  Shall I repeat the last message?
QSN  Did you hear me?
QSO  Can you communicate with me?
QSP  Will you relay?
QST  General call preceding a message.
QSU  Shall I send or reply on this frequency?
QSW  Will you send on this frequency?
QSX  Will you listen?
QSY  Shall I change frequency?
QSZ  Shall I send each word more than once?
QTA  Shall I cancel message?
QTB  Do you agree with my counting of words?
QTC  How many messages have you to send?
QTH  What is your location?
QTR  What is the correct time?
 
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Go to  http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/qsignals.html for a comprehensive list of Q signals
 
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Go to:
 
 
for info on "z"sigs.
 
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Originally posted by justme justme wrote:

Hand Crank cell phone charger (for obvious reasons)

Just google it. :) You can get one for about $20 USD.

Here is one site that sells it http://www.soscharger.net/ (I have not purchased from them so I can not endorse this company, I am simply giving an example)

 
 
Hi Justme...
 
I just ordered a "Solio" solar-powered cell phone charger. 
 
It has a good review here:  http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11288_7-6427792-3.html?tag=arw   (The "crank" style chargers did not fare as well.)
 
I`ll now find out firsthand how good (or not good) it really is.
 
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thank you everyone for the excellent information  i now know everything i need, within 24 hours, thanks to your help.
 
and now this info is here for all the world to see, for anyone to access
 
the true power of the internet
 
just my 2 cents here:
 
if it gets to the point where i need to listen in, for fear of my own safety, i do NOT want to be transmitting.  i might have a transmitter on hand, but it would be for the great rebuilding, the new society, the time when i can walk down to the town square with it under my arm,  and sit there and wait for someone who knows how to use it to show up, and together we can all figure out how to use whatever we have left.  that is the future i am prepping for, and i will have the resources on hand that i will need, even if i don't have the transmitter.  i have the receiver.  i will know how to find the transmitter if i think i need to.  i will be in control of the situation, to the best of my ability.
 
that is the future i am planning for
 
WHAT ARE YOU GETTING READY FOR?
 
 
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just a quick update on my research and experiences
 
target had nothing is store i could find easily
 
best buy only has them online
 
radio shack seems to be the answer, which is what i initially expected anyway
 
seems that the pro-94 and pro-97 will both meet my needs
 
pro - 97 is my first choice, at least for now
 
i will report back after i get back this afternoon
 
there is a wal-mart next door, just in case, but i never did like going inside  walmart, esp.  when it's crowded
 
walmart has been a great resource to our family these last 2 weeks
 
i still avoid it like the plague, so to speak
 
i remember after katrina, when the gas stations started to close here a few days later, a friend of mine described the mad rush to get the last gas
 
it was like walmart at christmas, she said
 
that says it all.  i always follow the weather, i respect it immensly
i had my gas topped off already, and i waited an extra day - the wife didn't think that we really needed to do it at all.  i tried to tell her otherwise; i explained my reasoning to her.  she pointed out that we still had half a tank, so i bit my tounge and agreed with her.
 
when gas went up 10 cents overnight,  all she had to do was see the sign at the gas station.  i didn't even have to point it out to her.  she noticed the price, and she was pulling into the station to top off without me saying another word.  she is smart.  i know that.  and we still didn't have to wait in line.
 
i would never have let it go that far.
 
thanks again for all the help
 
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i got the pro-97 on sale!
 
$50 off - got the rechargable batteries too, for an extra $20
 
it will work on regular AA batteries as well, just in case.  still in the box, but i am happy
 
very happy
 
for lots of different reasons
 
but that is just me
 
thanks again to everyone who helped!
 
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The people who run this board might want to query all the members to find out who is a HAM.  HAMs have experience organizing communications such as weather nets when sever weather is coming upon a county.  HAM radios can also transmit packets.  In other words, they can become a wireless network.  I would suggest that HAMs form a group and start practicing relaying communications via this group.
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  radio shack has gmrs radios on sale, clearance, for  $29 including batteries and dual slot desktop chargers.
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Originally posted by Spoon Spoon wrote:

CB radios are a great way to communicate when everything else fails.  A standard CB signal only travels about 4-8 miles, but mods can be made.

A friend of mine, who turned me on to this site, has done some research regarding converting base stations.  He found ways to enhance the signal across multiple states.

It's not cheap ($500-$700), but it might be a great way to continue this forum.

I, or my friend, will post more detailed info soon for anyone interested.



Please, do NOT do this!  I'm an air traffic controller and we currently get CB interference from an illegal CB transmitter on one of our ATC frequencies.  Apparently, the CB frequency is something like the 5th harmonic of our ATC frequency and it interferes with our ability to talk to airplanes at times.

The FCC has a REASON for the rules they post.
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  Hi everyone, I am taking a ham radio class.  It is being offered free at the Mormon Church in my area.  I have six weeks left.  I hope i have enough time to finish and take my eaxm.
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*** CAUTION ***
Communications in a pandemic (declared disaster) may not work as expected-

Internet access: may not be working after 3-4 days (saturated, maintenance issues at ISPs, capacity commandeered!)

GMRS/FRS Walkie Talkies: 2-3 mile range (need batteries) - need to work out a link to ham radio RACES operator in advance. Best for neighborhood use/support. GMRS radios require FCC license ($80, no exam). FRS does not seem to need license, but has reduced power (range). GMRS would probably have to be operated on low power, anyway, to conserve batteries.

Telephone: lines probably not available (much capacity commandeered!) May offer spotty service at best.

Cell Phones: failed quickly in 9/11 disaster (after 15 - 30 minutes!) Local "gummint" has the switch, too. Consider it commandeered!

Text Messaging: was partially effective in Katrina disaster, uncertain status in pandemic situation.

Ham radio: may well be limited to RACES operators by law, but probably working to some extent, may also be limited by such law to emergency traffic only. Possible availability for welfare traffic (family member status, etc.).

My recommendations:
(1) Take CERT training (posted this elsewhere, also).
(2) Form a CERT team in your neighborhood.
(3) Get FRS/GMRS radios - buy and learn to use them with your neighbors.
(4) Locate ham radio RACES operator (only for emergencies) He/she can listen on your FRS/GMRS frequencies but cannot speak on them legally. However, he/she may have licensed FRS/GMRS radio, also. Many do.
(5) Practice communicating with your ham operator. He/she may have a path to local Emergency Services (police, fire, medical, etc.).
(6) Work out contact schedules ("skeds") to conserve batteries and time.
(7) Be sure you have enough batteries.
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More on radios:
There are various qualities of GMRS/FRS handheld radios. General purpose consumer grade radios with 22 channels sell for under $40. Better quality radios are available at ham radio stores for about $160. The latter have greater range and use rechargable batteries.
    
Note 1: Check actual frequencies in instruction manual. Channel numbers may not correspond between cheap FRS radios and good GMRS/FRS designs.

Note 2: There are some frequency (channel) limitations in certain regions. Check these for legal operation.

Note 3: Remember to register and get your FCC license for the GMRS radios, which send out high (above 0.5 Watts) power.    
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