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Online Discussion: Tracking new emerging diseases and the next pandemic; Now tracking the Aussie Flu.

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Good job techno.

I'll be working on fixing and adding some things to ebolainfo.org.  The site is currently endexing with the search engines and is about to make a splashdown. With regarding to people searching online for info, that little site should dominate and really bring in a lot of new peeps soon.

Anyway, what helps improve the search engines and this effort is when links are posted on other sites.   If possible, maybe we can sneak a link on our facebook profiles, which will really kick start it.  Or on other forums, etc...  It's probably terrible for me to suggest that one, lol.
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

The Saudi case was not ebola either:


Not so fast - the article you referred to had this:

"The ministry, however, declined to reveal the test results of the deceased, to ascertain if the deceased has been suffering from the Ebola virus."

So he may, or he may not have had Ebola - we will have to await more details (a long time wait if it is like the Saudi reporting in MERS).
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To be frank, once the guy was dead, they probably did not bother with the test.  They have such a bad reputation for containment.  Leave it all up to the will of Allah!
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

No it wouldn't give us much time.  I'm in Long Beach and you're in Sand Diego.  I suppose it has to get thru you first, lol.   We could also go to defcon 5 if it reaches other continents or regions first.

I'm a little surprised that Canada has had no suspected cases.  H5n1 showed up in Canada.  SARS hit Canada first, etc...  They're somewhat of a hot spot.   Usually it's Canada, London, New York/California or Mexico as the wild card.


How I Longo for Dago! Gives me goose bumpsies.

Canada has probebly been more honest than us and Mexico...overly honest? Looking at the current infectious disease maps tracking of spread, Mexico and further south is on the radar. Just a hunch of mine.
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My tipping point is when we have a dozen cases spread out in the U. S.

I inventoried our food yesterday and will fill in the gaps immediately!

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my tipping point too. 

Dozen cases linked in a cluster


I dont actually think it will get there. Lots of hysteria 
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I would like for everyone to dismiss the idea that it doesn't spread easily because it does! They aren't wearing moon suits for nothing.

If the WHO doesn't ban flights out of Africa, then this will quickly become a worldwide disaster.
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Originally posted by Elver Elver wrote:

I would like for everyone to dismiss the idea that it doesn't spread easily because it does! They aren't wearing moon suits for nothing.

If the WHO doesn't ban flights out of Africa, then this will quickly become a worldwide disaster.

Good points!  This outbreak shows the growing commercial influence of the African continent.  

Nigeria is still an OPEC country & major oil exporter, and their economy has been diversifying and growing. 

Liberia is a source of latex & has facilities by Bridgestone-Firestone (Japanese company) taking advantage of the resource.

Nestle is HUGE in Africa, which produces cocoa butter for chocolate.  Lots of other stuff = coffee, minerals, etc.  

Speaking with some in the business community, I get the sense that they are "whistling past the graveyard."  My own financial advisor said it was just "a few cases," a day before CDC activated its EOC and the WHO started holding emergency talks.  The money folks just don't get it, so they will keep flying their junior execs into the jungles to make more cash.  
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

It feels like it afterwards, Rickster - Russian M44. You run out of ammo and you can still stick capitalist pigs with the bayonet (seriously). After that gets too dull, you turn it around and use it like a 2x4.


Not to derail, but check out the light ball 7.62x54r. You're shooting the heavy stuff and yeah, it kicks the piss lot of you.

Its like 147 grain.

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Seems Ebola is now in Mexico...

District Federal.- Jose Antonio Gonzales Figueroa, the first case is confirmed in Mexico and infected with the deadly Ebolavirus. Joseph was admitted and isolated immediately after going to the emergency room with high fever and having confessed that had just returned from vacation in an African country.

The first confirmed case after taking necessary and with the support of the United States government evidence, is in the city of Mexico. Young is a medical student at the UNAM of 22 who went on vacation to an African country and was there for almost a month. Young returned to Mexico on August 2 and was admitted the next day by high fever,vomiting and diarrhea. The young and being treatedand medical staff came to the United States and Mexico today in the morning to determine the best control strategy.

So far the Ministry of Health has issued several statements to the federal government so far have not received any response. The releases include arecommendation to temporarily suspend the return to classes until you confirm that you have controlled the virus. The health secretary said he will continue trying to communicate with the government to prevent a pandemic in Mexico.

WHAT IS THE VIRUS EBOLA?

Ebola is a virus that is found naturally in some species of bats and other birds that have their habitat in the forested areas of Africa. Since her first diagnosis in 1976 18 cases have resulted in several countries: Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Sudan and Gabon. After an incubation time which may take several days to 4 weeks, the initial symptoms are high fever, muscle aches, diarrhea and vomiting that can quickly turn to internal bleeding that can lead to death of the infected, in most cases, . Because there is no known treatment, doctors face this virus trying to relieve their symptoms by strengthening the immune system. A large high percentage of the dead is cleaning staff has been in contact with infected without having complied with the appropriate preventive measures.

The pandemic of Ebola virus that is currently infecting four countries in Africa ah increased exponentially in the last 3 weeks and ah killed at least 338 people in about 6 months. The first cases of Ebola dating from 1971 and it was in Africa that were found. Many people wonder why there is still no cure for this virus if you already have many years of detection. Some experts argue that any organization worldwide ah considered profitable to invest in research for this deadly virus.

From: http://eldiariodechihuahua.mx/El_Pais/2014-08-06/Confirman-primer-caso-de-ébola-en-México/2066c91ca473570526ad0eae6b25250

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Chuck said:   "Speaking with some in the business community, I get the sense that they are "whistling past the graveyard." My own financial advisor said it was just "a few cases," a day before CDC activated its EOC and the WHO started holding emergency talks. The money folks just don't get it, so they will keep flying their junior execs into the jungles to make more cash."

And this is exactly how it will be brought back here, airborne of sorts.
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

No it wouldn't give us much time.  I'm in Long Beach and you're in Sand Diego.  I suppose it has to get thru you first, lol.   We could also go to defcon 5 if it reaches other continents or regions first.

I'm a little surprised that Canada has had no suspected cases.  H5n1 showed up in Canada.  SARS hit Canada first, etc...  They're somewhat of a hot spot.   Usually it's Canada, London, New York/California or Mexico as the wild card.
                                                                                                                                                 This is an older article but I feel it still has some relevance.  This was right as they were determining that this was a new variant strain of the Zaire Ebola virus.  I have a question if some one might know the answer I would appreciate it.  Do health agencies have to confirm all suspected and confirmed cases of Ebola to the public?                                                                                                                                                             bigstory.ap.org/article/man-canadian-hospital-ebola-symptoms
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I hear you. The stuff I've been getting lately is 148 grain and much more comfortable. First time I put 40 rounds of heavy ball milsurp through it, I didn't just get a bruise - my shoulder was purple. Lots of fun seeing all the other shooters at the range jump every time it let loose a two foot fireball, although it's really dirty ammo (and corrosive) and takes a lot of cleaning.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

I hear you. The stuff I've been getting lately is 148 grain and much more comfortable. First time I put 40 rounds of heavy ball milsurp through it, I didn't just get a bruise - my shoulder was purple. Lots of fun seeing all the other shooters at the range jump every time it let loose a two foot fireball, although it's really dirty ammo (and corrosive) and takes a lot of cleaning.


Yeah, they're loud too. You have the carbine. I'm sure it is incredibly loud.

That said, just squirt some Windex in the bore after shooting.

Option b is to get a funnel and dump hot, slightly soapy water down the bore. As it is a bolt action you don't have to worry about getting corrosive in any action. So the only corrosive deposition will be from the throat to the muzzle. The reason it is corrosive is because the primers use fulminate of mercury. When fired it leaves mercuric salts. The water will wash it away.

Afterwards clean as normal.

Old school guns like the Mosin are the penultimate prepper rifle. They're decently accurate, cheap, wicked powerful, and the corrosive ammo will literally last forever. Also they don't draw attention like a big sniper rifle or an AR/AK will. Well... until you fire and its a camera flash accompanied by a hellacious BOOM!
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Another quick heads up - off topic. I've changed a few titles around here and fine tuning some things. For example, jacksdad never asked to be a mod, and now he's the chief moderator. Techno has been made a moderator in the same fashion. Moderating may not be needed that much at the moment, but possibly in the future. Aft prepping, you might say.

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Albert,  Now I have gotten used to it, I love being a moderator.  Tell me what you want of me and I will try my best to do it.  Thanks for the compliment!
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I don't have any other forums I go to currently or I would of already posted the your link. As for posting stories up on EI, I have been doing so here and there but not prolifically as yet as I'm currently working only from my iPhone and it won't let me post clickable links to the sources. My Facebook is currently deactivated due to a situation that is potentially national news at any moment that I am working on. Have been for 33 years.
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No worries onefluover.  It's not needed and I shouldn't have suggested it.   Appreciate it either way.

Techno, nothing needs to be done in the mod area.  It's just for down the road if this place picks up, then you can delete, go after spammers, watch for content, etc...  but that's down the road, maybe.  I'll message you here soon with more info. 

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