Click to Translate to English Click to Translate to French  Click to Translate to Spanish  Click to Translate to German  Click to Translate to Italian  Click to Translate to Japanese  Click to Translate to Chinese Simplified  Click to Translate to Korean  Click to Translate to Arabic  Click to Translate to Russian  Click to Translate to Portuguese


Forum Home Forum Home > Emerging Disease Tracking > MERS Coronavirus
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Does MERS affect Women?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Online Discussion: Tracking new emerging diseases and the next pandemic; Now tracking the Aussie Flu.

Does MERS affect Women?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
Utwig View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 2210
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Utwig Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Does MERS affect Women?
    Posted: June 02 2013 at 11:16am
Hi, Iv'e searched the net, and read a lot of news reports of MERS, and I cannot find any references to Women being infected.  Does anyone have a link to a breakdown of infection by sex?  

Is MERS a Male only infection?
Back to Top
Albert View Drop Down
Admin
Admin


Joined: April 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 38761
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 11:50am
Welcome Utwig.  It just infected a female case in Italy, but the virus definitely favors men for some odd reason.  Not many women have been infected.  Of course in the Middle East women generally wear veils so perhaps that's offered them some protection.  Maybe a mask is the way to go. 
https://www.facebook.com/Avianflutalk
Back to Top
Utwig View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 2210
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Utwig Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 12:10pm
Thank you for the insightful response, veils, makes a lot of sense.  Everything Iv'e read so far seemed to be father to son in family clusters, where the son cared for the Father then later fell ill. An understandably worrying trait.  

This virus has too many unknowns, what animal hosts it, are we only seeing the severe cases of it and a milder form spreading undetected, etc etc.  I'm finding it hard to get in depth information relating to it.  For H7N9 there is a lot, details of its genetic make up, and a whole lot more, but for MERS Cov, there is very little. 

Back to Top
Albert View Drop Down
Admin
Admin


Joined: April 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 38761
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 12:19pm
I'm not sure there are mild cases.  There has been somewhat of a panic throughout the region and a lot of people started showing up at the hospitals with any flu-like symptoms, from what I understand, and I don't believe any of them have ever tested positive.  Not a lot of information regarding a mild case so far - and cases that didn't require hospitalization.  MERS appears to be extremely deadly, but as you mentioned Utwig, not a lot of information out there.
https://www.facebook.com/Avianflutalk
Back to Top
KiwiMum View Drop Down
Advisor Group
Advisor Group
Avatar

Joined: May 29 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 8860
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KiwiMum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 12:25pm
I think that it's affecting men only because we have only been seeing cases from the middle east where it is a man's world. Women are invisible and it's men who are out and about conducting business and strengthening social connections. Women shop (in veils) and hide away at home. Isn't one of the women medical staff in France infected?

I can't see how a respiratory disease can be gender specific.

Albert, what are the symptoms of MERS? I'm struggling to find a description of what happens to someone once they have it. Can you help?

If it is to be, it is up to me.
Back to Top
Utwig View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member
Avatar

Joined: June 02 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 2210
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Utwig Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 12:32pm
Hi, I found this by Dr Ian M. Mackay, PhD.

http://www.uq.edu.au/vdu/VDUMERSCoronavirus.htm

Utwig
Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 39176
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 12:52pm
Nice avatar. Oddly familiar..... LOL

"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 39176
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

I think that it's affecting men only because we have only been seeing cases from the middle east where it is a man's world. Women are invisible and it's men who are out and about conducting business and strengthening social connections. Women shop (in veils) and hide away at home. Isn't one of the women medical staff in France infected?


I think you may be right - a woman's role in a country like Saudi may minimize her exposure. And as Albert pointed out, maybe a veil is helping to reduce the risk too.

Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

Albert, what are the symptoms of MERS? I'm struggling to find a description of what happens to someone once they have it. Can you help?


Principally respiratory distress, but leading to kidney failure in some cases. Being viral there will almost certainly be a fever too.
"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
Albert View Drop Down
Admin
Admin


Joined: April 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 38761
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Nice avatar. Oddly familiar..... LOL



lol
https://www.facebook.com/Avianflutalk
Back to Top
Albert View Drop Down
Admin
Admin


Joined: April 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 38761
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:



Albert, what are the symptoms of MERS? I'm struggling to find a description of what happens to someone once they have it. Can you help?



There's not a lot of info out there Kiwi with regard to symptoms.  So far from what I gather, severe flu-like symptoms, (bacterial) pneumonia, kidney failure, followed by acute death.  Confused



Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 39176
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:11pm
I'll be honest - it's the acute death part that has me worried.
"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 39176
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:19pm
It's believed that viruses can actually facilitate the action of bacteria by allowing them to invade tissues more efficiently, at least in influenza. I wonder if this is doing the same? If so, we could be seeing the kidney failure as a result of pneumonia-induced sepsis that was not treated in time. Sepsis happens fast, and the time from the onset of flu like symptoms to death can be as short as a few days.
"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
Albert View Drop Down
Admin
Admin


Joined: April 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 38761
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:21pm
There is one possible treatment.  Early treatment/intervention with antibiotics.  Although anti-virals won't work, if you can survive the onset (bacterial) pneumonia, and ride-out the virus, you would probably survive.   Again- it's just a best guess at this point. 
https://www.facebook.com/Avianflutalk
Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 39176
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:32pm
Makes sense - Tamiflu and Relenza block surface proteins that coronaviruses don't have so they're as good as useless in a MERS pandemic, but if you can get someone through the bacterial pneumonia maybe it'll stave of the organ failure that seems to be killing people.
"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
FluMom View Drop Down
Senior Admin Group
Senior Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: February 11 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 17876
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FluMom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:48pm
Acute death! ...love you Albert!
Always Be Prepared
Back to Top
FluMom View Drop Down
Senior Admin Group
Senior Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: February 11 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 17876
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FluMom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 1:50pm
Anyone know if you have had the pneumonia shot will that help?

I had one in 2006 since I had pneumonia when I was 38.
Always Be Prepared
Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 39176
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 2:20pm
FluMom - I decided to finally get the pneumonia shot because I read it might help with flu, and caught pneumonia for the first time about a year later Angry
I remember reading a report that indicated that the adult vaccine really didn't seem to make any difference to the incidence of pneumonia, so between that and my personal experience I'm not sure what to tell you. If I can find the article, I'll post it.
"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
jacksdad View Drop Down
Chief Moderator
Chief Moderator
Avatar

Joined: September 08 2007
Location: San Diego
Status: Offline
Points: 39176
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jacksdad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 2:39pm
I found some info. It seems the UK government has now removed the adult vaccine from it's scheduled immunizations because they don't believe it works.

"...The UK government has determined that the adult version of the vaccines, Prevnar pcv-13 by Pfizer, Pneumovax-14 and 23vPS by Merck, are not effective. They even appear to cause more harm than good. They plan to halt the pneumonia vaccine program for people over 65. After millions of injections of the vaccine were given, governmental advisers said the program had no discernible impact on the rate of pneumonia..."

http://lizolivia.hubpages.com/hub/What-Pneumonia-and-Superbugs-Have-in-Common

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1106237/Vaccinating-older-people-pneumonia-waste-time.html

http://www.clinicaladvisor.com/pneumovax-may-not-be-effective/article/130515/#




"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
Back to Top
Albert View Drop Down
Admin
Admin


Joined: April 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 38761
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 5:16pm
I'm not sure if the pneumonia vax will work, but worth getting.   It's the severe pneumonia (bacterial) infection.  They're not giving it early enough, or it's they're antibiotics that are out dated.  Zithromax young gun.
https://www.facebook.com/Avianflutalk
Back to Top
Albert View Drop Down
Admin
Admin


Joined: April 24 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 38761
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 5:21pm
If you can beat the severe pneumonia, piece of cake.  You can always out last a virus and beat it, but not the pneumonia infection.  This one rivals the worst.   Anything that can can battle pneumonia of any sort is worth doing, including the "pneumonia vax".  Maybe it could be that simple.... but who knows.   I'm getting it.  Wink
https://www.facebook.com/Avianflutalk
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down