Does this sound like hemorrhagic fever to you?

I've just seen this news story in the UK's Daily Mail. Very odd. It sure sounds like hemorrhagic fever to me...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13065869/man-dies-lufthansa-flight-a380-bangkok-munich.html

and it's on a plane going to Germany.

[url]https://www.blick.ch/ausland/mann-stirbt-auf-bangkok-flug-schweizer-ehepaar-musste-das-drama-mitansehen-der-absolute-horror-alle-haben-geschrien-id19417734.html[/url] or https://www.blick.ch/ausland/mann-stirbt-auf-bangkok-flug-schweizer-ehepaar-musste-das-drama-mitansehen-der-absolute-horror-alle-haben-geschrien-id19417734.html ;

Man dies on Bangkok flight – Swiss couple had to watch the drama

“The absolute horror, everyone screamed”

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Lufthansa's Airbus A380 is scheduled to take off from Bangkok to Munich promptly at 11:40 p.m. on Thursday. Martin Missfelder (53) and his wife Karin (55) from Birmensdorf ZH are on flight LH773. She is a nursing specialist at the University Hospital in Zurich.

And when she got in, she immediately noticed the poor health of a 63-year-old fellow passenger in the row in front of her, as she tells Blick. “He had cold sweats, was breathing much too quickly, and was already apathetic.”

Captain and doctor check man's condition

He was German and the woman was Filipina. She said that they had to run to the plane very quickly and that that was why he wasn't feeling so well. Karin Missfelder says: “A flight attendant then reacted and asked him if he was okay, she was very worried.” But they still wanted to let him fly.

Karin Missfelder intervenes, goes to a flight attendant and says that a doctor needs to take a look at the man. The captain is now called, who speaks briefly to the man and then reacts. "He then called for a doctor over the loudspeaker - and a young, around 30-year-old man from Poland with poor English looked at the German."

Condition worsens dramatically

But he only asked briefly how he was feeling, felt his pulse and then gave the OK. Martin Missfelder says: “They then gave him a little chamomile tea, but he already spit blood into the bag that his wife held out to him.”

You could still have reacted. But the plane takes off. And the man's condition worsens dramatically. He keeps spitting into the bag - and finally a gush of blood comes out of his mouth and nose. “It was absolute horror, everyone was screaming,” says Missfelder. The man lost liters of blood. The walls were also full.

“It was dead quiet on board”

The flight attendants immediately began resuscitation. “Unfortunately a bit amateurish,” as Karin Missfelder says. “But they lasted about half an hour,” she says. Although it was already clear that the man was no longer alive. “It was dead quiet on board.”

The man is carried into the galley and the plane has to fly back to Bangkok. The captain announced over the loudspeaker that the man had unfortunately died.

Sheer chaos at the airport

What particularly outraged the couple: There was sheer chaos at the airport. Martin Missfelder says: “Nobody looked after us, we waited two hours. There was no care team there, nobody. We all had to go to a counter, where we received a 10-franc voucher.” Eventually they were rebooked via Hong Kong. But the worst thing was that the wife of the deceased passenger had to go through customs alone. “She stood there all alone and apathetic and had to endure all the formalities.”

Missfelder is outraged: "The fact that Lufthansa has no measures in his case, that no one cares about around 30 traumatized passengers around, is unacceptable." He expects an apology from the airline - including to the passenger's wife.

Lufthansa confirms death

Karin Missfelder blames herself: “The man looked so bad, I don’t understand why the captain took off. I should have intervened, but I saw that a doctor was looking after him, so I didn't want to get involved."

The couple has an 18-hour flight ahead of them. “We’re trying to process it somehow now,” says Martin Missfelder.

Lufthansa confirms the death upon request from Blick. In principle, “no further details” can be communicated in such cases.

DJ, So the plane returned to Bangkok, the 63 y/o German man was already in a bad shape before take-of...(for information purpose google translated in English) 

I read somewhere that it was a blood vessel explosion so to speak.  

I agree and the whole thing is just crazy...i wonder if we will ever even find out what happened because they hide everything!  I feel like the way government and media lie to us, we may find out things too late. I used to love when albert was on here because he somehow found out about things way before the average public did!

[url]https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/pulmonary-embolus[/url] or https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/pulmonary-embolus ;

What Is Pulmonary Embolism (Pulmonary Embolus)?

A pulmonary embolism is a sudden blockage in your pulmonary arteries, the blood vessels that send blood to your lungs. It usually happens when a blood clot in the deep veins in your leg breaks off and travels to your lungs.

A blood clot that travels to another part of your body is called an embolus. When an embolus blocks a blood vessel it's called an embolism. When a pulmonary embolus blocks blood flow to your lungs, it's called a pulmonary embolism.

Pulmonary Embolism Causes

The most common cause of a pulmonary embolism is a the breaking off of a blood clot in your leg's deep veins, known as deep vein thrombosis (DVT). Other, rare causes of a pulmonary embolism include:

• Air bubbles
• DVT in the upper body
• Fat embolus, usually from a severely broken bone
• Tumors

You are more likely to develop blood clots if you have risk factors such as:

• Cancer
• Family history of blood clots or clotting disorders
• Heart disease
• Health history of blood clots or clotting disorders
• Long-term use of birth control pills or estrogen therapy

A pulmonary embolism is also more likely to develop after:

• Childbirth
• Heart attack or stroke
• Long plane or car rides
• Long-term bedrest
• Severe injuries, burns or fractures
• Surgery

Pulmonary Embolism Symptoms

You may not have any symptoms of a pulmonary embolism, depending on the size of the clot and your overall health. As blood flow becomes more and more blocked, you may experience symptoms such as:

• Coughing, including a cough that produces bloody mucus
• Dizziness
• Heart palpitations, sensations of your heart racing or pounding
• Leg pain or swelling
• Sharp and sudden chest pain
• Shortness of breath that worsens with exertion

Pulmonary Embolism Complications

A pulmonary embolism can be life-threatening without treatment. It can cause several complications, including:

• Cardiac arrest, when your heart suddenly stops beating
• Cardiac arrhythmia, an irregular heart rhythm
• Pleural effusion, fluid buildup in the membrane around your lungs (pleura
• Pulmonary hypertension, high blood pressure in your lungs
• Pulmonary infarction, when lung tissue dies

Rarely, people have multiple small pulmonary emboli that develop over time. This is called chronic thromboembolic pulmonary hypertension (CTEPH).

Diagnosing a Pulmonary Embolism

To diagnose a pulmonary embolism, your doctor does a physical exam, asks about your symptoms and orders one or more tests such as:

• Blood tests to check if you have an increased risk of blood clotting
• Chest X-rays to take pictures of your heart and lungs
• CT pulmonary angiography, using X-rays and specialized computers to create cross-sectional, 3D images of your lungs and pulmonary arteries
• Doppler ultrasound, using sound waves to look for deep vein thrombosis in your legs
• Echocardiogram to view your heart's structures and blood vessels
• Lab tests, such as pulse oximetry to measure oxygen levels in your blood or arterial blood gas tests to measure the balance of oxygen and carbon dioxide
• Pulmonary angiogram, using a small, hollow tube (catheter) and a contrast dye to see how blood flows through the pulmonary arteries
• Ventilation-perfusion (V/Q) scan, injecting a tracer into your veins to track blood flow and compare it with air flow to check for pulmonary hypertension

Pulmonary Embolism Treatment at Penn Medicine

Rapid treatment for pulmonary embolism is critical for good outcomes. At Penn Medicine, the Pulmonary Embolism Response Team (PERT) provides leading-edge, team-based care for acute (sudden) or chronic (long-lasting) pulmonary embolisms. We were one the of the first PERTs in the country and are among the top 10 most advanced centers in the nation in pulmonary embolism treatment.

We offer a full range of innovative treatments, including investigational therapies. Your treatment may include:

• Medications: Your doctor may prescribe drugs to dissolve the blood clot (thrombolytics) or blood thinners (anticoagulants).
• Clot removal: A physician inserts a catheter through a blood vessel and guides it to your pulmonary arteries. They use special devices inserted through the catheter to break up the clot or pull it out of the artery. Penn specialists use the full range of approved clot removal devices, so you have access to advanced, targeted treatment.
• Inferior vena cava (IVC) filter placement: We use a catheter to position a filter in your inferior vena cava, the main vein that carries blood from your legs to your heart. An IVC filter can help to catch emboli and prevent them from traveling to your heart or lungs.
• Balloon pulmonary angioplasty: We insert a catheter through a blood vessel in your groin and guide it to the pulmonary arteries. Once in position, we inflate a balloon in the blocked artery to open the blockage and restore blood flow. Often, we treat multiple small pulmonary emboli. This treatment is typically used for people with CTEPH.

DJ...that would NOT make it a hemorrhagic fever...or even dengue...

But we may never know. The 63 y/o German died. There reasons of his death could/shoeld (?) be seen as private...

However the circumstances -no medical checks when the man had sympthoms of a very serious healthproblem- deserve "a lot of discussion"...

KiwiMum....say incubation time would be a week...only passengers close to the infected person would catch the virus...in that scenario I am afraid healthcare may NOT link the illness to the flight..

Very likely passengers came from lots of countries. Flight was from Bangkok to Munich-Bavaria-Germany but the news was from a Swiss magazine...Very likely some passengers did take connecting flights...

So...maybe the virus would have been able somehow (droplets on clothing ???) spread to more people on a connecting flight...(maybe older, more vulnerable, passengers...)

Again...I follow also stories on H5N1...it looks like lots of human ceses may be missed because people did NOT show symptoms while they had the virus...

An old 2006 story on "mild" H5N2 infections in Japan [url]https://www.poultryworld.net/home/japanese-poultry-workers-probably-infected-with-mild-bird-flu/[/url] or https://www.poultryworld.net/home/japanese-poultry-workers-probably-infected-with-mild-bird-flu/ ;

Japan’s Health Ministry reported that 93 poultry farm workers may have been exposed to a mild form of the bird flu virus last year.

DJ Very likely healthy persons with good immunity...

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/16/two-poultry-workers-test-positive-for-bird-flu-in-england[/url] or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/16/two-poultry-workers-test-positive-for-bird-flu-in-england ;

Two poultry workers have tested positive for bird flu after coming into contact with infected birds on the same farm in England, according to the UK Health Security Agency.

The cases were picked up through a screening programme for people who have come into close contact with the virus, though neither individual suffered symptoms and both have since tested negative.

DJ...my view is that it may be very easy to MISS a disease...

-the virus may be detectable only a short time

-the infection my give NO symptoms

-we are hardly testing...

So...spread of a disease may be very hard to follow...contact-tracing needs a lot of in time testing...

Some people can carry a virus-infect (lots of) others without getting any symptomes themselves...

Again...interesting (detective) story...