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Originally posted by Germ Nerdier Germ Nerdier wrote:

It was 16 years.

I knew something didn't seem right with that story.



Originally posted by onefluover onefluover wrote:

Earth years or Mars years?

Good point Wink


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Originally posted by Medclinician2013 Medclinician2013 wrote:

It is not only airborne- it has also be weaponized.

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2014/10/health-alert-ebola-is-airborne-video-2552384.html

Confirmation...

Published on Oct 8, 2014

 

Evidence now suggests the NBC cameraman contracted Ebola via airborne exposure as did the Spanish nurse. In this clip Dr. Rima Laibow CONFIRMS that Ebola is not only airborne but it is weaponized.

It is real. It is patented and it can spread in colder climates.

Medclinclician

Is everyone afraid to touch this story.  I see a lot of meandering on this thread.

Does this prove Ebola is airborne and do we have 8 patents on it developed by the U.S. Military.

Feel free to jump in here and address this.


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no had touched the fact we may have made the virus as a weapon.  Any comments on that.

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With all due respect, I have a hard time with that one, Med. If it is man made, they did a pretty crappy job because it's not exactly flying around the globe - any seasonal cold or flu virus would have left it in the dust by now. Chuck has mentioned that Soviet scientists tried and failed to weaponize Ebola back during the cold war, and granted technology has come a long way since then, but that doesn't explain why it's been almost exclusively grounded in West Africa since December.  I don't want to minimize the truly horrific loss of life in Africa in any way, but in the grand scheme of things it's still a localized epidemic in three small countries with a handful of isolated cases outside of Africa. Weaponized Ebola conjures up an image of something with a much bigger reach than we've seen this virus demonstrate so far, especially in light of the ease with which Nigeria and Senegal apparently managed to stop it within their borders.
To put it in perspective, this is Texas in comparison to the size of the region affected.






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"any seasonal cold or flu virus would have left it in the dust by now"

Buy more ammo!
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Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:

"any seasonal cold or flu virus would have left it in the dust by now"


Who's up for a novel co-infection?
Eboluenza?  Nuke


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I had that once. The worst part was not being able to pronounce it.
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GN- Sounds like a bad movie plot! Scarier than Sharknado!
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JD,

It's pronounced "pffftt"

;)


arirish,

I saw that movie! Well not quite. I tried to watch it.. think I made it to the scene where the bar is destroyed.


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Let's pronounce it CDC has admitted Ebola may be airborne.

http://theantimedia.org/cdc-admits-ebola-airborne/

According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Tom Frieden, the Ebola virus might be airborne.

It’s the single greatest concern I’ve ever had in my 40-year public health career,” said Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “I can’t imagine anything in my career- and this includes HIV- that would be more devastating to the world than a respiratory transmissible Ebola virus.”

Experts are increasingly expressing fears that the Ebola virus can spread through droplets suspended in the air. This would explain the unprecedented increase in the number of Ebola cases in 2014. You probably didn’t hear about it on the corporate news, but a little less than 2 months ago the CDC updated their criteria for Ebola transmission to include “being within 3 feet” or “in the same room” as someone infected with the virus.

comment: the CDC updated their criteria for Ebola transmission to include “being within 3 feetor “in the same room” as someone infected with the virus.

A study conducted in 2012 showed the Ebola virus was able to travel between pigs and monkeys that were in separate cages and never placed in direct contact.

Dr. Gary Kobinger, from the National Microbiology Laboratory at the Public Health Agency of Canada, told BBC News nearly two years ago that he believed Ebola was spread by droplets suspended in the air.

What we suspect is happening is large droplets; they can stay in the air, but not long; they don’t go far,” he explained. “But they can be absorbed in the airway, and this is how the infection starts, and this is what we think, because we saw a lot of evidence in the lungs of the non-human primates that the virus got in that way.”

This strain of Ebola is not Ebola Zaire. This is a new strain. According to the CDC, this virus is genetically 97% similar to the Zaire strain. I don’t know about you, but my DNA is 97% similar to orangutans.

comment: So, as I have been saying for months, these definition things do not solve the issue that it can be transmitted by a sneeze or by someone in the same room.  This would include a hospital ER waiting room.

When the head of the CDC begins modifying his statements, one can only imagine the real facts and realities of this behind the media spin.

Saying over and over, well if it was really that contagious and lethal people would be dropping in the streets... it is only just got out of Africa and looking at how well it is spreading in Africa, there are many places in the world where the sanitation and health care is not that much better.

If we  have a new variant which does better in cold weather as opposed to the tropics where the heat actually slows the spread of the new strain down, we are going to see it moving through Europe and colder climates.

There are certainly issues or statements one would rather not be right about, and this is certainly one of them.  An Ebola which even can spread to someone 3 feet from you can do a lot of infecting in buses and anywhere people are standing close... i.e. India - or Mecca.

This definitely pushes us to truly begin preparing for a host of new diseases and as we begin a new Flu season.

"Don't Panic, Prepare." 

Do begin reading here and other places and learn how to deal with situations of no water, no power, and no medical help of any kind when you may be on your own. I do thank the people who are helping me gather more information which will be coming out soon to you.  When the head of CDC and WHO begin issuing more disturbing statements, you know it is the tip of the iceberg. 

Currently the mainstream media is neither reliable or consistent and totally misreported the death of the gentleman in Texas stating when he was deceased he was still alive. Israel reported the death and unfortunately the media outside the U.S. is often out there with the facts much quicker.

The numbers being reported as far as cases and deaths are not accurate. They are based on very limited tests and even some of those tests are giving us false negatives.

Day by day- for the REAL news- where and if you can find it.

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Originally posted by Medclinician2013 Medclinician2013 wrote:

Let's pronounce it CDC has admitted Ebola may be airborne.


I'd like to double dog dare it not airborne, but it doesn't quite work that way, Med. Nice try, though. And the pigs again? Really?
And there is a huge difference between transmitting by a sneeze at close quarters, and infecting everyone in a room. A layman might be forgiven for muddying the rather broad distinction between airborne (respiratory) and droplet (contact) transmission, but I know you're smarter than that, Med. I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to pick a fight or stifle discussion, but I think you're conveniently reading things into the same flawed science (yep - the pigs/monkeys, and Reston).

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Med thanks for the post


I'm not gonna get into the whole air borne angels head pin thingBig smile


"IN THE SAME ROOM"

tells me all I need to know about how easily this stuff spreads


"IN THE SAME ROOM"

DAMN !!!!!!

glad the CDC is finally coming around

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Ebola Expert: Virus May Soon Go Airborne


http://www.prisonplanet.com/ebola-expert-virus-may-soon-go-airborne.html


watch the brief video from ebola expert



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not gonna wade in on the whole air borne/droplet thingy

but this article brings up some interesting points

Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air


"However, the US National Institutes of Health reported in 2005 that 50% of bio-aerosols were found to be less than 5 microns in diameter. The NIH calculated that after correcting for dead space and lung deposition, “N95 filtering facepiece respirators seem inadequate against microorganisms.”

CIDRAP warns in regards to N95 respirators, “Healthcare workers have experienced very high rates of morbidity and mortality in the past and current Ebola virus outbreaks. A facemask, or surgical mask, offers no or very minimal protection from infectious aerosol particles.”



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www.prisonplanet.com -----  That sounds like a trustworthy source!!!!
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Originally posted by guest guest wrote:

www.prisonplanet.com -----  That sounds like a trustworthy source!!!!


once again

they are merely the messenger


the question is


is the story accurate?


personally speaking I dont care who delivers it


2+2 still equals 4 whether an angel says it or the devil

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10/15/14 

All sources and people considered considering the likely spread of Ebola to millions of people, even with the denials it is airborne, the odds continue to increase it will be.  This, is of course, the worse scenario - one our global medical system cannot handle, the infrastucture, or our society.

The denials are getting weaker in terms of what will happen when there are more cases and more mutations. The CDC  has stated there is a risk and despite denials, are isolating people and containing the air.  The standard precautions including the masks used for health care workers do not keep them from catching this. This is illustrated by what few are reported. Also Ebola is outside of West Africa now.

Lately, I have been talking to much more conservative people, including those who either are in or involved with the system, the monitoring, and far more than just google news reports.

It is unfair not to warn people they should prepare and many of the main media are misreporting dates and facts about Ebola. 

I am told that the "street smart" and those living in the South and used to some pretty harsh winters. To be continued



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and when you see a group like DOctors Without Borders so seriously affected

some alarm bells should be going off

these guys are WELL experienced working in Africa and with ebola


16 from Doctors Without Borders have Ebola

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationw...estafrica.html



and you make a very good point

about the denials getting weaker

I have noticed that too

the evidence is mounting that something is different this time around




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZC27IQ037I

check this out
as we need to do something!!
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and the chorus is growing


Doctor: Ebola Might Be Transmitted In Air Via “Droplets”


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/doctor-ebola-might-be-transmitted-by-air/


"The executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons says that despite what the CDC is saying, Ebola might be transmitted by breathing.

“What we’re suggesting is that it is very dangerous to assume that one cannot ever acquire Ebola from an aerosol or from breathing,” said Dr. Jane Orient."


"Dr. Orient says that when an aerosol dries up, droplet nuclei remain suspended in the air for a long time. A recent research study suggests that Ebola could remain infectious in an aerosol for more than an hour."


"The droplets are “just too small” to be captured by standard medical masks, says Dr. Orient. A possible solution? Powered, air-purifying respirators for healthcare workers."



your kidding me right ???

"“First, Ebola is not spread through the air like the flu,” said President Obama. “You cannot get it from casual contact like sitting next to someone on a bus.”

Thomas Frieden, director of the CDC, vetted the message on Wednesday, calling it “accurate”.


Frieden here PROVES his incompetence by vetting Obama's erroneous remarks


and I am certainly no expert on infectious diseases

BUT

I have been saying this for a long time

"Dr. Orient also takes issue with the CDC’s conclusion that a person is not infectious until symptoms are present."


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Ebola is partially airborne. Although there are dozens of threads, it can be spread by a cough and much of what is on the media is not accurate.

There is no Ebola hysteria. Perhaps in the press they are beating to death a few cases, but the overall public still do not seem to exhibit any reaction to an epidemic which does not exist in the U.S.

Money is being made on this scare and even the president is grandstanding and making comments which are completely inacccurate.

The back and forth argument of whether this is airborne is academic. It is partially airborne, just not weaponized. We can beat this subject to death, but if it were really spreadable it would be all over.

So for once, I will be the conservative voice.  Obviously, it is mutating at records rates. Over 300x and it could go very airborne no matter who says what. It could.

If there was hysteria there would be long lines at the supermarkets, stocks would be crashing, and people would  be dead n the streets like they are in West Africa.

We rarely touch and bury our own dead. This is not, for the most part a wet tropical country with bad santiation and few medical resourcdes.

Sadly, it is not Ebola that is even the main problem, though it is very lethal i.e. 52-70%. It is D68 which is sweeping across America like wildfire.

Ebola can be passed by a sneeze or a kiss. Doing a Lady Diana trick like hugging an HIV patient proves nothing. It can spread on a plane or cruise ship or they would not be taking precautions now for 46 DAYS (not 23) as the incubation period.

Can it spread before there are symptoms? It is possible. 

http://www.naturalnews.com/047267_Ebola_outbreak_incubation_period_viral_transmission.html

that's right - NaturalNews) A jaw-dropping report released by the World Health Organization on October 14, 2014 reveals that 1 in 20 Ebola infections has an incubation period longer than the 21 days which has been repeatedly claimed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.


CDC's credibility is suffering a worse hit that than the current administration or even congress or the Health Care Disaster Plan.  Many things states as absoute are false. Blatantly false.

This is not Tin Hat.  We don't have to go to Alex (the shiniest hat in the bunch) to find blaring errors and mess ups in the treatment and handling of Ebola.

Yet, I have been asked imho - is this going to go Pandemic or even epidemic.

Well, for starters, compared to the misinformation that is out there, I can at least put out a little more realistic idea.  It could... and if it does- we are in big trouble.

Hysteria- try prepping instead - Don't Panic - Prepare.  You don't have to lose your God given common sense about this. Ebola is a threat in America. Anyone who tell you it is not is lying.  Yet, right now it has not mutated enough to wipe us out.

We need to stay on this? In a day it could change. It really could to true airborne. Forget the line of doctors and health experts. Viruses make their own rules and we certainly don't understand even half of them of what they can and cannot do.

Personally, I will stay on top of this no matter who says what. They are cleaning aircraft and cruise ships like it is airborne or at least highly contagious.  They are putting patient in air isolation whether are not they will say it is airborne.

There are opinions and there are realities. It can be spread by a cough. It can be spread by a kiss. And you can get it if you are 3 feet away from another person long enough.

Reality.

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