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CDC: Ebola Spiraling Out Of Control
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta/AP) — The director for the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention says that the Ebola outbreak is going to get worse.
Speaking to “CBS This Morning” following his trip to the West African countries dealing with the outbreak, Dr. Tom Frieden explained that they have to act now to try to get Ebola under control.
“It is the world’s first Ebola epidemic and it is spiraling out of control. It’s bad now and it’s going to get worse in the very near future,” Frieden told CBS News. “There is still a window of opportunity to tamp it down, but that window is closing. We really have to act now.”


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Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

CDC: Ebola Spiraling Out Of Control
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta/AP) — The director for the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention says that the Ebola outbreak is going to get worse.
Speaking to “CBS This Morning” following his trip to the West African countries dealing with the outbreak, Dr. Tom Frieden explained that they have to act now to try to get Ebola under control.
“It is the world’s first Ebola epidemic and it is spiraling out of control. It’s bad now and it’s going to get worse in the very near future,” Frieden told CBS News. “There is still a window of opportunity to tamp it down, but that window is closing. We really have to act now.”


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They have been saying this for weeks, but we don't see that they are doing anything!!! They should have been on this immediately and instead they TALK about it.  
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When "the window" to stop it ends, as he said,  I'm assuming we will be facing a pandemic.

Frieden is doing a good job spelling it out.


CDC Director: Ebola Outbreak ‘Is Spiraling Out Of Control’

September 2, 2014 12:04 PM

Director of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Tom Frieden testifies during a hearing before the Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights and International Organizations Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Aug. 7, 2014 on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. (credit: Alex

ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta/AP) — The director for the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention says that the Ebola outbreak is going to get worse.

Speaking to “CBS This Morning” following his trip to the West African countries dealing with the outbreak, Dr. Tom Frieden explained that they have to act now to try to get Ebola under control.

“It is the world’s first Ebola epidemic and it is spiraling out of control. It’s bad now and it’s going to get worse in the very near future,” Frieden told CBS News. “There is still a window of opportunity to tamp it down, but that window is closing. We really have to act now.”

Frieden, who visited Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, will tell Washington tomorrow that the Ebola outbreak is “spiraling upward.” The CDC director explained that these countries still need help to deal with the deadly outbreak.

“We need to support countries with resources, with technical experts and with cooperation. Too many places are sealing off these countries,” Frieden told CBS News. “If we do that, paradoxically, it’s going to reduce safety everywhere else. Whether we like it or not, we’re all connected and it’s in our interest to help them tamp this down and control it.”

Frieden said that they cannot wait for vaccines to deal with the disease.

“Vaccines and treatments may come along, but right now what we have are tried and true methods that we have to scale up. They have worked in prior outbreaks but we are not getting to scale,” Frieden told “CBS This Morning.” “The epidemic is going faster than we are. We need to scale up our response. We can hope for new tools and maybe they’ll come, but we can’t count on them.”

During a CDC briefing Monday afternoon, Frieden reiterated his comments to CBS News and said that the outbreak is “now increasing rapidly.”

“This is not just a problem for West Africa, not just a problem for Africa, it’s a problem for the world and the world needs to respond,” Frieden said.

He added: “We need help now. We know how to stop it.”

An experimental drug, ZMapp, recently healed all 18 monkeys infected with the deadly virus in a study, boosting hopes that the treatment might help fight the outbreak raging through West Africa — once more of it can be made.

The monkeys were given the drug three to five days after they were infected with the virus and when most were showing symptoms. That is several days later than any other experimental Ebola treatment tested so far.

The drug also completely protected six other monkeys given a slightly different version of it three days after infection in a pilot test. These two studies are the first monkey tests ever done on ZMapp.

“The level of improvement was utterly beyond my honest expectation,” said one study leader, Gary Kobinger of the Public Health Agency of Canada in Winnipeg.

“For animal data, it’s extremely impressive,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which had a role in the work.

It’s not known how well the drug would work in people, who can take up to 21 days to show symptoms and are not infected the way these monkeys were in a lab.

Several experts said it’s not possible to estimate a window of opportunity for treating people, but that it was encouraging that the animals recovered when treated even after advanced disease developed.

The study was published online Friday by the journal Nature.

ZMapp had never been tested in humans before two Americans aid workers who got Ebola while working in Africa were allowed to try it. The rest of the limited supply was given to five others.

There is no more ZMapp now, and once a new batch is ready, it still needs some basic tests before it can be tried again during the African outbreak, Fauci said. “We do need to know what the proper dose is” in people and that it’s safe, he said.

Ebola has killed more than 1,500 people this year and the World Health Organization says there could be as many as 20,000 cases before the outbreak is brought under control. Last Friday, it spread to a fifth African country — Senegal, where a university student who traveled there from Guinea was being treated.

There is no approved vaccine or specific treatment, just supportive care to keep them hydrated and nourished. Efforts have focused on finding cases and tracking their contacts to limit the disease, which spreads through contact with blood and other fluids.

ZMapp is three antibodies that attach to cells infected with Ebola, helping the immune system kill them.

Of the seven people known to have been treated with ZMapp, two have died — a Liberian doctor and a Spanish priest. The priest received only one of three planned doses. The two Americans recovered, as have two Africans who received ZMapp in Liberia — a Congolese doctor and a Liberian physician’s assistant who were expected to be released from a treatment center on Saturday. A British nurse also got the drug, reportedly the two unused doses left over from treating the Spanish priest.

Doctors have said there is no way to know whether ZMapp made a difference or the survivors recovered on their own, as about 45 percent of people infected in this outbreak have.

ZMapp’s maker, Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc., of San Diego, has said the small supply of the drug is now exhausted and that it will take several months to make more. The drug is grown in tobacco plants and was developed with U.S. government support.

Kobinger said it takes about a month to make 20 to 40 doses at a Kentucky plant where the drug is being produced. Officials have said they are looking at other facilities and other ways to ramp up production, and Kobinger said there were plans for a clinical trial to test ZMapp in people early next year.


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At this point the way that things are looking, I don't think that it can be stopped..
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Frieden's job is basically to protect Americans and may have less sway elsewhere as Chan does. However, for him to protect his homeland he must beat it there first. Like I said. Tough job for him. I think the window closed months ago.
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You just may be right onefluover. Thanks for being here and giving us all your insight!
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Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

CDC: Ebola Spiraling Out Of Control
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta/AP) — The director for the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention says that the Ebola outbreak is going to get worse.
Speaking to “CBS This Morning” following his trip to the West African countries dealing with the outbreak, Dr. Tom Frieden explained that they have to act now to try to get Ebola under control.
“It is the world’s first Ebola epidemic and it is spiraling out of control. It’s bad now and it’s going to get worse in the very near future,” Frieden told CBS News. “There is still a window of opportunity to tamp it down, but that window is closing. We really have to act now.”


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comment: Okay Coyote - something is wrong here. Having dealth with CDC and their spin factory for years - it is not like them to say "Spiraling out of Control." This is odd. Question - If a national emergency is declared, isn't that equivalent to an impending nuclear attack as far as presidential power goes?  Don't we then see all the E.O.s kick in? (executive orders) - what better way to justify this than have CDC ring the alarm. Remember when they said more damage would be caused by the panic than the disease?  Most important in terms of act now ... with what... a crippled health care system, poor economy, and an airborne virus which we have been talking about for months... years... in fact.. when they could have done something about it? 

We  need the vaccine yesterday. Let's hope they start cranking up production but the bottom line is who will pay for this and who will recieve the vaccine?

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I still think this was the secret purpose for Obamas un scheduled return to the White House a couple weeks ago. Remember the timing coincided with the UN and WHO announcing a plan but not spelling out what exactly that plan was.
To me it means it involves the use of force in some way.
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I am part of the staff in the emergency operations center in one of the largest cities on the west coast and there is an eerie silence regarding ebola. No plans, no scenarios, nothing coming from the feds or the state. Either they are feeling sure it wont get here, ignorant, maybe both. All I get from them is "It isnt going to happen here."
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Originally posted by quietprepr quietprepr wrote:

I am part of the staff in the emergency operations center in one of the largest cities on the west coast and there is an eerie silence regarding ebola. No plans, no scenarios, nothing coming from the feds or the state. Either they are feeling sure it wont get here, ignorant, maybe both. All I get from them is "It isnt going to happen here."

Do they have any plans for any epidemic other than ostrich plan? I find it outrageous that there isn't even a hint of a plan. No scenarios nothing but crickets? How can they live with themselves with that attitude? I'll keep ya'll in my prayers and so forth. This really upsets me to no end.
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Interesting. They cannot possibly know that Ebola cannot take root here. Anyone can be skeptical or have more than an educated guess but no one can know for sure and to claim so is for a fool and a dangerous person or group.
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Anyone seen the WHO lately? Margaret Chan was accused of a cover up during the SARS outbreak and I believe they're up to their old tricks. I would listen to Frieden on this thing. When the window closes - we're probably facing a pandemic. Chan....  




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Why on earth would anyone downplay and disregard such a horrible and serious virus? This just isn't right. It's time for people to start demanding global response on this matter. Why haven't the numbers been updated?? Why is it taking so long to get updates? Why is this being so hush-hush? It may not be here in our country, but we have every reason to be concerned, if not for ourselves.. for others. Something just isn't right here. If it takes a panic to wake people up and get them motivated, then so be it. This is a serious situation and needs to be addressed as someone said, "yesterday". This is totally and thoroughly ridiculous, the way in which this is being handled.
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I really did not want to post my thoughts, but i will.

It feels as though the silence we hear is them trying to figure out when to pull the trigger on the bad news, if you think of this in the micro/ macro sense.

The CDC director is sounding a shrill alarm...in every interview now, he is using language tone that i have not heard from someone in his position.

I am still suspecting much more effective transmission (extended range) than we are being told.

I feel a slow ramp up in rhetoric, and bureaucratic panic amongst the medical community.

I have to wonder what behind the scene preparations the "establishment" is making. Maybe the Saline shortage has something to do with it...idk

Personally, I am paying extra special attention too potential shortage items, and high demand items.
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This could be a little bumpy in the upcoming weeks and months. 
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Neither the WHO nor the CDC believe that air travel should be restricted.

So what exactly is wrong with that picture?

If this spreads globally, and I think it is only a matter of time, then they are to blame.
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They won't impose any flight restrictions or do anything that might cause the airlines to stop going into W. Africa because they need personnel and supplies.   So there will probably never be flight restrictions.  The WHO believes more in the humanitarian approach of jeopardizing the entire world in order to protect the African slums.   It's the way the WHO works as they like to be impartial.

What they need to is to close all borders in W. Africa with no exception and impose immediate flight restrictions.  Whoever is currently there, well, they would be stuck there and will just have to ride it out.  The UN and WHO can request to use military transport planes for personnel and supplies instead of using commercial airliners.
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Yeah. I'm not going for that about stopping public flights in and out will prevent medical personnel from access. They can coordinate public aircraft for use strictly for humanitarian people or charter their own planes. We're going to be talking billions of dollars before long. Some airlines may even donate service and others may be forced at gunpoint if necessary.
Nobody should be going in and out at this point except healthcare and related people.
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Besides, the WHO and various other officials have been asking for help from other countries for awhile now, and other countries are not exactly running over to assist. Exactly who are they expecting the world and other countries to send over there? Nobody in their right mind is going to do it. Are they expecting canada to help? Well they just pulled out. Even the WHO pulled it's own team out of East Sierra Leonne, and then you hear Chan saying to please send people over, lol. Not too reassuring for the other players. Doubtful they will get much from other countries, except for maybe financial support. There is really no sense in keeping commercial planes going in and out as an inticement or to trick/pursuade healthcare workers in going over. Seems to me they're not going.
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That does make sense. I don't see the army of helpers lining up in response to the WHO's calling, free peanuts and pop included. I'd of gone earlier on when there was reasonable hope. Now I wouldn't touch it with Reshats gloved hands.
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Originally posted by quietprepr quietprepr wrote:

I am part of the staff in the emergency operations center in one of the largest cities on the west coast and there is an eerie silence regarding ebola. No plans, no scenarios, nothing coming from the feds or the state. Either they are feeling sure it wont get here, ignorant, maybe both. All I get from them is "It isnt going to happen here."


Like the movie 2012. "When they tell you it is fine that is when you RUN!"

I am have put in fresh water, organized my stuff, and am slowly adding to my gloves, and adding face covers. Just want to make sure it isn't going to happen here...sure!
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The way I look at it is similar to what we do in conflicts i.e. such as with Iraq, or Afghanistan, etc....  We shouldn't get too involved by sending personnel and simply send money and resources and let them deal with it.  Africa is a big place, albeit a cesspool of sorts, but they have plenty of healthcare workers who just need to be equipped and trained.  Africa needs to get involved too - and maybe they need to be empowered a little more to deal with it.   They should suspend all flights and help equip them.  It's their only move to keep the world safe - which should be the WHO's priority.   They also need to seal off every border in W. Africa.   It's not too difficult to figure out.   BY  not suspending all flights they are putting us all at risk.  Further, the CDC should scale back and focus on protecting America with better airport checks (thermal scans), advising healthcare professionals, advising the public, etc...  We will soon have a panic on our hands no matter what as flu season approaches, and meanwhile our best team (CDC) is in the African slums?   One thing is for sure is that CIDRAP will be of know help in any capacity as they've shown so far. 

The WHO has 8,500 employees in 150 different countries.  Maybe the WHO itself also needs to get more involved and get their hands dirty instead of having the CDC do it.  It's their job and what they signed up for.  They have more employees than there are Ebola cases.  Imposing no flight restrictions to entice other countries to easily come on in is a rather reckless move if you ask me.  The WHO is the size of a mini army, but apparently they want to protect their own and put us all in harms way.  Chan needs to use their thousands of employees to equip and train Africa.




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...(the WHO) have more employees than there are Ebola cases...


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Imposing no flight restrictions to entice other countries to easily come on in is a rather reckless move if you ask me.  The WHO is the size of a mini army, but apparently they want to protect their own and put us all in harms way.  Chan needs to use their thousands of employees to equip and train Africa.




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Like the movie 2012. "When they tell you it is fine that is when you RUN!"
That is basically how I see it...they will say everything is fine until it unravels in a shockingly short amount of time.
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The CDC has 14,000 employees.  Between the CDC and WHO they have a staff of 23,000 people.   It's a little confusing why they're hardly sending many of their own personnel when they're the experts on disease outbreaks and controlling them, as well as that being their role and job.   They're asking the world to help, but this is why the world already created their organizations, lol.  THEY are the ones that need to step it up and to stop begging the world for help.  It's what they signed up for.  It's like watching a house burn and no fire fighters will pick up a hose.  Confused

I believe the CDC has around 80 personnel over there and the WHO has about the same.   I suppose the other 22,800 employees have more important things to deal with.  


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WHO and CDC personnel are smart because they know the danger this EVD presents with 90% kill rate... don't be fooled by the 54% kill rate based on the CDC numbers... it is close to impossible to recover if one doesn't have the proper medicine (none existent) and proper nutrition(some of these poor people eat a meal a day if lucky... so go figure)...
They are begging the world governments to send people because they are expecting someone to respond...
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

The CDC has 14,000 employees.  Between the CDC and WHO they have a staff of 23,000 people.   It's a little confusing why they're hardly sending many of their own personnel when they're the experts on disease outbreaks and controlling them, as well as that being their role and job.   They're asking the world to help, but this is why the world already created their organizations, lol.  THEY are the ones that need to step it up and to stop begging the world for help.  It's what they signed up for.  It's like watching a house burn and no fire fighters will pick up a hose.  Confused

I believe the CDC has around 80 personnel over there and the WHO has about the same.   I suppose the other 22,800 employees have more important things to deal with.  


Or better yet, like one or two firefighters showing up while the rest stay in station and put out a news release asking for the public to go help. -After the house is engulfed. Or saying they have the money to maintain the firehouse packed full of staff but no money to go fight any fires. Not to use firefighters for comparison--they are all Hero's.

This is kind of a good example of the value and price of government jobs. -not all mind you but many. Personally I think CDC and WHO staff are almost exclusively administrative. I think the percentage that don boots is very slim. Theyre seeking half a billion dollars for what? To hire and or subcontract boots? As long as we all understand that, I guess. I never saw them as much more anyway.
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Other than some sort of overly committed missionary group going over, I doubt they'll get anything more than money.   What doctors and nurses would possibly want to jump in the middle of that.  A bad time to be in the disease field. 


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Yeah, well there is that.
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Realistically, I would take 25,000 of the lowest level prisoners who have already demonstrated SOME competency (if there can be such a thing-besides myself of course ), train them and send them over for 6 months of hard labor and if they do their task and make it out alive I would free them. They did something like this with Calif wildfires but I think one of them raped someone while their house burned down er something.
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