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Originally posted by prepmeister prepmeister wrote:

  He said is is a 5000 watt unit and he only wants $50 for it.  He is moving and can't afford the weight.
 
You jump on that puppy like a bird on a June bug!!!
 
When you get it home, fill with freash gas, start it and let it idle for 10 mins. This warms the engine prior to loading after sitting for so long. Then plug in at least 2000 watts of equipment one at a time and run for 30 mins. Do not start the gen set with equipment plugged in. Do this at least every two or three months.
 
After your first run, change the oil! I use synthetic. Then follow the recommended oil change interval.
 
Let us know how it works!
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Originally posted by twoolf twoolf wrote:

  Any suggestions for a FAST battery charger to use while the generator is running?
 
Deep cycles (D-C) DO NOT like rapid charges. That will reduce the number of recharges the batt will take in it's lifetime.
 
Unfortunately deep cycles require a stepped and slower charging protocol. Be sure to buy a charger with the deep cycle capability and at least a 10 amp setting!  Mine has a 20/10/5 capability. Your D-C batts will reward you with hundreds of recharges.
 
I have had no issues with just recharging for a few hours to top 'em off.
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2ifbyC,
 
Thanks for the info, as you recommended, I went out tonight and found a deep cycle Black and Decker charger that even has a mode that you can select if it is a GEL battery or even AGM.  Although it has 15/10/5 amp capability. 
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Originally posted by prepmeister prepmeister wrote:

even has a mode that you can select if it is a GEL battery or even AGM.  
 
Nice! I wasn't aware that they have progressed that far. My charger is about 6/7 years old.
 
Have you nabbed that gen set yet?
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The Guy (good friend) will be moving in about 2-3 weeks.  He said he will bring a truck to my house wiht the generator at that time.  He did say it was in excellent condition.  I can't wait.  For now I am trying to get everything else in place.
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I found what looks to be a fairly fast small battery charger that accomadates C's an D's NiMH batteries in about 2-5 hours that would probably be good if you need these type of batteries.  Most NiMH 15 minute chargers are only for AA/AAA batteries.  Could possibly hookup to an inverter if needed.  It is a bit pricey though.  This might be good for those rainy days that solar battery chargers fail you.
 
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We have been discussing the merits, uses and selection of generators, inverters, chargers and batteries. Now I would like to introduce the subject of DC power adapters. This allows you to run some devices without using an inverter.

 

First, many of our smaller devices are powered by an AC (Alternating Current) adapter that plugs into the wall outlet and provides DC (Direct Current) voltage, normally 3-12 VDC. Any device with a DC power jack can be powered by a battery and Universal DC Adapter, saving your AA/AAA/etc. batteries for when you are out and about.

 

What you need:

 

12 VDC battery

Universal DC adapter Ė i.e.  http://www.laptoptravel.com/Product.aspx?ID=2019 . This adapter comes with a set of the most common connection adapters and is 3-12 VDC selectable.

 

Power Adapter with Battery Clips - http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&&storeId=10001&langId=-1&productId=189015&ref=81902 .

 

Determine the proper voltage by looking at the device data label or the AC adapter. Select the proper voltage on the universal DC adapter. Determine which plug adapter to use for your device. Clip the female adapter battery clips to the 12 VDC battery observing proper polarity. Plug the male DC adapter into the female adapter. Now youíre good to go.

 

Itís easier to do than to describe. Maybe this will help:

 

Battery <<clips > female DC adapter << selectable DC adapter >> connector adapter >> device

 

Feel free to ask any questions if I have confused you!



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2ifbyC,
 
You must have electricity in your blood.  You are awesome!  What a great idea.  I'll be buying these items as well.  It really gives you more flexibility to have this setup as well for portable electronics.  Thanks for teaching me this.  Who knows, your knowledge could end up making a big difference for my family.  I really appeciate it.
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Aw shucks... Just trying to ante up on all the great info I've retrieved from the rest of ya'll.
 
I am a gadget guy. During our 'canes down here I have a TV, shortwave radio, police scanner and computer going just 'bout 24/7. Y2K was my first attempt at 'being prepared'. I still have and use items that come in very handy when the lights go out.
 
I do have an electronic background but that just allowed me to buy my gadgets! Wink
 
Somewhere on this site I've stated that I'm a lazy 13 year old trapped in a 59 year old bod. So I'm always looking for a way to 'do it better, do it cheaper'.
 
Have fun!
 
ETA  On those DC adapters, just remember that you will need one for each of your electronics. You can buy these to expand you capability: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062269&cp=2032056.2032136.2032154&pg=2&parentPage=family


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Thanks to all for the power inverter idea.  I bought a 700?  and a deep cycle marine battery yesterday.  Haven't tried it out yet.

Can you tell me how many hours of power we can expect from the battery?  Really just planning to cook on a single burner appliance and maybe a bit of tv - small one just 9".  And, is there a way to recharge the battery without electrical power?
 
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sand,
 
Not knowing your battery reserve capacity in Amp Hours, I can't give you a definitive answer. But here is the simplfied Cliff notes version:
 

(xAmps + yAmps + zAmps) x time in hours = Amp Hours

 

(2A+3A+4A) x 5 hrs = AH

 

9A x 5 = 45AH

 

450 AH reserve capacity battery / 45AH = 10 hours

 
Keep in mind that the inverter itself comsumes power. So the total will be a little less than the 10 hours above.
 
You must determine how much power your single burner appliance requires. Chances are that the appliance will require much more wattage than your inverter can supply. Plus any inverter is a POOR device for any type of heating application. I would highly recommend using a fuel type stove.
 
As for the TV, if it is rated for a typical 100-150 watts with the above 450 AH battery you would be good for 15-20 hours. Your smaller TV would probably run longer.
 
HINT: LCD TVs require much less power than one with a picture tube (CRT) of the same size. Wink
 
The only way to recharge a battery without electrical service would be a $olar panel $y$tem (notice the $$$). Confused That's why I have a generator!
 
Here is a terrific site for those with inverter questions: http://www.donrowe.com/inverters/inverter_faq.html#how_long . There are wattage charts, formulas, etc. Clap
 
Let me know if you have any other questions. Take care and have fun!
 
 
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Using one deep cycle battery on a range top will kill it in a matter of minutes.
I had two deep cycle golf cart batteries hooked together, hooked up my inverter (3000 watt), plugged in my vaccume cleaner..... it lasted for about 15 minutes. And a range top uses a lot more power.
AS 2yfbic said, unless your rich, don't waste money on solar panels. Buy a small generator and stock up on gas.
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Breadbox oven:
 
Quote If you have an old metal breadbox, you can use it as an oven, much the same as a Coleman oven that sets upon a stove, drill a hole in the top and insert an oven thermometer to keep track of the heat, and open the door a little or a lot to regulate the heat. You can use this breadbox a couple of ways, one is to place your food on the top rack and place coals in a pan on the bottom, or you can set the entire box on a grill over a bed of coals.
 
 
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Sorry for the length of this post, but I found this situation to be very educational to myself and my parents.  So my folks had a small wake up call last night as to why I encouraged them to get a backup generator for their house.  They got a very nice 7KW Honda and got it wired into the house(by an electrician) via a Gen Tran transfer switch.  We also  had a custom made 50' 10/4 cable made so they can keep it clear of the house for carbon monoxide concerns.  They live in a hurricane zone, so this large expense was justifiable.  Funny thing is that Dad had me "pickle" the engine at the end of last year's hurricane season so that he wouldn't have to start it every month as reccomended.  When I pickled it, I "fogged" the engine with Bombardier Storage Oil, stabilized the fuel, drained the carb, placed the battery on a tender, and all that other good stuff so that my father would not have to deal with the generator on a regular basis.
 
Last night the power went out for about 10 hours and it was time for him to fire it up.  Unfortunately, because I mummified this generator and my father didn't have to use it on a regular basis, he was not comfortable using it at all.  So this whole system went unused when they could have really benefited from their purchase.  It had basically become just another tool in the garage that sits in the corner.  They have 15- 5 gallon gas cans that were all empty.  Soooo, the bottom line here was that they were "ready" but they were not really ready at all. 
 
Fortunately for my parents, I had left my smaller EU2000is Honda at their house and they were comforatble using that for the computer, satellite tv, and a couple of lights.  They just ran the extension cords into the house and plugged directly into the generator.  This worked fine, and luckily, I had it fully gassed up(1 gallon tank runs 15 hrs!).  After talking them through the process on the cell phone, they were back in business.  This finally made them realize the importance of having fuel and being very comfortable and knowledgable about running a generator. 
 
The next time that I get down there, in the very near future, I'm going to go through Generator 101 with them again.  It really is something that most people should review on a somewhat regular basis, it probably would not hurt to actually perform a test run either if you have never done so in the past.  Many people take for granted that they will be able to run these things, but when it comes down to it, it is often not that easy or as safe as one would think.  That's why you always hear of the carbon monoxide deaths of home owners and electrocutions of utility workers when these things are not used properly.  The only advice that I can give from my parents experience last night, is it is extremely important to be familiar with your equipment and know how to use it  because you never know when you just might actually need it.
 


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You can buy regular sized light bulbs in 12 volt.  By using a lamp or two and rewiring to a car battery, which is easily rechargable, you can light the place for lots of hours. Buy real cheap 16 or 18 gauge extension cords and strip the ends down to use.

I'm buying an large tractor battery with more reserve amps to use. Be careful to set it outside as acid gas is not good to breathe and never bring inside to recharge.

Be careful that windows are properly covered when lighting at night so prying eyes can't see you have lights.
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Please be sure to fuse or use a 12VDC rated circuit breaker on any of these hotwiring projects.  Short-circuiting an automotive battery can have explosive results.
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Also, be sure to calculated required amps.  Low voltage bulbs require high current to make wattage( V = I x R and P = I squared R).  A 25 watt bulb would take about 2 amps of current.  A string of 5 bulbs would require 10 amps.  18 gauge wire is only good for about 5 - 7 amps, 16 gauge is only good for 10 amps.  14 gauge is good for 15 amps, 12 gauge for 20.  Be sure the fuse/breaker is coodinated with the wire, else you will make the wire into your fuse & have a meltdown/fire.
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Thanks for clarification 40. In my head I was only figuring on a couple bulbs.  You will find standed wire will carry a little more that single wire though.

I also forgot to clarify to make sure battery connections are tight. Don't just wind the wire around the terminal. Marine  terminal adapters should be crimped securely on the wire.
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2ifbyC:
 
You seem to be the brightest one here on this subject.  I want to set up solar panels to keep 2 or 3 12 volt batteries charged.  I want to run a small (9" AC/DC) TV and a CB Radio on it.  What size panel would you recommend and what site.  What hoops do I need to jump though to make it happen.
 
I also want to set up to recharge D cells, 123 cell (photo batteries) and AA batteries all on solar  ( 36 D Cells 6 123 3 Volt and 30 AA batteries)  again what size panel would you recommend and how would I set that up.
 
Thank you for all your help
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