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Sorry, when it comes to solar power my 'wattage' dims. The co$t has prevented me from jumping in with both feet. I did read that the minimum panel wattage for MAINTAINING (read trickle charge) a 12VDC battery charge is 15 watts.
 
A 15 watter should do fine for the smaller batts with the appropriate charger/controller(s).
 
As to the TV and CB, get a proper voltage AC/DC adapter(s) or add up the wattage and use an inverter. Both would be powered by a 12 VDC batt. That way you're not at the mercy of the sun as with a direct-power solar panel. Note that you will use more wattage when you transmit on the CB. 'Receive only' comsumes very little power.
 
My best recommendation is to Google solar panels and if you have any questions afterwards please feel free to contact me. There is a ton of info out there.
 
Good luck!
 
 
 
 
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Recently read / heard that U.S. oil refineries CANNOT operate with 30% of employees off. . . These plants produce our gasoline, but also the fuels that run alot of our power plants.

Almost 20% of U.S. electricity is produced by nuclear power. Deregulation has forced all power companies to run “lean and mean”. I would think that like an oil refinery, a nuclear power plant could not operate with 30% of it’s work force off.

Both nuke fueled power plants and refineries are NOT “light switch operations”. . . Both MUST be slowly shut down and slowly restarted. . . Coal, natural gas and oil powered electrical generating plants are known as “peaker’s” within the industry and are especially used to quickly reach maximum output on hot (A/C usage) days. . .

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Originally posted by dundeels01 dundeels01 wrote:

 They have 15- 5 gallon gas cans that were all empty.  When you open the fourth can, must refill the other three, that's what I do if my husband doesn't. We keep two out of normal usage which helps me know when he's on the fourth can.
 
The next time that I get down there, in the very near future, I'm going to go through Generator 101 with them again.  I wrote down EVERY STEP, from moving the generator into place to throwing the switch to disconnect from the city line to checking the oil, fuel, and hookups. To exactly how to start, load, and shut down. WRITE IT DOWN, put in a plastic document cover, attach to the generator. 
 
It really is something that most people should review on a somewhat regular basis, it probably would not hurt to actually perform a test run either if you have never done so in the past.  Our storm two weeks ago took our power (only a few hours, but we did not know what happened). For us, we have a water-well, no power, no water. Husband had me do all the steps following my notes from the December outages.
 
Many people take for granted that they will be able to run these things, but when it comes down to it, it is often not that easy or as safe as one would think. Found out that I did not know how to reset the Safety Pressure Switch in the pump house. More notes now attached inside the pump house and we bought a spare safety switch.
 
That's why you always hear of the carbon monoxide deaths of home owners and electrocutions of utility workers when these things are not used properly.
Sounds like you made sure the Utility Workers were protected. Carbon Monoxide detectors are important in the home. JaxMax made an interesting point, his detector went off from so many neighbors using their generators at night, they all agreed not to run generators while sleeping. Had not thought of that.
 
The only advice that I can give from my parents experience last night, is it is extremely important to be familiar with your equipment and know how to use it  because you never know when you just might actually need it. Good advice, thank you. 
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Generator gas consumption:
approx. 1 gallon for 8 hours at 1 KW load (Honda EU-2000i)
So, 8 KWH/gal.

Operating for 2 hours/day for 4 days would use about 1 gallon of gas. That's about 15 gallons/month. It's a LOT of gas to be storing!
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Solar power:

Cost of panels is about $3/Watt.
Panels need to be steered to track the sun for maximum output.
Above 40 degrees North, panels are less useful. Larger panel area needed.
A regulator is needed for charging batteries. Some batteries, particularly gel cells, are sensitive to the charging regime.
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Generator safety issues:

(1) Do not add gasoline to hot generator. Let it cool down completely, until you can touch the exhaust pipe.

(2) Generator should be properly grounded. Use good 3-wire cables of adequatge capacity; no daisy chains.

(3) Exhaust fumes must not enter your living space - carbon monoxide is produced and is VERY toxic.

(4) Arrange generator so no contact with hot exhaust manifold is possible.

(5) Store gasoline away from generator.   
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The better way is to have a propane fired generator.  We have a 15 KW  standby hooked to a 500 gallon propane tank. That will give us  about 300 hrs of use.  The well ,in another building circuit is wired to a smaller gen and we have 100 gallons of stabilized gas for it.

If your serious about all this get prepared.  It will take at least 6 hrs a day to keep the frig cold and the house cool.  If this area is out of juice for that long--50 days-- we figure we can "borrow" other neighborhood propane tanks  as everyone else will be moved out.

Remember to only run the gen in the daytime as sound carries further at nite.  If you do run at nite be sure to have window covers as you do not want to advertize you have power.
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a billy is an Aussie word meaning a pot to boil water for a cuppa, usually made from alaminium and the handle is a peice of wire strung over the top from one side to the other. Can be as small as the tin can you have eaten the beans out of. Just punch two holes in opposite sides near the top of the can, and strin some wire through the holes. Use a stick to lift off the flame or the steam will burn your hand.
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Additional generator safety note:    

Do not connect generator to your house wiring unless you have a transfer switch installed and approved by a registered electrician, so you do not send out power on the incoming line. A transfer switch isolates your house circuit from that of the power company.
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We plan to revamp the old spring house to keep items cool this summer.

This is a small building with a cement floor which has a trough that the cold spring water stream pours into.
 
If if was good enough for our fore fathers its good enough for me. 
 
I can't wait to chill some homemade elderberry wine and kick back and enjoy the pleasures that come from living in the sticks.
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 We purchased a wood furnace that heats the house, barn, greenhouse and supplies us with hot water.
 
Even with the mild winter we went through 45 + ricks of wood!!
 
We sure didn't see that coming.  We had 30 rick cut up and thought that would be plenty. 
 
So we need to start building that old wood pile up again and this time add 20 ricks to our pile on top of the huge one we had last year.
 
That new chainsaw we bought will really get a work out this year.
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How much wood is a rick? I have never heard that term is it equivlant to a cord?
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A rick is four feet high 16" to 24" wide and eight feet long stack of wood.  We sell wood around here in "rick".  A rick runs about $35 to $40.
 
Some folks use the term instead of a cord of wood.
 
That's a clear as mud.
 
You have to remember I am from the sticks in Southern Indiana.
 
Sorry for the confusion.
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Here's a interesting tip for those who have water on their property:
 
Quote A lake, pond, or stream can be a good source of refrigeration. You can fill a metal picnic cooler with food and put the cooler in the water, making sure that either the cooler has a watertight seal so the foods keep dry inside or keep the top of the cooler above the water level. Unopened canned drinks can be kept icy cold submersed in a running stream.
 
 
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Help needed!! Would you electrical whizz-kids PLEASE take a look at question for Ice under priority preps?? Pretty PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm a first-class moron, it's under survival tips
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Originally posted by Eagles Dancing Eagles Dancing wrote:

A rick is four feet high 16" to 24" wide and eight feet long stack of wood.  We sell wood around here in "rick".  A rick runs about $35 to $40.
 
Some folks use the term instead of a cord of wood.
 
That's a clear as mud.
 
You have to remember I am from the sticks in Southern Indiana.
 
Sorry for the confusion.
 
A Cord of wood is defined as 128 cubic feet, or 4ft x 4ft x 8ft.  I don't know if a "rick" is formally defined, but a Cord sure is.
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I have a 600W pure sine wave inverter and a 110Ah deep cycle battery and a decent ctek battery charger for charging when the power is back on.
 
Now my questions.  I am thinking of running my cars engine to power the inverter if the electric is off for a while (my tank never gets more than half empty).
Anyone know how many amps a car alternator gives? How much fuel do cars (1.6 and 2 Litre engines) use when iding?
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Differant cars have differant alternators. Check you manual as it should tell you.  Idle cas use. Anybodys guess. Ask a dealer maybe. Cars can overheat if idled too long so watch the temp gauge closely.

I think you better try the inverter first with a full battery.  It won't  last long.   The inverter draws a lot of juice.

  A better way to power light bulbs is the 12v battery itself.  Get some RV bulbs-they come 50W.  Buy some old  lamps at a garage sale, cut the  plugs off and strip them down to attach to a battery. 
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Originally posted by libbyalex libbyalex wrote:

Simple, I know. When it gets dark outside, go to bed. When dawn breaks, wake up! Adapt schedule to the rising and setting of the sun. -- Libby


I spent 9 days at an ecoresort in Costa Rica a few years ago.  It's very easy to adjust to the "up at dawn, down at sunset" schedule whenthere are no computers and TVs to keep you awake.


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