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Originally posted by inthesticks inthesticks wrote:

Originally posted by ChriSSSS ChriSSSS wrote:

i just took a deep breath, and they do hurt.

i have the flu should i stay home tomorrow from school?
 
 
ChriSSSS...if you have a thermomenter handy, take your temperature every hour or so.  If it goes above 101 degrees and stays there or goes higher, tell your mom.  Rotate medicine by taking aspirin; check temp. after an hour; if your temp. is not down, then take Tylenol;  wait an hour and take your temp.  Keep doing this until either the  fever breaks or if it doesn't, get your mom to take you to the hospital.  At your age, you are more susceptible to swine flu than adults...and you don't want to get worse.  You especially don't want to come down with pneumonia from swine flu.  If it hurts when you take deep breaths, your lungs could be infected with pneumonia.
 
Keep us informed, okay?


inthesticks you are giving medical advice- are you a licensed M.D.

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Rotate medicine by taking aspirin;
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ChriSSSS ..... please ..... do not .....  follow that advice.     
 
 
 
 
no asprin.
 
Pain associated with taking a deep breath needs medical attention by Doc..
 
tell school nurse.....
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by inthesticks inthesticks wrote:

Originally posted by ChriSSSS ChriSSSS wrote:

i just took a deep breath, and they do hurt.

i have the flu should i stay home tomorrow from school?
 
 
ChriSSSS...if you have a thermomenter handy, take your temperature every hour or so.  If it goes above 101 degrees and stays there or goes higher, tell your mom.  Rotate medicine by taking aspirin; check temp. after an hour; if your temp. is not down, then take Tylenol;  wait an hour and take your temp.  Keep doing this until either the  fever breaks or if it doesn't, get your mom to take you to the hospital.  At your age, you are more susceptible to swine flu than adults...and you don't want to get worse.  You especially don't want to come down with pneumonia from swine flu.  If it hurts when you take deep breaths, your lungs could be infected with pneumonia.
 
Keep us informed, okay?
 
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, that's a negative on the aspirin !!!!!   BAD ADVICE !!  Children and teens should NEVER take aspirin for viral illnesses such as chicken pox or flu because of the danger of Reye's Syndrome.  (Just like medical advice should never be given on line  IMHO !!)
 
 
 

 

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* VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and

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I think this could be a problem, dont monkies have a form of AIDS that is different then HIV, if so, can this virus be passed to humans thru this vaccine?
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simian (monkey tumor  virus )
 
sv-40
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The virus was first identified in 1960 in cultures of rhesus monkey kidney cells that were being used to produce polio vaccine. It was named for the effect it produced on infected green monkey cells, which developed an unusual number of vacuoles.
 
 
 
...SV40 acts much like the human JC and BK polyomaviruses, producing kidney disease and sometimes a demyelinating disease similar to PML. In other species, particularly hamsters,
SV40 causes a variety of tumors, generally sarcomas. In rats, the oncogenic SV40 Large T-antigen was used to establish a brain tumor model for PNETs and medulloblastomas. [2]

 
 
 
Polio vaccine contamination
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Soon after its discovery, SV40 was identified in the injected form of the polio vaccine produced between 1955 and 1961.

This is believed to be due to kidney cells from infected monkeys being used to amplify the vaccine virus during production. Both the Sabin vaccine (oral, live virus) and the Salk vaccine (injectable, killed virus) were affected; the technique used to inactivate the polio virus in the Salk vaccine, by means of formaldehyde,
did not reliably kill SV40.

It was difficult to detect small quantities of virus until the advent of PCR; since then, stored samples of vaccine made after 1962 have tested negative for SV40, but no samples prior to 1962 could be found.
 
Thus, although over 10 million people received the potentially contaminated batches of vaccine,

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there is no way to know whether they were exposed to the virus, and if so, whether it was in a quantity and by a route that would cause infection.

It is also unknown how widespread the virus was among humans before the 1950s, though one study found that 12% of a sample of German medical students in 1952 had SV40 antibodies. Although horizontal transmission between people has been proposed, is not clear if this actually happens and if it does, how frequently it occurs.[13]

An analysis presented at the Vaccine Cell Substrate Conference in 2004[14] suggested that vaccines used in the
former Soviet bloc countries, China, Japan, and Africa, could have been contaminated up to 1980, meaning that hundreds of millions more could have been exposed to the virus
 
unknowingly.   ( ? )
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It is great to see some of this information about possible risk & danger of immunization but for some people, the families of those who have lost, this H1n1 vaccine would have been – maybe a life saver.  Or if ya have opportunity for, gamble and lose, man that would suck.  It seems that this flu, unlike the 70’s HAS materialized just not to the virulence degree that we all feared.  It appears to be more contagious, though mild.  Isn’t it weird that most people can say they have never had influenza and now we all will have it eventually?  There was only 1 death in that 1970s pandemic so not really comparable flu or maybe even comparable vaccine.  Seriously if death rates go up, even anti-vaccine persons will probably be stepping on people to get the shot.  Then WHO and CDC would be heroes.  

 

The stuff in our food, man-made items & environment- from our “footprints” is probably just as bad as injecting ourselves with these shots.  Maybe our awareness to it is the only thing that has changed.  All the science and genius ideas that have made our lives better are taken for granted or when it comes with unforeseen consequences.  Like who knew plastic had toxins in it that could leech into our food or babies milk!  How long has that been going on, since plastic storage containers.  My mom still has containers from the 70’s I think. 

 

I’d say from the beginning immunization schedules have been designed and have saved countless lives.  Perhaps there are alterior motives today but still – I think “they” can still achieve main objective to make lots of money without making or fluffing diseases, and not at cost of people’s lives.  So maybe it’s irresponsible and not handled the way it should be, but that seems to be the trend. 

 

I’m probably going to get the shots for my family if & when we can and pray we have no side affects today or 90 yrs from now(for my kiddies). 

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yes... most of us are pretty sturdy and do well even with all the... stuff out there... for the few who do not do so well... I ask that the Congress. assist them, have a fund set up for them.and... do not remove our freedom of choice in the face of novel or experimental vaccines.  I want the Congress to spend our tax dollars wisely, proportionately.
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