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Flu Widespread in U.S. 2017-2018

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http://www.thebigwobble.org/2018/01/100-years-ago-spanish-flu-infected-500.html Australian flu A-H3N2 becoming deadly in the UK. 

Worldwide the picture is mixed although A-H3N2 seems to be widespread (and could become a pandemic). A-H1N1 and B-virus is also widespread. 

Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Penham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2018 at 12:12pm
I live in Oklahoma and so far have had one adult friend that has had the flu she was older 55, one client with the flu which was a kid, but co-workers several have had kids sick with the flu. I went to get a routine pap/well woman check the other day and walked in to the waiting room and there were 6 people with masks on. My anxiety level went up immediately, I could tell at least 2 were really sick, the others may have been trying not to get sick?
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http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1918-medical-experts-the-worst-flu-season-in-history

Medical experts in the United States are worried that this year's flu season could be the worst in US History as 46 states already report Flu outbreaks. This year's main flu strain, the influenza A virus, known as H3N2, is worse than the swine flu in 2009. 
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To put it in perspective, back when the swine flu was making headlines it infected just 51,000 people in Australia. This year's H3N2 sickened over 215,000 and the illness has hit our shores. 

Reported cases in some states, like Arizona, are up more than 758 percent over this time last year, and the CDC reports the flu is in widespread conditions in 46 states, including California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York and Virginia, as of Dec. 30, 2017. To make matters worse, the flu vaccine is not proving to be very effective against this year's main strain, because of a virus mutation. In Australia it has been effective in only 10 percent of cases, reports The New England Journal of Medicine. The vaccine now being administered to Americans uses the same formulation.

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With news mounting of this season's flu being a particularly virulent one — evidenced by overcrowded emergency rooms and an uptick in related deaths across the country — it's eerily ironic that this year marks the 100th anniversary of the 1918 global influenza pandemic. Also known as the Spanish flu, the worldwide outbreak infected an estimated 500 million people, nearly a third of the planet's population then, and killed between 50 million and 100 million victims. More than 25 percent of the U.S. population was sickened, and about 675,000 Americans died. 

While no public health officials are declaring the current flu to be a pandemic, this strain is historically more difficult to fight than others. Australia, for instance, just came through its flu season, reporting record-high numbers of cases of the same H3N2 virus and higher-than-average numbers of hospitalizations and deaths.

The United States is experiencing a similarly "early and robust start to this flu season," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health. "It has all the markings of being a severe season."

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This flu epidemic did something never recorded before

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/15/stories-from-a-nation-full-of-flu-sufferers/


why I often find it difficult to  impossible to believe anything the CDC says on anything

"And according to USA Today, the CDC estimates that influenza has caused 9 million to 35 million illnesses, 140,000 to 710,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 to 56,000 deaths in the United States each year since 2010. In many cases, hospitalizations and deaths do not show up in official reports, for a variety of reasons — including the fact that most people with flu are never tested for it and that states are not required to report adult flu deaths."


which is it?

9 million or 35 million?

140 thousand or 700 thousand ?


essentially USELESS statistics

inexcusable

get your act together

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Satori,

When more than 35 million people in one year in the US get the flu, more than 710.000 people end up in hospital, more than 56.000 people die-it is an above "normal" flu season. Statistics give big variations. 

With statistics you can follow large scale developments-go beyond individual stories. 

To get a first picture of any problems you need statistics to get priorities. And-yes-statistics can give a wrong picture, statistics can be misused. Flu-mixing with pneunomia may give double counting.
(To make things even more complicated-is there a link between climate change and active flu-seasons ? Or is the connection more age-related-you need statistics-to see what age-group is effected, set up vaccination campains to maybe even close schools for a week.)

But basicly-statistics like those you mention are essential to get an oversight of the problem!
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The flu is now everywhere in the U.S. and widespread. Children are dying as well as adults. Those who die and are over 65 are not even reported.

The geographic spread of influenza in Puerto Rico and 49 states was reported as widespread; Guam reported regional activity; the District of Columbia and one state reported local activity; and the U.S. Virgin Islands reported sporadic activity.

The H3N2 virus strain, which is known to cause more hospitalizations and more deaths, is the dominant strain this season so far, Brammer said.

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Flu is widespread in the U.S. and people are dying. Some of these are young and die within days or a week of getting. Hundreds dying in one county alone in California, and I still can't get rid of it.





http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/01/27/flu-takes-alabama-bride-to-be-one-week-after-diagnosis.html

A bride-to-be in Alabama was among the latest casualties this week as a serious outbreak of influenza continued to sweep across the U.S.

Katherine Acton, 47, of Shelby County, succumbed to the flu Wednesday, only a week after being diagnosed. She left behind two kids and a fiancé, Chuck Benzil, whom she planned to marry in the fall, the New York Post reported.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) warned that in this particularly deadly flu season, as many as 56,000 adults and children could die if proper safety precautions are not taken. 

comment: The vaccine has proven to be very ineffective against the mutated h3n2 strain which is the predominant one for this season in the U.S. I still could go Pandemic - if it further mutates and spreads. It is in Europe and U.K. with very little in media about it.

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I am currently sick myself. Started out a mild cough. Two days ago. Today I'm coughing alot. No fever no chills. Just a nasty cough.
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Here's hoping it's a false alarm.  Get well soon, Prepgirl.
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CrAzEeeee talk ???

The Flu Is FAR WORSE Than We’re Being Told: Tens of Thousands of Americans Are DYING

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/flu-worse-dying/


the author of this article puts the real death toll at over 44,000

and is very critical of the CDC for being less than honest


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Thank you
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A big spike in P&I Mortality, but still seems less than 2015.  But this a report of the situation about 20 days ago (so is a lagging indicator of what is happening),

I do like the way this report from CDC gives a number of years for comparison.  It is too easy to take the current figures out of context and so I think CDC has done well in this case. 

INFLUENZA Virus Isolated
http://https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

Ps. Does anyone know why the seasonal curves are declining over time?  I guess this might be to changing causes of death. Possibly that might be due to people living longer, but as flu hits old folks hard I think there might be other causes.
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My fiance, died today of the flu in New York.  She began having breathing problems and in less than an hour in ER she was gone.

Things are a lot worse than we are being told. The last loved one I lost, also a lady I was with, died during the Pandemic in Chicago.

Having spent a lot of time talking to a nurse in Wisconsin some years ago, she told me that they just have no plan to treat people with the flu.  In addition, they have stopped reporting deaths in most cases, and with all people over 65.

My fiance was a tough woman and Native American and had fought off many illnesses here whole life. This one got her.

I have been down with it and the irony is - they are not aggressively responding to this nor are we being told the truth.

I ask for your prayers - I don't know how I will make it without her - I loved her so much.

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Beyond words, Med.  My prayers are with you.
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I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say how sorry I am to hear of your fiancée's passing, Med. Our thoughts are with you and her family.

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I am so so sorry Med. 
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Thank you - there are simply no words. If I did not hate the flu and wish they would do something more before  - I do now.  The media is beginning to wake up and although the numbers do not reflect the reality - where it was 8% during the Pandemic of people coming in with flu symptoms - it is 6% now. This tells more of the real story.

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Med, I am so sorry. I can tell you that the pain never totally goes away but it does get better.

When you can talk about it did this wonderful lady have a flu shot, did she get Tamiflu, it is so sad. I am wondering if any of this helped or not. What is killing people so fast? I still wonder if it is a cytokine storm that is killing so fast!

Keep us posted Med as to how you are feeling we are all here for you.
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It has been awhile since we have been on AFT/AFN . Just to let you know. My cousin is fighting on life support. She has the flu . Her body has shut down. She had the flu and then it change to pneuomia and sepis I don't know what to say about this one guys . She is in her middle 60's If this stuff is killing in middle America, we have a real big problem on our hands
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Hmmm,  I may have been wrong.

AFT lists just over 6000 members, probably about a thousand of those are spammers, people who no longer posrt, new logons for those who lost their passwords and several hundred are aliases for Rishat.  That gives an active membership of about 5k who, if you add up their family members, friends and colleagues gives us a reporting base of about 10 X that.

More people in that sample seem to be seriously/fatally ill than national statistics suggest.

Our own dear Medclinician, who I always accuse of overraction ('Sorry Med!), points out that things are worse than we are being told.  This time, I believe him.  I think he is absolutely right.

The number of people covered by our membership is sufficient for a full clinical sample for statistical analysis.  Our results indicate about 10 X the CFR* publically admitted to.

Someone is lying.



I hope your cousin makes a full recovery, MEi63


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