Form A Survival Group

Sooo....do you also have dreams of repopulating the earth?  Im sure your little band of freeloaders are sure going to try, rather the recipients are willing or not.

I prefer to call myself a survivalist, not a freeloader.  You'll be going straight to the store Bojingles, just like the rest of you because you'll >have< to.  You need food in order to survive.

If it is true, John wont have a " chance in hell!", whether he's a thug or not!

John - I still think your barking up the wrong tree. I have food stocks laid in because I don't intend running the gauntlet of law enforcement and a starving, frightened population out on the streets. The last thing I'll be doing is picking stores clean because I plan on having everything I need long before it hits. That's what the non preppers will be doing because they're not listening to us now. Raiding gas station cash registers and moving food into store freezers is not how to survive this. Buying food and finding a clean source of water, and making sure you have light, heat and the ability to cook - that's what will keep you alive. It won't be like The Stand - it will be a very difficult time that with proper planning and forethought will be survivable though. If you have more medical supplies than food, you're prepping wrong. Rethink your preps while you can John, please.

There won't be any clean water.  Besides, if every one is mostly dead, I see nothing wrong with going to the stores.  I'm not a thug, I'm a realist, I know my humble preps are going to go quick and if electricity cuts off I'm eating out of uncooked cans of food.  I don't care if you have 5 years of preps, you will eventually be doing what I'm preparing for now.  So don't worry about it.  I plan to join a group anyway so the point is moot and only one possible survival strategy.  Besides, you'd only protect your busines stock if you were still alive.

johngardner1 wrote: There won't be any clean water.  Besides, if every one is mostly dead, I see nothing wrong with going to the stores.  I'm not a thug, I'm a realist, I know my humble preps are going to go quick and if electricity cuts off I'm eating out of uncooked cans of food.  I don't care if you have 5 years of preps, you will eventually be doing what I'm preparing for now.  So don't worry about it.  I plan to join a group anyway so the point is moot and only one possible survival strategy.  Besides, you'd only protect your busines stock if you were still alive.

[QUOTE=johngardner1] nor am I body pierced.  

 

Too bad!! Sandra

I think we should take a step back and look at this post. Apparently johngardner1 is envisioning 'The Stand" scenario. That is totally absurd to believe that 90% or more of the populace is going to die off. No time in recorded history has mortality rates been like that for a world epidemic. This scenario is for fantasy books and movies as it will never become reality. My advice to johgardner1 is to prepare for at the most a 10% world die off.

If a fairly large population did survive I would obviously not loot, that's suicide.  I've stated before the possibility of large populations surviving, say 10 percent, and have even talked about the unlikelihood of pandemic armageddon.  My scenario is not necessarily what I believe in, or my pet theory, but rather one of many scenarios we should go over in order to be prepared.  But by not thinking of many alternatives, you yourself have locked yourself into just one scenario and if a different scenario than the one you planned for happens, you'll be out in the cold.

Jacksdad, you are correct even if we have a 20% to 50% death rate, life will get back in order in six months to one year. During that time we will have food, water and electricity on a sporatic basis.

Some people I believe are looking for a survival group because it is easier for someone else to have the food and water and they will add what ever they can.

Everyone must prep for at least 3 to 6 months and go on a diet so that the preps really last 5 to 9 months. We all eat too much anyway.

I am listening, John. I'm just not sure I see things the way you do. And I'm certainly not trying to pick a fight - I'm trying to help. I think your expectations of a pandemic - and consequently your plans to deal with it - are way off the mark. And dangerously so. To my way of thinking, only 10% of the population surviving IS a pandemic armageddon.

I'll admit that when I think of pandemic I think of total annihilation, but I agree that your scenario is possible but not the only possibility.  I think we need to cover things like maybe four or five days of isolation before the wave is over.  Also, I'm hoping that at least some people will form a survival group here, we have medical personnel and everything here.  It's the perfect opportunity to survive more easily.

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If I lived in a large city and had no connections I would make my move now. I would use one of my days off from work to take a bus trip along the coast. I would apply for a job at all the places that could employ me. I would get a job at the new, better location and move there. I would keep my mouth shut for awhile and get to know the people. Maybe I would find people who are prepping or maybe I could give some good people the warning they need to start prepping. The smaller the town the better. I would not draw attention to myself. When people asked me why I left the city I would say something like crime. If fishing is key to survival I would get a part time job doing something in that area. I would build the connections necessary to learn what I need to know to survive later in the new place. If I did not have room to stockpile a lot of food I would vacume seal (dry) food, wrap it in a plastic bag, put it is a bucket with a rubber gasket, wrap the bucket in plastic and bury these in the woods all around the outskirts of my new location. I would be careful to be able to identify the locations of the buckets. How much does a GPS thingey cost? Or maybe just left of the third tree. I would have a plan B and C. Somebody might kill me but I would not starve and I would not die of the flu.

suzi, what you propose ( burying the goods) is called a "cache," sounds like cash when you say it vocally.  I don't know if you do (i dont) but laundry buckets do exist and are quite large.  Or you can get a few cheap coleman coolers, like the kind you take camping, lock it up and bury your goods.

[QUOTE=BillB]" We need to know where each other lives and form a mutual rendezvous point to form a

Plus there are farms, including apple farms and vinyards all over the place, that means fruit.

" Plus there are farms, including apple farms and vinyards all over the place, that means fruit.  "

I can understand you don't want to travel all the way to the west coast, so let's just say that washington state is a possibility and let's look for more opportunities.  Got any ideas for the east coast other than the freshwater fish?

You probably shouldn't move into the country too soon to form a survival group in the event there isn't a Panflu.  Now, if we do have an h5n1 Panflu, then it might be a good idea to work with people in your area.  I have a few friends suggesting to me that we should all head up to the mountains for 6 months if it hits.  

Johnray1 wrote: johngardner1 and Albert,there is more to surviving a complete break down than knowing where there are grocery stores to raid.

I don't know about you guys. Think about how much stuff you will have to move to make it somewhere else.

I don't have a trailer to move that much stuff and I would not want to chance leaving my home for fear of getting the flu on the road to where?? And oh yes let's not forget the bad guys and that the military/police just might take all your guns and ammo from your car/truck if you come up on them on the road.

Get your preps together, stay at home, and when it is over figure out with who is left how to deal with the situation whatever that may be.

However, I will be buying extra seeds this spring and vacuum packing them for future use. Anyone out there know if this is how to save seeds?

Fred Meyers carries seeds.  We need to potato farm however, I can dice potatos into disks for instance, creating a type of home french fries.  All you have to is bury your potatos from the store (we need to do it within 2 weeks of panflu however or the taters will be rotten.)