Five die of unidentified disease in western Nepal

Posted this on another thread worth a look.

I saw this too and thought the same thing...this is where the airport being closed down scare was from...doesn't look good.

Cruiser wrote: I am fairly convinced there is a big effort to squash this story.  All my search links now go to bogus redirects.

This is one I have been tracking since another user posted a link which started the first big "Nepal" thread. About 4 days ago I got a communication of 1000 deaths in Nepal from a direct source, and then have followed up a strange illness which is not only sweeping through Nepal but parts of India as well.

Without speculation - links are disappearing. In fact, in this case sometimes I have to have people research in Chinese or other languages to find any information at all, and some links are in the other language with no translation.

This morning scanning this site once again I saw the EXACT same story they issued for the 14 drop dead blood mouth and nose deaths - reduced to 7 - this one was reduced to 5. If you track the illusive disease off the coast of France which infected 150,000 people and then vanished from press coverage after making its way into France, you begin to get the feeling there is something seriously awry here.

Let's put it this way. I am not an alarmist. I do not want there to be some massive Pandemic (even though we have 3 - TB-Malaria- and Dengue - right now.) and now we have this new bizarre virus. I talked to Vietnamese doctors and a friend is heading over there in his normal course of business, but will be talking to locals to try and get some real data on this.

As in any game or whatever you begin to pick out patterns. Since the approach to suppressing news from whatever country seems to be developing as much as the news itself - we are getting some consistent techniques here. Now, no doubt, things happen to naturally explain stuff, but I have seen links go down in minutes after they were posted. Coincidence? Maybe. When it happens to 5-10 links - when a biohazard airport map suddenly loses 3 days of data which shows Nepal as having a problem - you think - isn't this VERY odd.

I spoke to a reporter (photographer) on the phone who has been all over this area. He worked for the newspaper that published the article. I didn't find this on a link, I didn't paste and copy someone's blog story.

He said "the people were terrified of Avian." He said people were dying and he said that people were avoiding eating chicken - and these are chicken is a big part of their diet people.

This one keeps coming back to haunt us. And the fact - I am being repetitive - that this effects "the brain" crosses that barrier and is putting hundreds of people in the hospital -

Where do we stop and say - okay - what do we keep hearing?

1) this is a low sanitation area many people die from unknown causes
2) (these are sometimes low population or far out areas) the local authorities are "completely unaware of the problem."
3) there is no problem
4) a team of WHO investigators has immediately been sent (often there is a lag and then - some weak - denial)

I realized weeks ago this stuff was poofing off the main search engines. I had to go to deeper into crawlers to get almost anything.  Now it is to the point I can hardly find anything in English period - and even People's Daily in Chinese doesn't have that much.

I say we keep on it. I am not going to make any conclusions here. It sounds as paranoid as all ****.

People will say - well these pages are always changing their content - and there are answers for every question - except -

Why are people dying in Nepal and what are they dying from?  The M.D.s will say there have always been health problems and characteristic diseases in these areas.

I think this is something different. I think we have a problem.

Med C.  your dedication and investigational efforts continues to astound me, so thankful for your time as to  many others  on this forum who dig deeper into these stories.  Please keep us posted as I know you will.  Those contacts you have are a blessing, I think first hand reports will be the confirmation of those suspicious patterns we see.  Thanks again to all .

It is really impressive and I have a great respect for the users who continue to work together to research on this. So much data has been put up, I can't comment to each user, but what has been posted is really valuable and is making what I try to contribute much easier to do.

This may be unsolicited loyalty to this site, but I honestly think there is a good chance because of the effort and time put in here, we may detect or at least know about "the one" that is going to be a big problem Pandemic wise here;  maybe even first.

A little OT for a second - but in my work - especially in the part of the country I am in - there is this - thing about doing business, making deals, researching things "face to face." or by video teleconferencing. I am a net person, and yet combining what people contribute on the net to personal conversations with people and reporters who talk to people and are "at the scene" cuts through all **** and sometimes gives us the best data.

What has been disturbing, very disturbing, is the difference between on the scene or direct phone contact with people looking out there window and telling you what is happening, or "the way it is" in the area - is invaluable and how different it is from what you read in the media. Not every source, even on the scene is totally reliable, but common people, who have no hook to the government, or can speak anonymously without fear of retribution, can really fine tune ones' perception of a situation.

In the case of Nepal - these events are happening hours from sometimes massive population centers. This is the part of the world where if you have seen movies like "Ghandi" the population density is unbelievable.
This of course makes the spread of anything infectious, move like wild fire.
Even though I have said this, thousands have said this - we face the reality that we live in a world community now. Okay, I am one of the old fossils as viewed by some (I am nearing 60) who this is a big deal to. The idea that I can chat with someone in Vietnam or Nepal and it doesn't cost me $14.00 a minute is a big deal. The Internet is a big deal. Cell phones are a big deal.

Unfortunately, this also means with our porous borders to people and chickens and food, nasty local outbreaks of tropical disease which was not a problem to us before, is becoming a problem.

I am a Vietnam Vet, and I have traveled and I have been in the tropics. And the first thing that happened when I got there within 36 hours is I had a raging fever and I was totally ill. Buddies and I were drinking in a bar "Jungle Juice" they called it. Whatever it was, it knocked us flat - but the killer was the ice in the drinks. We were told to stay away from the water.. well.. figure it out.

Point - every year - stuff festers in China and Indonesia, etc. and hits us for the big flu seasons. It has since the 50s when I was in school. A few times these bugs became epidemics and killed a lot of people.

The new stuff - since Chinese Avian - when people start dropping with blood from nose and mouth - in the street and can't even get to the hospital and local authorities say "what - we know nothing of this." -the new stuff seems nastier and more threatening. Maybe that is not valid. Maybe its always been that way. But I survived a lot of flus in childhood, and I wasn't in the hospital on a respirator.

Then we send teams from WHO and again "what - we know nothing of this. And then I talk to someone on the phone and they say "birds are dying, people are in panic about Avian and afraid of some new disease or disease their cousin or uncle died from" I throw the newspaper in the trash. I wonder and question everything I read; I look up who wrote it and most of all I want to know why. Because why counts. I know you all know this - I am just kind of reminding myself.

Yes, it is coffee time. Still early. It is going to happen. I mean we are going to get a bad one and it is going to cause us a lot of grief. I would rather know about it sooner before the Wallmart shelves are empty and the other 99% wake up and realize - okay - the preppers were not so crazy and now it is too late to get what we need without paying $100 for a bottle of water.

Just a few comments. No hard core news here. Enjoy the day - and be glad no more than whatever flu things are passing through here haven't arrived from Nepal - yet.

Thanks to everyone as well.  I've often wondered if we should have several sticky topics - one for each of the countries we're trying to keep up to date on.  The advantage would be that it would keep all the relevant information on one thread, which would make it easy to check the current news and compare it to the outbreaks of disease in the past.  The main disadvantage would be the length of the thread.  What do all of you think? 

medclinician wrote: gettingready wrote: Thanks to everyone as well.  I've often wondered if we should have several sticky topics - one for each of the countries we're trying to keep up to date on.  Interesting to see you back.

Did not know where to post this , hope its okay here EINet - Newsbriefhttp://depts.washington.edu/einet/newsbrief106.html?article=2224 He tested positive for both dengue hemorrhagic fever and H5N1 avian flu, Thawat said. ... (Promed 7/19/06) West Nile virus update 2006 USA As of 11 Jul 2006 ... depts.washington.edu/einet/newsbrief106.html?article=2224 - 75k - Cached - Similar pages 25 - DOH to confirm reports of new dengue fever strain     Monday, September 25 2006 @ 06:46 PM BST Health The Department of Health (DOH) has yet to confirm reports that a new strain of dengue fever is now in the country. Dr. Eric Tayag, DOH-National Epidemiology Center chief, in an interview after the weekly Kapihan ng Bayan, hosted by Secretary Cerge M. Remonde, said that St. Luke's Medical Center has reported finding type 3 dengue fever strain from the blood samples they received from their patients. Pinh-hitting today's forum was veteran radio-TV broadcaster Mario Garcia. "I will go to St. Luke's Medical Center today to confirm the report and their findings that type 3 strain was noted from the blood samples of their patients," he said. Tayag said there are four strains of dengue fever namely Type 1, 2, 3 and 4 but the second one is the virulent. He explained that the current type experienced in the country since year 2005 is type 1 but the Health Department expects a new type in 2008 since hemorrhagic dengue fever has a three year cycle. "We are set to release an update on dengue. We are hoping that the decrease of dengue cases will not be far from last year although there are still reported cases in some areas due to the rainy season," he said. Tayag said dengue epidemic is still up in Barangay Maybangal, Morong Rizal where about 726 cases have been reported while four areas in Quezon City and two in Valenzuela are considered hotspots. He identified these hotspots as the villages of Batasan Hills, Commonwealth, Payatas and Tatalon and those in Valenzuela are Barangays Marulas and Malinta. From January to September 13 this year, DOH received reports of about 16,635 dengue cases.http://www.bayanihan.org/html/article.php/20060925184649749 I know this is a long way from Nepal but I had not seen the new strain before pop up on any new threads .

I like the idea of the sticky topics, it would make it easier to keep track if things worsen in areas we are already watching.