Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
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and p.s., Although I don't necessarily trust China completely either, please be careful, Cruiser, about presuming to speak for the "540 other viewers here"
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Beamoth, I think that the comments here aren't a reflection of the Chinese as a people but rather the Chinese government. Most Chinese ex-patriots would agree that their government doesn't necessarily share information with the outside world, puts their own slant on it when they do, etc. I have two close friends who are Chinese, they are the most hardworking, kindest, loving people you've ever met. Most of us have people within our circles who are Asian or of that descent, so it's not that they're slamming them, it's the government that they're slamming.
And most of us have raised eyebrows at our own governments too - I've read things on questions about our US government, the British governments, etc. - we've all raised the questions, raised an eyebrow and made the comments about various governments and their credibility in certain regards.
Keep it cool folks..... remember to "loooovvvveeeee" one another and go visit the Tiki room if you need to cool off.
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Beamoth, distrust of a particular country is not the same as distrust of it's people. I'm an American and there are many aspects of my own government I don't trust. I'm sorry if you felt personally attacked. One of my very best friends is Japanese, I know you're not Japanese, but it's certainly not the case that I don't like or have some kind of adversion to a people because of race or even foreigness (is that a word?). I haven't seen anyone on AFT show any signs of being prejudice and I doubt Albert would allow it anyway. I'm glad you're here. My experience has been that everyone has something to contribute, I look forward to your contributions.
BTW, I'll be going to China in Feb or March as long as bf doesn't break out before. I can hardly wait, I've never been there, but the pictures I've seen are beautiful and I've heard the Chinese people are most gracious hosts. I just get upset when the Chinese government withholds sequences and also I do wonder why the Chinese people cannot access the rest of the internet without serious repercusions. And why do they get thrown in prison for reporting things that are not popular? I love all people of the world and get angry at repression.
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BeaMoth Your last post is welcome and would have been enough of a reply for me. If I have insulted you I am sorry. I hope you can get to the point faster next time as isulting others is not right either.
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BEAMOTH I have to ask, the topic of this post is a strang one for a new member to post. Most people start by saying Hi I am so and so, and by the way I......
If you felt so strong that this is a non-event then why did you come to us and make a post at all?
Why even look back at us?
What could your motive be, to get us to stop prepping?
And If so what harm could we do by buying preps( many of them made in China by the way) and helping each other deal with our own phobeas as you call them.
Do you have reservations about your own conclusions that we might help you with?
Are you concerned about Bird Flu or Anyother Global Pandemic? If so talk to us about them. If not then enjoy the rewards of your conclusion.
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Beamoth
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Oh it's ok. I haven't taken the attacks so personaly. I just beleive if you are going to discredit my post e.g. the article I posted it SHOULD BE a little more than mistrusting China. And if you do mistrust the Chinese government say so don't attacks its people i.e. for example; the scientist.
I'm quit bored arguing this point actualy. Let's quit with the ad hominem attacks and find out what could be interesting about this article. Can what the Chinese scientist know help us? |
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time will tell
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Dlugose
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In the study you are referring to, several rivers were studied, calculating how much excreted Tamiflu might be in therivers if lots of people were taking it during a pandemic. If a tiny river flowed by a large city, the drug might be concentrated enough for birds to get enough drug to acquire viruses that are drug resistant. One of the only examples found in America was the lower Colorado River where little water is left before flowing into MExico. More rivers in Britain were found.
We would more likely kill flocks of avian flu sick chickens than vaccinate a lot. China has shown that vaccination against H5N1 in chickens did not work well. The best way to make sure Federal agencies like USDA, FDA, and OSHA actually regulate inspect, and punish offending private industries, to protect the public rather than protecting profits, is to vote the pro-business administrations out of office, and complain to congressmen every time they are not doing their job such as in this years' failure of regulation of the mining industry, causing deaths.
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Yes I think the Chinese scientist are exceptional..it's only that I have little faith that what they learn is/will be released to the rest of the world. IMHO the Chinese people as a whole have superior intellect, unless that is they just hide the dumb ones, lol. People tell me I'm pretty sharp, but every Chinese person I've ever met, thinks circles around me..doubletime!
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emmajones
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I agree, prep on. If it isn't BF, it will be something else. The Stand is one of my all-time favorite books. I read the uncut version first. Later I went to the library to re-read it, accidentally got the edited - I felt cheated! Ran out and bought the uncut version, read it till it fell apart. I need to get another one |
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Very sensitive and sore subject for me. The company I work for indirectly deals with the coal mining industry which is by far the most environmentally unfriendly industry in the world. Our vulnerability not only as a nation but as human beings on this planet are being irreversibly jeopardized in ways not known to the average occupant of this planet. Al Gore has built an entire political career based on our abuses of the lack luster waste-water controls we have in place here in the US but are a quantum leap in comparison to emerging industrial nations blatant disregard for their coal industies impact on the environment they so depend on.
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Very well said, Cruiser.
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I apologize - missed the question about humans gaining immunity from eating vaccinated poultry. Short answer is no - would require an extremely unusual and unlikely chain of events with killed influenza vaccines in poultry. It would be more likely with modified live influenza vaccines, but still unlikely since most birds would be vaccinated long enough before slaughter that vaccine virus would probably not be there any more. Very unlikely with vectored influenza vaccines since the vectors I have heard of do not replicate in humans.
Sorry so slow - Merry Christmas! |
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I have read aboat a hundred of conditions of which the gene has been found. For most illness , finding the gene has not bought anyone that much closer to a cure for MS and huntings and on and on.
Scientist love these articles but they dont mean much for the average person. |
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Let's prep, this is a joke. I have seen this thing before and I know that waiting for the proof is prudent.
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Margreth
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Again another article where they found the gene. They have found the gene for MS and Huntings and several others . Scientist are far from making this imformation useful. Finding the gene does not qualifile as finding a cure or a vacination. It just means they found the gene. |
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KOMET163B
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Efforts to con us into not prepping won't work. Prep on and prep until it gets done. The simple fact is that the bird flu is coming and until a proven vaccine is actually in my hands, prepping will be a way of life.
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I would suggest that even if a vacine DOES come about, prepping should continue to be our way of life. Lots of other 'Gotchas' in this world, and AF is only one of them.
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Even if the threat of avian flu dose fizzle out, it could be just a case of changing names.
USATODAY.com - Bird flu may become latest disease to jump to humans. Posted 2/19/2006 6:42 PM Bird flu may become latest disease to jump to humans ST. LOUIS (AP) Humans risk being overrun by diseases from the animal world, according to researchers who have documented 38 illnesses that have made that jump over the past 25 years. An Indian veterinarian inspects chickens Sunday, a day after the country's first outbreak was confirmed.By Sebastian D'Souza, AFP/Getty Images That's not good news for the spread of bird flu, which experts fear could mutate and be transmitted easily among people. There are 1,407 pathogens viruses, bacteria, parasites, protozoa and fungi that can infect humans, said Mark Woolhouse of the University of Edinburgh in Scotland. Of those, 58% come from animals. Scientists consider 177 of the pathogens to be "emerging" or "re-emerging." Most will never cause pandemics. Experts fear bird flu could prove an exception. Recent advances in the worldwide march of the H5N1 strain have rekindled fears of a pandemic. The virus has spread across Asia into Europe and Africa. Controlling bird flu will require renewed focus on the animal world, including the chickens, ducks and other poultry that have been sacrificed by the tens of millions to stem the progress of the virus, experts said at a news conference late Sunday at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "The strategy has to be looking at how to contain it in the animal world, because once you get into the human side, you're dealing with vaccines and anti-retrovirals, which is a whole new realm," said Nina Marano, a veterinarian and public health expert with the National Center for Infectious Diseases. Bird flu has killed at least 91 people most of them in Asia since 2003, according to the World Health Organization. It appears to kill about half the people it infects. However, should it mutate so it can pass from human to human, it likely will grow far less deadly, said Dr. Stanley Lemon, of the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. "It is very unlikely that it would maintain that kind of case mortality rate if it made the jump," Lemon said. Each year, one or two new pathogens and multiple variations of existing threats infect humans for the first time. That pace appears to be unsustainable in the long run because it would imply that people run the risk of being overrun, Woolhouse told reporters. "Humans have always been attacked by novel pathogens. This process has been going on for millennia. But it does seem to be happening very fast in these modern times," Woolhouse said. Woolhouse argues that either many of those diseases and other afflictions will not persist in humans or that there is something peculiar today allowing so many of them to take root in humans. One explanation may be the recent and wide-scale changes in how people interact with the environment in a more densely populated world that is growing warmer and in which travel is faster and move extensive, Marano said. Those changes can ensure that pathogens no longer stay restricted to animals, she added. Examples from recent human history include HIV, Marburg, SARS and other viruses. That prospect leaves open the question of what future threats await humans. "It always surprises us. We think that avian flu will be the next emerging disease. My guess is something else might come out before that," said Alan Barrett, of the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. "It's very hard to anticipate what comes next." |
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