CCW or firearms license

wolfgang2000 wrote: VtDoc wrote: I was thinking about all of this, when I saw weapons being taken during Katrina by authorities. I am not saying that, I think the police or officials didnt do the right thing, Katrina was a mess, with people shooting at rescue workers, and old ladies swinging guns in the face of cops, but I have a feeling, I could be wrong, that the law was not asking to see a permit, that it was more so, if you had a weapon, they wanted it.   They confiscated a lot of legally owned firearms and often with some heavy handed tactics including physical violence on at least one elderly woman.  As far as the reports of people shooting at rescue workers, most--if not all--of those stories were simply not true.  An even if they were, I don't see how going house to house looking for guns could possibly make a difference.  The real solution would be to actually look for the shooters and disarm them, and it's just a lot easier to beat up a grandmother and take her .22. VtDoc I have to agree with you on this. All the police did was go to the homes of the "regestered gun owners" and take their weapons. There were many documented cases of rescuers being shot at. But the didn't go after those guns. All they did was make the victim base larger by seizing legally owned weapons.

Wolfgang,

I'm certainly no expert on what the police in New Orleans did in the aftermath of Katrina. But I wonder if the search of the houses of registered gun owners you alluded to, was done because the homes were vacant, abandoned or unlivable and it was feared that any guns left on those premises would be stolen by looters?

Look, I own several handguns and rifles......all legally owned. Do you think the police would be within their rights to seize one of my handguns if I left it in the glove box of my unlocked car? I'd say yes for the simple reason that it's unsafe to allow easy access to a gun for whoever happens to be walking by.

In New Orleans, I guess the problem would have been easy access by the public to guns in unsecured or abandoned homes. The problem for the registered gun owner would then be how to reclaim their confiscated property. In the case of Katrina, I would imagine any ownership records the gun owner had, might have been washed away or destroyed in the flood waters. Proving ownership might have been next to impossible, so reclaiming weapons might have been impossible.

Now I'm not saying that this is what happened down there, because I just don't know. But I would think a concentrated search for weapons in every home, secured or unsecured, in New Orleans after the flooding would have been a monumental task even under ideal circumstances. But were they conficating these weapons because there was a problem they had to deal with or because they just felt like breaking the law and had nothing better to do?
    

detpat,

Really? In the civil action you mentioned, was it the city that lost immediately or the people initiating the suit that lost?

I'm surprised they were able to confiscate many weapons period. I mean, people had to know it was going on and word of the illegal searches and seizures would have had to spread like wildfire, wouldn't it? I'm surprised that those people didn't hide their weapons beforehand. I know I would have and in all the devastion that happened in that city, I don't think it would have been too difficult to find places to stash my weapons.

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      I've had those. The problem is I waste all my ammo.

actually, no.  the feds passed a law stating that no federal funding may be used to pay for such a thing, but as you are probably aware folks have already cooked all sorts of ways of getting around that.  these usually involve local money and or groups doing the property stealing.

  unfortunately i see this sort of thing ending in violence someday.  although many states have passed their own laws forbidding this loathsome practice on their level.
  pat

hmm.... hollow point illegal to caryy in a weapon, what are the legalities if you use your weapon without the type of round that you qual with?

Tigger, I've seen these. They nice plinker's, but unless you can't afford better I wouldn't bet on them is a self-defense roll. Yes yo only need 1 shot, but what if you miss, or there are more than 1 bad guy?

I could understand the Rossi as a backup to a Mini or AR, but not as my sole defensive rifle.

Tigger2,

I'm a big fan of the AR-15 Carbine 16" barrel. The stopping power with the 55 grain ball round is impressive and better than a .40 cal hollow point from a handgun.

It's not too good for hunting since the round does so much damage.

If starting from scratch for defense, I would get a good reliable and concelable handgun like a glock in 9mm or .40 cal and an AR-15 with a chrome lined barrel for reliability, with enough magazines for both, and plenty of ammo.

I too have an unused lower, and was thinking about a 6.8, but I can't find any 6.8 ammo

mach wrote: I too have an unused lower, and was thinking about a 6.8, but I can't find any 6.8 ammo

Mach It's out there. But all ammo is short supply right now. At least to us civilians. The militaries around the world are buying is all up.

I really like the ballistics of the 6.8SP. It's a true intermediate round.

the hollow point ban by NJ isn't a cop issue, it's another unconstitutional restriction by the NJ government. NJ is a predatory state gov and should be avoided by any right thinking citizen.  in general, case law has not held that cops using ammo outside of their dept policy is not a legal issue.  and as for the status of us regular subjects, only NJ has such draconian laws.

  why should there be special laws and priveliges for police only?  We shouldn't have special laws for special people.  if our rights are ignored, so should all.

   pat

oh yea- if anybody lives in nj, hollow points are not illegal to own, just illegal to use.   

That is probably the biggest threat to public safety for a 'public safety law' I have ever heard. I guess the govt of NJ would rather have rounds go thru BGs and hit innocent bystanders so the legal gun owner who is protecting his family can be procecuted for harming an innocent person because the round goes thru the BG and strikes someone else.

And who owns rounds that can't use?

If ANYONE is on a tight budget and wants a LR just for an emergency self defense role, then it's the Mossin Nagaunt (did I spell that right).  They are Russian arms, and this is why people are against them.  But the bottom line is they are always on sale at Big 5 for at or around $100.  I'm not suggesting this is the best all around gun you can buy, but for the money you can't beat it.  I have several friends who bought one just to play with, and they are very satisfied with it for what it is.  I think it's a nato round, but not sure.  Do I have one?  No.  I have a Mini-14 with 20 round mags, a 30-30, and a Golden Boy.  I don't need one, but if I felt I needed a gun for 'just in case' and only had a hundred bucks,,,,,this is the gun.  It's ugly, but don't let the looks deter you.  Pretty solid firearm.

Yeah, that would make sense Wolf.  An old Russion gun shooting a NATO round.  Duh!!!!  I'll go beat my head against the wall now 

Don't beat your self up. It's a common mistake. The 7.62 get you. They measure differently than us. Their 7.62 measures out to a .311 caliber. Our 7.62 measures out to a .308 caliber.

Again you made a excellent point. There is a firearm for every budget. The naguant a strong inexpensive rifle.    

wolfgang2000 wrote: Don't beat your self up. It's a common mistake. The 7.62 get you. They measure differently than us. Their 7.62 measures out to a .311 caliber. Our 7.62 measures out to a .308 caliber.

    

No wonder why all there hardware is questionable. They can't even measure millimeters right!
     

mach wrote: wolfgang2000 wrote: Don't beat your self up. It's a common mistake. The 7.62 get you. They measure differently than us. Their 7.62 measures out to a .311 caliber. Our 7.62 measures out to a .308 caliber.      No wonder why all there hardware is questionable. They can't even measure millimeters right!

    
It's how they measure that is different. The common way to to measure a rifle bore is from grove to grove. The Russians measure from land to land. Why??? I don't know. That is just what they do.

Mach, how does the Yogo shoot? All I've had is Russian and chi-com.

Is not extracting the case, or not throwing it free?


It could be the varnish. Is the chamber pitted? Right not I have more questions than answers

We live in the northeast and CCW laws are tight. You basically have to prove that someone is trying to murder you or that you carry large sums of money on your person daily to even apply for the permit here.

TRY md IF YOU THINK nj IS TOUGH.  sTATE pOLICE EVEN ASKED MMY BANKER FOR MY ACCOUNT NUMBERS