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    Posted: January 02 2007 at 3:21pm
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I can not find any referance to your comment about the airplane exposure or the epidemic.Pls provide your sites.
 
The WHO site for child health is who.int/mediacentre events/2006/q8summitvaccine
 
10.6 million children die 61% are from preventable diseases for which there are vaccines...
 
6.5 million is the number
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Dr. d.
Listen, if you want to continue to spout out inaccurate and rediculous prefabrications, be my guest Your figures are farther off than the earth is from Jupiter.

Why did you choose "MDR resistant tubercuosis" as your next topic when you are still talking vaccinations.

Regarding childhood death from lack of vaccinations, This is the 3rd vague, incomplete link you have sent me which does not lead to any page in particlular.
Perhaps you don't know how to create a full and valid link.

Once again: you "need" to go back to
www.globalhealth.org which you suggested in the first place, and you "need" to stop changing your sources to suit the "soup of the moment".

Look under Child Health and then scroll down to Routine Vaccination. It says the following:

"Vaccinating for the major childhood killers could save 1.4 million children per year."

And you know something Dr. D., I really feel sorry for those 1.4 million children that died from lack of vaccination for every disease under the sun amenable to vaccination (with no mention of influena...the bulk of the deaths are from lack of measles vaccine)..... but once again, I do not see where this whole matter fits into WHO's discussion of H5N1 vs the present mycobacterial tuberculosis (with drug resistant strains) pandemic gripping Europe and Asia (YOUR PRESENT TOPIC).

So let's you and I speak, doctor to doctor, regarding the 2 major possiblilities at the moment for a woldwide Pandemic, possibly such as 1918, that the The World Health Organization (WHO) seems exta concerned with:
either H5N1, better known as "Bird Flu" or the present MDR TB, XTB, refular TB and Bird TB (M. avium) which, as we speak has Europe and Asia already in its griip.

This is of critical importance doctor, because even World Health and the CDC will tell you that one (H5N1)is a "flu" and the other (MDR TB< XTB,regualar TB and fowl tB)is a "flu-like illness".

CDC (Center For Disease Control), maintains the following:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/diagnosis/

"Respiratory illnesses caused by influenza viruses are difficult to distinguish from illnesses caused by other respiratory pathogens on the basis of signs and symptoms alone (see Role of Laboratory Diagnosis)"

Both illnesses in this discussions focus usually have respiratory presentation doctor.

One of the tests that must be done, of course is to rule in or rule out H5N1 But certainly we realize that these tests must be done at high-end level reference laboratories and WHO dosen't really trust many others besides its own. That might take time and time, in the face of dying patients in front of you, timne is of the essence.

I will now address the issue of how quickly MDR TB can kill and then will in another post go on to address your totally rediculoous statement that TB requires prolonged exposure to contract it. That notion is commonly believed and unfortunately was in 1918, despite the fact that "galloping consumption" was common then.It is the nature of TB epidemics to be virulent, contagious and quick killing when a strongly pathogenic strain is newly introduced into a population, it is not the indolent TB you see today in the Western World which like every other continent has gone through at least one Pandemic already. But that does not mean that a new MDR strain cannot kill us efficiently.
So for now lets handle the misconception that tB cannot kill quickly. Well let me tell you a little story, well not really a story, a slice of history, in fact,relatively recent American medical history:

Unfortunately, it was the evasive and complacent philosophy of organized medicine which, much like yourself, led to the resurgence of American TB between 1985 and 1992. In 1990, new multi-drug-resistant (MDR) tuberculosis outbreaks took place in a large Miami municipal hospital. Soon similar outbreaks broke out in three New York city hospitals, many sufferers dying within weeks (YES, I SAID WEEKS). These strains were resistant to all known anti-tB antibiotics. By 1992, approximately two years later, drug-resistant tuberculosis had spread to seventeen US states, with mini-epidemics in Florida, Michigan, New York, California, Texas, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania and was reported, by the international media, as out of control. MDR (Multi-Drug-Resistant) TB has been the focus of attention for some time and seems extremely important in a disease that killed one billion (yes, billion) people between 1850 and 1950 alone, and continues to kill, according to WHO at least 2 million humans each year and is still responsible for one death every 12 seconds worldwide.





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Just a friendly suggestion Tony - your message might be better recieved if delivered in a "nicer" tone. You might be a great doctor, but you need to work on your bedside manner as it were.  Smile
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Tony's message was well received by me for the truth and reality of a pandemic deserves nothing less than an upfront and honest discourse of the subject matter at hand.  Dr.d has also provided much valuable insight to the problems at hand and I welcome the input provided here from all of the valuable members contributions.  No one "expert" will provide all the answers to the many questions we will face.  I'd also hate to see any member leave because they were discouraged from voicing their viewpoints as they see fit.

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Thank you Cruser:
I appreiate that my message was well received by you. My message is just what it has been since I began, when you speak of a future Pandemic, you cover all major bases and according to The World Health Organization, at this moment, there are two: H5N1 and the current MRD-TB pandemic going on in Europe and Asia
I both appreciate and respect your fairness and the integrity of what you have said.
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Thank you Jofa, I will have to work on that.
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http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/state/16396061.htm
 
Texas  ...... USA      Hi found this today searching for other info , wasn't sure which thread to post on ,forum has a few TB thread's going , scarey in Africa ....... hope its just all a may have been for all these folks . Cheers ....
 
Posted on Sat, Jan. 06, 2007
Health officials: 2,800 may have been exposed to TB
Associated Press

LUBBOCK, Texas - Concerned that about 2,800 people may have been exposed to tuberculosis at a West Texas hospital, state health officials are mailing warnings encouraging testing for the disease.

The possible exposure at Lubbock's University Medical Center occurred between September and November of last year, but the hospital was not alerted until last month. Privacy laws don't allow the hospital to name who caused the possible exposure to TB.

Hospital employees are tested for TB each year, hospital spokesman Greg Bruce.

The Texas Department of State Health Services said only people who receive the letter should be tested. The agency stressed this was not an outbreak.

"There's no immediate danger," Bruce told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal for Thursday editions.

TB is caused by bacteria that can attack the kidney, spine and brain, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The disease can be fatal if left untreated.

Letters are standard procedure whenever TB is reported, state health services spokesman Barry Wilson said. He noted that officials were very liberal in compiling the list of people who may have been exposed.

"Unless they've been coughing for three weeks or more, it's not something they should be overly concerned about," Wilson said. "This is really a routine procedure for us."Confused  Thats like a Monty Python movie { only a flesh wound }

Dr. Richard Lampe, the hospital's chairman of infection control, said it was doubtful that anyone exposed at UMC would show symptoms yet.

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hi Tony...  I started a thread on TB a while back, here...
 
Several people made interesting contributions ..if you want to have a look.
 
 
 
 
Posted: 09 September 2006 at 9:20pm
good point Linda-Ann, it has been here a while...and they say -
 
"It is estimated that between (yrs) 2000 and 2020, nearly one billion people will be newly infected, 200 million will get sick, and 35 million will die from TB – if control measures are not significantly improved."
 
I agree that Who has not really got the word out to the average American on this... TB PANDEMIC...
 
I hope our members are checking this out.... I used the word Pandemic,
as they do...it's here. 
 
 
 
Projections of the future toll of the global TB pandemic are even more frightening. Currently,
it is estimated that less than half of all TB cases worldwide are diagnosed, and fewer than 60
percent of diagnosed cases are cured
. Without unprecedented efforts to improve TB control
in regions hardest hit by the disease, incidence is expected to climb steadily. Tuberculosis
will remain one of the world’s top ten causes of adult mortality in the year 2020;

 

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Candles and AnnHarra:
Good, solid, constructive posts regarding a thread originally categorized by Dr. D. to explore the other side of a possilbe Pandemic coin. Very informative. We thank you.
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From UK
UK  , fingers crossed they are all negative..................
 
TB alert at primary school
SIXTY pupils at a Banbury primary school are being offered blood tests after a member of staff was diagnosed with potentially infectious tuberculosis.

The pupils, aged three to five, at St Leonard's Primary School, in Overthorpe Road, may have been exposed at the end of last year.

Parents have received letters advising them that their children can be screened for the disease which affects the lungs, by the Health Protection Agency's Thames Valley Health Protection Unit, in partnership with the school and Oxfordshire Primary Care Trust.Parents are also being advised that the children may be offered further follow-up blood tests after the initial screening.

12:00pm todayhttp://www.redhillandreigatelife.co.uk/news/overthecounter/display.var.1108794.0.tb_alert_at_primary_school.php

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Something has to be pretty universal before it becomes a ...phrase....
familiar to all.
 
Big Wigs.... ya'll know how old that one is.
 
and
 
"Sounds like a TB ward in here."
 
I sure hope we never get to that place again.
 
Have many seen the Avonlea show where the little girl in the family has to go away to a sanatorium?
 
A big thank you to the Gates family and Mr. Warren Buffet who are all giving their time and money to keep the world well.
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June 25, 2006

Statement on Warren Buffett’s Announcement

Bill and Melinda Gates made the following statement in response to Warren Buffett's announcement that he will give his fortune to philanthropy.
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“We are awed by our friend Warren Buffett’s decision to use his fortune to address the world's most challenging inequities, and we are humbled that he has chosen to direct a large portion of it to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Over the past 15 years, we have enjoyed a special friendship with Warren, and his advice has had a major influence on us. Warren has not only an amazing intellect but also a strong sense of justice. Warren’s wisdom will help us do a better job and make it more fun at the same time.

The impact of Warren’s generosity will not be fully understood for decades. As we move forward with the work, we do so with a profound sense of responsibility. Working with Warren and with our partners around the world, we have a tremendous opportunity to make a positive difference in people’s lives.”

Read more about the announcement on Fortune.com.

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Guided by the belief that every life has equal value, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation works to reduce inequities and improve lives around the world. In developing countries, it focuses on improving health, reducing extreme poverty, and increasing access to technology in public libraries. In the United States, the foundation seeks to ensure that all people have access to a great education and to technology in public libraries. In its local region, it focuses on improving the lives of low-income families. Based in Seattle, the foundation is led by CEO Patty Stonesifer and Co-chairs William H. Gates Sr., Bill Gates, and Melinda French Gates.

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A sanatorium (also sanitorium, sanitarium) is a medical facility for long-term illness, typically tuberculosis. A distinction was sometimes made between a "sanitarium" (a kind of health resort, as in the Battle Creek Sanitarium) and "sanatorium" (a hospital).

According to the Saskatchewan Lung Association, when the National Anti-Tuberculosis Association was founded in 1904, it was felt that a distinction should be made between the health resorts with which people were familiar and the new tuberculosis treatment hospitals: "So they decided to use a new word which instead of being derived from the Latin noun sanitas, meaning health, would emphasize the need for scientific healing or treatment. Accordingly, they took the Latin verb root sano, meaning to heal, and adopted the new word sanatorium" [1].

In the early twentieth century, tuberculosis sanatoriums (or sanatoria) were common in the United States. The first tuberculosis sanatorium for blacks was Burkeville, Virginia's Piedmont Sanatorium. Waverly Hills Sanatorium, a Louisville, Kentucky tuberculosis sanatorium, was founded in 1911. It has become a mecca for curiosity-seekers who believe it is haunted [2]. A.G. Holley Hospital in Lantana, Florida is the last remaining freestanding tuberculosis sanatorium in the United States [3].

Switzerland had many sanitoriums, as it was believed that clean mountain air was the best treatment for lung diseases. The ill of Europe were sent to recover there. The Heliantia Sanatorium in Valadares, Portugal was used for the treatment of bone tuberculosis between the 1930s and 1960s.

After 1943, when Albert Schatz, a graduate student at Rutgers University, discovered Streptomycin, the first true cure for tuberculosis, sanatoriums began to close. Around the 1950's, tuberculosis was no longer a major public health threat and so most of the sanatoriums had reached the end of their lives. Most sanatoriums were demolished years ago.

Some, however, have assumed updated medical roles. The Tambaram Sanatorium in south India is now a hospital of excellence for AIDS patients [4]. The state hospital in Sanatorium, Mississippi is now a regional mental retardation center. Other facilities, such as the hill station of Matheran, India, have transitioned to the role of health resort [5].

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Odds of TB are double for Type 2 diabetics

Web Posted: 01/12/2007 09:26 PM CST

Cindy Tumiel
Express-News Staff Writer

Diabetes batters the immune system in a way that makes it more susceptible to tuberculosis, according to new research by Brownsville scientists who looked at patient records from hospitals in the Rio Grande Valley and northern Mexico.

People with Type 2 diabetes were twice as likely to have tuberculosis as non-diabetic patients, according to the study directed by Dr. Joseph McCormick, regional dean at the University of Texas School of Public Health in Brownsville.

"In an area where TB is already circulating and where we have an epidemic of diabetes, that means the two are going to interact," he said. "And it appears that diabetes alters the immune system in a way that makes them more susceptible" to developing active tuberculosis infections.

The findings were discussed last week at a conference of tropical disease specialists and were published online in August in the journal Epidemiology and Infections.

About a third of the world's population is infected with tuberculosis bacteria. In most, the bacteria lie dormant. But when infections become active, people develop debilitating and potentially fatal lung complications. They also can spread the bacteria to others.

Though tuberculosis is not a widespread problem in most of the United States, it is a significant public health issue in the Texas border region with Mexico, where the infection rate is twice as high as the rest of the state.

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The same border region also has one of the highest rates of Type 2 diabetes, to which Hispanics are genetically susceptible. McCormick said estimates are 20 percent of adults in the Valley have Type 2 diabetes.

In their study, the researchers looked at Mexican and U.S. data on patients in the border region who were hospitalized for active tuberculosis infections from 1996 through 2002.

Scientists were interested in identifying risk factors for tuberculosis along the border. Diabetes proved to be a bigger risk factor than HIV infections or alcohol abuse, two other conditions linked to the disease.

"What we are seeing is two to two and a half times the rate of diabetes among our TB patients than we see in the general population," McCormick said. "That means that for some reason if you've got diabetes you are more susceptible to developing TB disease."

Though there is no clear explanation, Dr. Ralph DeFronzo, a diabetes expert at the University of Texas Health Science Center who was not involved in the study, said the culprit likely is chronically high blood sugar levels, which damage the immune system, as well as organs.

Doctors already know that diabetics who do not manage their disease are prone to serious fungal infections not seen in people with healthy immune systems, DeFronzo said. So the findings by McCormick come as no surprise.

"One could very much anticipate that they would be predisposed to infections like TB and fungus infections," DeFronzo said.

"I think this is a big public health problem," DeFronzo said. "It means we have to have public health intervention down there."

McCormick said public health researchers have begun a new study among patients now being treated for TB to see if the data confirms what they found when looking at historical records. That study is expected to take two years.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA112806.01B.TB_diabetes.2eede7c.html
ctumiel@express-news.net

As originally published, this story contained an error.

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candles, Thank you for posting this. On top of having brain damages from a fall, my husband has type 2 diabetis. Thank you again.
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For another take on that:
http://www.drbroxmeyer.netfirms.com/diabetes.pdf

Also, an article in the New England Journal of Medicine said 4 or 5 years ago that the largest ethnic group with the highest case rates of tuberculosis that has immigrated to the United States are from Mexico.
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http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070114/NEWS01/701140330/1010
Could only post this part of news , was tricky to post , contact details at bottom of news via link
 
Gadsden County student has tuberculosis
By Nikki Beare
SPECIAL TO THE DEMOCRAT

HAVANA - A student at East Gadsden High School was removed from class Friday after testing positive for tuberculosis.

The Gadsden County Public Health Department has sent notices to all students, faculty and staff who were in close contact with the student, who was not identified. Tuberculosis is a bacterial infection affecting primarily the lungs. It can be contagious and is treated with antibiotics con't ..........................

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 Hi Satomick this popped in on a health news site re diabetes ......Interesting read..

Griller a clue to disease

Robyn Riley         January 14, 2007 12:00am

A REVOLUTIONARY diet developed by Melbourne scientists offers the best hope yet for tackling diabetes and heart disease.Researchers have discovered that regularly eating toasted, barbecued or caramelised food may trigger the diseases. A team at the Baker Heart Research Institute is studying why these foods contribute to the development of type 2 diabetes and heart disease. Researcher Dr Barbora de Courten says the culprits in food are substances called advanced glycation end-products, or AGEs -- a product of a chemical reaction between sugar and protein, often called browning, that occurs in food preparation and adds flavour and aroma. Dr de Courten says: "We know AGEs have an important role in a range of diseases, most notably in the development of complications of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease."

The revolutionary new diet is attracting international support, as diabetes kills more than three million people worldwide a year.

Dr Josephine Forbes, who has been studying the effects of AGEs on body tissue at the Baker, says that in people with type 2 diabetes, the elderly, obese, or those with heart disease, this caramelising of protein can accumulate in the body and is made worse by a diet high in AGEs. "When this happens, AGEs in the diet modify the protein in tissue, leading to brittle vessels and other complications often seen in diabetes and heart disease," she says. The Baker Heart Research Institute needs volunteers, aged between 18 and 50, who are healthy, overweight, who do not smoke or take any medications, to join the study next month.

Contact study co-ordinator Sonia Dougherty on 9276 2948 or on s.dougherty@alfred.org.au

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Originally posted by tony m tony m wrote:

For another take on that:
http://www.drbroxmeyer.netfirms.com/diabetes.pdf

Also, an article in the New England Journal of Medicine said 4 or 5 years ago that the largest ethnic group with the highest case rates of tuberculosis that has immigrated to the United States are from Mexico.
   OT  but another border disease . of cysticercosis Ouch
How's this .................
INVASION USA
Rare brain worms
latest border disease

Fatal disease found in developing countries
with poor hygiene habits hits South Texas


Posted: January 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Medical professionals in South Texas have identified another disease that has apparently slipped across the border – caused by a rare brain worm that can be fatal and is being spread by unsanitary food-handling practices.

While not yet classified as a "major outbreak," several cases of cysticercosis have been identified in South Texas, a spokesman for San Antonio's Metro Health District told KENS-TV, San Antonio.

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 Since 2003 undiagnosed TB ........
 
TB would have been the reason for the malnutrition .
 
Death due to TB and malnutrition

A 38-YEAR-OLD heroin addict was the thinnest man a doctor had carried out a post-mortem on in his whole career, an inquest heard.

Mark Cordina died at home in Normandy Close, Sydenham, on October 4 last year after a long struggle with his addiction and undiagnosed Tuberculosis.

The former mechanic fitter, unable to work since 2002, began having chest problems in 2003.After refusing treatment on several occasions and only contacting doctors at The Vale Medical Centre, Perry Vale, Forest Hill, by telephone, his condition worsened and made him unable to eat properly.

Mum Geraldine told Southwark Coroner's Court: "In the evenings I would make ham, egg and chips and a milkshake, but he'd never eat it all.

"When he had anything big, he couldn't breathe properly, so he would only have small amounts."

Two days before Mr Cordina's death, he was violently sick but refused to be taken to hospital.

Ms Cordina added: "The surgery faxed a script to the chemist to stop him being sick and said they would send a doctor if he did not get better.

"But the next day he seemed okay and we spent most of the evening watching television."

He woke his mum at 5.30am on the following morning, asked for a drink and then went back to bed.

Ms Cordina said: "I went back at about 9am and he was just lying there, cold and not breathing.

"I shook him, screaming to wake him up, but I knew he was dead."

Doctor Peter Jarreat, who performed Mr Cordina's post-mortem, said: "He was suffering from severe malnutrition.

"This, combined with the pulmonary TB, was a contributory factor in his death.

"TB would have been the reason for the malnutrition.

"I don't think I've seen a body that emaciated in my whole career."

Coroner John Sampson said Mr Cordina had declined intervention from the ambulance service.

He added: "I conclude the cause of death is natural cause."

9:43am today

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Interesting Candles. The cases of undiagnosed tuberculosis running around out there are legendary and in its chronic, indolent form, it wasn't called "consumption" for lack of a better term. When it presents like this, in man or animals, it's a chronic wasting disease, practically indistinguishable from the rest of the chronic wasting diseases as well as "malnutrition".
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Candles... seems that ... Cysticercosis...gets around.
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OT  but another border disease . of cysticercosis Ouch
How's this .................
INVASION USA
Rare brain worms
latest border disease

Fatal disease found in developing countries
with poor hygiene habits hits South Texas

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and.....
 
"...Failure to wash hands after using the restroom can result in contaminating food and infecting further victims...."
 
(really makes one want to...eat out)
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Newsletter of....
 
 
 
Hong Kong College of Physicians
 
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SEPTEMBER  2005    RESTRICTED TO MEMBERS ONLY
 
 
 
excerpt....
 
 
Situations of Porcine Cysticercosis and Human Neurocysticercosis in Kathmandu Valley, Nepal

B.S. Sapkota, F. Hörchner, L. Srikitjakarn, M.N. Kyule, M.P.O. Baumann
Berlin (Germany); Bhaktapur (Nepal); Chiang Mai (Thailand)
 
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Pork tapeworm (Porcine Cysticercosis)- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
NEPAL...... Is this what was going around a while back....they didn't know what it was?
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Besides tuberculosis and MDR tuberculosis, I'm afraid that there will be many, many hertofore relatively uncommon parasitic diseases coming across our presently wide open Southern border and I'm not so sure that merely having food handlers with such infesttions wash their hands will kill the resistant cyst phase of cysticercosis or ameobiasis or virulent strains of intestinal E. coli for that matter.
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It can take a very long time (months or even years) from the time a person is exposed to TB to them showing any symptoms of the disease.If the body's defences become weak the infection may reactivate, becoming full-blown TB   Question time if I may ..... with all the people unaware of TB in their system what would happen if they were to be hit with the BF virus ? Ages ago I read on gov site , can't find it now be kind I am a blonde who speed reads they , the gov site had a graph for pandemics , there was an unnamed one after BF . I have not seen a whisper of that graph since but often think about it .

Outbreak of tuberculosis reported on Vancouver Island

Canadian Press

PORT ALBERNI, B.C. — There has been an outbreak of tuberculosis in the Alberni Valley, with 14 confirmed cases.

Dr. Fred Rockwell, medical health officer for the Vancouver Island Health Authority, said he would be surprised if the fourteenth case is the last one to be diagnosed.

Of the cases, three people have died, one from an unrelated motor vehicle accident and one as an indirect result of the TB infection, Dr. Rockwell said.

The health authority did not confirm whether TB contributed to the death of the third person.

Two additional cases of the disease have been identified elsewhere on Vancouver Island and are linked to the Port Alberni outbreak, Dr. Rockwell said.

It can take a very long time (months or even years) from the time a person is exposed to TB to them showing any symptoms of the disease.

If the body's defences become weak the infection may reactivate, becoming full-blown TB.

The number of cases present in the Alberni Valley is considered an outbreak because it is well beyond the typical five cases a year seen on all of Vancouver Island.

All those with the disease are now on supervised treatment programs, health authority officials have confirmed.

Dr. Rockwell said the infected people are a select group, although he would not confirm if the cases are limited to a particular geographical area or social group.

The case considered to be the source of the outbreak has been identified and dates back to 2005, although health officials may never know how or where that person contracted the illness.

Typical symptoms of TB disease include loss of appetite, weight loss, fatigue, fever and night sweats and coughing (if the lungs are involved).

If the disease is affecting the lungs and the patient is coughing up a lot of germs, they are placed in isolation.

Treatment for the disease involves long-term administration of several different antibiotics at once.

Health authority officials say public health nurses from the health authority and the Nuu-chah-nulth tribal council have tested all household contacts.

Testing is being offered to work and social contacts related to the outbreak but the risk to other residents of Port Alberni is low.

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"Question time if I may ..... with all the people unaware of TB in their system what would happen if they were to be hit with the BF virus ?"

Tuberculosis itself is the classical master of immunosuppression, for several reasons: it hits the lymphatics and likes to tent out in the body's macrophages, both components of the immune system. It also can destroy many of these. Undoubtedly, this could lead to increased susceptibility to BF, but also a host of other infections including other "atypical" strains of tuberculosis itself, such as bird or fowl tuberculosis (M. avium) or M. bovis.

I think the key word in the paragraph "It can take a very long time (months or even years) from the time a person is exposed to TB to them showing any symptoms of the disease.".......is the word "can". It can indeed take a very long time, especially with the type that we have, up to this point, experienced in our "developed" western societies, having already taken the brunt of previous, way more ravaging epidemics and pandemics in the past.

This does not mean, however, that different strains of tuberculosis, including M.avium, cannot exchange genetic materials through bacteriophage (or in this case mycobacteriophage). transfer with "human" strains (or human strains with human strains) and present us with an MDR or multi-drug-resistant type that spreads and can kill in a matter of weeks such as hit 7 or 8 States in the early 1990's. Much depends on the virulence of the strain and the susceptibility of the population to that strain, much as has been attributed to BF ("High path", "Low path") For example, we might not be able to fight Mexican stains of the disease quite as well and for as long as those we in general seem to have been able to do with our own.
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     Smile Thanks Tony M , your post reply was a top read , thankyou for your time ... cheers Candles 

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Enjoyed all your posts, Candles. I should be the one to thank you.
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What does this mean?
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What does "what" mean? We have been fairly clear here.
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 Tony M , hi   gnfn isn't a fan of what he feels is OT ,{ he mentioned that on another thread } which is cool , and thats gnfn 's humour................................ { dismay of more OT }  but I hope he may notice this link to Lawrence Broxmeyer  and sit back and read .  
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Bird Flu , Influenza and 1918 ; The case for mutant Avian tuberculosis.  
 
                                         
                              
 
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Thank you Tony M. Your posts are much appreciated.

Candles, thank you also. I did not know diabetes could cause me to be more susceptible to t.b., even with all the research I have done on this disease. Thanks again.

If ignorance is bliss, what is chocolate?
   
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Candles, you are a person of unusual insight and I look forward to reading your future posts.
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http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=296480
 In South Africa, XDR-TB patients may visit hospitals as out-patients and then go home, which means they can easily pass the disease in their community, the paper said.
XDR-TB patients at the rural hospital in the eastern province of KwaZulu-Natal, where the super bug was first detected, sleep in a special room but are free to move around the TB ward and even allowed to leave on a day pass.   
       
  On some of the old TB threads , we have read some of the patients were clueless to how sick they were , some thought they would be fine in time ...................those people are going to be terrified if they are all forced into isolation , and it was only a short time ago they were saying 60 dead 300 infected , now 74 dead , 400 infected ........ Ouch

 
South Africa should forcibly isolate patients infected with a highly drug-resistant strain of tuberculosis to stop the disease from spreading on the HIV/Aids-hit continent, researchers said on Monday.

South Africa's outbreak of extreme drug resistant tuberculosis (XDR-TB), which has killed at least 74 people in the last several months, may force authorities to override patients' personal rights in favour of the greater public's health, the study in the journal PLoS Medicine said.

"XDR-TB represents a major threat to public health. If the only way to manage it is to forcibly confine then it needs to be done," said Jerome Singh, study co-author and lawyer at Durban's Centre for the Aids Programme of Research in South Africa.

"Ultimately in such crises, the interests of public health must prevail over the rights of the individual."

TB, an airborne bacillus spread through coughing or sneezing, can usually be cured through treatment. However, the XDR-TB strain may have mutated when patients skipped treatment or were dispensed inadequate antibiotic cocktails.

South Africa has logged almost 400 cases of XDR-TB, which is virtually impervious to treatment by most common TB drugs, and an unprecedented 30 new cases are diagnosed every month, according to the study.

The outbreak has alarmed medical experts who say XDR-TB poses a particular danger to HIV-positive people whose immune systems are already severely compromised by the Aids virus.

South Africa has one of the planet's highest HIV/Aids caseloads with about 5,5-million people infected in a population of 45-million. Most of those who died of XDR-TB have tested positive for HIV.

South Africa's highly mobile workforce, rising overseas tourism, and the prevalence of XDR-TB in Johannesburg, the main transportation hub, increases the chance of XDR-TB spreading past national borders and into other African countries struggling with high HIV/AIDS infection rates, Singh said.

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South Africa's post-apartheid Constitution contains some of the world's strongest safeguards of individual liberties and the government has thus far been silent on whether it may isolate XDR-TB patients. Singh said it is the public's duty to press the government into opening the debate.

In South Africa, XDR-TB patients may visit hospitals as out-patients and then go home, which means they can easily pass the disease in their community, the paper said.

XDR-TB patients at the rural hospital in the eastern province of KwaZulu-Natal, where the super bug was first detected, sleep in a special room but are free to move around the TB ward and even allowed to leave on a day pass.

However, the challenge to control XDR-TB requires not just policy changes but also more state spending, the paper said.

Long-term hospital stays increase the national health-care tab and burden overstretched clinics particularly in rural areas with heavy patient loads, said Singh, adding hospitalised XDR-TB patients should automatically qualify for a social grant.

The World Health Organisation has called for the world to prioritise XDR-TB on par with bird flu and recommended governments in impoverished sub-Saharan Africa develop one strategy to deal with the twin challenges of HIV and TB.

Further complicating the XDR-TB problem is that diagnosis and treatment of the disease is time-consuming and costly, surveillance often inadequate and no new drugs have been developed in 40 years. - Reuters
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Fine post.
The problems with tuberculosis recognition and treatment are only compounded by MDR-tuberculosis and XDR-tuberculosis. But in all cases, significant problems exist. Here, a well-executed Indian study done at the University of Delhi, India, showed that even in the case of treatable TB, and upon using appropriate anti-TB drugs the germ simply is chased into and reverts to a non-acid fast, granular, cell-wall-deficient form, extremely difficult to pick up diagnostically as a recrudence, and, at the same time antibiotic resistant. And from these dormant granules Tuberculosis only reappears, at the time and place of its choosing, in its classical form. Such a description fits that of "Much's" granules, named for its discover long ago, precisely.



1: Tuber Lung Dis. 1992 Oct;73(5):273-9. Links

Studies on cell-wall deficient non-acid fast variants of Mycobacterium tuberculosis.

Chandrasekhar S,
Ratnam S.

Department of Microbiology, Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute, University of Delhi, India.

While the host-parasite relationship in tuberculosis still remains incompletely understood, there has been recent renewed interest in indications that tubercle bacilli are converted into metabolically inactive, non-acid fast (NAF) granular forms in the presence of host
defence mechanisms and antituberculosis drugs. The present study investigates the mechanism of induction of these NAF variants in vitro and in vivo, and their ultimate pathogenicity. Evidence is provided that appears to clearly indicate that acid-fast mycobacteria are converted into NAF, cell wall deficient variants which remain dormant, only to revert to the parent, acid-fast bacilli in immune-compromised hosts, thence ultimately producing disease. It is then suggested that
this may be one of the causes of the observed persistence of the bacilli in hosts in spite of chemotherapy.

In a typical study in experimental animals in the present investigation, NAF variants were
separated from lung lavage by differential centrifuging. When these were then injected into animals made immune-deficient with Freund's adjuvant or cyclophosphamide, they reverted to parent acid-fast forms.

The presence of these NAF forms as variants of M. tuberculosis, and not merely contaminants, was clearly established by a number of methods. These included phase contrast and electron microscopy, immunological
studies employing antiserum and comparison with the parent organisms, and gel electrophoresis of the proteins of the parent organisms. Other evidence is also offered confirming the hypothesis of reversion of NAF
forms. It is also shown in this study that NAF forms can be induced in vitro by hydrolases.

PMID: 1493235 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Hi guys , Tony M could you take a look over on this TB thread in the news section , re the Africa latest news , media is going hard on the story and some members seeking more info on TB and meds . I posted link to here also and posted with your name your last post { hope that was ok } Smile
 
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Second TB case causes concern      USA..

This week's news that a second East Gadsden High School student had been discovered with tuberculosis was a shock to county residents. But officials say they're taking an aggressive approach to the health problem.

"Testing is ongoing," said Sylvia Byrd, administrator for the Gadsden County Health Department, which is reporting an abundance of phone calls from concerned residents, "and precautions are being taken to ensure transmission remains at a minimum."

"Common symptoms of TB include fever, cough, night sweats and weight loss," he noted. "Tuberculosis is treatable, and medicines can help a person fully recover."

The two students have been isolated from other students and given medication, he said. Department officials declined to comment on their current condition.

According to the Mayo Clinic's Web site (www.mayoclinic.com), TB symptoms take several weeks to develop. It also stated that there are differences between TB infection and active TB. With TB infection, the bacteria remain dormant within the lung for a long time. The patient may not even feel sick.

If the disease is active, it can be transmitted to others by coughing, sneezing or even talking.

Byrd said that if you or someone you know needs to be tested, you should tell your primary health-care provider or the Gadsden County Health Department. The Health Department charges $10 for the TB skin test.

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Yes, US schools, industry and the work place rely heavily on the TB skin test.

But in reality, the entire diagnosis of TB is unfortunately problematic. Chest x-rays are hit and miss at best. They rely on differentiating densities of infected, say lung tissue and radiologists have long known that one can have a perfectly homogenous tubercular infection involving both lungs that escapes X-ray detection.

The PPD or Purified Protein Derivative, the TB skin test, was originally honed to government specifications by biochemist Florence Seibert. The problem here is two-fold. Approximately 5 years ago Aventis pulled the second strength 250 tuberculin Unit skin test from the American market. This test, when clinically tuberculosis was suspected, was rarely negative and with its removal, American medicine lost one of its most potent ways of detecting the disease. The reasons given were two studies, done decades ago, which basically called into question whether the higher strength TB skin test wasn't picking up "atypical" mycobacteria, including cow and bird TB as well as human tuberculosis. Having reviewed the literature they sent me on this, I came to a much different conclusion: that the higher strength TB skin test, still offered in Australia, Europe and elsewhere as a 100 unit version, was indeed pulled from the US market because doctors and hospital pharmacists where not ordering it, so that it was not economically feasible. That company's medical director at the time responded that this assessment was possibly right.

This left on the American market the watered down 5 tuberculin unit TB skin test, which usually reads negative, even in the face of disease. This skin test relies heavily on an intact immune system, something which TB by its very nature, does not often allow.

It has been known for quite some time that a negative TB skin test does not mean that you do not have the disease. It could just as well mean that your immune system is so tied down in trying to fight it off that it cannot muster the antibody response that turns the skin test positive.

And the diagnostic problem does not stop there. Cultures and stains of sputum, gastric washings and other body secretions are just as often negative as positive, although procedures such as bronchoscopy yield somewhat better results. Invasive diagnostic biopsies, done frequently in the past, such as of the liver and bone marrow, are done infrequently, just for the diagnosis of tuberculosis, today. And even the vaunted Polymerase Chain Reactors or PCRs aren't always positive with tuberculosis and much less sucessful in detecting "atypical" tuberculosis. Furthermore, studies such as the Indian report listed above point to the fact that TB often reverts back to its stealth, acid-fast negative, cell-wall-deficient forms and in this disguise is near impossible to pick up.

So where does this leave the present state of our diagnostic capacities to detect this disease? In those fortunate cases where the bacilli rear their head in acid-fast stains or cultures of sputum, gastric washings, tissue culutes or spinal fluid.....fine and well. But a vast number of cases go beneath our present diagnostic radar.
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 The Public Health Agency of Canada currently doesn't know the scope
of the problem in this country. The last time Canadian TB statistics
were gathered, the provinces and territories were not asked to report
XDR TB cases. The TB statistics for 2006 -- which will be reported
sometime in 2007 -- will include XDR TB figures, agency spokesperson
Alain Desroches said in an e-mail.
                                                     
Canada doesn't know the scope of the problem ConfusedOuch.................... not asked to report XDR TB cases ........ well we look forward to sometime in 2007 .... where's the shame file ..............this would make a hoot of a entry................ Denial file too.......... please read post on testing below from Tony M ..... then you may be shaking your head like me ........Confused..........doesn't know the scope of the problem  ahhhhh..
 
Archive Number 20070124.0318
Published Date 24-JAN-2007
Subject PRO/EDR> Tuberculosis, extensively drug-resistant - Canada (ON)
TUBERCULOSIS, EXTENSIVELY DRUG-RESISTANT - CANADA (ONTARIO)
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Date: Wed 24 Jan 2007
From: Mary Marshall <tropical.forestry@btinternet.com>
Source: Chronicle Herald (Nova Scotia) [edited]
<http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/554590.html>


A Toronto hospital is treating several cases of extensively drug 
resistant tuberculosis, with one of the patients being held in 
isolation under court order, the doctor overseeing the treatment said 
Mon 22 Jan 2007.

Public health experts fear the dangerous strain of tuberculosis, 
which is susceptible to very few of the anti-tuberculosis medications 
normally used to treat TB, is a global health crisis in the making. 
Dr. Monica Avendano, the physician in charge of the tuberculosis 
service at West Park Healthcare Centre, said since 2004, her unit has 
treated 5 or 6 patients with XDR TB, as it is called. All the 
patients were either infected abroad or infected by a family member 
who picked up the highly resistant strain elsewhere, she said.

"Currently, I am treating 3," said Avendano. "All of them have a 
previous history of tuberculosis that was not well managed."

Multi-drug resistant TB and the more difficult extensively drug 
resistant TB can arise one of 2 ways. A person with tuberculosis can 
fail to take all their medication, as in the case of the "not-well 
managed" patients to which Avendano referred. This spotty treatment 
allows the bacterium to survive the assault of the drugs and develop 
resistance to them. Or a person can be infected by contact with a 
person sick with XDR TB. Two of the cases Avendano has treated fall 
into this latter category.

"Both of the cases are young women who went to their country of 
origin to look after their ailing grandmothers. And the ailing 
grandmothers gave them TB. And it was XDR TB," she said.

She did not identify the countries involved. XDR TB has been found in 
a number of places, including China, South Africa, and many republics 
of the former Soviet Union. It is believed to have spread, still at 
low levels, from these jurisdictions to developed countries.

The Public Health Agency of Canada currently doesn't know the scope 
of the problem in this country. The last time Canadian TB statistics 
were gathered, the provinces and territories were not asked to report 
XDR TB cases. The TB statistics for 2006 -- which will be reported 
sometime in 2007 -- will include XDR TB figures, agency spokesperson 
Alain Desroches said in an e-mail.

Where such cases arise, they are treated in isolation, either with 
the consent of the patient or with the help of the courts. "All 
provinces and territories will use their public health legislation if 
necessary to ensure treatment of XDR TB," said Dr. Edward Ellis, 
manager of tuberculosis prevention and control with the public health 
agency. "With TB, in my experience, there's never a problem getting a 
court order if necessary. And nobody stands there saying: 'Oh, no, 
let them go.'"

Avendano said treatment with alternative drug regimes is effective, 
but it can take months of in-hospital care. Even then, it's not clear 
whether these patients -- who will be required to be seen on an 
ongoing basis -- are cured for life. That's because the strain hasn't 
been around long enough, and the treatment regime being used is too 
new to gauge its long-term efficacy.

[Byline: Helen Branswell]

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[ProMED thanks Mary Marshall for this posting. A relevant discussion 
on the XDR problem in tuberculosis can be found at: CDC: Emergence of 
_Mycobacterium tuberculosis_ with Extensive Resistance to 2nd-Line 
Drugs --- Worldwide, 2000-2004. 2006;55: 301-305. Parts of the report 
are found below:

"17 690 isolates from the period 2000-2004 were tested for 
susceptibility to at least 3 of the 6 2nd line drugs (SLD) classes. 
Of these, 11 939 were from South Korea, of which 1298 (11 percent) 
were multidrug-resistant (MDR, defined as resistance to at least 
isoniazid and rifampin). From the other Global Supranational TB 
Reference Laboratory (SRLs), 2222 (39 percent) of 5751 isolates were MDR.

Of the 3520 MDR isolates, 347 (10 percent) were XDR (defined as cases 
in persons with TB whose isolates were resistant to isoniazid and 
rifampin and at least 3 of the 6 main classes of SLDs 
(aminoglycosides, polypeptides, fluoroquinolones, thioamides, 
cycloserine, and para-aminosalicyclic acid), including 200 (15 
percent) of 1298 from South Korea and 147 (7 percent) of 2222 from 
other SRLs. The drug-susceptibility testing results were tabulated by 
year and geographic region (on the basis of the country of origin of 
the isolates) (Table 1; for table, see original URL. - Mod.LL).

XDR TB was identified in all regions but was most common in South 
Korea (n = 200; 15 percent of all MDR TB isolates) and countries of 
eastern Europe/western Asia (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Czech Republic, 
Republic of Georgia, and Russia, n = 55; 14 percent of all MDR TB 
isolates). The total number and proportion of XDR TB isolates 
observed worldwide (excluding South Korea) increased from 14 (5 
percent of MDR TB isolates) in 2000 to 34 (7 percent of MDR TB 
isolates) in 2004. Year-specific proportions were stratified by 
geographic region. Increasing proportions of XDR TB were found among 
isolates from countries of eastern Europe/western Asia (n = 5 [9 
percent] in 2000; n = 11 [17 percent] in 2003) and the group of 
industrialized nations (Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, 
Ireland, Japan, Portugal, Spain, UK, and USA, n = 3 [3 percent] in 
2000; n = 25 [11 percent] in 2004).

USA national TB surveillance data included 169 654 patients with 
drug-susceptibility testing results. During 1993-2004, a total of 
2689 (1.6 percent) MDR TB cases were identified, of which 1814 (67 
percent) had results reported for 3 or more SLD classes. Of these, 74 
(4.1 percent) had resistance to 3 or more SLD classes and thus met 
the criteria for XDR TB. Despite an overall decline in MDR TB 
incidence in the USA, the proportion of XDR TB increased slightly, 
from 37 (3.9 percent) of 944 cases during 1993-1996 to 20 (4.1 
percent) of 489 during 1997-2000, to 17 (4.5 percent) of 381 in 
2001-2004 (chi-square test for trend = 0.20; p = 0.66). During 
1993-2002, patients with XDR TB were 64 percent more likely to die 
during treatment (relative risk [RR] = 1.6; 95 percent confidence 
interval [CI] = 1.2-2.2) than patients with MDR TB.

Among 605 MDR TB patients in Latvia who initiated therapy during 
2000-2002, 115 (19 percent) had XDR TB. The proportion with XDR TB 
increased from 30 (15 percent) of 204 in 2000, to 46 (21 percent) of 
215 in 2001, to 39 (21 percent) of 186 in 2002 (chi-square test for 
trend = 2.57; p = 0.11). Patients with XDR were 54 percent more 
likely to die or have treatment failure (RR = 1.5; CI = 1.1-2.2)."

A map of Ontario, Canada showing the location of Toronto can be found at:
<http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/dg/maps/a2/750x750_ontario_m.gif>.
  - Mod.LL]
http://www.promedmail.org/pls/promed/f?p=2400:1000
[see also:
2006
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Tuberculosis, multiresistant - Hungary 20061110.3233
Tuberculosis, multiresistant - South Africa (KN)(04):nationwide 20061019.3003
Tuberculosis, multi-drug resistant - South Africa (KN) 20060904.2514]
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Off topic, but who says next pandemic must be flu?    Link here to thread ..
 
 
one of the posts from Jdljr1............
 
The form of TB, known as XDR for extensively drug-resistant, cannot be effectively treated with most first- and second-line tuberculosis drugs, and some doctors consider it incurable.

Since it was first detected last year in KwaZulu-Natal Province, bordering the Indian Ocean, additional cases have been found at 39 hospitals in South Africa’s other eight provinces. In interviews on Friday, several epidemiologists and TB experts said the disease had probably moved into Lesotho, Swaziland and Mozambique — countries that share borders and migrant work forces with South Africa — and perhaps to Zimbabwe, which sends hundreds of thousands of destitute refugees to and from South Africa each year.

But no one can say with certainty, because none of those countries have the laboratories and clinical experts necessary to diagnose and track the disease. Ominously, none have the money and skills that would be needed to contain it should it begin to spread.

Even in South Africa, where nearly 330 cases have been officially documented, evidence of the disease’s spread is mostly anecdotal, and epidemiological work needed to trace its progress is only now beginning.

“We don’t understand the extent of it, and whether it’s more widespread than anyone thinks,” Mario C. Raviglione, the director of the Stop TB Department of the World Health Organization in Geneva, said in a telephone interview. “And if we don’t know what has caused it, then we don’t know how to stop it.”

Cases of XDR TB exist elsewhere, in countries like Russia and China where inadequate treatment programs have allowed drug-resistant strains of the disease to emerge. The South African outbreak is considered far more alarming than those elsewhere, however, because it is not only far larger, but has surfaced at the center of the world’s H.I.V. pandemic.

Although one third of the world’s people, by W.H.O. estimates, are infected with dormant tuberculosis germs, the disease thrives when immune systems are weakened by H.I.V. At least two in three South African TB sufferers are H.I.V. positive. Should XDR TB gain a foothold in the H.I.V.-positive population, it could wreak havoc not only among the five million South Africans who carry the virus, but the tens of millions more throughout sub-Saharan Africa.

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WHICH IS MDR-TB AND WHICH IS HIV?

WHO:
"At least two in three South African TB sufferers are H.I.V. positive."

Although it seems comforting, for those of us who do not have HIV to believe this, there are many reasons to question this notion that most world-based active TB, including MDR and XDR strains are HIV based:

It was in this very same Africa that HIV faced its first and most serious challanges. Not only were over 65% of African AIDS patients not HIV positive (Lancet, Oct. 17, 1992) but, of those that tested positive, data suggested that the antigens in HIV-1 Elisa and Western Blots, initially claimed to belong solely to HIV, were in fact cross-reacting with tuberculosis and the mycobacteria, which includes leprosy. (Kashala,O Infection with human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) and human T-cell lymphotropic viruses among leprosy patients and contacts: correlation between HIV-1 cross-reactivity and antibodies to lipoarabinomannan. J. Infectious Diseases 169(2):296-304. 1994 Feb)

Mycobacterial cell wall components, found in all strains of TB, such as phenolic glycolipid (PGL) and lipoara-binomannan (LAM) were noted not only to strongly cross- react with p24, the sacred cow of 'HIV' isolation, but p31, also favored in the detection of HIV in the blood (Kashala, 1994). Even the most prominent and persistently detected antiben in AIDS tests (Veronese, 1985), p41, could be found in bacteria such as tuberculosis.

The take home message, at the end of the day, is just this: Just how many of these positive AIDs tests are being caused by TB and the mycobacteria?

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   A Toronto hospital is treating several cases of extensively drug
resistant tuberculosis, with one of the patients being held in
isolation under court order, the doctor overseeing the treatment said
Mon 22 Jan 2007.

This scares the daylights out of me, I'am not that far from Toronto.I have never heard any of this on the news, only by reading on this forum. Very scary!
Thanks everyone for reporting info.
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More India News http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=90872

Tuberculosis patients cry for attention in Madhya Pradesh

Pahargarh (Madhya Pradesh), Feb 7: Several villagers of Pahargarh in the Morena District of Madhya Pradesh continue to suffer from tuberculosis (TB) due to alleged neglect by state health authorities.

The patients, mostly from poor families of tribal community, said they neither have the money nor a choice to go ahead with treatment for the disease.

"It is very difficult to work with the disease. When we go to get medicines, they fleece us saying that we do not have the medicines. We now don't have any money left with us. So we will die," said Geeta, a patient suffering from tuberculosis.

The medical officer of the public health services in the area, without accepting any lapses on their part, stated he was doing whatever best he can do.

"We have promoted our work though hoarding. We have television programmes about it. Our duty is to do a survey of the patients and bring them to here to test their sputa and those found positive are provided free treatment to them under

Directly Observed Treatment, Short-course (DOTS)," said Shiv Kumar Saimil, medical officer.

Pahargarh, with a population of about 3000, has more than 400 patients suffering from tuberculosis. The figure is on the rise with each passing year.

Although the government has launched various anti-TB measures, including a programme named DOTs under which the workers are supposed to visit the TB-prone villages and treat the patients free of cost, nothing is evident in Pahargarh and many other areas in Morena District.

India's 15 million TB patients account for nearly one third of the world's cases.

According to heath observers, nearly 500,000 die of TB and the disease costs India more than 300 million dollar a year of which more than 100 million dollar is incurred in the form of debt by patients and their families.

Experts say if controls are not strengthened, an estimated 1 billion people will be infected by 2020 and 36 million people worldwide could die.
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A tragic situation. Just about all of the drugs used for tuberculosis and the mycobacteria, including 2nd line agents are now well off-patent and it is beyond reason why the generic pharmaceutical houses persist in price-fixing their already grossly inflated prices.
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  Hi Tony M  that was heartbreaking . More than tragic ,  plain  old neglect for humanity.
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Here's one - very close to home (for me anyway):

"Health Officials Confirm Stanton Student Has TB
Nearly 200 People Tested After TB Case Confirmed At High School"


excerpts:

"JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Health officials confirmed on Wednesday that one student at Stanton College Preparatory School has contracted tuberculosis....

...Doctors found that of the 180 tested, 16 had been exposed to the disease...."

Full story here:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/10957636/detail.html
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Food for thought. The article below came out by a team at the Pasteur Institure just this last December, 2006. It seems like besides the cell-wall-deficient forms of TB and MDR TB that that Indian study pointed out makes TB so hard to kill, and the fact that it is one of the few pathogens that likes to house in the body's macrophages, there is now proof of another reason for why you can't totally eradicate the disease, or at least chemotherapeutically......... it hides in the bodies fat.

This is also of interest with regards to Candle's post:
Odds of TB are double for Type 2 diabetics......................................................

It is a well known fact that this type (type 2, by far the most prevalent) of diabetes is associated with age and that weight gain is a strong risk factor. Anyeay, here's the story:


Source: Public Library of Science
Date: December 24, 2006
Full text found on: http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000043

Tuberculosis Bacillus Hides From Immune System In Host's Fat Cells

Science Daily — A team from the Institut Pasteur has recently shown that the tuberculosis bacillus hides from the immune system in its host's fat cells. This formidable pathogen is protected against even the most powerful antibiotics in these cells, in which it may remain dormant for years. This discovery, published in PLoS ONE, sheds new light on possible strategies for fighting tuberculosis. Attempts to eradicate the bacillus entirely from infected individuals should take these newly identified reservoir cells into account.

Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the bacillus responsible for tuberculosis can hide, in a dormant state, in adipose cells throughout the body. The bacterium is protected in this cellular environment, to which the natural immune defences have little access, and is inaccessible to isoniazid, one of the main antibiotics used to treat tuberculosis worldwide. These results were obtained by Olivier Neyrolles* and his colleagues from the Mycobacterial Genetics Unit directed by Brigitte Gicquel at the Institut Pasteur, in collaboration with Paul Fornès, a pathologist from Hôpital Européen Georges Pompidou. They raise questions of considerable importance in the fight against tuberculosis.

Tuberculosis kills almost two million people worldwide every year and is considered by the World Health Organisation to represent a global health emergency. However, the bacillus is much more prevalent in the world's population than the statistics would lead us to believe, because only 5 to 10% of those infected actually develop tuberculosis. The bacillus may be present in a significant proportion of the population, remaining in a "dormant" state in the body, sometimes for years, and may be "reactivated" at any time. The risk of rea ctivation is particularly high in immunocompromised individuals, such as those infected with AIDS: the HIV virus and the tuberculosis bacillus make a formidable team, with each infectious agent facilitating the progression of the other.

Neyrolles' team first demonstrated, in cell and tissue cultures, that adipose cells served as a reservoir for Mycobacterium tuberculosis, and that this protected the bacillus against isoniazid. They then investigated whether the pathogen was present in adipose cells in humans. They did this by testing for traces of the genetic structure of the bacillus in samples from people considered not to be infected. Analyses were carried out on samples from deceased subjects from Mexico, where tuberculosis is endemic, and from Parisian districts reporting very few cases of tuberculosis.

The bacterium was detected in the adipose tissue of about a quarter of these people, all of whom were unaware they were infected, in both Mexico and France. These results suggest that the bacillus responsible for tuberculosis can remain protected in the adipose tissue of the body in the absence of any sign of disease.

This work has important implications for the prevention of this disease. It helps to explain how, many years after first testing positive for tuberculosis, people with no trace of the microbe in the lungs may develop some form of tuberculosis attacking the lungs, bones or genitals. It also suggests that isoniazid treatment, prescribed to the close friends and family of patients as a preventative measure, may in some cases not provide sufficient protection against the disease. This is particularly important for immunocompromised patients and for people with AIDS, for whom a secondary infection with tuberculosis bacillus may have very serious consequences.

This work highlights the importance of the search for new targeted therapeutic weapons, such as new antibiotics, which must be able to reach the dormant bacillus that has been hiding in adipose cells without our knowing it.

Citation: Neyrolles O, Hernández-Pando R, Pietri-Rouxel F, Fornès P, Tailleux L, et al. (2006) Is Adipose Tissue a Place for Mycobacterium tuberculosis Persistence? PLoS ONE 1(1): e43. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0000043 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0000043)

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Public Library of Science.

       

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