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http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651
The new Worldwatch reports presents the science that shows that BF outbreaks almost always originate in factory farms and spread from there to backyard farms. The report shows that the culling of backyard poultry concentrates more production in factory farms, worsening the problem and depriving poor ranchers of meat and income. I believe that factory farming should be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals. |
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Report Blames Factory Farms for Bird Flu Stephen Leahy BROOKLIN, Canada, Feb 20 (IPS) - Factory farms are responsible for both the bird flu and emissions of greenhouse gases that now top those of cars and sport utility vehicles (SUVs), according to a report released Monday. Sixty percent of global livestock production, including chicken and pig "confined animal feedlot operations" (CAFOs), now occur in the developing world. Unregulated zoning and subsidies that encourage these CAFOs or factory farms are moving closer to major urban areas in China, Bangladesh, India, and many countries in Africa, said the report, "Vital Signs 2007-2008" by the Worldwatch Institute. Although there is no definitive scientific proof, those farms are very likely where avian or bird flu started and will continue to be responsible for new outbreaks, said the author of the report, Danielle Nierenberg, a Worldwatch research associate. In Laos, 42 of the 45 outbreaks of avian flu in the spring of 2004 occurred on factory farms, and 38 were in the capital, Vientiane. In Nigeria, the first cases of avian flu were found in an industrial broiler operation. It spread from that 46,000-bird farm to 30 other factory farms, then quickly to neighbouring backyard flocks, forcing already poor farmers to kill their chickens, Nierenberg writes in the report. "The growth in factory farms in the developing world is being driven by the fact that there are more people in cities and they have more money to buy meat," she told IPS in an interview. Rising incomes, populations and demand for meat has resulted in the global poultry population quadrupling since the 1960s to about 18 billion birds today. Once mostly raised under free-range conditions or in backyards by very small producers, most poultry are now kept in large flocks numbering several hundred thousand. Cramming 100,000 chickens into a single facility to produce low-cost meat also creates the perfect atmosphere for the spread of disease. For that very reason intensive livestock production systems in Europe and North America feed large volumes of antibiotics to chickens, pigs and cows to control diseases. This widespread use of antibiotics has created bacteria that are now resistant to antibiotics and pose yet another human health threat. Avian flu is a virus, but one that has long been present in wild and domestic birds and is normally harmless to humans. In 2003, a deadly strain called H5N1 evolved, and has now killed 167 people, according to the World Health Organisation. Last month, England experienced its first outbreak of H5N1 at a huge turkey farm with 160,000 birds and a meat processing facility. Infected turkey meat believed to have been shipped in from the company's factory farms in Hungary is thought to be the original source of the disease, according to British officials. On Monday, Russian health officials confirmed an H5N1 strain outbreak in five different regions around Moscow. Officials there blamed migrating wild birds even though it is the middle of winter in Russia. Russia's Novosti news agency said scientists traced the source of the virus to a pet market in Moscow. The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) in Rome and the WHO have also blamed wild birds and backyard flocks for the spread of the virus. As a result, at least 15 nations have restricted or banned free-range and backyard production of birds. But that may do more harm than good, said Nierenberg. "Many of the world's estimated 800 million urban farmers, who raise crops and animals for food, transportation, and income in back yards and on rooftops, have been targeted unfairly," she said in a statement. "The socioeconomic importance of livestock to the world's poor cannot be overstated." There is mounting evidence that there are other vectors of the disease. No wild birds have been detected with the virus in Europe or Africa this winter, yet there have been outbreaks in Nigeria, Egypt and Europe. Illegal and improper trade in poultry is thought to be the reason for these outbreaks. "Our research shows that the global poultry trade and migratory birds are involved in the spread of H5N1," said Peter Daszak, executive director of the Consortium for Conservation Medicine in New York and an expert on the spread of disease in wildlife. The combination of large numbers of birds being raised together, the international trade in poultry and migratory birds are a perfect receipt for the global spread of disease, Daszak said in an interview. However, there is a "bit of blame game going on" as some cite factory farms and others migratory birds as the source of H5N1. "New diseases are one of the costs of development and growth," he said. Daszak and colleagues have documented the rise of various diseases such as Ebola, BSE, CJD, HIV/AIDS, and H5N1 bird flu, and believe they are the result of environmental change, which is almost always caused by humans. Because humans share so many pathogens with animals, humans' impact in driving wildlife diseases in turn threatens public health. "Many of us at the outset underestimated the role of trade," Samuel Jutzi, director of Animal Production and Health at the FAO, told the International Herald Tribune last week. "The poultry sector is the most globalised in agriculture," Jutzi said. "There is incredible movement of chicks and other products." The pathogenic H5N1 form of avian flu does not usually develop in wild birds or backyard poultry because their populations are too spread out and diverse, said Cathy Holtslander, project organiser for the Beyond Factory Farming Coalition, a Canadian NGO. Concentrating huge numbers of animals in small spaces, feeding them the cheapest food possible, centralising and speeding up processing, and distributing the product widely around the world is the perfect recipe for spreading disease, Holtslander told IPS. The growing numbers of livestock around the world are responsible for 18 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions (as measured in carbon dioxide equivalent), according to the FAO. It's not just methane and manure -- the FAO shows that land-use changes, especially deforestation to expand pastures and to create arable land for feed crops, is a big part. So is the use of energy to produce fertilisers, to run the slaughterhouses and meat-processing plants, and to pump water. Already surpassing emissions from the world's transportation sector, livestock numbers are rising fast. "The world's poor probably need more meat, but we in North America and Europe should eat a lot less meat," said Nierenberg. And it would be better and healthier to get meat from small-scale, localised production systems. Factory farms provide cheap meat only because the real costs in terms of air and water pollution, terrible conditions for workers and animals and so on are not factored in, she said. "The U.S. infrastructure can barely handle the problems caused by factory farms," Nierenberg said. "I don't know how they can address these in the developing world." (END/2007) |
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Official Says Factory Farms Not Source of Bird Flu.
Two journalists watched while top WHO official knocked on door at Bernard Matthews. "Anybody in there!?" he demanded. "Nobody in here but us chickens," came the quietly chuckled response. "No bird flu here," said the official as he drove away. "Bird Flu!" said the reporters, "Oh. I thought the story was that a bird flew." |
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This article just touches the surface of the problem and also the corruption involved in misleading information about H5N1 and other deseases that are obviously comming out of these type of operations.
I have personally visited one of these facilities and it is absolutely disgusting. If everyone who eats chickens had to go to these facilities to get your chicken you would DEFINETELY not eat it. |
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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell
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Factory farms are responsible for both the bird flu and emissions of greenhouse gases that now top those of cars and sport utility vehicles (SUVs), according to a report released Monday.
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If ignorance is bliss, what is chocolate?
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Yes, livestock flatulence and methane from waste is a major contributer to greenhouse gasses in atmosphere. This is known from good science. New technology can turn that into a paying energy sideline, which clouds that debate. But the disease problem has no solution but to stop crowding animals together, and we've run out of time to talk about it any longer. I have no words to describe how I feel about the fact that factory-farmed animals have not reduced hunger because cheap meat still goes on the backsides of rich consumers; and now we see that the meat that has been reaching the poor, the backyard ranch, is being wiped out by the factory farmers claiming that is the source of bird flu.
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Here is a link to an article in an Australian newspaper that invites short essays for the online version.
Any of you Aussies think they'd print one calling for a boycott of factory farms? http://www.smh.com.au/news/heckler/feathers-fly-to-prove-there-is-such-a-thing-as-a-free-lunch/2007/02/22/1171733947893.html |
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I doubt that Factory Farms are the cause of Avian Flu. It is more likely that Factory Farms are just a big brewing pot for mutations, once the virus infiltrates the farms. Factory Farms Fueling Bird Flu! not the cause!
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silly me I thought the cause was Qinghai Lake that had all those migratory birds and tens of meter thick bird droppings at the lake.
Roughly the same place that the "spanish flu" started back in 1916/17 (see the Lancet journals of the time) |
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We trade... they trade... TRADE... spreading... viruses.... worldwide.
trade ...WHY?
HUGE BIRDIE FACTORIES need trade.... amazing chicken consumption.
poultry/eggs come to USA from...Russia...China... Mexico... EU. etc...
this trade... country to country... spreads multiple strains of diseases
faster than the wild birds can mix it up.
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as the Germans say...
Also the trade with birds, in particular chickens, might surely have a certain meaning for the further spread of the virus
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simple or what?
NAI viruses can be divided into highly pathogenic notifiable avian influenza (HPNAI) and low pathogenicity notifiable avian influenza (LPNAI):
HPNAI viruses have an IVPI in 6-week-old chickens greater than 1.2 or, as an alternative, cause at least 75% mortality in 4-to 8-week-old chickens infected intravenously. H5 and H7 viruses which do not have an IVPI of greater than 1.2 or cause less than 75% mortality in an intravenous lethality test should be sequenced to determine whether multiple basic amino acids are present at the cleavage site of the haemagglutinin molecule (HA0); if the amino acid motif is similar to that observed for other HPNAI isolates, the isolate being tested should be considered as HPNAI;
LPNAI
are all influenza A viruses of H5 and H7 subtype that are not HPNAI viruses.
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just found this...interesting.
excerpt...
Factory Farm v Migratory Birds as Vectors
A reference was removed to this study suggesting that industrial poultry operations - not migrating birds - are the main vector for transmission of avian flu: http://grain.org/briefings/?id=194 The Lancet (Vol 6, April 2006, in Leading Edge) has picked up the story and backs the GRAIN study. Here is some relevant, and important, text:
The Lancet story can be found here (subscription only): http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/section?volume=6&issue=4§ion=Leading+Edge Mackinaw 11:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
October 2004: Researchers discover H5N1 is far more dangerous than previously believed. "In the past, outbreaks of highly pathogenic avian influenza in poultry began following the primary introduction of a virus, of low pathogenicity, probably carried by a wild bird. The virus then required several months of circulation in domestic poultry in order to mutate from a form causing very mild disease to a form causing highly pathogenic disease, with a mortality approaching 100%. Only viruses of the H5 and H7 subtypes are capable of mutating to cause highly pathogenic disease. In the present outbreaks, however, asymptomatic domestic ducks can directly introduce the virus, in its highly pathogenic form, to poultry flocks."WHO Limiting this conclusion to domestic waterfowl proved to be wishful thinking, as in later months it became clear that nondomestic waterfowl were also directly spreading the highly pathogenic strain of H5N1 to chickens, crows, pigeons, and other birds and that it was increasing its ability to infect mammals as well. From this point on, avian flu experts increasingly refer to containment as a strategy that can delay but not prevent a future avian flu pandemic. November 2004: The U.S.'s National Institutes of Health's (NIH) National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases's (NIAID) Influenza Genome Sequencing Project to provide complete sequence data for selected human and avian influenza isolates begins.Nature article: "Race against time" from Global spread of H5N1 WAS 4.250 20:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks Ann
That's a good piece of science writing (http://grain.org/briefings/?id=194) and the smoking gun that proves that Factory farming is cause of BF Industry is lying |
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I don't like factory farming but it does seem to me that Free Range Poultry
farming would have to be far more dangerous than factory farming because of the potential for stock to mingle with wild birds. Indeed the only way to stop contact with wild birds in to enclose the poultry in some sort of structure . |
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What makes me wild is driving by a farm where the chickens are running
around the pigs :/
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Isolation and Characterization of H4N6 Avian Influenza Viruses from Pigs with Pneumonia in CanadaDepartment of Pathobiological Sciences, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of WisconsinMadison, Madison, Wisconsin 537061; Veterinary Laboratory AgencyWeybridge, New Haw, Addlestone, Surrey KT15 3NB, United Kingdom2; and Animal Health Laboratory, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario N1H 6R8, Canada3
Received 16 May 2000/Accepted 14 July 2000 In October 1999, H4N6 influenza A viruses were isolated from pigs with pneumonia on a commercial swine farm in Canada. Phylogenetic analyses of the sequences of all eight viral RNA segments demonstrated that these are wholly avian influenza viruses of the North American lineage. To our knowledge, this is the first report of interspecies transmission of an avian H4 influenza virus to domestic pigs under natural conditions. |
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These cases and deaths all were reported to have had close contact with chicken and contracted H5N1 from that close contact .
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The facts show that BF starts in factory farms and spreads to backyard poultry operations from factory farms, and that wild birds are not the significant carrier they were recently thought to be. |
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Kparcel - The facts show that bird flu is carried by wild birds . Clearly if they are allowed to mingle with poultry there is likely to be cross infection .
I am not saying anything about factory farms other than some how it is necessary to seperate wild birds from poultry and the only way that I can see to do that is to enclose the poultry in a shelter. |
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How long has the BF been around???How long have we had factory farms??Please show the facts!!!!!
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They dont help ,but noway can be the cause!
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more on pigs and flu.....
August 2004: H5N1 Bird Flu epidemic in Asia - Spread to Pigs in China: WHO BBCInfluenza Virus Infections of Pigs - Part 2
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=15036530Experimental dual infection of pigs with an H1N1 swine influenza virus (A/Sw/Hok/2/81) and Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae.Zen-noh Institute of Animal Health, 7 Ohja-machi, Sakura, Chiba 285-0043, Japan. yazawas@zk.zennoh.or.jp Dual infection of pigs with swine influenza virus (SIV) and Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae was carried out to compare the clinical and pathological effects of dual infection in caesarian derived and colostrums deprived (CDCD) pigs, with that of a single infection with M. hyopneumoniae. In Experiment 1, 40-day-old CDCD pigs were inoculated only with SIV (A/Sw/Hok/2/81, H1N1). The virus was isolated from nasal swabs for 5-6 days. None of these pigs showed clinical signs of infection throughout the experimental period. These results suggested that this strain can infect pigs but is only slightly pathogenic when it is inoculated singly to a CDCD pig. In Experiment 2, 60-day-old CDCD pigs were inoculated with M. hyopneumoniae and then were inoculated with SIV (A/Sw/Hok/2/81) at 1 week (MHYO-7d-SIV-7d group) or 3 weeks (MHYO-21d-SIV-7d group) after M. hyopneumoniae inoculation.
Macroscopically, dark red-to-purple lung lesions were observed in all of pigs at 14 or 28 days post-inoculation. Percentages of dark red-to-purple lung lesions in dual infection groups (MHYO-7d-SIV-7d group: 18.7 +/- 4.2%, MHYO-21d-SIV-7d group: 23.0 +/- 8.0%) were significantly (P < 0.05) increased compared to those of each control group in which pigs were inoculated only with M. hyopneumoniae (MHYO-14d group: 4.7 +/- 2.9%, MHYO-28 group: 3.3 +/- 2.4%).
Microscopically, bronchial epithelial lesions (epithelial disruption, degeneration, hyperplasia and formation of microabscess) were frequently observed in dark red-to-purple lung lesions of only the dual infection groups. These results demonstrate that the lung lesion of pigs inoculated with M. hyopneumoniae and SIV is more severe than that of pigs inoculated only with M. hyopneumoniae.
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AnnHara - scary stuff .
Is it normal in America for large operations to mix pigs and poultry ? I would have expected to see it more in small family farms. |
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I don't see any way around factory farming. THe world is stuffed with people, somehow enough food has to be produced. I just don't see the ability to produce enough food without factory farming.
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Since almost every BF case proceeds out of factory farms, when factory farming ends, then BF threat very possibly will end. If Factory Farming ends there will be a tremendous boom in ranching, and hundreds of millions of people who would otherwise starve will be fed. Today there are nearly 1,000,000,000 families that raise livestock. On the other hand, the middle class will see a temporary shortage of meat, probably not long enough to have a statistical effect on health, but it's possible that middle class people will eat so little meat that they will live longer. |
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Kparcell hi thanks for the above story , this info is from Australia on factory farming , seems we are very much in the shame file so to speak . I hope someone gifted with the keyboard will send in short essays . Here's a little of our shame file...... Where is our Bio Security ????? We can't be this lucky not to have serious problems yet ....
Battery hens suffer for their entire lives crammed in tiny wire cages unable to walk, flap their wings or scratch in the soil. Battery hens are some of the most abused animals on the planet. ALV was founded in 1978 specifically to help these intelligent birds. Since this time ALV has worked tirelessly to draw public attention to these animals. The campaign involves everything from educating the public, to rescuing hens from their cage prisons and filming their appalling conditions. Our open rescue teams have conducted numerous investigations at battery hen factory farms around Australia and the world, documenting cruel and illegal conditions and rescuing sick and injured birds. ALV does not endorse or promote any commercial egg production because half the chicks hatched are male and killed at day old by the egg industry because they’ll never lay eggs, they are macerated in industrial blenders, suffocated in plastic bags or drowned in buckets at day old. And all laying hens used in commercial egg production are slaughtered prematurely when their economic productivity decreases. To get involved in the campaign please contact banbatterycages@alv.org.au ABC’s Four Corners last year ran an investigative report on the RSPCA turning a blind eye to cruelty for the benefit of commercial interests. ALV is keeping the pressure on the RSPCA over their continued failure to help all creatures great and small. The RSPCA is authorised under Section 24 of the Victorian Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act to prosecute for cruelty to animals. The RSPCA has consistently ignored clearly documented cases of animal abuse on factory farms. Despite being presented with clear video and photographic evidence of horrific animal suffering at numerous factory farms (including PACE farms, Australia’s largest battery egg producer) by the ALV animal rescue team, the RSPCA has never launched a cruelty prosecution. What the RSPCA has done, to their disgrace, is enter into a business arrangement with PACE FARMS that makes them hundreds of thousands of dollars. ALV has attended all of the RSPCA’s major public events handing out our “RSPCA checklist leaflet” to educate the public about what’s wrong with the RSPCA. To get involved in the campaign please contact rspcacampaign@alv.org.au. BROILER CHICKENS see Annharra's post on broiler chickens . Broiler chickens are birds raised for their flesh. Globally over 46 billion chickens are killed for meat each year making them, along with fish, the most abused animal on the planet. They are crowded into warehouse sized sheds holding between 40,000 - 64,000 birds and 'grown' to adult size in only eight short weeks through the use of growth promotants and cruel 'skip-a day' feeding regimes on parent birds. This abnormal growth rate causes widespread crippling and lameness due to the extreme weight forced onto young unformed bones. Their bedding is never changed and they must sit or lay on the accumulated droppings of 40,000 other animals. The stench inside these sheds is overwhelming. ALV recently conducted a fourteen month investigation into Parkhurst Farms, a huge ‘broiler’ chicken factory farm near Melbourne and exposed horrific cruelty as well as dead birds left rotting in the sheds being eaten by other birds. The investigation, which included the rescue of over 200 sick birds, has already received national coverage in Australia and New Zealand. ALV’s 80 page photographic cruelty complaint is keeping the plight of these birds raised for their flesh in the headlines and is also used for reference in objections to planning permit applications against building even more of these unhealthy and filthy animal concentration camps. To get involved in the campaign please contact broilercruelty@alv.org.au or visit www.openrescue.org to find out more about our chicken industry investigations. ALV are part of the global campaign against KFC, aimed at stopping the company's routine cruelty to animals. ALV have conducted numerous undercover investigations into KFC supplier farms and documented immense cruelty to animals, including birds with broken and crippled legs, birds dying of starvation and dehydration, birds crammed in with and eating decomposing corpses, and birds suffering from a range of debilitating diseases. At the slaughterhouse many of these birds are fully conscious when their throats are cut and when they are dropped into scalding water to remove their feathers. ALV also conduct weekly demonstrations outside Melbourne’s busiest KFC and have handed out over 100,000 leaflets, posters and postcards detailing KFC’s cruelty to animals to customers and passers by, many of whom have been horrified to learn about the suffering involved in the ‘colonel’s secret recipe’. To get involved in the campaign please contact kfccruelty@alv.org.au or visit www.openrescue.org |
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This is a very good read on updated events...
Factory Farms, Bird Flu and Global Warming « Stephen Leahy ...
http://stephenleahy.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/factory-farms-bird-flu-and-global-warming
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The grandfather of all oldboy industries is meat. These cowboys own the oil industry, a new and temporary diversion. Candles, you ask, "Where is our biosecurity?" The industry is betting they can control bird flu until it dissapears. That failing, in the the US we have FEMA.
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After we ban factory farming, lets ban all vehicles to end the needles deaths that occur every day. Lets think of the children! I would also be for the mass slaughtering of all cows and chickens. We can all become vegetarians and not have to worry about contracting these horrible diseases.
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"And it would be better and healthier to get meat from small-scale, localised production systems. Factory farms provide cheap meat only because the real costs in terms of air and water pollution, terrible conditions for workers and animals and so on are not factored in," said the author of the report, Danielle Nierenberg, a Worldwatch research associate.
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"We need an urgent investigation into the links between bird flu, intensive farming methods and the increasing international movement of eggs and poultry products around the world.
"A growing number of researchers suggest that industrialised farming provides the perfect conditions for low-pathogenic versions of the disease to mutate into much more virulent strains – warm, crowded, nutrient-rich environments, heavy with “viral load” – and that it is the burgeoning international trade in live birds, hatching eggs and other poultry products that is primarily responsible for their spread from country to country." http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f23b5320-c4e4-11db-b110-000b5df10621.html God Bless Caroline Lucas: "The writer is a Green party Euro-MP for south-east England and was vice-president of the European Parliament’s inquiry into the UK government’s handling of the 2001 foot-and-mouth disease." |
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kparcell, not disputing the horrors of crouding animals in their own feces. In order to not have factory farms though, there has to be enough land available and owned by the right people to free range animals. I know I could stand to eat less meat. I'm trying to eat meat only a few times per week. I'ld rather eat beans and rice instead of chicken anyday. I just don't know if the numbers add up to be able to produce enough withoutr factory ranching. I guess like you said, there would be a transition period. |
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Link for consumer affairs Irradiation Debate updates , posted for the info below on slaughter houses , check the numbers per minute.......... http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/02/pubcit_irradiation.html Irradiation is cheap, costing consumers less than five cents per pound for meat or poultry, when done on large volumes of food products. Not the AnswerBut Food & Water Watch, a Washington-based organization, contends that irradiation is not the answer to food safety problems. "That 5,000 people in the United States die every year from foodborne illnesses is tragic," said Food & Water Watch Executive Director Wenonah Hauter. "Food producers need to address the source of the problem -- too fast processing lines and dirty conditions at plants -- not promote an expensive, impractical and ineffective technology like irradiation." Irradiation does not kill all the bacteria in food and may undermine other food safety efforts by masking filthy conditions and encouraging improper handling, Hauter said. She said irradiation can mask filthy conditions in today's mega-sized livestock slaughterhouses and food processing plants. Slaughterhouses process up to 400 cows per hour or 200 birds per minute, posing an enormous sanitation challenge where E. coli, Salmonella and other potentially deadly food-borne pathogens can be spread through feces, urine and pus. "Americans do not want to eat feces and pus even if it has been irradiated," Hauter said. "Instead of encouraging expensive treatments like irradiation, USDA should give meat inspectors the tools to test products at the plant and ensure that contaminated meat never reaches restaurants or supermarket shelves." Food & Water Watch also argues that irradiating the U.S. food supply would be extraordinarily expensive, requiring about 80 multimillion dollar irradiation facilities. Although the U.S. Food & Drug Administration has approved irradiation of many foods, Food & Water Watch claims the supporting data were "paltry and flawed." Weighing in to support irradiation is the American Council on Science and Health, which yesterday said irradiation "could greatly reduce illness from foodborne pathogens and make our already safe food supply even safer." |
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I ain't a tree-hugger. I will continue to drive my SUV, and get my food from factory ranches and farms.
Your 'transition period' will mean a lot of folks will be eating rice&beans, or that soy crap.
First, you'll get the TPTB to put a ban on factory farming/ranching. Then you'll get them to put a ban on those 'gas-guzzlin SUVs'. Then you'll say, we need to be a 'greener' nation, and depend less on oil, coal, and nuclear power, that we need to develop solar and wind more effectively. Then, of course, you'll move to ban all internal combustion engines, cause of course, you got them to ban the SUV, cause it's good for the environment and other BS.
You're almost as fanatical as that idiot Gore. And hey, go figure, according to a Tennessee think tank, Gore uses 20x (twenty times!) the amount of electricity and gas in a month, that a normal US household uses in a YEAR.
Hello, Mr. Pot? Kettle Black calling Mr. Pot...
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Hi mach
Shutting down factory farming would only affect availability of meat temporarily and soon feed more people, but the point is that it would probably end the bird flu threat. And the best chance for the meat industry is to get ahead of the curve on this and return to ranching. Unfortunately, the meat industry doesn't have a strong progressive base, so it's unlikely it will handle the danger here well to it or us. <DIV><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chronic_wasting_disease_dec_2004.jpg" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chronic_wasting_disease_dec_2004.jpg</A></DIV> |
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Uhm, since when? Ever been to a real WORKING ranch? Most ranchers I know are all about the latest tech, trying to get better genetics to advance the breeds, producing more meat with smaller herds.
Next thing you'll say is that hunting is a bad thing.
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I believe that factory farming should be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals. End Bird Flu = End Factory Farming |
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"...Next thing you'll say is that hunting is a bad thing. ..."
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game must be inspected.. and hunting is dangerous if the warnings are not heeded.
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There will be an impact on US Hunters when LPAI becomes HPAI
as in states in the EU.... ..................................................................................................... http://www.iisd.ca/ymb/ais/ymbvol123num1e.html "...He said the EC works closely with the European Member States to develop an EU-wide response and biosecurity strategies. On implications for wild bird conservation, Lentner highlighted the EU Birds Directive, which provides for protection of wild birds and regulation of hunting. He underscored the EC’s position on culling, which is that it is neither advisable nor justifiable, has little scientific support, and may facilitate the spread of the virus. He said hunting is now prohibited in areas of outbreaks and live decoys are banned in high-risk areas...." .............................................................
thanks, great site.
http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/ States showing....H5N1 http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/LPAI-Table.jsp .................................................................................................... H5N1 isn't the only problem.
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from this thread...
Info from USDA BY STATE-
This info below is mainly from... 2004
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Chronic wasting diseaseFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaChronic wasting disease (CWD) is a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) of deer and American elk (wapiti). TSEs are caused by unusual infectious agents known as prions. To date, CWD has been found only in cervids (members of the deer family). First recognized as a clinical "wasting" syndrome in 1967 in mule deer in a wildlife research facility in northern Colorado, it was identified as a TSE in 1978. CWD is typified by chronic weight loss leading to death. There is no known relationship between CWD and any other TSE of animals or people. CWD also has been diagnosed in farmed elk and deer herds in a number of States and in two Canadian provinces. The first positive farmed elk herd in the United States was detected in 1997 in South Dakota.
In the mid-1980s, CWD was detected in free-ranging deer and elk in contiguous portions of northeastern Colorado and southeastern Wyoming. In May 2001, CWD was also found in free-ranging deer in the southwestern corner of Nebraska (adjacent to Colorado and Wyoming) and later in additional areas in western Nebraska.
The limited area of northern Colorado, southern Wyoming, and western Nebraska in which free-ranging deer and/or elk positive for CWD have been found is referred to as the endemic area.
Soon after diagnosis of the disease as a TSE, Colorado and Wyoming wildlife management agencies stopped the movement of deer and elk from their research facilities; wild cervids have not been translocated from the endemic area.
In 2002, CWD also has been detected in wild deer in south-central Wisconsin, southwestern South Dakota, the western slope of Colorado, southern New Mexico, and northern Illinois.
CWD also has been diagnosed in farmed elk and deer herds in a number of States and in two Canadian provinces. The first positive farmed elk herd in the United States was detected in 1997 in South Dakota.
Since then, 25 additional positive elk herds and three positive farmed deer herds have been found:
South Dakota (7), Nebraska (4), Colorado (10), Oklahoma (1), Kansas (1), Minnesota (1), Montana (1), Wisconsin (2) and New York (1).
An additional case has also been reported in West Virginia. As of October 2002, three of these 27 positive herds remain under State quarantine.
Twenty-three of the herds have been depopulated or have been slaughtered and tested, and the quarantine has been lifted from one herd that underwent rigorous surveillance with no further evidence of disease.
CWD also has been found in farmed elk in the Canadian provinces of Saskatchewan and Alberta and in free-ranging mule deer in Saskatchewan.
Species that have been affected with CWD include
Rocky Mountain elk (Wapiti),
mule deer, white-tailed deer, black-tailed deer, and moose. Other ruminant species, including wild ruminants and domestic cattle, sheep, and goats, have been housed in wildlife facilities in direct or indirect contact with CWD-affected deer and elk with no evidence of disease transmission. There is ongoing research to further explore the possibility of transmission of CWD to other species
Distribution of chronic wasting disease in the North America in December 2004
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Here is the best and most objective science:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651 Factory farming could be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals. What is factory farming? WARNING: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO CONTAINS SCENES OF EXTREME VIOLENCE: http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm&speed=_med Factory farms or Bird Flu? Our choice. |
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What did that video have to do with People Eating Tasty Animals? It's the other PETA group...they're about as believable as the ELF. Aren't they the group that's on trial for illegal disposal of animals?
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Shutting down factory farming is not going to end the threat of the avian flu. A more realistic approach would be for the world to eliminate all birds. If we kill all the birds in the world, this would put an end to it! How far are we truly willing to go to protect our children? I say 'KILL THE BIRDS, SAVE THE CHILDREN'! |
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Here is the best and most objective science:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651 Factory farming could be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals. What is factory farming? WARNING: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO CONTAINS SCENES OF EXTREME VIOLENCE: http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm&speed=_med Factory farms or Bird Flu? Our choice. |
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