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The following article was lifted from the HNiman website and describes Flu in Aswan Egypt. Mild H5N1 more efficient Transmission 26 Mar 2007 It is a three-year-old girl who was tested positive to the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus, Egyptian Health Ministry spokesman Abdel-Rahman Shahin said. The girl, identified as Hagar Mohamed Awadallah, came from southern Egyptian governorate of Aswan, about 700 km south of Cairo. The above comments describe the third child (3F) from Aswan with confirmed H5N1. The first child (10F) was hospitalized March 13. The second child (2M) was hospitalized three days later, while the above child was hospitalized March 22. Three cases hospitalized within a nine day period from the same region are cause for concern. These patients appear to be infected with a milder strain of H5N1. US NAMRU-3 has sequenced the HA and NA of the first two cases ( A/Egypt/2321-NAMRU3/2007 and A/Egypt/2331-NAMRU3/2007). The NA from the two Aswan patients are identical, and closely related to isolates form two patients from central Egypt (Beni Suef, A/Egypt/0636-NAMRU-3/2007 and Fayyoum, A/Egypt/1394-NAMRU3/2007. The HA sequences in Aswan however, differ from each other by a single nucleotide, but are distinct from the patients in central Egypt, which have a 3 nucleotide deletion. The 3 nucleotide deletion matches chicken sequences from Hunan province in China. In Aswan, the HA sequence has a novel cleavage site that matches earlier isolates from whooper swans in Mongolia. Although the two sets of HA sequences match earlier HA sequences from China or Mongolia, all of the sequences from the Aswan patients have a series of polymorphisms that define isolates from Egypt. Thus, the Aswan sequences have evidence supporting recombination and reassortment. The acquisition of a new cleavage site in Aswan, is similar to changes in northern Vietnam in 2005. In both cases the new HA cleavage site was associated with a lower fatality rate even though the new cleavage site was appended onto a highly virulent strain of H5N1. Cleavage of HA is required for viral entry, and the polybasic cleavage site from H5N1 isolates initially identified in Asia, expands tissue tropism because the additional basic amino acids create new sequences targeted by tissue specific proteases. Thus, different cleavage sites can produce different clinical presentations, as can changes in the receptor binding domain. The novel cleavage site in the Aswan patients is the first reported patients with GERRRRKR. All other reported human cases infected with Qinghai H5N1 had the consensus Qinghai sequence, GERRRKKR, which is closely related to the consensus sequence for Asia, RERRRKKR, The sequence from the latest Aswan case is expected to have the novel cleavage site from Mongolia, and to be closely related to the two earlier cases, signaling a common source. |
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26 Mar 2007
The following Article was lifted from the HNiman Website Mild H5N1 in Aswan Egypt. The case is a female child, three years old. The illness started on the 22nd of March and admitted to the hospital on the 24th where they put her on tamiflu. The samples were taken on the 24th and confirmed positive for H5N1 on 25 March 2007. The patient had a history of contact with backyard poultry. The patient is still in a good health condition and is not epidemiologically linked to the previous two human cases in Aswan. The above comments (emphasis added) from the WHO Eastern Mediterranean Regional Office supports media reports indicating the three confirmed H5N1 cases in Aswan were mild. Media reports indicate the two earlier cases (10F and 2M) were briefly hospitalized and have been discharged. The above comments indicate the most recent case “is still in a good health condition.” These comments support media reports indicating that the patients had a high fever and “cold” symptoms. None of the reports indicated the patients developed pneumonia, and the short hospital stay supports a mild presentation. The descriptions are similar to earlier reports in 2005 on cases in central and northern Vietnam. These earlier re[ports included 195 suspect cases in central Vietnam as well as a family of five in Haiphong. All five family members developed symptoms at the same time, were H5N1 confirmed, and were briefly hospitalized. Although serum samples from these patients were tested repeatedly in Vietnam, the United States, and Japan, there was no official reports on the conflicting test reports. Media reports indicated positive results were seen by the CDC in the United States as well as Hanoi. The three cases in Aswan were hospitalized within nine days of each other and confirmed to be H5N1 positive. However, it seems likely that the number of cases in Aswan could be markedly higher, since the symptoms appear to be similar to those of a bad cold, and many patients with such symptoms would not seek medical attention or be tested. Like Vietnam, the milder cases were associated with a change in the HA cleavage site. In northern Vietnam in 2005, the cleavage site lost an R, changing from RERRRKKR to RERRKKR. In Aswan in southern Egypt, the Qinghai HA cleavage site changed a K to an R resulting in GERRRRKR from GERRRKKR. In both instances the new cleavage site had been reported earlier in birds, and in each case the previously reported cleavage site appeared on a regional specific genetic background. In Egypt, the altered cleavage site was also associated with reassortment. The NA sequence in southern Egypt is almost identical to sequences from fatally infected patients from central Egypt. However, the HA sequences in central and southern Egypt were readily distinguished. The cases in the north had a 3 nucleotide deletion and the consensus Qinghai cleavage site, while the cases in the south had no deletion, but had the novel cleavage site which had been previously reported in swans in Mongolia. The presence of a lethal H5N1 in central Egypt, and a mild H5N1 in southern Egypt is cause for concern. Mild cases of H5N1 are more likely to be transmitted because the host is more mobile and cold symptoms are not as alarming as severe flu symptoms followed by pneumonia. The altered cleavage site may increase transmission, as evidence by three confirmed cases in nine days. Thus far there are no reports of H5N1 in contacts, but detection may be liked to high fevers, and lower levels of H5N1 may produce milder symptoms which may limit testing and/or detection. Therefore, increased efficiency of infection may not be evident. Antibody testing of contacts with these children would be useful. Co-circulation of an efficiently transmitted H5N1, with a highly lethal H5N1 could result in further recombination and/or reassortment to produce an efficiently transmitted lethal Qinghai H5N1. |
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Apart from the 3 human cases in Aswan that appear to be mild there were 3 other preceeding cases North of cairo that were apparently also of a mild version. Aswan 3F , 10 F , 2M North 5F , 4F , 4M There appears to have been a very small change to the virus. |
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Thank you Ross. This is surely something that bears watching.
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Judy ,
I must agree , a bit early to get worried , but certainly one to watch . I believe that Cario has a very high population density , so any case(s) that occurs in Cario would be of great concern. The only good news is , that since there appears to be little time lag between cases , if it is going to happen we probably will not have to wait long . |
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That's the GOOD news?
As my daughters think I am crazy for even thinking about this - maybe you have a point! |
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I was ofcourse being facetious when I said "good news " . |
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Copied from the H.Niman website 28 Mar 2007 Mr. H. Niman suggests in the following article that 1. There may be many more as yet unrecognised mild H5N1 infections in Egypt. 2. Suggests that the screening of Passengers in the flight from H.K. to montreal was inadequate given the apparent existence of Mild H5N1 in Egypt. Two More Confirmed H5N1 Infected Children in Egypt The Ministry of Health and Population of Egypt has reported two new human cases of avian influenza on 26 March 2007 at 11:50 pm. One case is a boy 5 years old from Menia and another is a girl 6 years old from Qena. Both were given oseltaminvir within 24 hours after onset of symptoms. They are in good health condition and will be referred to El Bakry hospital in Cairo. The above comments from the WHO Eastern Mediterranean Regional Office describe two more H5N1 confirmed children in Egypt. Like the most recent case from Aswan, the patients are described as being “in good health condition”. The Aswan case (3F) was confirmed yesterday and was the third child (10F and 2M) confirmed in Aswan who were hospitalized over a nine day period. US NAMRU-3 has sequenced the HA and NA from the first two Aswan cases. Like the two surviving cases, the Aswan cases did not have M230I. Earlier this season all cases with M230I were fatal. After seven fatalities, the most recent seven cases, including the two above, have survived. However, the recent isolates from Aswan also had evidence of recombination and reassortment. The NA, which was identical in both Aswan patients, matched two fatal cases from central Egypt, while the HA was unique. Those sequences had a novel HA cleavage site, previously found in whooper swans in Mongolia. Several new polymorphisms in H5N1 isolates from Egypt, including the V223I change in the receptor binding domain have been found in H5N1 Qinghai isolates from Mongolia. These changes were found this season in Egypt, and were appended onto an Egyptian genetic background defined by the H5N1 isolates in Egypt last season. These acquisitions are most easily explained via recombination. However, the isolates from Aswan are also reassortants, because the HA sequences from Aswan are significantly different than the HA sequences from central Egypt, which have a 3 nucleotide deletion, as well as several additional sub-regional polymorphisms. Both recombination and reassortment require a dual infection of a host, and Egypt’s location in overlapping flyways, as well as widespread H5N1 infections in poultry, facilitates such exchanges of gene segments in reassortment, and portions of gene segments in recombination. Media reports indicate the first two Aswan cases have recovered and have been discharged after a brief hospital stay. The WHO description of the three most recent cases suggests that they are also mild cases. Media reports also indicated these patients had high fevers and cold or flu-like symptoms, raising concerns that other patients with H5N1 mild symptoms would not be tested, which would create problems in monitoring or detecting such cases. These concerns could extend to patients who travel outside of Egypt. Yesterday, passengers on a Hong Kong flight to Montreal were detained because of passengers with flu-like symptoms. The passengers were released, based on the mild symptoms of the ill passengers, and lack of exposure to wet markets or dying poultry. However, the mild symptoms in the H5N1 infected patients in Aswan may have been discounted in current screening protocols. The above confirmed cases in Egypt raise the total of confirmed cases in the past two weeks to five. All were children between the ages of 2-10 and all appear to have mild infections, raising concerns that the number of recent mild H5N1 infections in Egypt is markedly higher than the five confirmed cases. |
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Now, why on earth would Niman mention the sick passengers in his commentary? That has got to be a joke..
I'm also not sure where he is getting 5 confirmed cases in Egypt when I believe we're still at 3.
The last two who died in Indo were 22 and 39, which means Niman also might want to rethink his under 10 theory.
Niman's commentaries are complete (alarmist) speculation, period. A child recovered from h5, and then we also see sick passengers with flu symptoms so Niman starts talking about a mild h5n1?? Pure speculation ....
Trust me, I wouldn't go around telling people that h5 is now turning mild ..
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I really hope that this is not being efficiently transmitted. Do not let the mildness of the flu fool you. It could and probably will get very much stronger as the efficiency of transmission increases. This is not merely cause for concern but cause for alarm. As the efficiency increases, the virulence of the virus will possibly of increase as well. No, this is truly worrying.
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Roidy: He'll keep doing it until it's done right!
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Roidy, can you give links to any info that supports your assertion of probability that virulence increases with transmissability?
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It would be useful to have a more precise definition of "mild".
Would these cases have been fatal without Tamiflu ? |
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Would these cases be fatal without hospitalization, ie oxygen, fluids, etc?
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This really isn't too difficult to figure out. There have been many people tested from all over the world who have shown flu symptoms and there have been no reported cases of a mild h5n1. From culling workers who showed symptoms of the flu, to residents of those regions flooding into the hospitals because of false alarms, through all of those tests, h5n1 has never been detected. If there was a mild form floating around, they would have detected it a long time ago. And no, this isn't because of faulty testing.
Believe me, the 85 passengers did not have a mild h5n1 and there is no mild human bird flu virus going around.
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Egyptians may have genetic traits that aid them in resisting a strain that might be more or less lethal to others - at least with early hospitalization.
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On Mild flu.......
Is Exposure to Sick or Dead Poultry Associated With Flulike Illness? A Population-Based Study From a Rural Area in Vietnam With Outbreaks of Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza Anna Thorson, MD, PhD; Max Petzold, PhD; Nguyen Thi Kim Chuc, PhD; Karl Ekdahl, MD, PhD Arch Intern Med. 2006;166:119-123. Background The verified human cases of highly pathogenic avian influenza in Vietnam may represent only a selection of the most severely ill patients. The study objective was to analyze the association between flulike illness, defined as cough and fever, and exposure to sick or dead poultry. Methods A population-based study was performed from April 1 to June 30, 2004, in FilaBavi, a rural Vietnamese demographic surveillance site with confirmed outbreaks of highly pathogenic avian influenza among poultry. We included 45 478 randomly selected (cluster sampling) inhabitants. Household representatives were asked screening questions about exposure to poultry and flulike illness during the preceding months; individuals with a history of disease and/or exposure were interviewed in person. Results A total of 8149 individuals (17.9%) reported flulike illness, 38 373 persons (84.4%) lived in households keeping poultry, and 11 755 (25.9%) resided in households reporting sick or dead poultry. A dose-response relationship between poultry exposure and flulike illness was noted: poultry in the household (odds ratio, 1.04; 95% confidence interval, 0.96-1.12), sick or dead poultry in the household but with no direct contact (odds ratio, 1.14; 95% confidence interval, 1.06-1.23), and direct contact with sick poultry (odds ratio, 1.73; 95% confidence interval, 1.58-1.89). The flulike illness attributed to direct contact with sick or dead poultry was estimated to be 650 to 750 cases. Conclusions Our epidemiological data are consistent with transmission of mild, highly pathogenic avian influenza to humans and suggest that transmission could be more common than anticipated, though close contact seems required. Further microbiological studies are needed to validate these findings. Author Affiliations: Division of International Health, Departments of Public Health Sciences (Drs Thorson, Petzold, and Chuc) and Medical Epidemiology and Biostatistics, (Dr Ekdahl), Karolinska Institutet, and Clinic of Infectious Diseases, Karolinska University Hospital (Dr Thorson), Stockholm, Sweden; Nordic School of Public Health, Göteborg, Sweden (Dr Petzold); Hanoi Medical University, Hanoi, Vietnam (Dr Chuc); European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, Solna, Sweden (Dr Ekdahl); and Stockholm Group of Epidemic Modeling, Stockholm (Dr Ekdahl). THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN CITED BY OTHER ARTICLES Avian influenza: A review Thomas and Noppenberger Am J Health Syst Pharm 2007;64:149-165. ABSTRACT | FULL TEXT Flulike Illness and Exposure to Sick or Dead Poultry--Reply Thorson et al. Arch Intern Med 2006;166:1421-1421. FULL TEXT Flulike illness and exposure to sick or dead poultry. Groome and Richardson Arch Intern Med 2006;166:1420-1421. FULL TEXT http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/166/1/119 |
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http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/URItheFlu/tb1/2450 This is a teaching brief ..................... Mild Avian Flu Transmission May Be Common By Michael Smith, MedPage Today Staff Writer January 09, 2006 Add Your Knowledge™ Additional Flu & URI Coverage Avian flu is a viral infection that affects birds. STOCKHOLM, Jan. 9 - Transmission of the avian influenza H5N1 strain to humans may be more common -- but often less deadly -- than previously thought, researchers here reported. Action Points Advise patients who ask that the avian flu H5N1 strain -- while regarded as a pathogen that has the potential to cause a widespread pandemic -- has not yet proved to be easily contracted or spread by humans. Note also that human-to-human transmission is so far rare; usually close contact with infected birds appears to be necessary. There have been 146 laboratory-confirmed human cases of H5N1 flu reported to World Health Organization (WHO) as of Jan. 6. with 76 deaths. A population-based study in one of the hotbeds of the avian flu outbreak among poultry appears to show that mild flu-like symptoms are relatively common among people in contact with sick or dead birds, according to Anna Thorson, M.D., Ph.D., from the Karolinska Institute here. The results of the study "are consistent with a higher incidence of (highly pathogenic avian influenza) among humans than has been recognized previously," Dr. Thorson and colleagues here and in Vietnam reported in the Jan. 9 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine. "The results suggest that the symptoms most often are relatively mild and that close contact is needed for transmission to humans," the researchers concluded. The finding comes as Europe - already on edge over the avian flu scare - is reeling from reports that 15 people in Turkey have been infected with H5N1 influenza, apparently transmitted from poultry, and three children have died. The latest figures were reported by Turkish authorities; the World Health Organization has so far confirmed only four cases in Turkey, of which two have died. According to press reports, hundreds of people across Turkey have checked into hospitals, afraid they have contracted the virus. Vietnam is hardest-hit by the H5N1 outbreak among poultry, Dr. Thorson and colleagues noted: Poultry breeding is widespread and about 80% of the population lives in rural areas, where poultry is both an important source of income and a major part of subsistence farming. Also, WHO statistics show there have been 93 confirmed human cases of avian flu in humans and 42 deaths in the country. Dr. Thorson and colleagues analyzed data from household interviews conducted in FilaBavi, a Vietnamese demographic surveillance site in the Bavi district of northwest Vietnam. The region has seen several outbreaks of highly pathogenic avian influenza, the researchers noted. As part of regular disease surveillance, between April 1 and June 30, 2004, trained interviewers asked 45,478 randomly selected people in the district to answer screening questions about exposure to poultry and flu-like illnesses (defined as a combination of cough and fever). Most of those interviewed - 84.4% (38,373) -- lived in households keeping poultry, and 25.9% (11,755) lived in households reporting sick or dead poultry. Other exposures to poultry - such as using bird feces as manure - were common. A multivariate analysis of the responses found: Just having poultry in the household was not associated with a significantly increased risk of flu-like illness. The odds ratio was 1.04, with a 95% confidence interval from 0.96 to 1.12. Having sick or dead poultry in the household, but without direct contact, was a significant risk factor. The odds ratio was 1.14, with a 95% confidence interval from 1.06 to 1.23. Having been in direct contact with sick or dead poultry produced the highest risk for flu-like illness. The odds ratio was 1.74, with a 95% confidence interval from 1.58 to 1.89. There was also a significant difference in clustering of cases in families reporting flu-like illness: The mean number of cases per household was 1.69 for those with sick or dead birds compared with 1.57 in households without. The result was statistically significant at p= 0.001. The clustering could be evidence of human-to-human transmission, the researchers said, although it could also be caused by a common exposure to sick or dying birds. The data are consistent with avian flu as a "relatively mild, febrile, respiratory infection that easily can go undetected," the researchers concluded, especially if it occurs outside the major cities where good quality health care is available. On the other hand, they noted, the data "need to be confirmed with population-based seroprevalence studies and with virology studies in patients with acute mild infection." "In the absence of serological data, we cannot state the cause of disease," they wrote. "The observed results could have resulted from other diseases affecting poultry and humans." Additional Flu & URI Coverage Primary source: Archives of Internal Medicine Source reference: Thorson A et al. Is Exposure to Sick or Dead Poultry Associated With Flu like Illness? A Population-Based Study From a Rural Area in Vietnam With Outbreaks of Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza. Arch Intern Med. 2006;166: 119-123. Click here for the abstract. |
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Men at work ...... and why we can sleep at night ...
In a triangular, 1.2-hectare compound in eastern Cairo, in the shadow of the 1,500-bed Abbassia Fever Hospital – the Middle East’s oldest and largest – a team of Navy and Army scientists, U.S. civilian employees, Egyptian scientists and technicians, and contractors staffs the 60-year-old U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit No. 3 (NAMRU-3). 25 January 2007 U.S. Navy, Egyptian Scientists Fight Global Illness, Infection Mild resistance to anti-viral drug found in Egyptian avian flu victims By Cheryl Pellerin USINFO Staff Writer Naval Medical Research Unit No.3 researchers train Libyan collaborators in Cairo, Egypt, in virus identification and isolation. (NAMRU) Naval Medical Research Unit No. 3 researchers train Libyan collaborators in Cairo, Egypt, in virus identification and isolation.(NAMRU)This is the first in a series of articles on U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit No. 3, Cairo, Egypt Washington – As pathogens, both ancient and emerging, move from country to country, carried by and shared among insects, animals and people to spread illness and death, a small group of U.S. and Egyptian scientists is building a medical line of defense throughout the Middle East, North Africa and Southwest Asia, against diseases that range from malaria and fevers to HIV/AIDS and avian influenza. In a triangular, 1.2-hectare compound in eastern Cairo, in the shadow of the 1,500-bed Abbassia Fever Hospital – the Middle East’s oldest and largest – a team of Navy and Army scientists, U.S. civilian employees, Egyptian scientists and technicians, and contractors staffs the 60-year-old U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit No. 3 (NAMRU-3). Their direct mission is to support U.S. military personnel in that region by studying viruses, enteric (intestinal) diseases and disease vectors (carriers) like ticks and mosquitoes, and through disease surveillance, which means monitoring the most important infectious disease threats in the region. The scientist also engage in an activity not in the official NAMRU mission statement: they make sure they are good neighbors, passing along the benefits of science and medical research to the citizens of nearby countries. “The idea is that public health work is good diplomacy,†said NAMRU-3 Commanding Officer Captain Bruce Boynton, a doctor, in a recent USINFO interview in Cairo, “and not just in the sense that we represent the United States. [Diseases studied at NAMRU-3] are of interest to public health leaders, and doing good things for people brings countries and people together.†NAMRU-3 is part of the Naval Medical Research and Development Command in Maryland, whose other overseas research laboratories include NAMRU-2 in Jakarta, Indonesia; a detachment in Manila, Philippines; and the Naval Medical Research Institute Detachment in Lima, Peru. GOOD NEIGHBORS The scientists at NAMRU-3 work closely with the Egyptian Ministry of Health and Population (MOHP), the World Health Organization (WHO), the U.S. Agency for International Development, the U.S. National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and many nongovernmental organizations. At NAMRU-3, the Virology Research Department is a regional influenza reference laboratory for WHO’s Eastern Mediterranean Regional Office, where NAMRU-3 scientists confirm the identity of flu viruses isolated by national laboratories, develop and distribute virus reference reagents (substances used in a chemical reaction to detect and measure other substances), prepare training materials, organize workshops, offer extended laboratory training, collaborate on special surveillance studies and conduct research to improve methods of flu virus surveillance. NAMRU-3 technicians analyze and study the genetic composition of viruses to identify specific types of viruses, a process important to the development of vaccines and therapies. They also examine the genetic material of influenza viruses, including the highly pathogenic H5N1 strain of avian influenza, and share the data with the scientific community so scientists around the world can benefit from the information. For example, in Egypt on January 18, H5N1 viruses were found to have a genetic mutation that was linked in laboratory testing with moderate resistance to the anti-viral drug oseltamivir (TamiFlu®). These were found in two people with H5N1 infections, according to a WHO statement. Both patients – a 16-year-old girl and her 26-year-old uncle who lived in the same house in Gharbiyah province north of Cairo – had been treated with oseltamivir for two days before the clinical samples were taken. Despite the efforts of health workers, the girl died December 25, 2006, her uncle December 28, 2006. Of the 267 H5N1 cases reported worldwide since 2003, 18 have occurred in Egypt. Egypt's monitoring and rapid virological analysis conducted at the Central Public Health Laboratory in Cairo initially allowed the H5N1diagnoses to be made. Confirmatory testing and genetic sequencing were done at NAMRU-3 and two WHO collaborating centers in the United States (at CDC) and the United Kingdom. According to WHO, there is no indication that oseltamivir resistance is widespread in Egypt or elsewhere. TRAINING THE TRAINERS “One of the major things we do as a regional reference laboratory when it comes to influenza or avian influenza,†said U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander Marshall Monteville, head of the NAMRU-3 Viral and Zoonotic Diseases Research Program, “is give [scientists and technicians] in the region training [in influenza diagnostics] here at NAMRU-3, then we send a field team to train them in their own laboratories ... and we visit them once in a while to make sure they’re doing okay.†Such thorough training is in the interest of quality assurance, he added. “We want to make sure they’re doing things correctly in their laboratories. When they send people to us for training, we’re usually training the trainers, so we want to make sure the trainers are going back and teaching their people appropriately,†Monteville said. “Also, they’re collaborators of ours, so it’s good business.†More information about NAMRU-3 is available at the Naval Medical Research Center Web site. (USINFO is produced by the Bureau of International Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov) Avian Influenza Causes More Human Deaths in Indonesia, Egypt U.S. Navy Scientists Share Research Benefits with the World More Information on Naval Medical Research Unit 3 http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2007&m=January&x=20070125113122lcnirellep0.3603327&chanlid=health |
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Two new cases in Egyptian children would seem to add some weight to
H.Nimans theory of easier transmissability and mild cases. The 2 new cases reported 31 Mar 2007 are 4M in Qena ( 670 km south of cario ) 7M in Sohag ( 467 km south of Cario ) The total that have now been infected = 31 cases . Of interest is the fact that it is again young children . |
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I see no evidence of easier transmission in Egypt. The human cases are still low, less than Indonesia last year. And the current death rate has been greater than Indonesia. I just don't think his 'facts' support his theories
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Below is an extract from the Niman commentary which suggests a current Egyptian version produces only mild symptoms in many patients, that resemble the common cold. Which could therefore be dismissed as a not very serious illness. It is also interesting to note that all cases have occurred either in the Nile Delta or along the Nile, but the reporting of cases effectively ceases at the largest population center near the Sudan Border ( Aswan ). Since the Nile continues on up in to Sudan , one wonders what is happening in places like Khartoum ( on the Nile ) . In Khartoum there is so much death from hunger and all sorts of other diseases , mild cases of H5N1 could go unnoticed for a very long time. The presence of a lethal H5N1 in central Egypt, and a mild H5N1 in southern Egypt is cause for concern. Mild cases of H5N1 are more likely to be transmitted because the host is more mobile and cold symptoms are not as alarming as severe flu symptoms followed by pneumonia. The altered cleavage site may increase transmission, as evidence by three confirmed cases in nine days. Thus far there are no reports of H5N1 in contacts, but detection may be liked to high fevers, and lower levels of H5N1 may produce milder symptoms which may limit testing and/or detection. Therefore, increased efficiency of infection may not be evident. And here is another Niman quote. The above comments (emphasis added) from the WHO Eastern Mediterranean Regional Office supports media reports indicating the three confirmed H5N1 cases in Aswan were mild. Media reports indicate the two earlier cases (10F and 2M) were briefly hospitalized and have been discharged. The above comments indicate the most recent case “is still in a good health condition.†These comments support media reports indicating that the patients had a high fever and “cold†symptoms. None of the reports indicated the patients developed pneumonia, and the short hospital stay supports a mild presentation. |
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Dr. Niman "implied" that the 85 passengers detained a few days ago possibly had a mild h5n1. When anyone posts things like that, it obviously makes us look like a bunch of alarmists, and it could make it more difficult for new visitors to take us seriously.
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Hi Albert ,
I have never seen H. Niman or heard him speak , all I know of him is mainly from the posts at his website. I agree that from time-to-time he comes across as alarmist , but I find it hard to criticize him on those grounds because I certainly could be accused of the same fault . I have always interpreted his apparent alarmism as just wanting to be the first person to discover or note a significant event. I took his comments about the Flu-laden aircraft to be more of a warning about the inadequacey of current screening procedures than a serious warning that the passengers were infected with Egyptian style flu. It is hard not to notice that you seem to have a very negative opinion of him , is there something here that I am missing ?. Because to me he seems very technically competent and generally ahead of the pack. |
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Hi Ross, good to hear from you. You're right in that I don't have a very good opinion of N., and perhaps it has gone a little personal with me. I still remember Dr. Niman claimiing that hundreds were infected in late 2005, and the ruckus that it created. Now why he did this, I'm not sure.. I also used to follow every commentary, but with me, you can only spoon feed me crap for so long before I will begin to take notice. Dr. Niman has a habit of hyping deaths into more than what they actually are, not to mention his lack of accuracy when writing about "suspected" clusters.
I'm kind of like a referee who has to sift through the crap. I just want to make sure that people aren't mislead in ANY way, is all. Now, when someone implies inaccurate information about the 85 passengers, well, they may also have to deal with the criticism that comes long with making a claim like that.
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Ross,
I just don't think that 3 cases that didn't die without knowing all the facts about type and length of treatment supports the theory that there is now a mild strain of H5N1 in circulation in Eqypt. maybe I am missing some of the facts. It just seems he is making a very large leap on his own assumptions. The altered cleavage site MAY increase transmission, as evidence by three confirmed cases in nine days. Thus far there are no reports of H5N1 in contacts, but detection MAY BE linked to high fevers, and lower levels of H5N1 MAY produce milder symptoms which MAY limit testing and/or detection. Therefore, increased efficiency of infection MAY NOT be evident. That's 5 levels of mays and may nots to get to his conclusion. In my opinion it is pure speculation with the only suporting evidence of 3 people in 9 days that tested positive and didn't die. I think there is a better likelyhood that the tests were flawed and those people had seasonal flu. |
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2 April 2007
Guest , sorry to do this to you but here is a report of 4 additional cases from Qena , related to an earlier case in Qena . I am having difficulty making the post so I will summarize . These cases have been hospitalized but not yet confirmed . The new cases are .... Mahmound Helmi Abul Magd 6F Her Brother Her Uncles wife , Mona Hashem A neighbour named Fouad Information source - Niman |
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From Niman site 2 April 2007 The health ministry said late on Saturday that Mariam Abdel Fatah from the town of Qanater, just north of Cairo, had been diagnosed with the H5N1 virus and taken to a hospital specialising in treating the condition. Two other cases, both children from the impoverished south of Egypt, were announced the same day: Ibrahim Mahmud Helmi, four, from Qena province and Mahmud Mohammed Shalabi, seven, from Sohag. The above description of three confirmed H5N1 case in Egypt is in addition to the two cases confirmed earlier this week. One of the patients confirmed Tuesday (6F) is the sister of the patient (4M) from Qena. US NAMRU-3 sequenced the HA and NA form the sister. It is closely related to HA and NA sequences from Beni Suef and Fayyoum. The HA sequence has a characteristic 3 BP deletion. The large number of cases in the past two weeks is cause for concern. H5N1 from the three cases from Aswan as well as the case from Mena form another cluster of patients will similar H5N1 sequences. Moreover, the proximity of Sohag to Mena and Qina suggests H5N1 us infecting patients along an extensive region of the Nile. |
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Family Cluster Qena
Here is the actual Niman post describing the apparent new family cluster associated with an earlier reported case in Qena Egypt. Interestingly H. Niman makes mention of the S227N gene sequence which has earlier been described as being associated with increased transmission . ( increased coughing , or similar as I recall ) Dated 1 April 2007 Rehab Mahmoud Helmi Abul Magd, and it reaches its age "6 years", she entered the hospital of Nag Hamadi fevers last Sunday and she suffers from a rise in the temperature after its mixing the birds. Also the hospital of Nag Hamadi fevers yesterday detained, Ahmed Rehab's brother, and her uncle's wife, Mona Hashem, and its neighbour named Fouad, for their injury by symptoms similar to the bird flu. Brother of case number 28 Date of reporting 30 March 2007 Gender: Male (Child) Age: 4 years Governorate: Qena Clinical history: the patient was admitted to Qena fever Hospital on 29 March 2007, Treatment with Tamiflu started on March 29, 2007 The above description describes two confirmed siblings (6F and 4M) and the hospitalization of one or two family members and a neighbor, who have symptoms. The index case was hospitalized on March 25 and the family members and neighbor were hospitalized on March 27. The WHO report confirms a brother (4F) who was hospitalized on March 29. Thus, in addition to the two confirmed cases, hospitalized four days apart, there are additional family members and a neighbor with symptoms. US NAMRU-3 has sequenced the HA and NA from the index case, A/Egypt/2621/NAMRU-3/2007. The sequences are similar to two confirmed cases from Beni Suef and Fayyoum. Both earlier fatal cases had the same 3 BP deletion in HA as well as several additional shared polymorphisms inn bother HA and NA. The HA sequence from the Fayyoum case, A/Egypt/1394/NAMRU-3/2007 had a mixed signal of the position encoding S227N, indicating the patient was infected with more than one H5N1. It is not clear of the 3 BP deletion and the S227N were on the same HA sequence, or were on two different H5N1 sequences in the patient. Because of the similarities between the Fayyoum HA and the Qena index case sequences, it is possible that S227N is also in the latest cluster, but not detected in the initial sequence. |
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So that makes 7 in a weeks time. Just when i thought I was going to get some sleep tonight. Thanks Ross, now I am concerned. i guess we will know in a week or two how bad it is. i have far less faith in Egypt to contain anything than I do in Indonesia. The Saudi Arab mentality is very much a save face mentality. If they are announcing these cases, it is my opinion that it could be much worse than they are letting on. JMO
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That family cluster and the neighbor sparked my interest. Am also interested to see the level of tamiflu resistance in these new cases.
We are so blessed to live in this country. Namru-3 is doing some outstanding work in that area.
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Just a word grab from another site that has a worrying message about
the Middle East . In the United States, Dr. Moore, of the Kansas State University, worries particularly about poorly regulated markets in live birds that cater to Muslims and Jews who want poultry slaughtered according to religious custom. |
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Sorry about the quality of the post and missing words folks
Copied from H.Niman Website April 3 2007 Qena Cluster Genetics The Re-emergence of S227N in the Qena Cluster Human to human transmission of the H5N1 virus between a brother and sister in Egypt cannot be ruled out yet, although both siblings seem to have been exposed to sick birds, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Tuesday. A four-year-old boy, from Qena province around 670 km (400 miles) south of Cairo, was among three human cases announced by the health ministry at the weekend. His six-year-old sister was one of two children diagnosed with the virus late last week. "Human to human transmission cannot yet be ruled out. We are continuing investigations," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said in Geneva. "But we know all the children had exposure to sick or dead birds." The above comments describe a familial cluster in Qena and raise concerns about increased transmission of Qinghai H5N1. The first confirmed cluster of Qinghai H5N1 in humans was in Turkey in January, 2006. That cluster was linked to the acquisition of S227N, which increases the affinity for human receptors and decreases the affinity for avian receptors. In Turkey, S227N was in the sequence from the index case, A/Turkey/12/2006, but was not in the sequence from the sister of theTurkey/15/2006. However, S227N was also present in A/Turkey/65596/2006, suggesting the lack of detection of S227N in the sister of the index case was due to mixtures of H5N1 in the sister, rather than de novo creation of S227N in the two isolates listed above. index case, A/ Similarly, S227N was found in Egypt last year. The isolate, A/Egypt/2947-NAMRU-3/2006, was from a patient in Kafr El Sheikh. At the same time, two additional H5N1 positive siblings were identified in Kafr El Sheikh, A/Egypt/2991-NAMRU-3/2006 and A/Egypt/2992-NAMRU3/2006. The NA sequence from A/Egypt/2991-NAMRU3 was presented at the Northern California American Society for Microbiology meeting on Saturday. It contains C976T (see slide 54), which is also present in A/Egypt/1394-NAMRU-3/2007, which is from a patient in Fayyoum. The NA sequence the index case in the Qena cluster, A/Egypt/2621-NAMRU3/2007, also has C976T. The HA sequence from the Fayyoum patient also has S227N. Similarly, the HA sequence of the index case sequence has the 3 BP deletion, as does A/Egypt/1394-NAMRU3/2007 and A/Egypt/0626-NAMRU3/2007. This 3 BP deletion in HA is associated with G257A in NA, indicating these sequences are evolving by recombination, and not segregating by reassortment. S227N in A/Egypt/1394-NAMRU3/2007 was in a mixture, raising the possibility that S227N is present at low levels in the other isolates from this sub-clade, which includes the index case for the Qerna cluster, A/Egypt/2621-NAMRU3/2007. These data indicate more cloning should be done of 2007 samples with the 3 BP deletion, as well as the two siblings from Kafr El Sharif last year. Detection of S227N in 2007 isolates would be expected, if the 3BP deletion found in 2007 isolates was on the same sequence as the S227N found in A/Egypt/1394-NAMRU3/2007. |
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I don't know if this has any bearing on the cases in Egypt of tamiflu resistant and also milder cases, but when I read this article, I sure did think of what is going on in Egypt.....My apologies if this has been posted elsewhere...
Study finds drug-resistant flu virus in JapanTue Apr 3, 2007 4:27pm ET
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Type B flu viruses, which usually cause smaller epidemics than type A, developed partial resistance to two front-line anti-viral drugs used to combat seasonal influenza, according to a study published on Tuesday. While there has been evidence of some type A flu viruses developing a resistance to anti-viral drugs, researchers at the University of Tokyo said until their study there has been only limited information involving type B. The research involved Tamiflu, an antiviral drug made by Roche and Gilead Sciences, and Relenza, made by GlaxoSmithKline and Biota Holdings, and known generically as zanamivir. Tamiflu, also known as oseltamivir, is the first choice against both seasonal flu and the H5N1 avian influenza.
The findings come from Japan where both drugs to prevent and treat seasonal flu are used more extensively than anywhere else in the world. The study involved an influenza B virus outbreak in the winter of 2004-2005 that caused a widespread epidemic. Writing in this week's journal of the American Medical Association, researchers said they collected flu B virus samples from 74 children before and after Tamiflu use and from 348 influenza patients -- also mostly children -- who were not treated with the drug. They said they found a virus with reduced drug sensitivity in one of the 74 children who had received Tamiflu. In addition, seven of the 422 influenza B viruses isolated from untreated patients were found to have reduced sensitivity to Relenza, Tamiflu, or both. Drug resistant flu viruses present a risk because the mutations can make current drugs ineffective for both seasonal flu and a potentially devastating bird flu epidemic. An editorial in the same issue commenting on the study said it raised more questions than it answered. But, it said, "some facts are strikingly clear. Influenza B mutants with reduced sensitivity to (anti-viral drugs) are circulating, and these viruses can cause infections with no difference in duration of symptoms... "Contrary to what had been hoped until now, some resistant variants are vigorous pathogens. Whether these viruses arise by spontaneous mutation ... or whether they are transmitted within families or acquired from the community, the resistant variants may be here to stay," the editorial added. © Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved. |
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There's a recent report from Indonesia of man hospitalized on March 30 with BF symptoms, and dies on April 5th, but has not been tested for virus or reported as possible infection. If he had recovered, perhaps he would noy have been tested . This points at the good chance that Egypt's lower mortality is due to accurately counting survivors. That being said, the mortality in Egypt would certainly be much higher in an epidemic where patients can't get treatment.
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Kparcel.
I believe that the more recent cases in Egypt have not developed in to pneumonia and have been associated with shorter hospital stays . The symptoms see to be more like that of the common cold. Thus indicating a milder version of the flu. Since the flu appears so mild there is a fair chance that survivors have not been accurately counted , particularly in adults who may have some acquired immunity from other flu types. I also understand that the more recent cases in Egypt do not display Tamiflu resistance . All the earlier cases that displayed Tamiflu resistance were associated with a particular gene sequence and were fatal. They also were associated with lower transmissability . |
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Jumping the gun -
A lot of cleavage, and recombination lingo does not make a peer supportable case for human transmission of Avian. No doubt we have instances that may strongly suggest human to human transmission. However, perhaps a more simple of explanation of the constantly reoccurring almost trademark phrase "recombination" can easily be pressed to limits and conclusions that do not bear the weight of more close genetic scrutiny. IMHO - for one you could have a variation or mutation of sequence sites IN BIRDS that is then infecting more people. This does not support the person to person scenario, but merely that it is becoming more transmittable from birds. Birds have always been the principle vector in humans catching Avian. There are rare instances that strongly suggest transmission - as in several doctors and nurses recently - but binding this to intensive strain tracing seems a lot less convincing. One must be careful. Empirically, one should look at the obvious devoid of heavy duty genetic sequencing data. It is over kill. Perhaps in developing a vaccine this may be more useful, but I being a more "steak and potatoes" person.. would be more likely to stand in the field and wear a "I see people dying" t-shirt. This becomes like an illusive paranormal search, where it is like a person listening for voices on a white noise recording. When the Pandemic hits. It will hit. It will be us in your face - you won't need to be finely tracing each little biddy hop - It will be high path and won't take a brain surgeon to see it. This constant pulling toward finding the "first case" of human transmission and being the one to find it has already been done. It has already happened. We don't have to tear and pull at gene sequences. It likely happened in Vietnam years ago, and the low path Avian - we have had various epidemics through China, Asia, India.. When it hits,and if it's bad, you won't be peering into gene sequencers.. you will be stepping over bodies. My phrase BITS (Bodies in the Streets) just as not if but when - will kick in. Just a few cents worth. If it walks like a duck.. you better give it some room. |
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Medclinician ,
I have to agree that an uncontrolled explosion would be sudden and unmistakable but I think most people come to this website to detect the last half inch of the fuse igniting . I know I do . And it may happen so quickly that if you blink you will miss it . Which in my opinion explains the obsession with small detail and events. Because of the actions of Governments and the WHO in both suppressing outbreaks and concealing data we are forced to spend our time scanning through the clues. |
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Extract from the H.Niman website , in which he expresses concern about the possibility of a Tamiflu resistant version in wild birds. The Gharbiya cluster that he refers to were ( as I recall ) all fatal cases. Chicken H5N1 Related to Gharbiya Cluster in Egypt April 5, 2007 H5N1 HA avian sequences from Egypt generated by US NAMRU-3 became available today at Genbank and Los Alamos. Included was A/chicken/Egypt/1892N3-HK49/2007. As noted in the submission sheet, the isolate was from Gharbiya. It was collected in February, 2007 and both the HA and NA are closely related to the sequences from the Gharbiya cluster, A/Egypt/14724-NAMRU3/2006 and A/Egypt/14725-NAMRU3/2006. However, the chicken sequence is a mixture, with mixed signals at several positions. As shown at the NCASM meeting (slide 53), the position encoding M230I is a mixture, coding for the wild type M as well as I. The HA sequence also has V223I, a receptor binding change present in a bar-headed goose from Mongolia, as well as Shantou geese. This change was also found in H5N1 infected patients in Vietnam. Additional synonymous changes found in the chicken and patients from Gharbiya include G82A and C1477T. In addition, the poultry sequence has several matches with the NA sequence (slide 54) from the Gharbiya cluster, including M29I, which is also in the Shantou geese, and V34I. Synonymous changes found in the four sequences from the Gharbiya cluster, and the Gharbiya chicken, are C818T, A826A, and G995A (also present as a mixture). Although the chicken sequence did not have N294S, the polymorphism associated with oseltamivir (Tamiflu) resistance, the mixed signals in the chicken sequence suggest that N294S may be present, but below the detection level. Therefore plaque purification of this isolate would be useful. The presence of the Gharbiya cluster-releated sequences in a chicken in Gharbiya in February, 2007 is cause for concern. Thus far, the Gharbiya sequence has been limited to cluster members, who died in December, 2006. However, the presence of the related sequence in poultry in February, 2007 raises questions about the presence of N294S in birds in Egypt and neighboring countries. Plaque purification of the chicken isolate, and additional testing of H5N1 infected poultry in the region, would be useful. |
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Egyptian child, 2, tests positive for bird flu
05 Apr 2007 22:07:20 GMT
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Minay is roughly 134 miles south of Cario along the Nile.
Extracted from the H.Niman website. Another H5N1 Confirmed Child in Minya Egypt |
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Bird flu arrives at the Chicken Farm Capital of Egypt
The Qalublia area North of Cario is home to the biggest poultry farms in the country. A Human case was hospitalized from Qanater ( in this area ) on approx 2 April 2007 The following is an extract from an Egyptian paper .
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Getting closer to Cairo ?
According to what I can find on the web , Qanater is roughly 16 miles north of cairo . The worry is ofcourse that Cairo is an extremely densely populated city and outbreaks in Cairo would be a real concern. If you include the Urban area Cairos population is approx 16.1 Million . |
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http://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Society/Birdhttp://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Society/BirdFlu/BirdFluinEgypt/091503000000000093.htmFlu/BirdFluinEgypt/091503000000000093.htm I have been under the impression that Egypt was failing to report outbreaks in poultry farms , however here is a website that details such outbreaks . Unfortunatel the website is confusing since much of the information seems to relate to 2006 rather than 2007. |
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Egypt: 3 New Possible Cases
If confirmed that would make approx 6 cases hospitalized in 8 days .
Names of New cases Mohamed is Ragab Mohamed from the Tnbouha of Nabarouh center,Mesbah Abu Mosallam Tawfik,Ali Al Sayed Abdul Ati from Mahmoud's dead village in the triumphant [Mansoura] district,
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