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Originally posted by monte monte wrote:

Did any of you read the story about the guy on house extreme makeover?  Had a 450k home built for him and family plus 10k a year for the next 25 years for taxes and maintenance all for free This is wonderful. All those people who reached out to help a family in need. Seems those picked for these makeovers are either Angels of the communitee or have extreme family handicapps. The maintenance and tax monies is great planning....then he took a loan out against it to start a business.  DISGUSTING! OMG what was this duffis thinking?????? There should be some sort of contract that prevents people from doing this dumb a@# choice. Well guess what, the business went south and he and family have no home.  What a selfish individual. Now what is the family going to do? I had not heard about this, Oh this really gets to me. Aint that a female dog! 
 
He is the poster child for what is wrong with America!  I agree! Here he gets a chance of a live time, take, take, take, I wonder if he gave back anything to the community? But what can one expect from a society that expects handouts. It is alarming. I am tired of the handouts. I understand needs and such, but this goof ruins things for others. I am rambling mad......Angry
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Dow up 187 points...up 4% in past 2 days best since April 1

This does not say that it will not go down tomorrow this market is not for the faint of heart.

Life goes on!
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Annie, this just proves you can give money to poor people and they will just throw it away. So for Liberals wanting to take from the rich and give to the poor have their heads in the sand.

Even Dr. Phil says you can't give money to people in financial trouble because they will be in the same situation again.

It is better to teach a man to fish rather than give him a fish. IMHO
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It is better to teach a man to fish rather than give him a fish. Ya! so true Flumom.. Where have I heard that before?
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Cramer says we hit bottom? I dont think so......
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Wow, you'd think Cramer knew something, he does and it's we haven't hit bottom.  He's doing what he's told and that is to paint a picture that everything is fine and getting better.  That's like saying inflation is at a whopping 3% when it doesn't take a rocket scientist or brain surgeon to go buy some groceries and find out it's around 12%  It sounds like more lies and spin to me.
r we there yet?
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Originally posted by waterboy waterboy wrote:

Cramer says we hit bottom? I dont think so......
 
His cred is pathetic at best. He's a shill for whoever or whatever.When everyone is completly negative due to being fleessed once again and the money market makers have got their fill of buying your stocks at rock bottom....thats when a bottom is acheived. RC 
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aq_FnETHl1gM&refer=home

Even Greenspan has to agree--"Waren't even near the bottom"
r we there yet?
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Tanking again?
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Yes, the sky is falling today but Monday it could clear up and the sun shines! Like I said this is going to be a bumppy ride.
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Big Retails Which May Close Or Downsize (CC)(BBI)(PIR)(CPWM)

CircuitcityIt is now no secret that we are in a very weak economic environment and if it is not an official recession it is for about 80% of the country.  We've already seen some retailers collapse entirely or at least fall into the restructuring chapters that protect the company from liquidation.  Among these are Sharper Image, Lillian Vernon, Mervyn's, Ames, Harvey Electronics, Good Guys, Levitz, Bombay, Movie Gallery, Tweeter, and other former modest-sized retailers which have filed to shield themselves from creditors.

There are several larger retailers that are in real trouble. Some are at risk for bankruptcy and each of them could have to cut operations so much that their revenue would be a fraction of what it is now.

24/7 Wall St. has reviewed the stocks of a number of retailers that are still operating independently. If  consumer buying power gets worse it could lead to an ugly outcome for retailers that don't have strong balance sheets and at least modest same-store sales.  Bankruptcy is not at all a pre-determined fate and these retailers may have modest prospects if they can get their houses in order.  But significant risks loom for their shareholders, especially if the economy takes several quarters to recover.

Sears (SHLD) is the most likely candidate for mass store closings. It has the balance sheet to weather a tough period, but not at its current size. Between the Sears and K-Mart brands, SHLD operates in 3,800 locations. The company is losing money and its cash balance fell sharply in the last quarter. In its comments about financial results, Sears said it did not expect that the troubles with a slow economy or rising commodities prices would get better this year. Comparable store sales for the Sears brand dropped almost 10%. The only way to improve that if the current retail recession continues is to close 10% of the company's outlet, about 350 locations.

Circuit City (CC) has to top the list of retailers that are not likely to make it out of a severe recession.The company's share price is $2, down from over $25 less than two years ago. Its market cap is only $350 million even though annual revenue runs about $12 billion. The competition in consumer electronics is killing CC margins.The company has almost 700 stores. If a downturn lasts well into next year, CC will have to cut scores of locations or seek court protection for its assets

The cool importers..... You can argue that Pier 1 Imports Inc. (PIR) and Cost Plus Inc. (CPWM) are being thought of as one because the plan by Pier 1 to acquire its smaller troubled competitor.

Pier_1Pier 1 is expected to lose money for fiscal Feb-2009 and has posted losses over the last three years.  The good news is that appears to have liquidity enough to get through the storm as long as it can move back to annual profitability in fiscal 2010 as analysts expect.  As of March 1, 2008 it had 1,117 stores and it has already closed some locations and many expect more.  If consumer buying power get worse, at a minimum you could anticipate fewer Pier 1 stores as it reviews its geographic position. If the retail recession lasts into next year, Pier 1's future starts to get dicey.

Cost Plus is thought of by many as "The Other Pier 1" and it can't be any secret that its restructuring and turnaround have failed to generate anything of benefit. Its market cap is only $50 million against annual sales of $1 billion  It has just shy of 300 locations and Cost Plus is faced with the prospects of closing more stores or paring down the size of some of the stores on its current leases whether their landlords want that or not.  As it fights a buyout by Pier 1, Cost Plus is faced with management and legal distractions not unlike those which Yahoo! has been up against.  Analysts expect losses for the next two years and loyal customers are likely wondering how long the financial performance can be tolerated. The current market value of the company is astonishing close to nothing

Re-Sellers:

Tuesday Morning Corp. (TUES) is another at-risk liquidation retailer that sells many in-home items that overlap products sold at larger retailers.  In fact, it is not infrequent at all that the items on their shelves still have the original large store's price and retail tag on them with the lower-priced Tuesday Morning tag over the original price.  The company is expected to be profitable by analysts but it doesn't take a genius to realize that the company has had enough earnings warnings to bring the stock down from $30 in 2005 down to $4 today.  Bankruptcy isn't an immediate possibility, but it would be easy to imagine that with 800+ locations the company may start lopping off some under-performing units.

Old_navyGap Inc. (GPS) is such a damaged brand that you have to be amazed that it has remained profitable during a period of declining sales.  The "dead money stock" classification for investors has been in effect for almost this entire decade.  It shuttered its Forth & Towne brand and has been restructuring under new management.  It has announced that it is closing many locations of the Gap, Banana Republic, and Old Navy brand stores, and it is really consolidating the Gap locations of Baby, Kids, and "Us."  The problem is that GPS has to fight so much brand damage that even in the current economy the restructuring could go on for years.  Added economic pressure will drive more store closures.  The good news here is that this could always be a break-up stock or a a perpetual "re-org" for investors.  Analysts are still expecting profits for the coming years, so don't lose too much sleep about whether or not the company will be there.  How many locations of each store brand is another question entirely. With same-store sales at Old Navy in particularly bad shape, the entire division may be closed. The Gap will make it, but its weakest brand will not

Blockbuster Inc. (BBI) has been a perpetual saga which many would have call a race to Zero. Netflix is only one of its problems, but it is amazing that Blockbuster has managed to do well as it has.  Many market pundits believe it is only WHEN rather than IF it disappears.  But there is hope and amazingly enough it is expected that the company will be profitable for each of the next two years and it is even expected to grow earnings.  Whether or not this happens depends on both the economy and the rate at which consumer move to digital downloads.  The company has sliced store counts already but it still has 7,800 locations when combining the U.S. overseas.  Competition and a changing consumer are elements BBI has had to adapt to and Wall Street would seemingly not be in a position to blame management if they decided to close more stores. While consumers may still rent DVD's, the risk that internet delivery of content will grows as a formidable alternative every day puts an endpoint on physical stores are a primary delivery system. At some point Blockbuster cannot support its own infrastructure.

Rite Aid Corp. (NYSE: RAD) has been another turnaround stock that just never turned around.  The company was a huge growth engine for investors for much of the 1990's, but it has been under $10 this whole decade and sits close to a $1 now.  It has lost money in the last two years and Wall Street expects losses to continue for the next two years. It has over 5,000 stores and yet it doesn't cover the entire U.S.  When a company keep losing money, has sporadic to negative sales growth, and faces much more dominant competition, the market begins to wonder if or when the day will come when it disappears.  A turnaround is always possible and it has many investors holding out for that day.  But competing against Walgreen's, CVS, Wal-Mart, and Target is a tough space to be in.  If the trends of the last decade continue and if you include an economy where stronger companies can undercut Rite-Aid day in and day out, then store traffic is likely to fall very sharply.  Management's purchase of shares recently can't change the economy.

Some of these companies will not make it, at least not without a Chapter 11 filing. Others may survive, but in terms or size and store count, they will likely look nothing like they do now.

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I never shop at any of these stores so it appears that alot of people are like me.

Oh, I only shop Rite Aid for their sales. So if Rite Aid goes I will shop Walgreen Ads only.

This is like the 70's and 80's folks many people lost jobs then too! Look we are all still here. Companies will come and go.   Times will get hard, very hard for some.

It is what it is!


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Stock Market up 331 points! Boy there is a lot of money made and lost on this roller coaster ride.
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http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/04/news/newsmakers/whitney_oppenheimer.fortune/index.htm

This gal is sharp, you might want to read what she is predicting for the future.
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The market could be poised for a significant dip.   Look out below. 
 
 

Fannie, Freddie stay in free fall on bailout talk

August 21, 2008

WASHINGTON -- U.S. authorities hoped their pledge of a blank cheque for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae would convince financial markets they wouldn't let the troubled mortgage lenders fail.

Washington may now have to show investors the money in the form of an equity infusion to bolster sagging confidence as the companies' shares spiralled yesterday to their lowest levels in nearly two decades.

The renewed selling pressure comes amid reports that the U.S. government may be poised to nationalize Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, leaving shareholders little or nothing.

U.S. Treasury Department and company officials would not comment on whether a bailout is in the works.

"As you would expect, we have been in communication with the companies for months to receive updates. We've also been communicating with their regulator and the Federal Reserve," Treasury spokeswoman Jennifer Zuccarelli said.

Fannie Mae chief executive officer Daniel Mudd, speaking on National Public Radio, reiterated that the company has more capital than it has ever had and that it has not asked for nor been offered help from the Treasury Department.

The fate of the two lenders, which together own or guarantee nearly half of all U.S. mortgages, has cast a pall over Wall Street and exacerbated a year-long credit crunch.

U.S. President George W. Bush signed an emergency law in late July that granted the Treasury Department the power to extend unlimited credit to the two companies if needed.

But unexpectedly steep second-quarter losses and reports that foreign investors may be dumping Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae bonds renewed selling pressure.

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were forced to pay their highest-ever risk premiums over Treasury bonds in recent debt offerings - a sign of growing nervousness about the companies' financial health. On Tuesday, Freddie Mac issued $3-billion (U.S.) of five-year notes, yielding 4.172 per cent, or more than a full percentage point greater than comparable Treasury bills.

Foreign investors, including many central banks, hold more than half of the two companies' combined $3.5-trillion worth of debt.

Analysts said investors appear to want Washington to put capital directly into the companies, rather than just provide an implicit guarantee. That would clarify the sometimes murky status of the companies, which were created by the government, but later privatized.

The ability of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to serve "two masters" - the U.S. government and private shareholders - has become untenable, argued Bose George, an analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc. He said the interest rate spread will remain wide as long as the government remains on the sidelines.

Critics, however, argue that a bailout would unfairly reward the companies' management, shareholders and debt holders at taxpayer expense.

"The Treasury bailout plan is socialism for the rich, the well connected and Wall Street," said Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University.

Mr. Roubini said the government should instead wipe out shareholders and force bondholders to take "a haircut."

U.S. officials are reportedly weighing this moral hazard against the knowledge that the two companies underpin an already shaky mortgage market. If Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapse, the mortgage bond and insurance market would freeze up, making it tough for banks to extend credit to homeowners.

The Federal National Mortgage Association, nicknamed Fannie Mae, was created during the Depression to encourage banks to extend credit to homeowners. It was privatized in 1968. The Federal Home Mortgage Corporation, or Freddie Mac, was created in 1970 to prevent further monopolization in the secondary mortgage market.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac grew rapidly and took on far greater risk, particularly during the post-1980s housing boom.

Combined, the two companies' now boast assets nearly 50 per cent greater than the largest private U.S. bank - Bank of America.

Both companies were involved in accounting scandals in 2003 and 2004, prompting allegations of mismanagement.

 
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I just read it LaRo.  Jim Cramer says this also (no I never watch him on tv :)
he says the write downs will be nearly as bad next year.
 
He has street.com...  hit Cramer on Demand.
 
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Get out of the market tomorrow!!!!! BEWARE,BEWARE.......
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Financial hurricane coming our way!
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LONG THE MARKET MONDAY ONLY........
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OH NO......dow 9200?????
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this thread is turning into a comedy :)

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Don't panic.  Banks who have been skeezeling us, that owned morts gone wrong and credit card crumbles are in a bad way.  If you own or transfer over to something people need every day like-

Soap... ............PG

Band aids........jnj

Gas.................cvx

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Diet Pepsi
Mountain Dew
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Starbucks Frappuccino
Lipton Iced Tea
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Naked Juice
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Fritos .................................PEP


And if you haven't been buying blue chips.....for shame.

Buy them till you retire and you we be ok.

If it (blue chip stock) goes low don't panic and sell it (GE people cover your ears)

Let it come back as blues do.  never sell  low.   Enrons are few.
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PHOTO by Justin Brandt


Stocks head for rally on word of gov't rescue plan


Friday September 19, 8:03 am ET
By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer 


Stocks head for big rally after US government indicates it is working on a bank rescue plan

NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street headed for a huge rally Friday after the U.S. government said it is creating a plan to rescue the nation's troubled banks from their souring debts.



Please read here-
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080919/wall_street.html


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Will See something tells me that this is a fools rally, just because the government tells you that it has a plan it doesnโ€™t mean that things a better, on the contrary they just trying to come you down. The government itself doesnโ€™t have money they are borrowing.
But they have a plan
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It's a major bailout for the rich, although there probably weren't many other options.  It might make it a little easier to obtain loans in 12 months from now, but the average struggling family really won't feel any affect from this.  The bankers/CEO's just had all of their mistakes wiped off their books, so they are all set.   Ironically enough, If Obama were to win, he would probably tax the living day lights out of those businesses and give it back to the middle class, lol.   
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Was thinking about this whole bailout mess so I thought I would post my 2 cents before they take it from me to help pay for this mess.Oops too late.
 
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very active trading in the blues. 

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The government has now moved into the private insurance business, as well as the mortgage and banking business.  
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

The government has now moved into the private insurance business, as well as the mortgage and banking business.  
The implications of nationalizing private companies is terrifying.
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I don't care what kind of a patch they come up with this weekend, we are still in mighty rough waters.

This patch is to try to keep the present government looking good until the election is over.  I'm not saying by any means that it is wrong, but it is just a patch.

I certainly don't believe the democrates "Tax and Spend" policy will do the trick either.

When does the money creation stop, do we really want to take a wheel barrel full of dollars to the store to buy a loaf of bread?  Soon they will be adding a zero to the $1 bill and make it into a $10. 

All this money being created out of thin air is crazy.  We're headed for a disaster if it continues and so far that seems to be where we're headed.

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Originally posted by LaRo LaRo wrote:

 
All this money being created out of thin air is crazy.  We're headed for a disaster if it continues and so far that seems to be where we're headed.
I could not agree with you more! The more they make...the less it will be worth.
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The Players Remaking Financial World


by Susanne Craig, Carrick Mollenkamp, Deborah Solomon and Dan Fitzpatrick

Saturday, September 20, 2008
provided by

Wall Street Journal On Line

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History has thrown a handful of men together this week with a task that they themselves might have brushed off as unthinkable just days ago: Give the U.S. financial system its biggest makeover since the 1930s. And do it quickly.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/105802/Street-Scenes:-The-Players-Remaking-Financial-World?mod=weekend

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The stock market swings are getting larger.  First it was 100 pt swings in either direction, then 200 pt swings, now we have 400 to 450 pt swings.  As the pendulum moves further in either direction, look out below. 
 
Everything the Fed & the Treasury Dept. are doing is just prolonging the inevitable crash.  It's like putting band-aids on a leak in the dam.  It's gonna crash eventually because we are only HALFWAY through the mortgage crisis!
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Originally posted by Elver Elver wrote:

The stock market swings are getting larger.  First it was 100 pt swings in either direction, then 200 pt swings, now we have 400 to 450 pt swings.  As the pendulum moves further in either direction, look out below. 
 
Everything the Fed & the Treasury Dept. are doing is just prolonging the inevitable crash.  It's like putting band-aids on a leak in the dam.  It's gonna crash eventually because we are only HALFWAY through the mortgage crisis!


Have you looked at U.S A. Today concerning the dips in market lately. Maybe someone could illuminate me on what both sides keep elusively calling their "bailout" and brilliant strategy to handle what looks a lot like - well the D word.  How do we define the D word (Depression)? A lot of people are pretty concerned with gold skyrocketing, trillions of dollars in stocks going up in smoke and and what is the clear plan for either candidate aside from looking to the current administration and saying 'well people, you really made a mess here and we need to clean it up.'

We surely must proceed with some clearer agenda so it doesn't clean us up. We have not recovered with sink all the money into houses (for the laymen-I am not a stock broker) counting on the appreciating and making profits, and then suddenly we are in a give a loan to anyone, they can't pay, foreclose, losing farms, and the foundation of security - not so solid. 

just some laymen comments.. concern..

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Well this is the battle for the hill.  The winner gets the white house. 

This mess was actually started years ago and just got worse over the years, this year it snowballed.

If they pass this 800 billion dollar rescue, it will do for a few weeks, but not forever, the central banks just threw 2.5 TRILLION dollars at it last week and it didn't make a dent.  This is just more politics to try to keep the republicans in office.  ( I will vote republican, so don't get me wrong). 

If the democrats were smart and i don't think they are (look who's running for president) anyway if they were smart, they would table this mess until after the elections, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by voting in favor of this plot.
r we there yet?
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Looks like most of you think your experts? Watch your little 401Ks get alot smaller.Gov. bonds and annuities is where your money should be.
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 THE MARKETS WILL CRASH LIKE IN 1929. GET OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. IT COULD TAKE TEN YEARS TO COME BACK...

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IT MAY BE A BAD WEEK....?

AP
European, Asian markets plunge on crisis fears
Monday October 6, 7:02 am ET
By Emily Flynn Vencat, AP Business Writer
European and Asian markets plunge as bailouts in US, Europe fail to ease financial fears

LONDON (AP) -- Asian and European stock markets plunged Monday as government bank bailouts in the U.S. and Europe failed to alleviate fears that the global financial crisis would depress world economic growth.


Germany guarantees savings to avert panic...

Asian markets plunge on fears crisis is spreading...

EUROPE ROCKED...

Oil falls below $90...
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so far I'm seeing some neg. media hype... market opens in about 2 minutes...
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Stocks Sink at Open

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Equities sank at the open, tracking a plunge in European markets as renewed turmoil in the financial sector heightened fears the U.S. bailout plan will do little to alleviate the pain of a global recession.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 207.88 points to 10117.50, while the S&P 500 fell 24.99 points, or 2.3%, to 1074.24 and the Nasdaq Composite Index dropped lost 48.66 points to 1898.73.


President George W. Bush signed a $700 billion rescue package into law Friday. However, questions continued to swirl about how and when the bailout plan will be implemented and how much the broader economy will continue to suffer even in a best-case outcome afterward.

Global markets were sharply lower Monday despite the passage of the bailout plan, as renewed turmoil in Europe's financial sector heightened anxiety of the state of the world economy.

Over the weekend, France's BNP Paribas took control of Fortis's Belgian and Luxembourg operations, and Germany's Hypo Real Estate Holding secured a new bailout after an earlier deal unraveled. Italy's Unicredit launched a capital increase, Iceland sought new capital for its banks and Germany issued a blanket guarantee of all its consumer bank deposits. Most Asian indexes closed sharply lower as investors focused on the deepening European banking crisis.

"The bailout plan was needed but more needs to be done to fix things, and we're not even sure a rate cut will be enough," a trader at GFT Global Markets says. To many Wall Street veterans, a painful, long recession unlike anything the U.S. has suffered in decades seems increasingly likely, with the fallout likely to spread to other countries.

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A broker at the Frankfurt Stock exchange reacts as stocks fall.

Before the opening bell, the Federal Reserve took fresh steps to free up frozen credit markets, saying it will begin paying interest on commercial banks' reserves and will expand its loan program to squeezed banks. Treasurys and the dollar both pared gains after the announcement. Before the announcement, the cost of borrowing overnight U.S. dollar funds in the interbank market had risen to 2.36875%, up from Friday's fixing of 1.99625%. The cost of three-month borrowing fell to 4.29% from 4.33%, however.

Bank shares were leading the way lower. The Federal Reserve was pushing to resolve the Wachovia dispute by carving up its network between Citigroup and Wells Fargo & Co., The Wall Street Journal reported. Wachovia fell 3.5%, while Citigroup was down 5%. Wells Fargo rose fractionally.

Bank of America and a number of U.S. states reached an $8.4 billion accord under which the banking giant will modify troubled mortgages and enable nearly 400,000 Countrywide Financial clients to keep their homes.

Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher and Chicago Fed President Charles Evans both are due to speak on the U.S. economy on Monday. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is due to speak on Tuesday.

Oil futures tumbled $3.93 to $89.86 a barrel on speculation that the spreading financial crisis will exacerbate a global economic slowdown and further cut demand for crude oil.

On Friday, an early stock rally evaporated, leaving major stock indexes down for the day despite the House of Representatives' highly anticipated passage of the bailout plan. The Dow industrials fell 157 points, the S&P 500 lost 15 points and the Nasdaq Composite declined 29 points on Friday. For the week, which was one of the most tumultuous in the history of Wall Street, the Dow was off 7.3%, its biggest weekly decline in more than six years.

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Equities sank at the open...
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They seem to sink on Monday mornings.


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Things dont look good for the rest of the week either.It will take 4-5 more months to widdle out this credit mess. BEWARE....
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...  symbol C    don't get worried ...it's not at 9...

after all the market slumped down 700 points or so and then came back...so 500 is not odd.
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How many Black Mondays have we

 bounced back from?    



Black Monday, 19 October 1987 - the second largest one-day decline in recorded stock market history.

Black Monday, January 21, 2008 -one of the biggest worldwide stock market crash since September 11, 2001. [1] FTSE 100 had its biggest ever one-day points fall [2], European stocks closed with their worst result since September 11, 2001 [3], and Asian stocks dropped as much as 15% [4].

Black Monday, September 15, 2008 - a day in the Liquidity crisis of September 2008, a worldwide stock market crash due to Lehman Brothers filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and major investment bank Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America. Dow Jones Industrial Average lost more than 500 points, which is the biggest point drop since September 2001[5]. FTSE 100 dropped 212 points, and it was the biggest one-day percentage drop since January 21, 2008 [6]. Hong Kong, Japan and Korea stock market suspended that day due to public holiday, and they fell over 5% on the following day (September 16).[7]

Black Monday (September 2008) September 29, 2008 - The United States House of Representatives rejected a $700 billion bail out plan, leading to a 777.68 point drop on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

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Jim says-

Banks need to lend money...

too much money chasing too few goods.

Cramer: Cut Rates

Jim Cramer says we need inflation and we need to cut rates.

http://www.thestreet.com/video/index.html#1841457173


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