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Thank you Mary. With some diligence, news on Iran's activities still continues to leak through on the net. Iran has no intention at all of stopping its nuclear and military build up and is feverishly preparing for the inevitable attack to stop it. Israel it literally chomping at the bit to launch a 'surgical' strike - but however surgical, this will ignite a regional conflict which will quickly spill over into Pakistan. Iran has the capability to mobilize hundreds of thousands of fighters, up to 500,000 and at least several hundred thousand (which it has done in the past) some sources report in days. Enemy targets of the Taliban in especially Pakistan are very difficult to hit. One military source stated striking these targets was "like shooting in the dark." Therefore, there has been a renewed operation of sending special forces on the ground into the thick of it to target to effectively counter the resistance forces. In one recent 'fiction" movie scene of an encounter in which two fighters were stranded and waiting air support and hit by Pakistan fighters, this was all too close to the reality of the situation in Pakistan. It should be clearly understood the rational in making the American public aware of what seems to elude the mainstream, is that although this situation has been going on for years, it is it at a point where troops, fighters, and weapons are being sent to Lebanon, and training of fighters, manufacture of weapons and also a growing air force is preparing for the coming battle. And attack on Iran by the U.S. would be costly in lives, funding, and add an additional war to the already tedious conflict in Iraq. The next administration (if this continues to drag on )will be taken to task immediately on taking office, for it appears President Bush does not wish to initiate a response during his administration to Iran. It seems extremely odd that Iran is so feverishly preparing for an attack if there is none eminent. Independent intelligent sources which cannot be quoted have located cells from Iran in 5 countries including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, which are attempting to disrupt the governments in these nations and destabilize the region. This presents a challenge. Also, nations across the Gulf are still on full alert. Medclinician |
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We need war to destruct us from all this financial problems
Let unite against a common enemy lets work towards liberation of Iran Let buy war bonds |
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Of course there are many faiths and the freedom in America to worship or not worship. It is unlikely, that as much as we would strive for peace, until the very last times, we will achieve it. Sadly, but truly, conflict brings change and change may bring prosperity. After World War I there was the 20s, after World War 2, the 50's and great economic boom, jobs, and in preparing for conflict industries grew and literally created Silicon Valley from Lockheed Missiles and Space, IBM, the Naval Base, and Intel, Apple, Atari, and Hewlett Packard and Food Machinery that built tanks. The unification of any country against a common foe stimulates the sense of national focus and prosperity. But for interest's sake, and those of a similar belief, I would post this - This is religious and those who would rather not read something religious, feel free to stop reading. I am not ashamed to be a Christian or in a nation founded upon such values and beliefs. We should live in peace and tolerate those of all faiths, but still have to the freedom to express our own. "Now as He [Jesus] sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, ‘Tell us, when will these things be?’ And ‘What will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the Age?’" (Matt 24:3)
"Jesus answered and said to them . . . 'And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [Still before the Rapture and the 'Apocalypse'] For nation [ethnic group] will rise against nation [ethnic group], and kingdom [country] against kingdom [country] . . . All these are the beginning of sorrows [actual translation is "birth pangs"] [As with "birth pangs" they will grow closer] (Matt 24:6-7)
[Note: The original Greek word translated "nation" was "ethnos," from which we get our word "ethnic."] So, although the world has always had false messiahs, cults, wars, ethnic violence and strife, starvation, disease, epidemics, and earthquakes, Jesus tells us that as a sign that we are entering into the last days we will see each of these increase in frequency and size. Described as "birth pangs," these "pains" will continue to grow worse and worse, coming closer and closer together, as signs we are preparing to enter the Apocalypse . . . For then Jesus warns, "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be [the Apocalypse]. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh [on Earth] would be saved" (Matt 24:21-22) comment: we would not wax into doomsday mode - but some of us do believe these are the last times.. The conflict with Iran, the involvement with Israel, these are disturbing. One recent and high profile candidate has rather outspoken beliefs which should she be elected and someone come to assume the role of president - it is highly relevant. Despite the freedom to worship in any faith, a great many of our greatest leaders and presidents have been Christian. contrapoint political on attacking Iran to follow Medclinician |
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Contrapoint - the candidates - some comments on Western Forces preparing or considering attacking Iran:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lincoln-chafee/iran-policy-foolhardy-and_b_103796.html Lincoln Chaffe- "Are we going to attack Iran?" The question comes up frequently whenever I appear before a group these days, to talk about current events, or my book, Against The Tide. Concern about the Bush/Cheney people launching a third war in the Greater Middle East can only be heightened now that the International Atomic Energy Agency has said Iran's nuclear program may be aimed less at energy generation and more at military use. Last September, the Senate asked the White House to declare the Iranian armed forces a "terrorist" organization. The vote was 76 to 22, much like the 77-to-23 vote that authorized the war in Iraq.Senator Clinton, of course, voted to put the terrorist label on Iran. (Eight months ago the New York Times said it was evidence that the inevitable Democratic nominee "has already shifted from primary mode... to general election mode, when she must guard against critics from the right." his opinion: If the will of the voters has been frustrated, that's bad enough. Does Washington now need to compound it by attacking Iran? It would be a terrible mistake for politicians of both parties to point to the IAEA report and declare that an international body has confirmed our worst fears and the Persian Gulf is ripe for another military "solution." how about Presidential candidate Obama? Just two months ago in May 2008, Obama said “Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny, they don’t pose a serious threat to us.” That position caused an international firestorm among our allies in Europe and contributed to Obama’s reputation as naive on foreign policy. Fast forward to July 23 2008. In a flip-flop Obama said that Iran poses a grave threat to world peace and United States security.
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War is always Bad. That why there so much debate about it But in this world power rules. That is why China attacked Tibet, Iraq attacked Kuwait, Russia attacked Georgia, etc. There were wars before America USA just made war smaller but you can’t make humanity different it is in our blood. We kill, dominate, enslave, sacrifice, people are evil. |
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Iranian and U.S. boats had a series of confrontations in the narrow Gulf last winter. At the time, high-ranking U.S. naval officials said they had long coordinated ship movements easily with Iran's navy in the Gulf, but had found Revolutionary Guards-manned boats to be more confrontational.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/17/iran.usa
Bush could still attack Iran
Despite the main finding in the latest report from the International Atomic Energy Agency that it "has been able to continue to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran", the western media has focused on the issue of Tehran's lack of transparency over the IAEA investigation into recent intelligence allegations (Report, September 12). These involve missile re-entry vehicle projects and have been rejected by the Iranians, who have not even been permitted to see the documents upon which the allegations are founded. This week the US Congress is debating two non-binding resolutions which, if passed, will greatly increase the likelihood of military intervention against Iran. They call on the US president to "increase economic, political and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities", and demand "stringent inspection requirements" of all goods entering or leaving Iran and an embargo of refined petroleum products to Iran. Although both resolutions exclude authorisation for military action, the embargo will require a naval blockade. Such a blockade could result in skirmishes with the Iranian navy which could rapidly escalate. The US is massing the largest armada of warships in the Gulf since 2003. Two aircraft carrier task forces are already there and a third was dispatched on August 22. French and British warships and carrier groups are also reportedly on their way. This has increased speculation that George Bush might authorize military attacks against Iran before the end of his term in office in January, or before the November elections to boost to the likelihood of a McCain presidency.
comment: Iran no doubt is a flashpoint we will have to deal with in the near future. How near that future is, only the heads of of our government and military know. Medclinician
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Just a note here: It appears that it is a possibility that for
political reasons there may be a multi-national attack upon Iran.
Russian's recent cryptic statements appear more posturing than
seriously threatening. Russia may not intervene if several countries
unite in stopping Iran's nuclear weapon development.
The classic theme here is that the Bush administrations have always fared well, at least initially with the clash of war in the Middle East where after years of allegedly being stalked by these secret highly organized terrorists, we finally stuck it to them, and the public could have the rush of adrenaline as we bombed and invaded another country. It was said that Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar armies faltered as they took over world because the countries thrived on the pulse beat of war, of spoil, of making and selling weapons, as effective or useful as the Pharaohs who enslaved the masses building pyramids and huge effigies to themselves. These served no useful purpose, as war is self serving and creating jobs and prosperity by creating weapons to kill each other with. We can live without war and conflict to fuel our economies. We must use intelligence and resourcefulness as other competing nations have and do. And most of all someone must touch the third rail of social security, dying economy, abortion, stem cells, and finally someone must allow doctors and scientists to develop cures for diseases and release them which have existed for decades instead of feeding the drug and medical industry which has a choke hold on the American public. Such a hold that no elected leader at the highest levels dares to challenge or instigate social and economic change without being buried by mud slinging, who had sex with who in the oval office, or what scandal can be dug up, or any means possible to strip us of our most talented and brilliant leaders. What are we offered on our plate now to lead our country in the midst of the most crucial period where economics is a thousand times more important than terrorists. Where the savage beating of a country war weary and economically exhausted wants real issues addressed and real problems solved. Just as Martin Luther King stood and said "I have a dream", so now we are driven not by hope and pride in our country. We march to the beat of fear and depression. We once were the most medically advanced nation, now 1/3 of us are in chronic pain. The research for life extension is almost non existent . There is no real desire for us to live longer. So, once again, we may see a war started so that the 'warlike' politicians can bean beat the "weak and inexperienced" who talk of peace and moderation. Would they start a war just to win an election? Do the oil companies raise the gas prices in summer when everyone is on the road on vacation because oil costs more to produce? No, when you look at the gas pump and it reads in the stratosphere, and you cannot figure out how you will afford to get to work, and have to put aside that drive across several states to see your relatives. They do it not because it is right or really serves any purpose at all. Would thousands of people have to die so that the U.S. and Britain could beat the drums of war and thus ensure their election. They do it because they can. This thread will not last forever. And that is because not too long off at 3 a.m. as I read the engines and tapes I will see it - and post it. The Western forces have attacked Iran. Medclinician |
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I don’t think we are in control I don’t see a national debate on should we attack The government effectively became too big and powerful to listen to the people |
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Jerusalem Post - Current Rather than pushing Iran into a corner, Russia's position, Stegniy said, was designed to keep Iran at the negotiating table, and to keep the Intentional Atomic Energy Agency inside Iran. Stegniy, who said Russia disputed Israel's estimate that Iran could go nuclear as early as the end of next year, said he believed the situation in Iran "is still under control, and will get out of control when the IAEA leaves the country." According to the Russian ambassador, the world's media is using Russia and China as "scapegoats" with regards to Iran. "We will do our utmost to keep Ahmadinejad from having a nuclear weapon. It is the consensus aim. We may differ on the means, but we are united on strategy." Stegniy, who took over as ambassador in the fall, also addressed another issue of contention with Israel: Russia's contacts with Hamas. The rationale behind this contact, which he said was only with Hamas's political wing, was to try and contain the organization, he maintained. Stegniy said that while Moscow appreciated Israel's position of not talking with Hamas, Russia viewed it as part of its "regional responsibility" to speak to rogue states and organizations in an effort to contain them. Again drawing on his experience in Libya, Stegniy drew a parallel between talking to Hamas now, and talking to Gaddafi then. "I took relaxation medicines before I met Gaddafi," he said. "We don't enjoy it, but see it as part of our responsibility. Someone has to speak to rogue states, that is why we are speaking to Hamas." |
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