Medclinician goes public-workingwithinfrastructure

All I can say is WOW.  All along I told my family of you.  And that I thought you was somebody important.  This only confirms that.  Best of Luck Med. 

I just feel he someone important thats all .  Or at least really educated in the medical field and pandemics.  We each have the right to our opinion.  It is a free world still.

Mary08 wrote: hi Med...best of luck...did you reg and get an isbn #?

The publisher will do that. It will go in paperback as well. We wanted to do Bantam but the delay time is a year and at worst - lulu.com would do the paperbacks - and may if the other publisher is too slow.. He will take 6 weeks and that is very fast to get a book out.

I am going to do something very unusual... since there is a well.. whatever in linking to the site... I will post some here.

Perhaps it will make this more real for all of you. Kinda big posts I don't know if this can handle it. But enjoy. I have been working very hard. Okay let's see if this will work.

Pandemic Now

Survivor's Guide 

Surviving the coming Pandemic 

2008 -2012 A.D.

"not if, but when" c. Medclinician 2006-2012

Dedicated to my son Skye and his mother Bluebird

                                                                                              William Ross Wallace 1865

 INTRODUCTION

>> PANDEMIC SURVIVOR’S GUIDE <<

H.G. Wells was a rather famous science fiction writer and wrote such memorable titles as War of the Worlds, The Invisible Man, and The Time Machine. In a closing scene, in the movie version of the Time Machine, after telling of his incredible adventures in the future, he returns to his machine deciding to voyage one last time into the future. Filby, his life long friend returns, but in one movie version you see the flicker of lights and hum of the device, and his friend is gone. . The housekeeper, Mrs. Watchett notes that he took three books with him. Filby asks her which books she thought he might have taken. Perhaps as you journey into the future of a coming Pandemic, this book will be one you choose to take with you.

The network, the media, and even some bookstores have volumes of information on preparing for the coming Pandemic. Actually there may be three waves, or Pandemics. And in the midst of these may be war and economic chaos. In addition to the primary strain which may sweep like a fire across a hot dry fired [citation-Suzanne Vega]  It is  likely to be accompanied by multiple serious disease epidemics such as Cholera, Typhoid, and other opportunistic infections that thrive when there is poor sanitation and a lot of unburied bodies.

This book was not written to be read cover to cover as a novel, although it can be.  For one, there is nothing in it that is fiction. The closest things to fiction are extrapolations of events and the reactions to those events by the behavior of the world population in response to a pandemic.  It is divided into sections which can be read in whatever order you wish , depending what you may find interesting or useful.

The book begins with history, background and medical and disease information. Some may choose to skip this section entirely. One might find yourself petty bored sitting in place, waiting for the sequence of events to play themselves out. One might be curious how it all came to be. Over thousands of years, a Pandemic  which could threaten the existence of the human race. 

Many will die while some will survive the First Wave of infection.  Sixty percent or more is the actual number given by WHO as the official fatality rate for those who catch Avian Flu. Since we have seen it above 80% in Indonesia, there is chilling possibility it may prove far more deadly than the Plague or Black Death of the middle ages where only about 1/3 of the population died.

Some of those who make it through will be the survival of the fittest. They will have natural immunity, or catch it, fight it off, and develop immunity. As per the numbers given above, the odds are not in our favor. And since we really don’t have an effective vaccine, and even if we did, we do not even have it in the quantities to protect our infrastructure (those who run and protect our country) it is a moot point. If we had the formula the day the outbreak started in mostly likely China, India, Indonesia, or Hong Kong, we may never have the people or factories to make it or the gasoline to put in the vehicles to get it to the people.

So a book on surviving must take into account a few harsh realities. These are fiercely debated but plainly stated on the Internet.

1)      The government may declare a disaster and quickly move from a democracy to a police state where the militia is really combat troops and laws are quickly changed to shred the veil of protection we have against such things. Weapons may be confiscated. Families may be pulled apart and individuals may be put a gun point under mandatory concentration camp like quarantine sites. When asked to surrender weapons people may refuse and fire them. When asked to go quietly into the jaws of death of a quarantine camp, many, as happened in Vietnam, nurses as well, go running down the road in a hail of bullets.

2)      People are not going to react as most of us predict they will. I am working with psychologists and health professionals as I write this book, to determine what the average American will do when faced with a Pandemic. Imagine a PMS population for 6-18 months and there will not be a lot of happy happy joy joy persons around. Many will be armed. Many will be crazy. They will be hungry, afraid, desperate, paranoid, and most will lose trust in the any type of federal authority. No matter what words are given in reassurance or patronizing speeches by radio or by leaders, people are going to freak. I saw this in the large earthquake at the end of the 20^th century. Some people were just quiet and numb and scared, and some where hyper and getting into fights, and some were smashing glass and stealing things. By one executive order [citation] or law it is illegal to stockpile or hoard food. In the event of a disaster your food will be taken from you and distributed to others who did not prepare. You won’t have Prep rights. There are no such laws.  Not only will friends and relatives be trying to take your supplies, the government may just walk in and take them without even considering if you will have enough to survive.

3)      Real solutions and a pragmatic approach to dealing with the 3 waves of Pandemics, which are very very likely, require real facts. The massive amount of information on the Internet, on sites, and in the media is not accurate. It is loaded with spin.  [citation]  When the first and lethal outbreak of Avian hits North America, the government already has in place a) a plan  b) propaganda and very specifically crafted data to put out there and c) the intent of flooding all information sources with what they want the people to believe, the truth will be swallowed alive.

4)      That is why it is absolutely essential that the data in this book be absolutely accurate. When we must extrapolate (guess) then we must do so with extreme caution and use the most grounded generated data which is the most likely to be true. People are not going to be happy. And after grumbling and mumbling at the government for decades it will considered, not matter what reasons are given, it was their fault. It will be resented to the highest outrage the fact that the survival of the Infrastructure is considered more important than the survival of the peoples lives. All plans exist to primarily ensure that the Infrastructure, the politicians, military, medical, and scientists are first on the list.

5)      Who is expendable? The old people and anyone who is going to use a lot of supplies, vaccine, and where one person surviving could result in the death of ten others from no food, medicine, or shelter. People will be left to die. In our report we are preparing, as part of the book and will be sent to the CDC, NIH, and the highest offices in the government, we will earnestly try to convey the necessity of a compromise between cold hearted triage and humanity.

So, with all that having been said, what do we need to give you in this book to help you survive?

Since this is not written for entertainment, nothing that is not useful in someway belongs in the book. Every page, beyond this introduction must be informative.

Then why a big history section and a lot of verbose details about disease and so forth. Because you need to understand, we need to fill in the blanks with a broad background on disease, health, and how we have got to where we are.

We have existed as humanoids for perhaps three million years. We could be wiped out as a species in three years and six billion people could die and humankind would be a memory.

Looking back through history, how many species have been terminated by nature or disaster?

[Major citation and insert]  Consider this.

For one we don’t even know how many species there are now. Even more so, we don’t know how many species have existed. But we can take a shot at how many have vanished in the last 500 years and even last 20 years. Human kind, however developed their brain and however vain they are concerning their superiority over all others, could be wiped out. The different between us and the dinosaurs when the earth was hit by a comet and perhaps the axis shifted and suddenly cold-blooded creatures where stomping through snow, is that we can anticipate the danger and try and prepare for something which might wipe out the human race. Animals have no concept of disease, except for the possible smell of something dead or disease. My dogs certainly don’t have any natural fear of dead things. One of them likes to roll in grotesque and disgusting things, a dead squirrel being one of them.

But we also have the higher brain function of choice to ignore our awareness of impending disaster. Currently 1% of America is concerned enough about the coming Pandemics to store food, medicine, or water.

How about psychologically? For the most part, many are challenged just getting through their everyday lives by conditions in the U.S. which are less than optimal. Death of a child, a loved one, dead bodies in the streets, violent angry types raping, pillaging, and burning, even torturing or killing family or groups could present a real problem for someone who never imagined the world of the Pandemic. A world in which all the comforts and safeties we have become addicted to are gone in several weeks.

So, in briefer terms the book includes, a section for prepping and also living during a pandemic. It includes information on Avian, diseases, First Aid, and more mundane things like digging a latrine or how waste and other sanitation problems can be dealt with.

What frequency will .gov be broadcasting on. If INet (a communication network built and designed by Medclinician Foundation is working) how can you log on? Will we end up like the movie “The Postman” where the mail system on horses has to be completely restarted?

How do you conduct a town meeting? How can you reach a consensus from a group to function in an alternate society, or system of communal living, until normal government is restored? What is meant by the SIP phase, the emergence phase, and the restoration phase?

What are the plusses and minuses of city dwelling versus country as per population density? Are you organized as far as keeping track of your food and supplies?

How about an MC survivor pack for men, women, or families? The dead will have to be handled and interred or stored using specific methods to limit the spread of the Pandemic. Clothes, articles, and bedding will need to be burned. Would it be best t keep the family unit together or should we live in large quarters, some for many men, some for many men.  Should every able bodied person be required to work to be part of the community or do something to contribute in some way? The Indians and some Amazonian tribes use  lodges for houses, and women handle child raising and traditional women roles. Can we accommodate gender benders in a basic tribal or communal unit or will they need to set up separate communities?

How do you secure an area, a city, a county, using natural boundaries and limited personnel? What do you do about the crazy people running around shooting each other, higher than high on crack and drugs and capable of the most grisly acts, now unchecked by no visible law enforcement or government protection?

Survival is not an art, it is a science. It is the prime motivator of the human species and it would be the focus in the event of a Pandemic. One can do nothing of value or worth, neither artistically, culturally, or spiritually in this world unless they and their family can survive.

This book was written by not one person, but by utilizing the combined resources, thinking, and contributions of hundreds of people. Those of us who care enough, want to help and give you something you can hold in your hands and utilize. Something  useful; all you need is a little sunshine by day and a candle by night to read and written in many parts where a 12 year old child could pick it up and use it, even if both his or parents had died from the disease, and work with the next generation, those who will endure and build the foundation for a society after the Great Pandemic is only a sad and distant memory.  A lot of questions have been brought up in this introduction. Now it is time to answer them.

Med I think the book has a lot to offer.  The recovery part is quite important, as they say the main deaths would happen in aprox. 3 mos time.  I'm wondering about the severity of it.  We had two flu pandemics since the 1918 pandemic. 

China has been inoculating it's citizens for yrs with heaven knows what...something we haven't offered up until recently ... and I don't see a lot of takers. 

The big hit will be the economy.  That disruption will be greater than they knew in 1918.
They could handle things we can't because of our supply lines.  We should never have gone from train to truck to this extent.  And people can not afford to prepare.  To gather up four or five months of food?   We are pushing for another Walmart in the area.  That would help...to just empty it out...might help for a few weeks.  Amazing the amounts of food we would need.

Thanks med.......and you Albert for making this possible.....

Med,  thanks for your post.

I am very impressed on the work you have done and will continue to do in the future.

I went to both of your sites and read everything.

Medclinician,

I have a whole different take on Pandemic flu. It has been and continues to be hard for me to believe when I look at the vast amounts of things that have been done since 1918 from a scientific point of view that so little has been done to stop or erradicate the threat of human extinction from a virus or bacterium. I believe that for it to be true that there is nothing or little that can be done, it almost has to have been part of a plan, that certainly does not have the best interests of the average person in mind. If we weree talking about some alien life form, brought back to earth from a space exploration that would be different, but we have know about the Avian flues for decades. We chose to do nothing? I  have googled and tried to find names of people who were famous or had money that died in 1918 and other than that guy in England that they just dug up, few if any peoples names appeared. None from the very wealthy elite of the world.

I certainly am a very small voice in all this, but as I speak to those in the infrastructure, the feeling is very much like those who come into the office of president and get that briefing behind the scenes - now this is how it REALLY is.

For one,  not as much from the infrastructure who know and are very concerned with the coming Pandemic, the word I keep hearing over and over is - DENIAL - from the main stream population. In some ways, it is like if people keep saying this over and over - there is not a threat - then that will be enough to stop it from happening. It won't.


Red Cross is scurrying, and I mean on a high gear move to prepare. And vaccine wise, at least a 100 labs are working on a vaccine or pre-vaccine.

I am meeting with planners (or will meet) of entire states face to face and in person. WE are going to the media. We are going into the final phase of prep and informing the public. The masks are going off. We cannot afford the luxury or safety that so many people enjoy who can post and read unnamed. The real data is more intense than any posts or news I have read in the last two years.

They know.

This may sound simplistic but despite all the spin, those in the highest offices are completely informed on the gravity of the situation. When Dr. Julie Gerberding from CDC gets up and says "we are not ready for a Pandemic"  this is based on hard core data from the most reliable sources. We are not. When the head of prep for a whole state says we don't have 1/10 of the ventilators we are going to need when this hits, the hospitals will shut down, and we will be setting up clinics in Wall Mart, I believe her.

I wish that those who have been going on about it will dissipate and be only 2% CFR or that we will rally forth and valiantly, like some Rocky Balbao prize match devastate the Pandemic. 

It is going to devastate us heavily. Our goal is to survive and then rebuild society and our economy. It won't be the nasty errors in investment on homes that will take us out, it will be the flu. You might notice that U.S.A Today, Wall Street Journal, and Newsweek are more and more duplicating what I am posting here on AFT. It is because their reporters are waking up and smelling the coffee and TPTB already know.

It should be heavily emphasized, there is nothing to be lost by preparing. If it doesn't hit - you have extra groceries and medicine. If it does, you may save millions of lives.

These numbers.. like 60% CFR are not shocking to .gov. They are not talking the 2% fairy tale will find in the plan situations. Those make it fit what we can cope with. We are not going to be able to easily cope with what is coming. If people have reasonable expectatons of how nasty this is going to be, they won't freak out quite so much when it happens. A little foreshadowing and psyche prep here is long overdue. Stop telling people it will be no big deal. Just a bump iin the road. It will be an 8 foot fissure of missing road. Those who know  are talking hard core, I was told bodies in buildings as opposed to my BITS (bodies in the streets). WHO says 63% or more fatlity in people who catch Avian. Isn't that kind of simple to understand. So we have to hear, well as it spreads, it will lessen. Did it in Europe during the Bubonic Plague? Where was all this lessening of fatlity rate during the Black Death. Look at history. Mother nature can be brutal and has been.

They are making serious plans for body disposal, generating power in plants from coal, a mass migration from D.C. to X location, and now I am hearing 15,000,000 doses of something - well our infrastructure is 11,000,000.

A dozen references to the salt particle surgical masks which are useless against Avian. And law enforcement numbers which are reflected already in the rising crime rates as police forces are cut by the bad economy.

In a nearby high school there are daily assaults on students and we have had 2 bombing alerts in 2 weeks.  Violence and crime is increasing. There is a drastic rise in justified homicide. The laws are changing to say - protect yourself from violence in your home. Prepare for more aggressive more threating people while you sit in place with your food and water.

Quite candidly, and I am not in contact with some of the virologists and high profile Avian experts with pet theories and agendas I used to be. The reason is all this philosophizing and debate is getting to be a moot point. It is like arguing about the color of the robes the barbarians are wearing as they storm the gates.

Mutation is occuring. To quote an infrascture person verbatim "Mruphy's law - with the crash coming in the economy - how appropriate Avian may very well hit hard this winter."

So, look, we don't want people all panicky, we just want people to prepare and don't waste any more time wondering.

I was speaking to health authorities and they will be passing out literature on basic data on first aid. We are putting together data for the book - some of it comes from the Ammish procedures for survival and societies which live outside society.

The idea is to get through this. Put aside all ths the flood is not coming, don't build the ark.
The storm is coming.  Not to live in some kind of winter is not coming comfy plush land. I know people smoke, and I know some won't like this, but I have (had) four relatives who smoked and said to me "if I want to smoke and enjoy my last 10 years rather than wobble around for the next 50 years, bugger off and leave me alone. They are now occupying prime real estate in Oakhill Cemetary in Silicon Valley. Unfornately those in a Pandemic will not have the luxury of the cush weather proofed coffins and liners. They will have a toe tag and a mass grave.

Not fun reading for a Sunday morning. But the goal here is to in 3 years after the Pandemic be reading a new release that most of the effects and damage of the Pandemic, except for loss of life, have pretty much been overcome. You are still alive, driniking your coffee, holding your grandchildren on your knee and watching the rising sun, still breathing.

We are working on plans. And some of us are working on getting a clear simple readable version to you as soon as possible. So another one liner... as I said before - Don't Panic - Prepare. M.C.

Medclinician

SusanT wrote: I haven't posted in a while because, frankly, I was tired of the political and economic focus this site had taken (sorry Albert). However, Med, I wanted to let you know that I was very happy to read about your book and all that you have accomplished. Even though I have not always agreed with everything you have posted, I have found your posts over the years well written and articulate, and looking at the Table of Contents, it seems to be a very comprehensive outline. I hope it is a best seller! I look forward to reading it. Congratulations. Susan

Thanks Susan and encouraging. A lot of useful information has been flowing in from individuals as well as communities, such as the Amish group. Some religious groups are extremely cohesive and would be extremely useful social units during a Pandemic. And example would be a recently designed Amish stove which may sell for a few hundred dollars which in incredibly fuel efficient.

Suggestions from groups of mothers and women on fabrics, nursing, and very useful approaches to some of the common challenges we will have will be included.  Example:
*A SPIDER'S WEB is traditionally a natural clotting agent. If a big enough web is applied to a cut on a human body, it will stem the flow of blood and help the wound to heal quickly.

There are considerable herbal medicines that have been used for thousands of years.  The basic disclaimer in PNSG will be what I consider the bandaid and non-prescription medicine MC critieria.

One does not have to consult a physician to put on a bandaid. One does not have to do so to apply basic first aid. One does not have to refrain from using over the counter medicine if the precautions are read and followed.

Much of what is in PNSG is palliative treatment. If someone is gravely ill and you cannot treat them, you can do whatever is necessary to keep them comfortable as would generally accepted medicine.

Eating a lemon cough drop with honey for a cough is an example

Improving sanitation,  dressing wounds, storing vital medicines and supplies, will help to survive a pandemic.

.gov does not have enough supplies to treat or vaccinate 300,000,000 people. The Red Cross and other help organizations will be doing what they can as well as distributing materials to help the infected.

The clock is ticking. Getting data out there ASAP is the focus.

Medclinician - thanks Susan

PrepGirl wrote: Medclinican you said the clock is ticking.  Is there any info that the government is not telling about that makes you feel we are in any  imident danger soon?  Or you and the government just want to get the ball rolling on teaching and educated the public. Off the record do you feel there is a threat of bird flu this season?   just curious Prep Girl

I will be meeting in a few days with a top government planner and some other health professionals. I have asked specifically for possible new information I can put up. From the first recent conversations there seems to be more urgency, and more push in preparing. This may indicate there is more knowledge behind the scenes of recent developments which are driving this . One specific comment which was ambiguous but interesting as well  was "with all that is happening right now, would not it be kind of Murphy's law for us to break out with the  full blown Pandemic this winter.

Without even any special knowledge, you might notice other users are posting outbreaks of strains in other countries as well a other positive tests in the U.S.

I think the new administration (IMHO) is going to be a lot more aggressive in addressing health issues, and will use "talk to the people" type scenarios and a great deal more transparency in giving people a more realistic picture of what will happen when the Pandemic comes.

As I often repeat, I am a humble R.N. who does medical research and writes. I am no one special nor I wish to be. I would like to simplify the scientifc jargon and political doublespeak into plain talking in terms everyone from 12 up can understand. I speak to people who work in the infrastructure and with them. What I am told, are not secrets, but day by day, things are being announced and released which were not opening discussed before. Yesterday's secrets are becoming todays shared information wth the public. Not all - but more - and that is a good thing.

After several meetings I should have more things to post. I am trying not to repeat what has already been said a lot before. But if .gov is starting to move in a new direction, which they seem to be with indications of "no quarantines because quarantines have not been considered doable or practical and that is a statement by a plan writer for a state" I think that is significant and a big step away from the plane arrives from wherever with people choking up blood and then are whisked away to concentration camp like environments..

One difference I would stress,  is not to be a scientific publisher, or expert, but to mend some of the rifts between the public and the infrastructure. There have been serious misunderstandings, mistrust, and a plummeting approval rates in some areas. This needs a fix. Open government, honest government, realistic government, and government looking to many sources for answers and ideas is a big start to mending that rift.

If I can be part of that, that would be a big step before we and .gov, because I am a Vietnam vet, but civilian like many of you. We will  have to face the Pandemic together; in a spirit of renewed mutual cooperation and trust. I would emphasize that word. Trust.

It is time for change and that means doing things differently. And one great part of this, which I think the coming administration will endeavor to do, is to make you all part of that change. It will be a change that perhaps for the first time in many years, happens after the election and actually fulfills the promises made before the election.

Not the same old, same old. As I was saying else where we need global solutions for global problems, we need new approaches and a much more transparent infrastructure in facing the challenge of the coming Pandemics together. It does sound a little red, white, and blue - but we need to get back to our roots and especially how we are going to prepare for what is coming - together

Medclinician

abcdefg...finally!! thanks for your insight and especially the time you used to set the record straight. RC.. btw I just read your latest entry on your home blog Med....man you  really have a need to be thought of as the great OZ...maybe in your world...not mine..RC

[QUOTE=Albert]

I'm just barely getting caught up on this thread.  There are some really long posts in it.  Now Debbie, why would you think that you could be kicked off for seeking the truth?   Not even close.  Confronting people and issues to find the truth is something that I do myself.  

Edited by Albert -----

 

Med-- You can also post your manual for download here anytime. 

 

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Thanks Albert. You know I could write a novel answering all these accusations and statements and I hardly have the time to finish the book.  For you to know, I am an R.N. in California and West Virginia - ICU-ER- and on call disaster. We do medical research - it is really quite a simple task for anyone to read the flyleaf of  the book about me to know my bio. It was not written by me, and Bluebird used to watch me head out in my lab coat or scrubs to ER, CCU, even stopped at accidents and helped keep people alive.  She advised me to just tell you all I am an RN, we do what we do, and leave it at that. Time and what I do in the next six months will answer the other questions for those who even care to know.  Our prayers are with you all and little Skye or 19 month old son waves.

The other day I was deeply moved, when Bluebird was coughing, she has something and little Skye went over and took her hand and looked into her eyes and said "Mommy, are you all right?"

I felt a huge wave of emotion, almost teared up, and I thought - now that is my son. He will grow up to love and care for many people- just as his father has done for most of his life. And he is that way because he has watched both Bluebird and I, doing it.

Behind every great man (and I will never be great) is a greater woman  I thank God for my wife - and behind them are one or more children who will carry one our hopes, dreams, beliefs, and are the future. A true and sincere heart will be able without much effort to know another one - and that is all that needs to be said.

Help us to help you prepare, stay informed, and it is better to light one candle, than to curse the darkness.

Our prayers are with you all.

Medclinician

Albert wrote: Med, I edited my post, so I had to go back and edit your quote.  I apologize...   Also-- I haven't fully researched how the guide is going to be ordered.  I'm hesitant on allowing people to provide their emails to government sponsored projects.  Having a list of people (who are well-prepared) given to the government might not be a good future move. Nor do I want email blasts of potential mis-information going out, should a panflu ever hit.   Anyway, the bottom line is that I don't like people giving out their emails or any personal information.   Perhaps the download is the best way to go.

Agreed. I think that personal information, names, email addresses and such all should be given due diligence in terms of privacy.  The book will be copyrighted and as such there will be a qualified license given to to the site for x hours to download. It will not be public domain.  And of course, before download, a copy will be sent to you for review as to whether you wish to have it available. The other sites which will provide download will not be completely free and users will have to provide basic information just as on EBay or any location providing ebooks or in the case of the paperback, formal ordering information.

There is no doubt some concern how informative the book might be in terms of the specifics on the extent and instances of Avian outbreaks and infections.

This is primarily a Survivor Handbook, not a .gov tell all on who said what about what and how accurate those statements were. The idea is to survive, not to expose blatant misinformation.  Such a book would never make it to the bookstores.

One item that should be made EXTREMELY clear is the topic name here.. thread and its definition. The author has sometimes been chastised in terms of how things are worded and even a single word can make a considerable difference.

In this case the word WITH as to opposed to FOR is extremely important.

There is not meant to be any inference that either I, nor my lab or whatever is directly contracted to provide services to the government. That does not mean this is excluded- that we do not- it merely means  it is not implied. Example would be a grant where we may perform research or work in developing technology. However, WITH indicates we are trying to add to resources, abilities, and contacts and make them available to the .gov to coordinate a use of those resources to help better implement plans already in place or that are being developed.

This is opposed to a Maverick single person who simply is not affiliated, registered, with the government. This is opposed to a single person who declared themselves a researcher, is not registered with Era Commons, who is not a legal organization that exists as an entity independently. This is not the case.

This is opposed to a single person with some interesting ideas about healthcare. This is someone who works with and is integrated in some ways to existing health providers or etc.

As indicated we are medical researchers (plural). We do not work as a salaried employee for an organization - we are an organization. If we perform research under specific parameters, we are not stating opinions, we are stating research.

We are not laymen. We are health professionals and I am sure there are many here who are such, but do not own companies or organizations, more than very limited corporations. To be a primary investigator on a project is just that. Nothing more, nothing less.  Some do own companies.

Now as far as ordering anything, my offer, as the head of an organization, as others here are as well, is to allow a free download of the ebook text for 48 hours so that people who cannot afford to buy it, can have an exclusive for private use only copy, not to be duplicated, which the majority of content of  a copyrighted book. This is not intended to be public domain. There will be features of the book which will not be in the downloadable free personal use copy.

Just being clear. So we work with, but not for.  There is no need to datamine personal information. If you want to buy the paperback book, then it probably can be ordered on Amazon or at a bookstore.

The freebie download thing is for people who either can't afford to buy it, or would like to take advantage of an offer to have a copy for personal use to help to survive the Pandemics.

Medclinician is not a government employee. He cannot speak for the government, he cannot give out any information that is not obtainable with reasonable diligence by any person with a decent search engine except in terms of news which may be gathered by interviews or one to one conferences. These interviews or data may be published by and are owned by the foundation, but may be posted on sites. 

In one sense of the word MC is plural. More than one person is involved in writing, editing, and gathering data for the Survival Guide. That's the way it is.

Medclinician

now moving right along

I have no problem with anyone who posts their opinion, no matter how dire, as long as they say it is their opinion, it maybe a educated and informed opinion, but fact is dead cetainty. Also, I hate to see this site politicized, everyone has for the most part gotten along so well. Which is what we should be doing as a country. This is a great and reputable site. I want to see it stay that way.

Mary08 wrote: hi Med...best of luck...did you reg and get an isbn #?

should have the ISBN for the paperback soon.  We are pushing hard for December 1st now as  release and also net download date. We hope that world events and other events, especially the flu season does not interfere with basic power grid function, medical and government services, and emergency room traffic before we can get it out.

Medclinician