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    Posted: October 22 2008 at 8:53am
Police prepare for unrest
By Alexander Bolton
Posted: 10/21/08 07:58 PM [ET]

Police departments in cities across the country are beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing for possible civil unrest and riots after the historic presidential contest.

Public safety officials said in interviews with The Hill that the election, which will end with either the nation’s first black president or its first female vice president, demanded a stronger police presence.

Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large black populations. Others based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban areas (following professional sports events) and also on Internet rumors.


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Thanks Coyote!  I've been seeing these reports for a couple of weeks now.  What a sad commentary about our society to think we'd act so uncivil.  Of course there are always people who are looking for a reason...
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This was found on the internet as an email.

 posted by Coyote.
(I'll remove all this if you like)  

Please note the use of the word, extremists...
Extremists ...fits, they are a whole other brand of people.


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...world peace
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Promising peace. We become complacent under his watch?  We don't take enough care to watch our backs, thus allowing our enemies a chance to strike.  While we are dreaming of world peace?
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A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine that
America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.

Pause a moment, reflect back.
These events are actual events from history..
They really happened!!!
Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male extremist.

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male extremists.

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim male extremists.

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male extremists.

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim male extremists.

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim male extremists.

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens ,
and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by
Muslim male extremists.

8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim male extremists.

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim male extremists.

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim male extremists.

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to
take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two,
one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by Muslim male extremists.

12. Since 2002 the United States has fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim male extremists.

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by-- you guessed it-- Muslim male extremists.

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?
So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us,
airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people... Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women,
little kids, airline pilots with proper identification,
secret agents who are members of the President's security detail,
85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss,
but leave Muslim Males alone lest they be guilty of profiling.



According to The Book of The Revelations:

The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent,
who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....
the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace,
and when he is in power,
he will destroy everything.

And Now: For the award winning Act of Stupidity Of all times the People of America want to elect,
to the most Powerful position on the face of the Planet --
The Presidency of the United states of America ...
A Male of Muslim descent who is the most extremely liberal Senator in Congress
(in other words an extremest) and in his 40s.

Have the American People completely lost their Minds,
or just their Power of Reason ???

I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate Obama...

As the writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it,

'Stupid Is As Stupid Does'

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1. I'm back!
2. Iraq SUCKS, but isn't near as bad as it was the first time I was there.
3. They talked about this (Rioting over the election) a little bit officially, but IMHO the African Americans would be fools to run riot nowadays. Although preparation is still a "Fringe" deal, loads of people have bought firearms "Just in case." The overwhelming number of privately owned firearms are in the hands of middle class white people (Upwards of 80%) thus if pushed to violence, the African AMericans would get the extreme short end of that stick.
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I guess thats why I saw on CNN that people are doing absent t voting.  Cause they are expecting trouble.  I wasn't sure what trouble they  ment but I guess now I know.
They said this is going to be one of the biggest turn outs.  Lines will be long. 
Also they had on CNN today showing both parties people stealling the signs off of lawns.
Sometimes 7 times.  They got a 500 dollar reward to identify the thiefs.
What is this world coming to.
 
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Welcome back Turbo.............
Glad to see your back.
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Turbo do you really for see any trouble this Nov election?
 
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I'm in northeast Ohio and there has been a big problem with theft of the Republican signs this week. We are in the country if that matters any.
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A BIG welcome home Turbo! 
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To All,just in case any one on this board is not aware of it,the police across the nation have been preparing for a massive civil unrest of some kind. They have been training for this unrest for months and they are going to kill people and other people will just disappear forever. I have not heard of it being connected to the election,but I have not heard what it is connected to. The Feds are also heavily invovled with what ever is suppose to happen.Johnray1
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Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Sep 30, 2008 16:16:12 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they're training for the same mission- with a twist- at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

"Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future," said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. "Now, the plan is to assign a force every year."

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they'll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don't look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the "jaws of life" to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT's soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose.

"It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it."

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

"I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered," said Cloutier, describing the experience as "your worst muscle cramp ever -times 10 throughout your whole body."

"I'm not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds."

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf").

"I can't think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. "We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you're going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones."

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

"If we go in, we're going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it's kind of a different role," said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they'll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That's because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.
Other branches included

The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they'll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

"It is a concern, and we're trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability," he said.

"I don’t know what America's overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called," Cloutier said. "It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home."

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Correction:

A non-lethal crowd control package fielded to 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, described in the original version of this story, is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the U.S., as previously stated.
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Hey Johnray1-
 
While I agree with you that departments have been gearing up for alot of things, including riots, please don't make it sound like they have been given freewill to shoot whatever walks.  It doesn't work that way.  I think you are referring to "Martial Law" in which case you are talking about the National Guard, not police.  When things go bad, and they will, the police are going to be there to protect you, not make you disappear. 
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Originally posted by ParanoidMom ParanoidMom wrote:

Hey Johnray1-
 
While I agree with you that departments have been gearing up for alot of things, including riots, please don't make it sound like they have been given freewill to shoot whatever walks.  It doesn't work that way.  I think you are referring to "Martial Law" in which case you are talking about the National Guard, not police.  When things go bad, and they will, the police are going to be there to protect you, not make you disappear. 
 
I agree PM. Let's not fly off the handle. There are no legions of troops waiting to attack and repress their neighbors. I have many, many friends and family in Law Enforcement and the military and I know they would not participate in something like this. Don't forget that these cops and soldiers put their lives on the line for us everyday and they deserve our support...not our suspicion.
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Welcome back Turbo! We missed you. civil unrest has become the new HS buzz. troops are being deployed to various cities across the US in anticipation of just that on election day, without Governor approvals. ACLU has filed a lawsuit for transparency. Holding areas (camps) discussed earlier on this site have already been established. Bush has lined all the legislative ducks in a row, abolished Possee Comitatus (there goes the prohibitions on military policing civilians)and some here think there's nothing to worry about? I've got a bridge I'll sell you. D
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Ahhh, civil unrest, just what we need while a potential pandemic strain is silently lurking in the shadows...
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Let's not forget about the perfect timing of a terrorist strike on this country norein.  Oh, the tangled webs we we've...
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ParanoidMom,not the police where I live.Johnray1
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Hey Johnray, I've been a police officer for going on seven years now and have never been told, nor would I ever be told that I've got free reign to shoot anyone for any reason unless they're a direct, lethal or great bodily harm threat to myself or the public. No matter where you live this just isn't the case, no matter what you want to say.
 
If that were the case, exactly how long do you think the police officers would keep some crap like that under their hats? I'd give it a grand total of ten minutes and it'd be on every news channel for 24/7 coverage.
 
Nobody wants to shoot people, much less "Make them disappear" except maybe psychopaths, and the police departments do an extremely good job at weeding the wackos that apply out of the mix.
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Can't you see it now?  Shoot whoever, no paperwork, running the streets Rambo style because you are finally fed up with those horrible people out on the streets?  Sounds like a bad movie. 

What you are describing johnray1 is more like mob hits.  And I agree they do happen.  I just don't see it happening from the police.  Maybe I'm living in a "white bread world."
 
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Turboguy and Paranoid mom,My son is a police officer and he is told the same things that you said that your unit is told every day.So I am not anti-police.But I have lived in this little town where I live for 57 years now and in this little county for 57 years now.I am not a criminal and I do not have a police record of any kind. But I remember what it was like when I grew up here,out in the country and in the head of a hollow and for years,the police here were nothing but thugs with badges and guns and that is how they acted,they stole from people and set people up on regular and freqent basis.They killed who they wanted to and then they would investgate their our crime and some one was generally charged,but it was very seldom the person that was guilty.---Now I know that police traing has come a long ways since then.At that time,the county deputies did not receive any form training on the law or how to enforce it,now they all have to go through the State Police Academy.That helped alot. But you talk about how things get on TV when the police do something wrong and I know that some times the attention is just and sometimes it is not.----Now what scares me is what happens when the electicity goes off and there is no TV ,well the police revert back to their previous behavior,because no one will know.Johnray1
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Turboguy and Parannoid Mom,I left some stuff out that I think that you should also know that happened where I grew up.You see vidieos occassionally on TV of COPS beating hand cuffed people. I have seen this so many times for real,that I tend to always believe that the cops are wrong.From the time that I started to grade school,it was not unusual to see deputies and state police hand cuff some one in the hollow where I lived and then after they were hand cuffed,they would pistol wipe them until they were nearly dead. This happened all over the county and it was routine.Then they would take tha hand cuffs off and drive off. So if any of you think that this kind of stuff is just Hollywood hyp,you are wrong,it is real.The hand held vidieo camera is the best thing that ever happend to provide decent justice for the American people.--These things that I am telling you,I saw with my own eyes,it is not hear say.So if  any of you want to trust the police to the point of putting your life in their hands,you are wrong.And to answer your other guestion,no,I was not happy when my son became a cop.-----Just a few weeks ago,the cops killed a suspect by breaking his neck,just putting handcuffs on him and he was not resisting.No cop was ever charged or fired. Johnray 
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So what was the guys tox report?  Not resisting?  Not likely.  Just like Rodney King didn't resist right?  He was just a poor, innocent man getting picked on by the big, bad police.  I'm in a pretty small town as well.  And while I'm surrounded by good ol' boys, there isn't any way something like that could be covered up.  I guess we're just in very different areas of the same country.
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ParanoidMom,I hope that your faith in the police is justified where you live. Here is our county,we all know that the last people that you trust are the police. There is a saying that I did not make up that states who any one should not trust,and that is police,prostitues,preachers, and politicians.This is true,anywhere. Johnray1
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ParanoidMom,I saw the vidieo of this killing that was taken by the victums sister.There were two policemen hand cuffing the victum on the back of their car,suddenly,there were 5 or6 cops came rushing in from the same angle that the videio was being taken from. This rush of policeman took down the suspect and the two cops that were hand cuffing him and the 5 or 6 cops that came rushing in.They were all on the ground. When they started getting up,everyone got up on their own except the suspect,because he was dead.The videio was good enough that I saw the technique that was used to kill the suspect.It is a rare technique and it is only taught to people in Special Ops,because it is so deadly.It is deadly enough that it killed this man and no one knew why.I knew why. Just because this suspect was black,does not make it right. Even if he was resisting arrect,the penelty for that is not death and I saw no resisting arrest. I saw a black man murdered by some who knew what they were doing.Johnray1   
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postamble(); If such a video exists, and not a YouTube version, it's your duty to follow through.  Perhaps your area is the way it is because people have their heads in the sand if they see something like this. 
People don't seem to understand everything they're seeing sometimes.  You say this guy is handcuffed, compliant?, with two officers performing the job.  Now three other officers rush in.  Around here if there are five officers on any scene it's because they guy is wanted for a violent crime.  Does someone yell knife or gun?  Or is this a silent video? Now you have all these guys piled on the suspect and YOU can SEE which officer performs a technique able to kill him instantly?  Oh please.  If that were true I'd have to ask how you sleep at night with that kind of knowledge.
 
I'm not saying it's not possible to have this scenerio to be exactly as you are believing it to be.  There have been instances of acts just like you have described.  I would say more like 60 years ago in the hills of Tennesee, but they happened.
 
To explain how different things are here, all five officers would be put on Administrative Leave if a suspect died in their custody.  Then a panel of supervisors would come in from a different department and decide if what happened was legitimate.  The paperwork, the court documents, the whole thing would be a nightmare for those five officers until the issue was solved. 
 
Of course, I'm a person that has faith in the police, at least you know where you stand with prostitutes, most preachers I know are struggling Christians like the rest of us, and polititians...I have the faith they will doing everything they can for themselves all the while they are hugging you, patting you on the back, and feeling for the soft spot to put the knife.
 
 
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ParanoidMom,I am not going to argue with you to try to get to believe something that you all ready do not believe,just remeber what I have told you and remeber that it can happen again,anywhere.Turboguy-Where are your comments on this,you came out really strong and then just stopped? By the way,I have heard that there is a Federal investigation into police violence and police brutally in this general area.Eventally,the cops assigned to take suspects or convictived criminals to the regional jail have been stopping along the way to beat these peolpe and do some extreme verbal abuse.Most of us will probably never find out what the results of the investigation is.The Feds came in a couple of years ago and did months of undercover work before they swarmed the town.When it ended,they had found out that most of the attorneys and most of the people who work in the county court house were using cocaine.But they allowed these people to plea bargain down to a nothing charge and they all promised that they would not do it again and it is was over.---This is just one more example of the law that I have seen.----You talked in your email about finding the camera of the killing,I have no idea where that camera is and you can bet that it and the film no longer exist.I wish you well ParanoidMon,because you have a lot to learn,that I hope that you never have to learn.--Turboguy,I hope that you are as honest a Cop as it sounds like you are,because I have nothing but respect for a honest COP,they are just hard to find.Johnray1 
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I'm married to one Johnray1.  He's been at it for 18 years and was an MP in the Marine Corps before that.  I know what those guys have to put up with and how the public usually doesn't have a clue as to what is going on.  That's why I have a hard time believing that all the bad guys in your area are the good ones and the police are all corrupt.  Just a fact I've lived with for a better part of my life. 
 
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ParanoidMom,I ask that you and Turgoguy and your husband to not miss understand me.As I told you,my son is also a COP. What I am trying to get you and everyone else to understand is that the police,who do not have a very watchful over site,get out of control.It is the job of the police to capture and bring in people who are suspected of a crime. IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO DISPENSE WHAT THEY FEEL IS JUSTICE ON THE STRTEET OR BESIDE THE ROAD SOME WHERE. I know that they deal with the sum bags of the society most of the time,but every one that is accused,is not guilty.---My son asked one time, when I was pulled over for speeding,why I always said yes sir and no sir to the police that had pulled me over,I told him then, when he was a young teenager that the police probably had the hardest job that there is and that they did not need any more bull**** from me. I think that at that point in his life that he was ashamed of me treating the police with respect.Now I think he knows what I meant.--But the job of the police is to arrest suspected guilty people and then turn them over to the justice system,without any extra lumps and bumps.They have no more right to take punishment of any suspect into their hands than any of the rest of us do.That is what I am trying to get across to you and I have seen them take the punishment of suspects into their own hands to many times.Johnray1
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ParanoidMOM,as far your statement that maybe I should move.Well,I do not think that I should move,I think that the sum bags and the bad police should move.I will give you one more examply of justice here.Just one or two days after my son joined the police department,a deputy was killed insde the court house,it was all caught on a securtiy camera,both auto and vedio and it more than bad,it was horrible.The criminal had the deputy over whelmed and he did not have to kill him in order to get away,but the criminal killed him anyway.There was a county wide man hunt for about one week with approximately 800 Federal agents from outside this area joining the hunt.Well,they caught him after about one week and he was sent to the regional jail to a wait trial. This is where the out of control police came in. I told every one that he would live 24 hours in jail because they would kill him and I cautioned my son to have nothing to do with the killing.Well,I was wrong again,this killer was found hanging in a janitors close about 12 hours after he got to jail.Now this guy should have went up for life and I agree with that,instead,he was hanged in a room that he had no access to,within 12 hours after he got to jail. Johnray1
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Johnray1, I'm sorry you have to live in an area where these things happen.  I have no idea what really happened there in the case you stated above.  I would think the cops would've been smart enough to hang the guy in his jail cell.  Especially someone who had become such a high profile individual.  It doesn't make that much sense to me, but I'm not living in that kind of an area.

I, too, have a son who wants to join the force.  I'm not thrilled about it, and have even gone to the point of trying to talk him out of it.  I have watched really bad guys walking the streets because the California system thinks they can be rehabilitated.  You talk about a guy that shoots an officer, evades the police for a week and is found dead.  Everything was caught on tape?  I'm not saying if the police involved in this whole thing hung the guy in a closet it's a good thing.  However, I don't feel any remorse either.  Here we would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars just to have the same guy take up space in our prison system.  Your "out of control cops" shouldn't be stepping over the line to be judge and jury.  You have given the impression this happens on a daily basis though.  That's where I have a very hard time believing it's that bad. 
 
Are there any organizations in your area that are preparing for civil unrest?  There were things like camps and whatnot mentioned here.  It sounds like your area would be perfect for such a thing.
 
For these areas that were mentioned before, does anyone know if they are usually outside large cities?  Of are we talking out in the desert kind of thing where it's more of a "one-way ticket" kind of thing?
 
I've been wondering about the whole thing.  After the Rodney King thing, there were big cities that lost control, and fast.  Even some smaller towns got out of control in a hurry.  Obviously this was a racially motivated incident.  However, our news media could turn an Obama loss into a disaster along much broader lines.  I would love to believe that people in this country wouldn't act that way, however I think that would be giving some people more credit than they deserve.
 
With lines being drawn from people standing so strongly on opposite sides of an issue I can see where agencys across the nation would be on edge.  I think it would be a good time for all of us to try out our preps for about a week.  Just lay low.For all of those who have already voted, it would be a great movie night.  Make popcorn and just stay home where it's safe.  For the rest of us, if you're in an area that seems to be especially heated, vote very early in the day.  As the votong progresses things may start getting a bit dicey. 
 
Have any of you thought about how horrible it would be if certain people started rumors just get people riled up?  What a fun show that would be for terrorists.  Then it would be their turn for a movie night watching our news and celebrating.  I sure hope there are enough level-headed people who would just shake their heads and walk away.
 
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Okay...Too weird.  I just found this while I was checking the news.
 
 

LAPD chief warns of terror threat before election

Wednesday, October 22, 2008

(10-22) 19:36 PDT Los Angeles, CA (AP) --

Police Chief William Bratton has a warning for Americans as the presidential election nears: Watch out for Osama bin Laden.

Bratton and R.P. Eddy, former director of counterterrorism at the National Security Council, co-wrote an opinion piece in Wednesday's New York Daily News in which they predict the al-Qaida leader is either planning an attack on the U.S. or perhaps a less violent tactic to influence who wins the White House.

Either strategy, Bratton and Eddy wrote, would likely be aimed at helping John McCain because the Republican candidate "is more likely to engender Muslim anger and resentment than would his opponent" Barack Obama.

"Bin Laden probably realizes it could become markedly more difficult to paint the United States as the 'Great Satan' with a new president who is admired internationally," Bratton and Eddy wrote.

They predicted that any terrorist attack would likely include truck or car bombs in "high-value financial sites."

"The remaining 14 days before the elections should be seen as a time of high threat, and state and local police should be on high alert," they wrote.

Bratton and Eddy noted bin Laden's previous attempts "to make his opinion count" before an election. Four days before the 2004 presidential election, Bin Laden released a videotape in which he addressed Americans and criticized President Bush's response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Bratton and Eddy asserted that bin Laden seemed to support Kerry in the tape, causing more votes to go Bush's way.

The article also cited the al-Qaida train bombings in 2004 that killed 191 people in Madrid, Spain, just days before that country's national elections. Bratton and Eddy wrote that the attack swung the election away from Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, who was an ally in the Iraq war.

"This is a critical election for al-Qaida," Bratton and Eddy wrote. "The U.S.-led invasions of two Muslim countries during the Bush years and scandals such as Abu Ghraib have been a boon for bin Laden's demagoguery. He and other Islamists continually and dishonestly cite these wars as evidence of a U.S. war on Islam. That has helped create a steady stream of suicide bombers eager to destroy U.S. targets on their way to paradise."

Bratton has directed his department to prepare for another bin Laden scheme in the next week or two. Deputy Chief Michael Downing, head of the Police Department's anti-terrorism bureau, told the Los Angeles Times that surveillance teams have been assembled in Los Angeles' downtown financial district in case an attack is planned. Officers have also directed private security firms and area commanders to watch for suspicious activity, Downing said.

"We do not want them to be paranoid or anxious, but to orient our troops to potential threats," he said.

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ParanoinMom,first let me say that the reason the police can do these things and get by with them,is because their buddies investigate the crime.Also,I have no since of loss for this thug(cop killer) either but it should have been handled by the courts.----About the so called prisons that are suppose to scattered around the states,I have heard these stories also and I would like to not believe them and I do not believe most of them.But there is some proof about 2 miles from where live.That is the county school bus parking area. They have it surrounded with an 8' or 10' fence,which is normal.But the problem starts when you look at the top of the fence where the little pieces of steel on top have 3 strands of bobwire on it.The only problem is that the wire pieces on  top should point outward in order to keep people out of the enclose area,instead these pieces with bobwire point inward as if they were put there to keep people in.At first I thought that this was probably a mistake by the builder but I kept hearing about the detainment areas(prisons) that were suppose be in many places,so I drove to many of the surrounding counties and looked at their school bus parks,they all had their tops pointed inward to keep people in.All that anyone has to do now is strech a piece of razor wire around the top and around the bottom and you have an instant fairly good prison. So now I have to believe my own eyes and I have to believe that maybe some of the other stories are true also. Streching the razor wire around the top would take a short time.Also,their is no cover inside the area to shelter people from the whehther. Why don't you go look at the school bus parks in you area and see if the same thing is true? If it is,let me know.------One more thing that I would like for cops to know is that me any every one else knows is that they deal primarly with the scum bags in their area and after a while,they start thinking that every one is  a scum bag and they treat every one like that.What I would like for the police to know is that every one is not a scum bag and everyone should not be treated like a scum bag.----Please do go look at the school bus parks in your area and see which way the bent pteces on top are pointing.Are they pointing outward to keep people out or are they pointing inward to keep people in.Also look at any large area that is fenced with a tall fence and see which way there tops are pointing.I look forward to hearing about what you see. Thank You ,Johnray1   
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Concerning the possiblity of blacks rioting after the election. Based on past incidents, the rioting occurs within the black communities, where as  you have blacks killing other blacks and the burning and looting of local shops. In other words they destroy the communities they are living in.
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I'm not from calif, so i have to ask the calif residents, was Whats rebuilt after the riots?
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I'm not from calif, so i have to ask the calif residents, was Whats rebuilt after the riots?
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Watts...

Aftermath

Financial damages were not the only consequence of the abrupt widespread violence. The streets of the Los Angeles neighborhood stood in flames as the burnings and shootings continued, quickly crowding the local hospitals with about 950 wounded patients who required immediate attention from nurses and doctors.[3] Furthermore, nearly 4,000 people were arrested sporadically or in groups because of their alleged participation in the riot. Many were taken into custody on two separate occasions as part of government agency studies. The first occasion in the Riots Participation Study targeted juveniles and the second in the Watts Riot Arrest study targeted people with past police and court records.[2]

In these six days, 34 people died, 1,032 were injured, and 3,952 were arrested.[4] Of the 1,032 injured in Watts, there were 90 Los Angeles police officers, 36 firemen, 10 National Guardsmen, and 23 people from government agencies. 977 establishments were damaged, burned, looted, and destroyed, which included businesses, private buildings, and public buildings.[5]

Businesses & Private Buildings Public Buildings Total
Damaged/burned: 257 Damaged/burned: 14
Looted: 192 Destroyed: 1
Both damaged/burned & looted: 288

Destroyed: 267
Total: 977

Government intervention

Eventually, the California National Guard was called to active duty to assist in controlling the rioting. On Friday night, a battalion of the 160th Infantry and the 1st Reconnaissance Squadron of the 18th Armored Cavalry were sent into the riot area (about 2,000 men). Two days later, the remainder of the 40th Armored Division was sent into the riot zone. A day after that, units from northern California arrived (a total of around 15,000 troops). These National Guardsmen put a cordon around a vast region of South Central Los Angeles, and for all intents and purposes the rioting was over by Sunday.

Due to the seriousness of the riots, martial law had been declared.[citation needed] The initial commander of National Guard troops was Colonel Bud Taylor, then a motorcycle patrolman with the Los Angeles Police Department, who in effect became superior to Chief of Police Parker. National Guard units from Northern California were also called in , including Major General Clarence H. Pease, former commanding general of the National Guard's 49th Infantry Division.


Watts: then and now

Since this area was known to be under much racial and social tension, debates have surfaced over what really happened in Watts. Reactions and reasoning about the Watts incident greatly vary because those affected by and participated in the chaos that followed the original arrest were from a diverse crowd. The government tried to help by releasing The McCone Report, claiming that it was a detailed study of the riot, but it turned out to be a short summary with just 15 pages of the report devoted to actually describing the whole event.

More opinions and explanations then appeared as other sources attempted to explain the causes as well. Public opinion polls have showed that around the same percentage of people believed that the riots were linked to Communist groups as those that blame social problems like unemployment and prejudice as the cause. Those opinions concerning racism and discrimination emerged only three years after hearings conducted by a committee of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights took place in Los Angeles to assess the condition of relations between the police force and minorities.

The purpose of these hearings was also to make a ruling on the discrimination case against the police for their mistreatment of Black Muslims.[6] These different arguments and opinions still continue to promote these debates over the underlying cause of Watts Riots.[2] Martin Luther King Jr. spoke two days after the riots happened in Watts.

A California gubernatorial commission investigated the riots, identifying the causes as high unemployment, poor schools, and other inferior living conditions. Subsequently, the government made little effort to address the problems or repair damages. The riots were also a response to Proposition 14, a constitutional amendment sponsored by the California Real Estate Association that had in effect repealed the Rumford Fair Housing Act.[7] Today, Watts still faces problems of poverty, crime, and poor education, but racial issues and the violence it has caused have decreased considerably since the outbreak of the riots.

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Originally posted by BoJingles2 BoJingles2 wrote:

Concerning the possiblity of blacks rioting after the election. Based on past incidents, the rioting occurs within the black communities, where as  you have blacks killing other blacks and the burning and looting of local shops. In other words they destroy the communities they are living in.
 
So if you want to avoid riots you go where there are no black people? Ridiculous!! Riots happen where people are poor and have no voice in the things that effect their lives. Senseless violence has no racial boundaries. Another example of how the people who have everything keep us divided and suspicious of each other so we won't hold them accountable.
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Im just going by historical precedence. If you want to wear those rose colored glasses you go right ahead, you will see what you want to see and deny the truths.
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Im just going by historical precedence. If you want to wear those rose colored glasses you go right ahead, you will see what you want to see and deny the truths.
Here is a list of riots....the vast majority of these occurred in places where there were few, if any black people. I'm not wearing rose colored glasses but you may be wearing blinders.
 
 

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