If this video is accurate, then the seasonal flu shot is a waste for most of us.

The question is, if the flu vaccine is mostly ineffective then why is the federal government so hell bent on injecting us with the flu vaccine in the first place. If the federal government is so damn concerned about our health, then why is Aspartame, MSG, HFCS, Fluoride, Sodium Benzoate, and the laundry list of blue, yellow and red dyes allowed in our food and drinks? Not to mention the menace of Monsanto! Why do so many Americans have high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, and high cholesterol? I would argue the real pandemic is people dropping dead of cancer, heart attacks and strokes at an ever increasing rate in this country, but you don't see the WHO or CDC trying to curb the Americans consumption of the Eugenic Meal Deals down at the local McDonalds, or trying to stop the chemicalization of our food. Nope, just go to your doctor and get your insulin, BP medication, and Crestor, so you can continue to live your fat and happy American Dream. I think have a greater chance of dropping dead of a massive coronary, stroke, or cancer in the end than croaking from the flu, but that just my opinion. Now excuse me, I'm off to In-N-Out Burger!


"Studies show that flu vaccines are unsafe and ineffective. This presentation by the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute includes a visual depiction of flu vaccine production -- how the flu vaccine is made and what it contains."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/26/Flu-Vaccine-Exposed.aspx

Is there any similar data on the pneumovax?   That seems like a better bet to me since so much swineflu is complicated by strep pneumonia, or so I have read....
I cannot provide link to my source as it is another  flu blog.
Thanks

Med, clearly you have been around the block a few times, and I would respect your thought on the link below on possible dangers of vaccines. There are two polarizing sides to the vaccine debate, but the vast majority of us are suck in the middle trying to make a reasonable decision for the sake of our families. I realize it's a loaded question, and it will hopefully have to be a personal choice for each of us, but we are less than a week away from the swine flu vaccination, and any input would be appreciated.  


What is not on insert labels?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15452

Whether influenza vaccination specifically might increase the risk for recurrence of GBS is not known; therefore, avoiding vaccinating persons who are not at high risk for severe influenza complications and who are known to have developed GBS within 6 weeks after a previous influenza vaccination is prudent.

 

 

Although data are limited, for the majority of persons who have a history of GBS and who are at high risk for severe complications from influenza, the established benefits of influenza vaccination justify yearly vaccination.

 

Persons with chronic disorders of the cardiovascular system

should not get live attenuated influenza vaccine.

 

Persons with asthma, reactive airways disease or other chronic disorders of the pulmonary or cardiovascular systems and persons with other underlying medical conditions, including metabolic diseases such as diabetes, renal dysfunction, and hemoglobinopathies should not receive LAIV. 

 

 

Women should avoid becoming pregnant for 4 weeks following vaccination.

 

 

LAIV should not be administered to children younger than 5 years of age with recurrent wheezing.

hi abc...   I think if I had an underlying condition I would consider a vaccination.  Many in my family get the season flu vaccine.  It is important for people to know the CDC guidelines for who should not have certain vaccine.  If they are not to take the LIAV then there are others available... FluMom can weigh in on this for us as I think she said her son could not take the LIAV form.

 

Thank you Mary for the information about whats not listed on the labels in the vaccines.

Welcome ChriSSSS, you can have aches/pain with any flu including H1N1. Sever pain is something to pay attention to if you have trouble breathing tell your parents right away. Sometimes Mom's don't believe their kids but if you can't breath easy you need to get it across that you are in trouble.

Do you have a fever over 101 degrees? cough? headache? sore throat? vomiting? diarrhea? If you have one or more of these symptoms you most likely have H1N1.

Keep your Mom informed even though she may not be sympathic she will listen.   Get well soon and keep us informed.

By the way I am just a Mom, not a doctor or nurse but my son just had H1N1 so I have a little experience.

Some kids have H1N1 and no fever but I would say you most likely have H1N1. My son had a 104 temp at one time with this H1N1. Drink lots of fluids like juice, gatorade, water, soda. No milk or milk products because it produces mucus which is not good.

So stay hydrated you should take only Tylenol or Mortin, DO NOT TAKE Asprin! Asprin can get you really really sick!

Take care of yourself and talk to your Mom and keep her informed. She loves you!

When you have time post to us as to how you are doing. May God Bless you.

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mrmouse wrote: Med, clearly you have been around the block a few times, and I would respect your thought on the link below on possible dangers of vaccines. There are two polarizing sides to the vaccine debate, but the vast majority of us are suck in the middle trying to make a reasonable decision for the sake of our families. I realize it's a loaded question, and it will hopefully have to be a personal choice for each of us, but we are less than a week away from the swine flu vaccination, and any input would be appreciated.

Mrmouse- you have put up some very good posts with some thought provoking videos and links. The following needs more verification - but it is probably fairly accurate-

The Contents of the H1N1 Vaccine...Are You Ready for This?

Posted September 11th, 2009 by celeste

aluminum hydroxide* aluminum phosphate* ammonium sulfate* amphotericin B
* animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney,
* chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg* calf (bovine) serum* betapropiolactone
* fetal bovine serum* formaldehyde* formalin* gelatin* glycerol
* human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
* hydrolized gelatin* mercury thimerosol (thimerosal, Merthiolate(r))
* monosodium glutamate (MSG)* neomycin* neomycin sulfate* phenol red indicator
* phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)* potassium diphosphate* potassium monophosphate
* polymyxin B* polysorbate 20* polysorbate 80
* porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein* residual MRC5 proteins* sorbitol
* tri(n)butylphosphate,
* VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and
* washed sheep red blood

Is there anyway to verify this ???

http://www.fourwinds10.co...

comment: I have been tracking the contents of the vaccine for about 30 days. I had a fairly general formula which was not as specific- but this is much more accurate.

A lot of this can be verified from several sources. The mercury thimerosol and also a few other contents can definitely be toxic. How great the toxicity and how many people react will be seen when the vaccine is given.

Vaccines have evolved like the food we eat. Where once it was simply a dead virus or weakened form- now we have Heinz 57 - with so many things - the chances for a problem increases.

The Vatican for instance highly objects to human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Some contents, and this took considerable research are at concentrations far more than used in other vaccines in the past.

We have hundreds of doctors- that will not take the vaccine- or do not wish to- petitions- protests- and what you have very succinctly quantified in your remarks. A quandary.

Also we have behind the scenes individuals assigned to the task of being sure the public is properly informed and indoctrinated and made to feel it is patriotic, no big deal, and in fact necessary to take this vaccine.

Problems- not enough testing- a clearly profit driven spin from the drug companies in making 2 billion doses - of a substance that may neither protect us from what may be over 100 strains of the current virus and is most likely to give some children Gullian Barre syndrome and some bad reactions.

To make the situation more ominous- state after state is passing laws to make it mandatory. I was told today that the vaccinations have begun with military and health people in at least several states. We have not received any formal announcement I could find on the reactions to these injections.

If it is mandatory- it is no longer a matter of personal choice. If you either get the shot or be fired- it definitely is not. The question is- how deeply does this invade our personal basic constitutional rights and freedom of choice.

If the Pandemic is not a real killer nor do they expect it to be- what is the rational for making it required. Money? Profits? Is this really a concern of the health industry that people don't get the flu or do they truly believe it will be effective? 

One thing is for certain. If things do not go well- there will be an effort to suppress information to the press and internet.

So as not to be too lengthy here- clearly we will know (the information will leak out) when they begin vaccinating. I have seen nothing on the effects on many Chinese who were vaccinated some time ago.

Wish I had the answers- I don't. I have given you the data -some- of the ingredients probably present.

Will the public flock to the vaccine sites and be vaccinated? That is certainly the hope of TPTB and the drug companies.  Like watching the election of a President- we will begin to hear reports. Expect the official and media to be sparkling and Pollyanna. We will know when many of us are forced to get it.

You may notice the ever growing comments of the administration in its efforts to "correct the misinformation on national issues being posted widely on the net." The net is the last vestige of free speech and in some areas... the truth.

Medclinician

Digging deeper...

The following includes some pretty lively commentary and need to be verified conclusions. This material is included as not reflection my own view on this and merely for readers to consider and either find credible or extreme:

Sherri Kane and Len Horowitz

9-30-9

Los Angeles--America's leading promoter of getting vaccinated for the H1N1 flu, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), has admitted knowing nil about how human immunity responds to vaccinations, according an interview published by Bloombert. (See: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&sid=a_VExSafuJY4).

Dr. Fauci's stunning admission came in response to questions raised by a study of 16,000 volunteers vaccinated against HIV with results alleged to be promising, but for reasons unknown. The unexpected outcome "tells us that we don't even know what the correlates of immunity are," Dr. Fauci said, referring to the measurable signs that a person has developed immunity to genetically-engineered surrogate viruses now used in the new flu vaccines.

"This is what honest intelligent vaccine critics have been saying all along," said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a Harvard-trained emerging diseases expert that has condemned vaccinations as "outlandishly barbaric and horrific, with risks far worse than using blood-letting leeches."

"Dr. Fauci's statement evidences the fraud and ignorance underlying vaccination programs in general," Dr. Horowitz said. "Fauci admits being clueless about the fundamentals of immunity operating bioenergetically or electro-genetically, not chemically, that vaccine proponents criminally neglect to prosper by poisoning people."

Dr. Horowitz recommends vitamins C and D, and covalently-bonded silver hydrosols that safely electrocute viruses, parasites, and pathogenic bacteria, instead of using intoxicating vaccines and drugs that produce horrible side effects. He also recommends healthy lifestyles beyond hand-washing and mask-wearing. He says that alkalizing diets with good pH8 hydration can protect people completely against the flu and most chronic diseases.

Government health "experts" leading "biopreparedness" campaigns, including Dr. Fauci, neglect these common sense, highly effective, low cost, no risk alternatives to deadly vaccinations. They exclusively promote flu vaccines "fast-tracked" for administration this fall; falsely claiming their safety and efficacy.

"There's no possible way these "fast-track trials," lasting only six weeks, can assure safety," Dr. Horowitz warns. "Most vaccine injuries occur months, not weeks, following injection."

In evidencing Dr. Fauci's fraud, Dr. Horowitz encourages everyone to discern author reliability. Fauci is the senior author of a recent article in the New England Journal of Medicine that neglected important historical facts concerning the genetics of this novel H1N1 virus. (See: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/361/3/225 ; NEJM Vol. 361;3:225-229, July 16, 2009)

Other authors in the same publication provided more thorough disclosures supporting Dr. Horowitz's claim that "laboratory sourced" outbreaks occurred in 1977 and probably by military experiment in 1976. (See: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMra0904322)

"This H1N1 flu virus was also "laboratory sourced," Dr Horowitz says. It is clearly a combination of Asian bird, Mexican pig, and human corpse virus from the 1918 Spanish flu that vaccine-makers dug up despite protests by scientists worldwide."

comment: I can't include the CIA stuff- too sensitive.

"Pro-vaccine propagandists, like Fauci, never openly discuss the risk of bioengineered "live" viruses for vaccines that might mutate further. The H1N1 vaccine's virus was designed to mutate easily for splicing together deadly genes. More recombination is assured as new mutants circulate through live-bodies worldwide," Dr. Horowitz said.

"This is a compelling reason to stop vaccinating people immediately," Dr. Horowitz explains. "People need to wake up and reject these vaccinations. It's insane to advance this H1N1 vaccine program knowing the likelihood of creating worse pandemics, unless your intention is depopulation."

Last week Dr. Horowitz sent the FBI an official AFFIDAVIT. (See:http://www.fluscam.com/Affidavit.html) Legal groups are using this to petition courts for injunctions against the FDA and state health officials that are certifying the new flu vaccines" safety. Toxicology science proves otherwise.

Dr. Horowitz's AFFIDAVIT provides several indicting disclosures regarding Dr. Fauci, including his close friendship with the infamous AIDS researcher Dr. Robert Gallo, credited for allegedly co-discovering HIV. Dr. Fauci is a co-patent holder on an ingredient used in the new vaccines for AIDS and H1N1 flu. The chemical is called interkeukin-2 (IL-2) and it is thought to boost cellular immunity. (See http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5696079/claims.html patent No. 5,696,079; Dec. 9, 1997)

Fauci credits Gallo for his co-discoveries in the field advancing IL-2, the "immunologic enhancement" of vaccines and other "geneto-pharmaceuticals." This discovery is central to all gene therapies and the future of vaccines. The assignee on this patent is "The United States of America as represented by the Department of Health" that licensed IL-2 to CHIRON Corporation for use with other vaccine additives called "adjuvants." (See: http://www.fluscam.com/Medical_Manchurian_Candidates.html)

The Associated Press reported that Fauci received at least $45,072.82 in royalties when the government licensed IL-2 to CHIRON, the drug industry's major supplier of chemicals. The IL-2 adjuvant is formulated with other toxic chemicals including nonoxynol-9, a spermicide and HIV-killer linked to spontaneous abortions, and thimerosal, causing brain damage and widespread autism in children. Fauci, allegedly, donated his IL-2 royalties to charity to avoid conflict-of-interest charges. But he admitted it was his decision to withhold disclosures to patients and reporters researching IL-2 in the trials that he supervised. (See: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6009.shtml)

CHIRON Corporation makes the leading adjuvant for the H1N1 "swine flu" vaccine named "MF59." The product also contains a tremendously toxic "oil in water" immuno-poison called squalene. Substantial scientific evidence and US Congressional testimonies condemned squalene's link to Gulf War Syndrome following its use in anthrax vaccines. Squalene is even more concentrated in the H1N1 flu vaccines produced for sales overseas by the American-based Baxter Corporation.

"I am aware that IL-2 is the "common denominator" among immune system functions, and can cause severe side effects," Dr. Horowitz wrote for FLUscam.com. Dr. Horowitz remains concerned that CHIRON may be adding IL-2 in is "proprietary" formula secreting this knowledge so that Fauci's conflicting interests, and close ties to leading drug industrialists, go unnoticed. (See: http://www.aegis.com/pubs/bala/1996/BA960809.html>

In a recent study, IL-2 caused no benefit whatsoever stimulating the immune systems of 5,800 subjects at a cost of $85 million. CHIRON and taxpayers paid the tab. Yet, more money and time will be spent researching Fauci's co-discovery to advance next generation vaccines and "geneto-pharmaceuticals." (See: http://www.nih.gov/news/health/feb2009/niaid-10.htm)

inthesticks wrote: ChriSSSS wrote: i just took a deep breath, and they do hurt. i have the flu should i stay home tomorrow from school?     ChriSSSS...if you have a thermomenter handy, take your temperature every hour or so.  If it goes above 101 degrees and stays there or goes higher, tell your mom.  Rotate medicine by taking aspirin; check temp. after an hour; if your temp. is not down, then take Tylenol;  wait an hour and take your temp.  Keep doing this until either the  fever breaks or if it doesn't, get your mom to take you to the hospital.  At your age, you are more susceptible to swine flu than adults...and you don't want to get worse.  You especially don't want to come down with pneumonia from swine flu.  If it hurts when you take deep breaths, your lungs could be infected with pneumonia.   Keep us informed, okay?

inthesticks you are giving medical advice- are you a licensed M.D.

Medclinician

inthesticks wrote: ChriSSSS wrote: i just took a deep breath, and they do hurt. i have the flu should i stay home tomorrow from school?     ChriSSSS...if you have a thermomenter handy, take your temperature every hour or so.  If it goes above 101 degrees and stays there or goes higher, tell your mom.  Rotate medicine by taking aspirin; check temp. after an hour; if your temp. is not down, then take Tylenol;  wait an hour and take your temp.  Keep doing this until either the  fever breaks or if it doesn't, get your mom to take you to the hospital.  At your age, you are more susceptible to swine flu than adults...and you don't want to get worse.  You especially don't want to come down with pneumonia from swine flu.  If it hurts when you take deep breaths, your lungs could be infected with pneumonia.   Keep us informed, okay?

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yes... most of us are pretty sturdy and do well even with all the... stuff out there... for the few who do not do so well... I ask that the Congress. assist them, have a fund set up for them.and... do not remove our freedom of choice in the face of novel or experimental vaccines.  I want the Congress to spend our tax dollars wisely, proportionately.