Although we are being told to be mass vaccinated- some say the entire deal with a Pandemic is no worse than seasonal flu. As opposed to other real killers, heart disease, TB, as well a economic problems, social security and other issues- are we putting two much attention and effort which should be focused on problems at home while the flu may kill less people than the usual seasonal flu. Is it all hype or are we in danger? 

The swine flu is real but the death toll "so far" is much less then previously expected. The majority of the population will probably catch it but the severity is generally less then the seasonal flu. You can get the vaccine and not be sick for a week or you can chance it and gamble with 1:10,000 or so odds that you will die. If you're younger your odds of dying are higher but they are still relatively low compared to dying on the freeway.

This H1N1 is not a big killer and I hope it stays that way. I still believe that the CDC and who ever TPTB have proven they can come up with a viable vaccine within 9 months and they will have 200 million doses distributed by Feb/March.

Yes the messages are mixed...my kid has had H1N1 and I may get it but I had the H1N1 vaccine in 1976 and may still have some resistance. I will have to wait until others more needy get the shot and by that time we will know if there are any adverse reactions.   I am glad I do not have to make the decision for my child...shot or no shot.

I know many dooms day people do not like that I am saying that if we have to SIP because of a deadly flu virus we will only need 12 months. Survival blogs have people purchasing land out in the middle of no where. Great if you have millions or don't need to work for a living.   But I now have more confidence that if H5N1 goes H2H and is deadly the CDC and "others" will do their best to save as many as they can.

Now that is not to say people who are prepped for more time are wrong because there could be food shortages, or other problems the world may have and they are prepped.

I am a true believer in prepping I just am a person who prays that no one ever really needs their preps. I sleep at night knowing I have food that will be there for me and my child for 15 - 20 years, we will have a way to have potable water and heat/cooking methods that work.

One thing that I have learned in my 60 years is Crap Happens and it is not fun if you are not ready.

Mary008 wrote: 250 million vaccines have been ordered and you are advised to take it. They did spend Billions... in case it was a biggie... it wasn't... but a good test run.... not to mention that some are at risk and will want the vaccine?  are still relatively low compared to dying on the freeway. such a way with words :)

Two weeks ago people were telling us the vaccine will be mandatory and forced vaccinations to all citizens. They argued that most people will not want to get the vaccine. I was telling them that we will have a shortage and we will probably see long lines of people lined up to get the vaccine. Just like the Xbox and Iphone lines.

When I put the link to the study that 75% of adults want their children vaccinated. Most in this forum said I was wrong and the study was flawed. Now people are overloading phone systems trying to get the vaccine. It's a balance of supply and demand and people now want what they can't have.

Now the topic is not mandatory vaccines but where can I get the vaccine?

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Where to Get a Flu Shot Is Big Worry of Season

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And across the country, state and local health hot lines are jammed and message boards are lighting up with one question: When can I get my vaccination?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/health/policy/12states.html

The most imaginative marketing teams plan out shortages to increase the demand. Xbox, Iphone, Wii, beanie babies and now Vaccines. If you can't get people to voluntarily buy it. You make a thought out plan that get's people lined up to buy.

Even nightclubs do this. They might be at 30-50% capacity but they make sure to have 20-100 people standing in line. People see the line and say. Wow look at the line, That's an awesome Club! Quick get in line!

4=laro wrote: My parents asked me about the vaccine... and the word on it is... the over 65 crowed won't get any until all the vulnerables are served....  as there is a claimed immunity? Mary, who is putting out this information?  I am over 65 and i dont mind not getting the shot, but what makes anyone think i am immune?  I do believe I had the flu last spring but that would be the only reason I would be immune.

I stole this from a Post I did yesterday.

The answer to why seniors are being delayed in their receipt of the vaccine is twofold: There is a limited supply being made available and seniors are believed to have a preexisting immunity.


Spanish flu exposure
The Centers for Disease Control supports their assertion that immunity exists by reasoning that seniors, especially those older than 60, might have been exposed to the Spanish influenza in 1918 and Asian influenza in 1957. CDC also points out that from all swine flu cases in the United States, 64 percent of them were found in people within the ages of 5-24 and only one percent of virus cases were found in people older than 65.



http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

I for one am not seeing any consistancy in the areas I am in. We have the mist, but healthy kids are getting it, pregnant women have not been treated or sick kids because they have no vaccine, and not only do they not have swine vaccine, they do not have much seasonal vaccine. My daughter tells me it is the same for Kansas and MO. The flu is rampant here, so if they do not get the vaccine out soon, it will be too late for most.

Technologist wrote: Two weeks ago people were telling us the vaccine will be mandatory and forced vaccinations to all citizens. They argued that most people will not want to get the vaccine. I was telling them that we will have a shortage and we will probably see long lines of people lined up to get the vaccine. Just like the Xbox and Iphone lines.

More Than 2,000 Stand in Line for H1N1 Vaccine

Monday, October 19, 2009

More than 2,600 people stood in line — sometimes longer than two hours — to be among the first in southern Nevada to get the injectable swine flu vaccine.

Gwen Osburn, community health nurse at the Southern Nevada Health District, said more than 300 people were vaccinated in the first hour after opening on Saturday.

The health district has received more than 48,000 doses of the H1N1 vaccine, including an initial delivery of 20,000 FluMist doses, which are administered through the nose.

About 11,000 doses have been distributed to doctors' offices in Clark County that serve at-risk populations.

I guess we have to wait and see if it's going to be a "big killer" flu season

inthesticks wrote:   I really hate to post this; however, the post about people standing in long lines to get this flu vaccine...is eerily similar to what took place in the movie "Invasion", which came out a year or so ago.  That movie loosely based on the old "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" movie, except it has been completely modernized and is really good, if not creepy.

INS- what do you think? Do you think we have a real problem here or not? We have had two more reports of young children dying in a few days from this with a rapid onset strain. There are no big lines here for the vaccine and in a number of areas the turnout is lower.

So where do you stand on this? Do you think there is no real issue even though many of the family here are pretty sick- or should everyone be vaccinated? Have you got your vaccine seasonal or otherwise yet?

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