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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Why has WHO not released the gentic sequences from Ukraine. This makes now sense especially if there have been no mutations, which is what they are trying to suggest. By not releasing this information it only fuels the speculation fires.

So whats the hold up, its been 8 days since the statement.


I have posted why there may be a hold up. Because its too hot to put out there.

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Ukraine Flu Outbreak: Virus Is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza
Professor Victor Bachinsky, M.D. is a coroner in the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine. He also teaches at the Department of Anatomical Pathology and Forensic Medicine of Bukovynian State Medical Academy.
http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16324:ukraine-flu-outbreak-virus-is-a-mixture-of-h1n1-and-parainfluenza&catid=116:breaking-news&Itemid=298
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Originally posted by A1&A2 A1&A2 wrote:


                         Ukraine Flu Outbreak: Virus Is a Mixture of H1N1 and ParainfluenzaProfessor Victor Bachinsky, M.D. is a coroner
in the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine. He also teaches at the Department
of Anatomical Pathology and Forensic Medicine of Bukovynian State
Medical Academy.
http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16324:ukraine-flu-outbreak-virus-is-a-mixture-of-h1n1-and-parainfluenza&catid=116:breaking-news&Itemid=298


Thanks for the Article A1@A2,


Here's the original article translated and it clearly says it's NOT any type of Pneumonic Plague like Med is trying to feed us. No Black lungs or any of that twitterfeed crap.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unian.net%2Frus%2Fnews%2Fnews-346721.html&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
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Health Ministry Confirms 299 Deaths Of Flu And Acute Respiratory Viral Infections

The Health Ministry confirmed 299 deaths of flu and acute respiratory viral infections in 23 regions, the city of Kyiv and Crimea as of November 15.

Ukrainian News learned this from a statement by the Health Ministry.

Of 299 lethal cases, 17 cases were registered over the past 24 hours.


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Old news; 11/13/2009!

Swine flu goes on robbing Ukrainian people’s lives. Medics now don’t say that patients use to go to hospitals too late because there are 11 doctors among dead people. The Ministry of health protection of Ukraine has officially informed today that the number of flu victims has reached 282 people since the beginning of the epidemic. But experts consider the real situation worse than official data. Statistics is also under control of some political powers.

According to the Party of regions’ data there have been 800 people died in Ukraine since the beginning of the epidemic. At the staff of Tyagnibok they tell about 1343 dead of swine flu.
The flu epidemic in Ukraine was declared at the end of October
. The number of people died of the flu was up to 265 by the Friday’s evening. 17 people more (3 in Kiev) died yesterday.



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It would appear that we are in fact dealing with a new strain.   The WHO is still remaining silent about the sequencing?  Typical.    
 
We will most likely be releasing some world wide PR's soon, which will also condemn the WHO for their actions, or lack thereof I should say.
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It would appear that we are in fact dealing with a new strain.   The WHO is still remaining silent about the sequencing?  Typical.    
 
We will most likely be releasing some world wide PR's soon, which will also condemn the WHO for their actions, or lack thereof I should say.
 
I would agree Albert, there needs to be PR urgently. My concern is given the biased, untruthful and misrepresnting of facts that goes on in reporting any news on H1N1 do you think you will get:
 
a) a hearing at all?
b) a fair hearing?
 
Remember the Baxter fiasco in Feb 09, it should have been worldwide headlines yet it only appeared in one newspaper, the Toronto Star and still to date NO-ONE has been held accountable for that incident.
 
My concern is that it sets you up as a target for those who are seeking to supress information.
 
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Drudge Report:MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'...
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It's not the plague.  I believe it's been identified to be somewhat of a new h1n1 strain, if I was reading the last report correctly.  It may act as the plague, but it's not.  Either way, a new strain heading our way could give us a little bumpy ride this winter.   Let's track the CFR closely so we know what we're dealing with.  

  
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that would certainly explain the dragging of feet by the Mill Hill (WHO) lab in getting the Ukraine sequences out there for peer review
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hisz.rsoe.hu...
Situation Update No. 39
On 16.11.2009 at 04:22 GMT+2

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine". The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".


Also from link:


"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs. [First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets]



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Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

hisz.rsoe.hu...
Situation Update No. 39
On 16.11.2009 at 04:22 GMT+2

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine". The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".


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"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs. [First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets]



 
Seems to be a rehash of a November 2 story, almost verbatim, found here:  http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2009/11/02/11155.shtml
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It's just  ... "la grippe californienne"!
From UKRAINE.
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Just, please, update your informations!
We need news NOW!
Sorry; I'm in FRANCE, and UKRAINE IS ... border!
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Hello, A1&A2,
 
This might be helpful...http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/378759.html
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Originally posted by A1&A2 A1&A2 wrote:

Just, please, update your informations!
We need news NOW!
Sorry; I'm in FRANCE, and UKRAINE IS ... border!

Ukraine Flu Outbreak: Virus Is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza, Causes Cardiopulmonary Failure

Interview with Dr. Victor Bachinsky

by Anna Yashchenko

[Translated from Russian, first published in English by Infowars Ireland]


Based on autopsies, we have come to the conclusion: it’s not pneumonia, but cardiopulmonary insufficiency and cardiogenic shock... The virus enters directly into the lungs, there is bleeding... Antibiotics should not be used...

Why do we have such a high mortality rate in the country?

Because people are going to pharmacies to get medicine instead of going to their doctors to be treated... No it is not pneumonic plague. It’s all nonsense... antibiotics do not help... Those with strong immune systems will survive. People with weak immune systems will succumb to the illness... Face Masks provide 30% extra protection. Wearing glasses gives an additional 10% protection, that is 40%, because the virus penetrates the mucose membranes.

The Head of the Chernivtsi regional forensic bureau, Professor Victor Bachinsky M.D. makes a strong statement: all the victims of the virus in Bukovina (22 persons aged 20 to 40 years) died not from bilateral (double) pneumonia, as previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e. the total destruction of the lungs. We caught up with Professor Bachinsky, to find out how he came to this conclusion, and how people can protect themselves from this disease.

Professor, you said earlier that the virus, from which many people have died – is a mixture of types of parainfluenza and influenza A/H1N1. How do you cure this disease?

The question of how to treat this virus is not up to me. I am a pathologist. I just found out what it is and made an exact diagnosis. It is important to provide the correct treatment based on diagnosis.

There are strict protocols and standards of treatment in medicine. If a doctor treats a patient who dies, their relatives can make a complaint that they were not treated properly (misdiagnosed). The Ministry of Health has set the protocols and standards of treatment for each diagnosis. If diagnosed correctly, the treatment should be correct...

In the Chernivtsi region 18 people have died. We studied all the history and evidence from this disease, preclinical, clinical, resuscitation. When we perform an autopsy organs and tissues have histological studies (cell analysis) and we concluded that it was not pneumonia, and has no relation to pneumonia whatsoever.

These results are the foundation to ensure that doctors who treat this disease all over Ukraine, change their tactics and standards of care.

Can this new virus be cured?

It depends on the immune system. If a person’s immune system is strong, they will overcome it. There are people who carry this strain of H1N1 and remain on their feet and don’t even realise they are sick.

Antibiotics definitely should not be taken. Antibiotics are the reason we have such a high mortality and infection rate in this country, because people go to the pharmacy, describe their symptoms to the pharmacist and ask for drugs. They buy antibiotics, take them, this lowers their immune system and as a result they become sick. If prescriptions were required to buy these medications, like in other countries, this would not have happened. It is the ability to buy antibiotics over the counter without a prescription which has done so much harm to the State.

During autopsies, what did the lungs look like? Were they really black, which gave rise to so much talk of pulmonary plague?

No, they are not black... This is not pneumonic plague. It’s all nonsense. Pneumonic plague has a very different morphology. We have, for example, 60 thousand people who became sick and 23 have died. With pulmonary plague, we would now have a mortality rate of 59 thousand...

This is a viral attack that destroys the lungs.

It turns out that not only in Bukovina, but also throughout the Ukraine people did not die from pneumonia, but from this toxic strain?

Yes, It’s not pneumonia! This destruction of the lungs. This strain is very toxic, and if the immune system is weak, there is bleeding in the lungs. In the lungs there is a tiny structure – acinus, which looks like a bunch of grapes. When you breathe, oxygen enters this tiny "bunch of grapes" ( pulmonary alveoli ). On the surface of the acinus are the capillaries, where red blood cells saturate with oxygen and give blood, which supplies all tissues and organs in the body.

And once the virus enters the lungs – hemorrhaging begins immediately in the acinus. A continuous hemorrhage... It takes several hours. In the blood fibrin is formed, and from it – giolinovaya membrane, resembling a plastic bag. It envelops the acinus, and the person breathes in oxygen, but it is not transferred to the tissues. And people just gasp. There is a cardio-pulmonary insufficiency and cardiogenic shock. People die of cardiogenic shock. And there is no pneumonia. Pneumonia – an inflammation, which is treated with antibiotics. Antibiotics cannot help at any stage. There should be absolutely different treatment.

And how about Tamiflu – does it help?

This is not an antibiotic, it is an antiviral drug, which should be applied on the second or third day of the disease. But you can not use Tamiflu as a preventitive, because it is toxic.

What are the best measures to resist the disease? Is it advisable to use a mask, garlic, vitamin C?

The primary method of prevention is a face mask. This give 30% extra protection. If you wear glasses [goggles] – it is 40%, because the virus enters through the mucous membranes.

It is necessary to improve the human immune system. Not only now, but in general. Garlic, onions, wild rose, viburnum (guelder rose), raspberries, citrus fruit, honey, and other fruits and vegetables – whatever you want. Those with a strong immune system will survive. Those with weaker immune systems will succumb to the disease.

We have a lot of people in Ukraine who like shopping at the open markets. If we can avoid open markets, the less people will be in contact with each other and more lives will be saved.

You have contacted the Health Ministry and advised them to review the standards for treatment of patients. What did they say?

We sent them all our data, the necessary protocols and standards of treatment, our diagnosis. But it is clear that decisions cannot be instantaneous.

And why until now has nobody else known about this disease? What were the leading specialists in the Ministry of Health doing all this time?

Perhaps this is due to the fact that there are scientists who are working on a purely theoretical basis. And there are scientists who have seen the autopsy results. I practice as head of the regional forensic bureau and as a professor. The fact that we have established this diagnosis – it is not just to my credit, and this is not my personal opinion. This is the opinion of specialists, morphologists and doctors in Bukovina. There are five professors in our group – I just head the group.

Professor Victor Bachinsky, M.D. is a coroner in the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine. He also teaches at the Department of Anatomical Pathology and Forensic Medicine of Bukovynian State Medical Academy.

Original interview in Russian by Anna Yashchenko published by Unian:
www.unian.net/rus/news/news-346721.html


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New H1N1 Strain Identified in The Ukraine; Swine Flu.org Urges World Health


November 16, 2009 12:02 PM

LONG BEACH, CA -- (Marketwire) -- 11/16/09 -- Swine Flu.org, a community based website and discussion forum, has issued a warning regarding the potential emergence of a new H1N1 strain circulating in The Ukraine after a recent finding by Dr. Victor Bachinsky, M.D. and coroner in the Chernivtsi Region of the Ukraine. ''The virus is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza,'' said Dr. Bachinksy, discounting earlier claims that the Ukraine H1N1 outbreak was related to pneumonic plague.

The World Health Organization arrived in The Ukraine on November 2nd to determine if the H1N1 virus had mutated by sequencing the genes. Although the results were due to be announced on November 4th, The World Health Organization has not yet released their findings. ''I'm sure the WHO can understand the urgency and importance of releasing this type of information as quickly as possible,'' said Ryan Evans, owner and founder of Swine Flu.org. ''An advanced notice that the virus has mutated is our best chance of dealing with the pandemic this winter,'' said Evans. ''A new and more virulent strain could result in a global disaster as there would be no vaccine available.''

Latest reports from The Ukraine indicate that over one million people have been infected by The Ukraine H1N1 in the last three weeks and experts fear that this enormous flu wave could be heading for North America.

For more information regarding this issue, and to see what people are saying about it online, please visit the website and online discussion forum located at www.swineflu.org.

Contact Information: Swine Flu.org P.O Box 1294 Stanton, CA 90680 714-381-1020

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Mahs...
 
An H1N1 co-infection with parainfluenza...    is a new strain?   hardly ...  
 
and declared by a community forum?     :/
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good news for UKRAINE
 
 
Ukraine flu epidemic slows
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 09 November 2009
 
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"In the last few days, the number of patients falling ill per day has fallen," Ukraine's deputy health minister, Vasyl Lazoryshynets, said at a news conference.
The number of new cases peaked on November 4 when more than 127,000 cases were registered. By Sunday, only 32,000 new cases were registered, Lazoryshynets said.
 
 
 
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Up date!

Health Ministry: Flu, respiratory infections kill 315 people in Ukraine

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52902/

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People are not dropping in the streets...
 
Please stop hyping the death rate.    There are 3 or 4 more pandemics going round the world right now... causing more deaths than this.
 
 
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No death rate!
Les gens ; que savent-ils?
Merci de m'informer sur les 3 ou 4 pandémies?
UNE SEULE est bien suffisante!
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Mahs...
 
An H1N1 co-infection with parainfluenza...    is a new strain?   hardly ...  
 
and declared by a community forum?     :/
The new virus is a reassortment with components of parainfluenza and H1N1 says Dr. Victor Bachinsky.  He has not seen a co-infection but the results of a "new" virus.
 
Quote Professor, you said earlier that the virus, from which many people have died – is a mixture of types of parainfluenza and influenza A/H1N1. How do you cure this disease?

The question of how to treat this virus is not up to me. I am a pathologist. I just found out what it is and made an exact diagnosis. It is important to provide the correct treatment based on diagnosis.

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hi... yes, one is enough... but we do have several more pandemics and we need to keep a level perspective on this one.   I understand the concern... last year there was terrible Flu in France... H3N2  many were ill.   enough is enough ...yes.
 
(my Family came from Perche area) )
 
here is some info from WHO...
 
 
 
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16 November 2009

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The World Health Organization said Friday that a "high to very high intensity of respiratory diseases" had been reported in Russia and Belarus but it was now less concerned about a big outbreak in Ukraine.
 
 
"The initial analysis of information from Ukraine indicates that the numbers of severe cases do not appear to be excessive when compared to the experience of other countries and do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus," the WHO said in a statement posted on its web site.
 
 
 
Ukraine, Belarus and some Russian cities have recently extended school breaks because of fears about the pandemic virus. WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said school closures were among steps that could slow viral spread at the beginning of an outbreak, but had less usefulness once the flu had reached 5 percent of a given population.
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It's getting a little confusing - British understatement - about the conflicting reviews here. Is it Plague, Swine Flu, Parainfluenza etc etc? Is there any evidence of it jumping westwards/northwards i.e. Poland, Baltic States, Balkans. Someone said a few posts before that it won't be long before it hits N. America...
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We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men.
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Originally posted by Mary008 Mary008 wrote:

 
Mahs...
 
An H1N1 co-infection with parainfluenza...    is a new strain?   hardly ...  
 
and declared by a community forum?     :/
__________________________________________________________________ 
 
Mary08
 
The post had already been posted earlier in the day, I merely posted that version because of the reference to the sister site www.swineflu.org.
 
Did you catch that?
 
Is that true?
 
Or is that some other site?
 
Just wondering, and yes the information coming from that region of the woirld has been quite (Questionable)
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The news about Ukraine has finally hit drudgereport... I wonder if the populace will notice.
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hi Bluesman...

A Reporter.... calls it a ...   mixture...    and it's then a new virus attributed

to the Pathologist she is interviewing?
 
How accurate is that?       Where does the Pathologist say there is a new virus?
 
 
There are many viruses that may co-infect.
 
 
here is info on...
 
 
Parainfluenza
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Human parainfluenza viruses (HPIV)
 
were first discovered in the late 1950s.
 
 
...HPIV is genetically and antigenically divided into types 1 to 4.
 
Further major subtypes of HPIV-4 (A and B) and subgroups/genotypes of HPIV-1 and HPIV-3 have been described.
 
 
HPIV-1 to HPIV-3 are major causes of lower respiratory infections in infants, young children, the immunocompromised, the chronically ill, and the elderly.
 
 
Each subtype can cause somewhat unique clinical diseases in different hosts. HPIV are enveloped and of medium size (150 to 250 nm), and their RNA genome is in the negative sense.
 
These viruses belong to the Paramyxoviridae family, one of the largest and most rapidly growing groups of viruses causing significant human and veterinary disease.
 
HPIV are closely related to recently discovered megamyxoviruses (Hendra and Nipah viruses) and metapneumovirus.
 
 
 
 
Orthomyxoviridae
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Influenzavirus A
Influenzavirus B
Influenzavirus C
 

 
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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?glide=EP-20091028-23630-UKR&cat=dis&lang=eng
Situation Update No. 39
On 16.11.2009 at 04:22 GMT+2

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine". The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza". It is also required to distribute masks at health facilities with 8 levels of protection and anti-plague protection costumes. There is also an informal order not to allow any visitors to see the patients. According to the "Fraza" agency, "today in Ukraine pneumonic plague is going in parallel with swine flu. The plague has killed over 60 people, and about 14 from the flu. Meanwhile, the press service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine reported that there is only one death from "California" virus A/N1N1 in Ukraine. "In Ukraine there are 22 cases recorded of the virus A/N1N1 disease and there is only one fatal consequence as a result. All other cases of death from influenza has only a speculative attitude to "California" virus," press service reports. The situation with the epidemic of influenza is a complex and unpredictable because of the propensity of influenza A/H1N1 virus to mutation, said First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets on Monday, November 2.

"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs. At a press conference Lazoryshynets also said that there are 22 officially confirmed cases of influenza A/H1N1 in Ukraine. First Vice Prime Minister Oleksandr Turchinov previously stated that as of Monday morning, November 2, there are 64 registered deaths in Ukraine from flu and acute respiratory viral infections. Meantime, according to official information the highest level of epidemiological risk is declared in Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanislav) area, from 2 November. This decision was made by Ivano-Frankivsk Regional emergency epidemiological commission at the extended session on November 2. In accordance with the Commission, quarantine will last for all educational institutions in the area until 20 November, a commission to monitor the distribution of medicines is also made, which come in the region as humanitarian aid.

The commission agreed that health workers will provide individual first aid kit. There will be extra transport allocated to visit patients by the district doctors. According to the Ministry of Health, today in Ukraine there are 255 000 registered cases of influenza and SARS, of whom 15 000 were hospitalized. Ministry of Transport and Communications of Ukraine introduced a permanent monitoring of the situation on a clear implementation of the planned anti-epidemic measures in public transport. A special monitoring group studied the transport department on November 2, how the anti-epidemiological measures were applied at the Kiev railway station, central bus station of the capital and the International airport "Borispol". Polish epidemiologists November 3 arrive in Ukraine for obtaining specimens from patients with the Ukrainians. The experts will arrive in Lviv, where it is supposed to take 190 samples. Polish epidemiologists are expected to arrive in Ukraine on November 3 to obtain samples from patients. The experts will arrive in Lviv, where 190 samples are to be taken. Lithuanian Foreign Ministry on November 2 recommended to the residents of Lithuania to refrain from unnecessary trips to the Ukraine.
 
Folks, I had to read this twice to make sure it sank in! 
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Loribearme, that is a story from 11/2/09 - I would think there would be more on the plague subject since that date , as in a definite confirmation -
 
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News Agency "Fraza" reported ....      :/


The Pathologist says... No Plague...   as there would be... many more ... deaths.

Is anyone reading that post?

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This would all be much easier if WHO just released the Sequences to the scientific community
 
Yes
 
If ther is no problerm than there is no reason for an obvious delay
 
Just my opinion
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At this point I don't know what to believe anymore. Did you know they don't test the patients for H1N anymore? I have friends in eastern Europe and that is what they told me. They keep saying they died from H1N1 by symptoms which will increase the number and fear without a scientific proof. Honestly I really think the panic is a lot bigger than the real virus.

I keep saying use natural products and you will be safe
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Originally posted by Mary008 Mary008 wrote:

hi Bluesman...

A Reporter.... calls it a ...   mixture...    and it's then a new virus attributed

to the Pathologist she is interviewing?
 
How accurate is that?       Where does the Pathologist say there is a new virus?
 
 
There are many viruses that may co-infect.
Your points are well taken.  The reporter did not make the statement ""The virus is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza," it was said by Dr. Bachinsky. If you will note the quote I mentioned earlier,  he clearly states THE virus, not the viruses or the virus mix, etc.  From his interview, I believe it is very clear he is speaking of one virus.  Hence, the reason why the senior forum moderator at Swineflu.org raised greater awareness with his press release after I posted the interview with Dr. Bachinksy on his site.  The issue is now very serious.  We need gene sequencing to resolve the clinical observations.
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from Bluesman...
 
The reporter did not make the statement ""The virus is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza," it was said by Dr. Bachinsky.
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Professor, you said earlier that the virus, from which many people have died – is a mixture of types of parainfluenza and influenza A/H1N1. How do you cure this disease?
 
 
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from Bluesman...
 
He has not seen a co-infection but the results of a "new" virus.
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where did the Pathologist say that the Virus is New?
 
 
I don't see it in the article...
 
 
Just cut and paste it for us.
 
 
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I spoke to an Alaska reporter when they flew those 3 folks out of the small Island 2.5 miles from Russia mainland. The little girl tested negative for h1n1 but was in severe respiratory distress. I asked him why this wasnt in the news. He said that he didnt feel a reporter should cause panic. I told him panic now or panic later, panic will happen, so why not try to find out the truth so we can deal with it. He stopped talking to me =s


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Originally posted by Mary008 Mary008 wrote:

 
 
 
 
from Bluesman...
 
The reporter did not make the statement ""The virus is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza," it was said by Dr. Bachinsky.
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Professor, you said earlier that the virus, from which many people have died – is a mixture of types of parainfluenza and influenza A/H1N1. How do you cure this disease?
 
 
...........................
 
from Bluesman...
 
He has not seen a co-infection but the results of a "new" virus.
........................
 
where did the Pathologist say that the Virus is New?
 
 
I don't see it in the article...
 
 
Just cut and paste it for us.
 
 
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Here is Dr. Bachinsky's statement found within the interview I posted here (with my underline added):
Quote "The question of how to treat this virus is not up to me."
The quote containing the mix statement is found within Albert's press release.
Quote "The virus is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza," said Dr. Bachinksy
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Here is something posted on swineflu.org  that will give some perspective on Dr. Bachinsky.
 

Ukrainian disease is viral disstressindroma

  Translated from Russian courtesy Google:

Ukrainians do not die from pneumonia, but from viral disstressindroma - expert

November 12, 2009 15:41


All victims of the virus in Bukovina (22 persons aged 20 to 40 years) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as previously thought, but as a result of viral disstressindroma, ie total lung injury: first comes the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency, and then developed cardiogenic shock, which causes cardiac arrest and death. On this Monday, 11 November, the newspaper "Doba" said Chief of the Chernivtsi regional forensic bureau, PhD, Professor Victor Bachinsky.

"During the bilateral pneumonia monitor specific morphological picture. Regarding these deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, he did not strike the trachea, and immediately gets into the lungs and causes strong swelling and continuous hemorrhage. Causes such a state of mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza A/N1N1. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet been worked out by the Ministry of Health method of treatment ", - said Victor Bachinsky.

According to him, an urgent need to change the treatment standards, because those used so far, the results have not given - in intensive care unable to save all people infected with the virus. Not justified in this situation and ALV apparatus - the death rate of people attacked is 100%.

In view of this, a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and NSDC to demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovina. Scientists-morphological sent to Kiev reports, studies and taken from seriously ill and died from the virus of tests.

Victor Bachinsky, part of the initiators of the treatment group, notes that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through inhalation but also through the eye membrane.  Therefore Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case not to give up the masks and the period of the epidemic even wearing goggles.  An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime.

 
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Situation Update No. 40
On 17.11.2009 at 03:37 GMT+2

In the Ukraine, a strain of the flu has infected 1.4 million people. The death toll, according to the Ukraine Health Ministry, is at 315 people as of November 16, 2009. The World Bank Database gives the estimated population for the Ukraine as a little over 46 million. While the percentages do not appear high, the reported symptoms and contagion patterns of this flu are of concern to some doctors. The virus is being tested at the Medical Research Council laboratories, in Britain. "We don't believe it's H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is," states Ukrainian emergency physician Myron Borysevych. The Daily Mail states that doctors are likening this strain of the flu to the Spanish flu, which included internal hemorrhage and edema in the lungs. Last week, the World Health Organization team working in the Ukraine stated that there would be a second wave of the epidemic. This prediction appears to be coming true. The Ukraine Health Ministry reports 16 new deaths in the past day alone. Samples of the Ukraine flu virus were provided to a British lab, for testing to conclusively subtype the virus. Learning whether the virus is a mutated form of the H1N1 swine flu, or an entirely new type of flu virus, will help health officials and members of the public take necessary measures for protection from this deadly disease.

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?glide=EP-20091028-23630-UKR&cat=dis&lang=eng
 
This is the most recent update. 
 
Now is the time for making sure food is stocked up for 6 months! Shocked
 
Also this is making mainstream news now!  
 
 
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