The unusual illness I first started posting on recently is still continuing to spread.

Sharp Rise of 300,000 Norwegians Infected with Swine Flu Last Week.

Swine flu A/H1N1 spreads quickly but is largely mild. It is way milder than seasonal flu. In fact, a lot of people recover without seeing the doctor. The mortality rate is far lower than that of seasonal flu too. So, we must not submit to the fear mongering of the pharmaceutical cartel. I am highlighting this case, because I believe swine flu is bio-engineered. Coupled with the hemorrhagic pneumonia of Ukraine, we need to keep an eye on unusual flu ‘events’.

They backtracked on there original numbers which were

This was the original numbers given.

Wednesday evening FHI reported that the number of infected people is 900,000, and the number of infected last week 500,000. This was due to a miscalculation by the Department.
 
The entire 13 per cent of Norway’s population is now infected with the swine flu. The estimates of Public Health (FHI) for the latest updated situation report that was published late Wednesday night.
 
Both the incidence of influenza-like illness and the number of confirmed flu cases has increased sharply throughout the country in recent weeks. Men i forrige uke gikk kurven bratt oppover. But last week was a steep upward curve.

how these old hidden accounts seem to blossom forth 

Beware of the pneumonic plague carrying Norwegian Rat

http://ajp.amjpathol.org/cgi/reprint/174/3/910.pdf

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/world/20091120_ap_whoinvestigatingnorwayswineflumutations.html

WHO investigating Norway swine flu mutations

The Associated Press

abcdefg wrote: It  was never in doubt that the virus would eventually mutate, however it did not mutate in Brazil. At least according to Brazil it did not.   Our of  seven hundred thousand cases of flu,  16  are dead, mutatted or not, this is not a major killer disease at this point. Missing are any reports of pre-existing conditions.   But it sure has a nice death and  scare ring to it, does it not?   The lunatic is on the grass. The lunatic is on the grass. Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs. Got to keep the loonies on the path.

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According to my research yesterday not only did it mutate in Brazil, that mutation has spread. You need to back off on the personal attacks and focus on science. Argue with WHO and stop posting gibberish. You are not destroying my credibility- you are destroying your own.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/091120/health/health_flu_who_mutation

Mutation found in swine flu virus: WHO

GENEVA (AFP) - The World Health Organisation said Friday that a mutation had been found in samples of the swine flu virus taken following the first two deaths from the pandemic in Norway.

However, it stressed that the mutation did not appear to cause a more contagious or more dangerous form of A(H1N1) influenza and that some similar cases observed elsewhere had been mild.

"The Norwegian Institute of Public Health has informed WHO of a mutation detected in three H1N1 viruses," the WHO said in a briefing note.

"The viruses were isolated from the first two fatal cases of pandemic influenza in the country and one patient with severe illness," it said, although it added that no further instances were found in tests.

"Norwegian scientists have analysed samples from more than 70 patients with clinical illness and no further instances of this mutation have been detected. This finding suggests that the mutation is not widespread in the country," the UN health agency explained.

WHO spokesman Gregory Haertl told AFP that the global health watchdog did not believe "that this has any significant impact for the time being."

However, the agency revealed that a similar mutation had been observed in Brazil, China, Japan, Mexico, Ukraine, and the United States, as early as April.

comment: you are mistaken for lack of better research.

Medclinician

http://www.examiner.com/x-29228-LA-Health-Technology-Examiner~y2009m11d21-H1N1-mutation-in-Norway--Increased-patient-fatalities-due-to-more-dangerous-strain-of-the-swine-flu H1N1 mutation in Norway - Increased patient fatalities due to more dangerous strain of the swine flu

Doctors in Norway have identified H1N1 mutations in genetic material from patients with fatal swine flu infections. The mutated H1N1 virus caused severe symptoms, and were found in patients that died early in the flu outbreak. Health authorities believe that there is no evidence of transmission of these mutated viruses to other humans, but similar mutations have been seen in other countries, including Mexico, the United States, and in the Ukraine. According to the World Health Organization, this is the result of spontaneous changes in the virus in each host.

Symptoms of Swine Flu Mutation

The swine flu mutation found in Norway resulted in severe respiratory distress. The Norwegian Institute of Public Health stated that the mutation gave the virus a greater ability to affect the respiratory system, allowing it to cause more damage. Ukraine flu symptoms reportedly include bleeding in the lungs.

Impact of H1N1 mutation on Norway

According to Geir Stene-Larsen, the director of Norway's Institute of Public Health, this mutation was only found in three cases, out of the 70 swine flu cases that were analyzed. Two of those cases resulted in the death of the patient. 

Related Information:

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October batch of H1N1 vaccine recalled by manufacturer - GlaxoSmithKline reports side effect dangers

Ukraine virus : H1N1 and Parainfluenza makes a deadly combination as Ukraine flu outbreak worsens

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Medclinician wrote: Loribearme wrote: http://www.examiner.com/x-29228-LA-Health-Technology-Examiner~y2009m11d21-H1N1-mutation-in-Norway--Increased-patient-fatalities-due-to-more-dangerous-strain-of-the-swine-flu H1N1 mutation in Norway - Increased patient fatalities due to more dangerous strain of the swine flu Lori, you were lucky to find this article. I am seeing a blackout as of November 20, 2009 and am going to go off mainstream to find much more I think. What is really lacking here is maps and charts of the new disease or strain as well as definitive statements. This is the shape of things to come for the U.S. Medclinician

RC,, other than being disruptive, what exactly does your comment relating to Med's local paper have to do with swine flu?? Please tell us what profound insight it brings to the discussion????

Medclinician wrote: reality check wrote: Quite a "find" indeed. It's a NATIONAL rag.Med...RC This was posted earlier in this thread. http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/world/20091120_ap_whoinvestigatingnorwayswineflumutations.html Posted on Fri, Nov. 20, 2009 WHO investigating Norway swine flu mutations The Associated Press Is there a problem here with information from WHO, the AP, or the Philadelphia media. Please stay on topic in terms of the content of the Norway swine flu mutations and once again- refrain from personal comments and attacks on the posters.  I am putting in two more complaints on your continuing efforts to corrupt and throw genuine news threads off track. John Bell R.N. West Virginia and California (inactive in CA) CEO Crystalware Defense/ Scientific Researcher

lightoftruth wrote: RC,, other than being disruptive, what exactly does your comment relating to Med's local paper have to do with swine flu?? Please tell us what profound insight it brings to the discussion????

Med,
Still following your posts and appreciate all the work you do.

We continue this thread with actually a clear cut theme of three parts.
1) It started in the Ukraine
2) It is spreading now through Europe and has jumped to India
3) This as stated by WHO in many cases IS NOT H1N1 as we know it and they are working around the clock to figure what it is. Despite hammering reassurances the vaccine will work- some countries aren't buying it. Canada isn't. They are backing off on the vaccine. Poland is backing off on the vaccine. They are saying - look- some of the SCIENTISTS are saying - it isn't worth the risk as opposed to the the death toll. How complicated can that be?  We can get all numerical and say how little the death toll is. Bluntly, you aren't being told the death toll. As my grandfather Ralph would say- none of what you hear and only half of what you see- believe. Assume- and this can stand firmly- they report less cases and deaths than there are. Even not by design. They just miss some. How many?
Some say- a lot. CDC itself, I quote- has said our numbers do not reflect an accurate count in the general population. It is probably more. It probably is.

Listen to the scientists, the virologists, especially those not on .gov payroll. And keep an open mind whether these are Russian scientists, form Hungary, Poland, or Ukraine. We need to put on the wide angle vision and just sit back and make up our minds based on the facts as they filter in. I am grateful for the brave posters here who post contra-spin. Not because they are rebels or fear mongers. But because they give us an alternate perspective.

We are not finished. I have other news and other countries.

According to the press service of Belarus continues to rise in the incidence of influenza and acute respiratory infections (ARI). From 2 to 9 November in 18 cities of the republic controls 223,349 registered cases of influenza and ARI. Among the control of cities, the highest incidence rates of influenza and ARI recorded in Rechitsa, Gomel, Mozyr, Molodechno, Mogilev, Vitebsk, Borisov, Minsk, Soligorsk.

In the region from 2 to 9 November diagnosed with influenza and acute respiratory infections (ARI), put 48,752 people, of which the proportion of children was 49% (24051), adults - 51% (24701). Share hospitalized was 2.7% (1,299 people). Among the hospitalized children predominate (60%).

At all administrative territories of the Gomel region introduced a set of preventive measures. In connection with a high incidence in Gomel region on November 9 in 169 schools and three vocational training institutions suspended the learning process.

comment: Yes- we need to check this out and dig deeper for links. It is part of a trend though and fits into the whole picture. Spreading INFLUENZA AND ARI- there is our 'other disease(s)

Finally- the Turkey outbreak link got well diverted. So later we will come back and follow up on this.

Sidestepping the landmines of politics, conspiracy shouting matches and censoring certain sites and persons in the interest of solid science- is not solid science. Some good stuff is coming out directly from the people and on the spot first hand reports.

On November 20th my favorite engine stopped giving me links to support or update the spread. Thanks to the other users who have carried the thread.

We can do this without scaring people. We are alerting people. Just Avian was a big bust and prepping seems a little out there- as one person commenting- no need to avoid common sense. Store some extra food, water, and medicine. Prep.

Maybe we will get to know what the disease is that is popping up with H1N1 or maybe H1N1 which was said by WHO to be a variant strain will be sensitive to the vaccine.  Maybe less sensitive.

John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research
aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide

We'll keep on tracking. And watching the outbreaks. That gives you a head start and keeps you informed. The point of this thread.

Medclinician wrote: They call it the "new virus" and it has touched down in Romania- and there are 1,400 cases with it.

Romania might turn out to be all hype like Ukraine was. The Romanian Government just collapsed and a very close election is only two weeks away. If a large scale deadly mutation were to let loose. It would be plastered on the news faster then we could post about it. I just don't see how digging for stories that have already been posted and then finding them and re-posting them is going to give us much warning if anything does get serious.

Even Google Flu trends has consistently been two weeks ahead of the stories I've seen posted anywhere. You should study how flu trends works. A little kid get's a low grade fever and Flu Trends is tracking it days before the kid is even driven to the hospital.

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Romania's president, rival in runoff election
BUCHAREST, Romania: Romania's centrist president will face a socialist former foreign minister in a Dec. 6 runoff election, partial results showed Monday, in a race key to helping the country emerge from a political and economic crisis.
President Traian Basescu received 32.8 percent of the vote, while Mircea Geoana won 29.8 percent, election authorities said in first official results based on around 74 percent of the vote counted. Conservative opposition leader Crin Antonescu polled 20.3 percent, finishing third in a field of 12 candidates.

Romania's government collapsed last month amid squabbling between the two-party coalition, and the International Monetary Fund has delayed access to a euro1.5 billion ($2 billion) IMF bailout loan while the country struggles to set up a new government.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gb_dTCIc_ALCYh6xks-fA7fx60HgD9C556UO0

 

 

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We are nearing net censorship. Since the efforts of individuals to discredit individual posters are becoming far less effective and the public is waking up, more extreme measures are now being taken to suppress information. One is a flip divert from the target video to an alternate propaganda plain vanilla video.

I have traced this on two videos- where instead of a more serious outbreak video- a public service type video plays. This is intercepted by areas.

One could spend a lot of effort tracking this and complaining- but more important the block I ran up against on November 20, 2009 on the outbreaks in Norway and huge numbers of infections through Europe is holding pretty well.

So as to not be diverted- today I will try to get you as much as I can- not from WHO- not from CDC- from source.



Getting past it- very tough.

John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research
aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide

Had given everyone a day off for the holiday though there is considerable news.  More to come on this thread and others today.

Moving right along-

So now it has a name- I must say in terms of not alarming or scaring the people- I could have picked something else- this would link it esoterically to the Black Death - which of course they still continue to argue about is it one disease or is it many. It appears to be many- and the Pack Theory I continue to speak of indicates it has a lot of friends.

But back to the U.S.S.R. which of course is not anymore- and more to the Ukraine- (despite I am putting some odds on China- August 3rd- which simply did know and didnt' tell- and now is asking for help and making it a crime for people not to report- we need to continue to follow what we began- giving Coyote credit for breaking some of this October 29, 2009.

Since Prison Planet is s - do not pass Go place- lets go to a definite rock solid to continue to the story.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=at9EIIo8mpTs&pos=8

Nov. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu deaths have doubled almost every two weeks since mid October in Europe, with 169 occurring in the past week, the European Center for Disease Control and Prevention said.

Across the region, 670 people infected with the new H1N1 influenza strain have died, the Stockholm-based ECDC said today in a report on its Web site. Cases are being reported in all European Union and European Free Trade Association countries.

“While the most deaths have to date been in Western Europe, there are increasing numbers of deaths being reported from Central and Eastern Europe,” the ECDC said in its daily report.

Europe’s toll accounts for a tenth of the fatal cases reported globally by the World Health Organization last week and so far is a fraction of the 40,000 to 220,000 deaths that the ECDC estimates are caused by seasonal flu in the region each year. Unlike the usual winter strains that predominantly kill the frail elderly, swine flu is targeting younger people who rarely succumb to influenza.

No accurate data are available to compare the number of hospitalizations and deaths caused by swine flu and the number that occur due to seasonal influenza, said John Paget, an epidemiologist at the Netherlands Institute for Health Services Research in Utrecht who monitors flu patterns for the WHO’s euroflu.org.

Thousands Hospitalized

The pandemic strain, which causes little more than a sore throat, fever and a cough in the majority of cases, has hospitalized more than 4,400 people in Europe to date, according to the ECDC.

H1N1 accounts for more than 99 percent of flu samples tested in Europe, indicating the pandemic virus has supplanted seasonal strains in the region, Paget said in a telephone interview last week. More than 19,000 specimens were positive for H1N1 in Europe during the week ended Nov. 15.

“Normally in flu a season we would have a maximum of 3,000,” he said. “We have never seen so many positive specimens reported per week since 1996, when we started collecting data.”

The U.K. has 180 H1N1 patients in intensive care units, France has 81, the Netherlands 38, Norway 24 and Ireland 20, ECDC said.

Italy, Norway and Sweden reported a “very high intensity” of influenza-like illness or acute respiratory illness in the past week, the ECDC said. Intensity was “high” in Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland and Portugal. The remainder reported predominantly “medium” intensity, it said.

comment: There is definitely a whole lot more to the story - and it will be found.

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John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research
aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide

comment: this is a substitute story posted masking the real story which in the buffer reads as follows...

the truth-

lets head to the Ukraine- as we have been since the start of this thread-

http://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-black-lung-plague-kills-12-in-one-day-2009-11

630,000 Norwegians flu infected

We estimate that just under 630,000 Norwegians are now infected and that nearly half a million were infected just last week.

comment: people have an incredibly short memory. If you will go back over this data- that

500,000 people were infected in a single week- you are going to see that as of November 20-this is when I hit a stone wall- near the time when Ukraine STOPPED COUNTING cases- of hoping to get any idea of what is going on in Norway.

Even if it stayed the same for a week- the following week- we would have more than a million people. In Ukraine- when they hit 1.6 million they stopped counting. Well, of course you are going to have less cases if you don't count- and this is what has been used as  tool to shield the public from accurate numbers of the outbreak.

How many new cases today? How many died last night?

You simply are going to have a real problem find thing. The mutation is in 7 countries now and the "aren't sure"

1) if it is more dangerous- from autopsies with pure black blood filled lungs one would assume this is a worse illness.
2) What is it? Clearly the time to read the sequence is past. What happened with the reports of pneumonic plague?

What is happening is we are getting a restatement of old data and numbers.  Something has to break the dead lock- because data and reports can be held up months (look at Indonesia)

There has to be a way to go beyond the engines to get information. There is.

Med

Country by country- I am tracking this virus as it spreads from what appears to be an origin in the Ukraine. The two most important factors are 1) it is a more virulent more deadly mutated form and 2) it spreads very rapidly. In the cases in Norway I found over 500,000 new cases in a single week.

Since first sitting in (logging into the conference where the Pandemic was announced by Dr. Chan) as the Pandemic was announced the feeling as been- ever since Dr. Webster tagged this as dangerous in 1998 - and then others in 2005 and a triple recombination capable of some real problems- have been waiting for it to break free and become a more virulent and higher CFR pathogen.

The consistent down playing of the this virus an where it might break out in the winter into something much worse is keeping the American people from taking it seriously and preparing. This may cost many many lives that could have been saved.

We need to prepared.

John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research
aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide

We have to assume that this will only get much worse than it already is. WHO already confirms the discovery of new H1N1 strains in both Ukraine and Norway. Scotland and other countries have reported Tamiflu resistant H1N1 strains. The way things appear, it looks like it is only a matter of time before the **** hits the fan. I recommend you do not rely on mainstream media to keep yourselves informed on the Swine Flu Pandemic. Instead, do your own homework and research online. Stay healthy and be safe!

Inaccurate information is being posted. The situation in Norway is not back to normal despite what a source flutrends which is a direct .gov linked information site has stated.

Current situation- hand puppet news or the truth-

H1N1 deaths increase as mutations combine - vaccine & antiviral resistant, lung hemorrhaging virus

The World Health Organization has reported that global deaths from the H1N1 virus have increased by 1000 in the past week. At the same time, the H1N1 virus is mutating, with each mutation causing different effects in patients, and combining in some cases. The national medical laboratory in Britain reported that the H1N1 vaccine would probably not be effective against the variant of the swine flu virus found in the Ukraine flu outbreak. This variant, in which the virus uses D225G as a receptor binding domain, causes bleeding in the lungs. Another H1N1 mutation results in the resistance to treatment with antiviral medication.

Swine flu vaccine won't prevent infection with deadly H1N1 mutated virus

The same mutation that results in acute respiratory damage, due to the location of the viral infection, has been called a "low reactor" to the vaccine. This means that the vaccine will not provide an immune response for that strain of virus adequate to prevent infection.

Lung hemorrhaging caused by swine flu

Lung hemorrhaging is being caused by a swine flu mutation that has been reported in China, Norway, France, and the Ukraine as having a receptor binding domain of D225G. In the United States, there has been a report of fatalities in patients with hemorrhaged lungs, but the mutation has not been confirmed.

Tamiflu-resistant H1N1 mutation

A strain of H1N1 that is resistant to Tamiflu, an antiviral medication, has been found worldwide. Clusters occurred in North Carolina and Wales. One case of H1N1 found in France with the D225G designation was also resistant to Tamiflu.

Swine flu mutation combinations

To date, the H1N1 mutations in the Ukraine have included bleeding in the lungs and resistance to the vaccine, and a case in France included bleeding in the lungs and resistance to antiviral treatment. The common factor appears to be the severe symptom caused by D225G.

John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research
aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide

Medclinician wrote: John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide

You post that you're the current CEO of a Corporation. When you post stuff like that people are bound to question the validity, and they have a right to do so. Anyone can do a "free search" and see that Crystalware's corporate and DBA status was revoked and or terminated in every state you had it briefly registered. It even shows income and employees. I don't see how an ex husband and wife team running a small computer repair shop qualifies as you as a current Chief executive officer. As in the highest-ranking corporate officer or anything even resembling a CEO?

You talk about the Black Lung mutation threat. How can we trust any of it when you tend to exaggerate everything?

jbrovont wrote: What does any of this have to do with the links he posts?

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