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Tuesday, 24. November 2009, 19:47:44 Slovakia, dangers of swine flu, epidemic, disease ... November 22, 6:13 PMLA Health Technology ExaminerVictoria NicksAccording to analysis of genetic testing done by the World Health Organization, the Ukraine flu virus is an H1N1 mutation that is similar to the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic. The two flu virus outbreaks both have changes in the receptor binding domain D225G, and similar symptoms, which include bleeding in the lungs. Current estimates of the deaths attributed to the Ukraine flu outbreak is as many as 400, and increasing daily. comment: this is not to say this is the last take on this pathogen-but the similarity to the 1918 strain makes it more likely to be a problem than it has been so far. John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide |
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Research 1918 Influenza Pandemic Caused by Highly Conserved Viruses with Two Receptor-Binding VariantsAnn H. Reid,* Thomas A. Janczewski,* Raina M. Lourens,* Alex J. Elliot,† Rod S. Daniels,† Colin L. Berry,‡ John S. Oxford,‡§ and Jeffery K. Taubenberger*
The 1918–19 influenza pandemic began, in some parts of the world, with mild outbreaks in the spring of 1918. In the fall of that year, a lethal wave swept the globe. Outbreaks occurred in early September in North America, Europe, and Africa and spread rapidly, so that the disease had peaked and declined worldwide by the end of December (1–4). Many areas had an additional wave of the disease in the early months of 1919. In most communities, the fall wave of the pandemic lasted approximately l month, with 25% to 30% of the population experiencing symptomatic disease. Clinically, epidemiologically, and pathologically, the disease was remarkably uniform, suggesting that similar viruses were causing disease worldwide (5). To assess the homogeneity of the 1918 pandemic influenza virus, partial hemagglutinin (HA) gene sequences were determined for strains from five cases, including two newly identified samples from London, United Kingdom. The strains show 98.9% to 99.8% nucleotide sequence identity. One of the few differences between the strains maps to the receptor-binding site of HA, which suggests that two receptor-binding configurations were co-circulating during the pandemic. Influenza A virus is capable of rapid genetic change in mammals (6–8). Its polymerase complex lacks proofreading capability, such that one in five virus particles produced is likely to contain a change at one of its approximately 13,500 nt (9). If such a change provides the virus with a competitive advantage, that strain quickly replaces its predecessor. In humans, the need to escape preexisting immunity exerts positive selection pressure on changes in amino acids comprising the antigenic sites of the surface glycoproteins, HA and neuraminidase (NA) (6,10). The process of progressive change in the antigenic properties of the virus is called antigenic drift and results in the emergence of an antigenically distinct variant strain every 2–3 years. Between drift epidemics, the influenza virus appears to be antigenically uniform (11), but the degree of genetic uniformity has not been studied extensively. In pandemic influenza, one or both of the virus’s surface proteins are replaced with proteins to which the human population has no preexisting immunity (6,12). The virus then spreads explosively, producing symptomatic infection in up to one third of most populations. During the rapid initial spread of a pandemic strain, little antigenic pressure on the virus exists. One might expect the genetic structure under these circumstances to be relatively constant. However, the degree of genetic identity among viral isolates during a pandemic is not known. Very few full-length HA sequences of viruses from the peaks of the 1957 and 1968 pandemics are available, and all of these viruses had been grown at least once in eggs before sequencing—a process that can select for an unpredictable number of sequence changes (13,14). Therefore, this study represents an initial attempt to measure the degree of genetic homogeneity of a pandemic virus. Since the sequences have been obtained directly from clinical material, they contain no sequence changes attributable to culture. Materials and MethodsPatients and SamplesThe genetic sequences encoding the HA1 domains of three 1918 influenza strains have been determined (15,16). Two of the strains came from U.S. soldiers who died on September 26, 1918: one in Camp Upton, New York, and one in Fort Jackson, South Carolina. The third came from an Inuit woman who died in mid-November 1918 in a remote village on the Seward Peninsula of Alaska. To obtain further samples for analysis, we examined autopsy material of 14 patients who died in the fall and winter of 1918 to 1919. The material consisted of formalin-fixed, paraffin-embedded tissues, stained slides, and clinical records from the files of the Morbid Anatomy Department of the Royal London Hospital. The cases were preselected by histologic criteria for further analysis, and samples were taken from patients who died from acute influenza after clinical courses of <1 week (16–18). Of these 14 lung samples, 4 were positive for influenza RNA on subsequent molecular genetic analysis, but only 2 had sufficient material for HA1 sequencing. The first patient was a 50-year-old woman admitted to the hospital on November 12, 1918, with influenza and pneumonia. She died on November 13. The postmortem diagnosis was bronchopneumonia. The second patient was a 25-year-old man admitted to the hospital on February 13, 1919. He died on February 15 of influenza. The postmortem diagnosis was lobar pneumonia with toxemia. MethodsSample preparation, reverse transcription, polymerase chain reaction (PCR), and sequencing were performed as described previously (15). (Primers used are available upon request.) PCR was performed from at least two separate reverse transcription reactions, and products from at least two PCR reactions were sequenced in each case to ensure accuracy and exclude amplification artifacts. Sequences used to evaluate the complexity of pandemic and epidemic influenza strains were obtained from the Influenza Sequence Database (available from: URL: http://www.flu.lanl.gov/). Results
The 563-bp fragments sequenced for this study, encoding the antigenic and receptor-binding sites of the HA1 domain (19–21), represent the most variable portion of the influenza genome (Figure). The London cases were designated A/London/1/1918 (H1N1) and A/London/1/1919 (H1N1). These two sequences, when compared to the three previously sequenced North American strains (15), differ from each other by 1 nt to 3 nt, showing a sequence identity of 98.9% to 99.8%. A/London/1/1918 shows 2 nt differences, compared to A/Brevig Mission/1/1918, one of which would change the amino acid at codon 188 from G to S (amino acid numbering is aligned to the H3 influenza HA). This residue is near several of the residues that have been shown experimentally to affect receptor-binding specificity of H1 HAs (21–23) and next to one of the mapped Sb antigenic site residues (19,20). A/London/1/1919 shows 3 nt differences from A/Brevig Mission/1/1918, 2 of which are nonsynonymous, resulting in changes of V223I and D225G. The V223I change is near Ca antigenic site residues, and the D225G change is at a residue that functions both in receptor-binding and as a Ca antigenic site residue. Amino acid 225 also varies among North American strains; A/New York/1/1918, like A/London/1/1919, has a glycine at position 225, as do most avian influenza strains. A/South Carolina/1/1918 and A/Brevig Mission/1/1918, like A/London/1/1918 and most subsequent human H1 strains, have aspartic acid at this position (Figure) (15). The relative genetic homogeneity of the 1918–19 isolates encouraged us to analyze sequences from the 1957 and 1968 pandemics. GenBank contains complete HA1 domain–encoding sequences for eight 1957 H2N2 strains. As noted in previous studies of receptor-binding specificity (22,24), the 1957 strains have undergone varying passage histories, but all have been passed at least once. Three of the strains have been sequenced more than once and differ by as many as 8 nt within the same strain. Between sequences, the number of nucleotide differences ranges from only 1 nt difference between A/Chile/6/1957 and A/Davis/1/1957 to 12 differences between one of the A/Japan/305/1957 sequences and one of the A/Singapore/1/1957 sequences. Overall, the sequences show 98.9% to 99.9% identity at the nucleotide level, and 98.5% to 100% identity at the amino acid level. More limited sequence data are available for the 1968 H3N2 pandemic strains. The complete HA1 domain sequence is available for only three strains, two of which have been sequenced twice each. The two A/NT/60/68/29C sequences differ by 4 nt. The most divergent sequences differ by 24 nt (A/NT/60/68/29C vs. A/Hong Kong/1/68), thus showing 97.6% to 100% identity between sequences at the nucleotide level, and 96.0% to 100% identity at the amino acid level. Studies from epidemic years have yielded similar results. A 2001 study (25) examined variation in the HA gene of human H3N2 viruses in Spain from 1996 to 2000. During this time, strains antigenically similar to A/Wuhan/359/1995 were replaced by strains similar to A/Sydney/5/1997 and then by strains similar to A/Panama/2007/1999. Within the groups of viruses belonging to each antigenic group, sequence variation was minimal. For example, among the viruses that reacted antigenically with Sydney, but not Panama and Wuhan, 2–10 nt differences occurred over the 591 nt sequenced (98.3% to 99.7% identity). An unpublished study provides sequences of the HA1 domain of the H3-subtype HA of 16 A/Sydney/05/1997-like (H3N2) influenza virus isolates circulating in Canada during the 1997/98 influenza epidemic season (GenBank no. AF087700–AF087702, AF087707, AF087708, AF096306–AF096316) (26). Two of the isolates had identical sequences, while the others varied by 1 nt to 14 nt over 981 nt (98.6% to 100% identity). DiscussionThe three North American 1918 influenza strains sequenced previously were isolated from patients separated by nearly 2 months in time and almost 4,000 miles in distance (27). Two nucleotide differences were found among these three strains, one of which resulted in an amino acid substitution in the receptor-binding site (15). All three cases likely derived from the initial introduction of the fall wave into the United States, believed to have occurred in Boston in early September 1918. The virus then spread rapidly from Camp Devens, Massachusetts, the first U.S. army base to experience the epidemic, which then reached army bases throughout the eastern United States within 2 weeks (2). Influenza probably reached Brevig Mission, Alaska, via Seattle, Washington. The pandemic reached Camp Lewis, Washington, in mid-September, following the arrival of a troop ship from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (1,2), and spread to Seattle by late September. After careful screening to exclude sick passengers, a ship left Seattle for Nome, Alaska, in mid-October, but days after its arrival local residents began falling ill (1). An account of the pandemic as it occurred in Brevig Mission reports that visitors from Nome brought the disease to the village in November (28). This chain of events suggests that the Alaskan outbreak was not the result of a separate introduction of the 1918 influenza from Asia to the West Coast of the United States. The spring wave of the 1918 epidemic was widespread in France and Spain during April and May but did not reach England until June. The fall wave also arrived somewhat later in England than in continental Europe and the United States; peak mortality in London occurred during the first 2 weeks of November (2). A second peak occurred in the third week of February 1919. One strain from each of these peaks was sequenced for this study. Our results show that strains separated by over 7,500 miles (Brevig Mission, Alaska, to London, United Kingdom) and several months (September 26, 1918, to February 15, 1919) share a sequence identity of 99%. This level of genetic homogeneity is slightly higher than that seen for the available 1957 and 1968 pandemic strains, but the 1957 and 1968 strains were not sequenced directly from clinical material. Sequences from different passages of the same strain were sometimes as different from each other as they were from other strains (29), suggesting that sequence heterogeneity observed was the result of culture adaptation, making it impossible to determine how homogeneous the pandemic viruses actually were. Even so, the 1957 and 1968 pandemic strains show >97% identity between strains. Similar levels of genetic homogeneity were seen in strains from case-patients isolated from a drift epidemic in 1997. Thus, influenza viruses circulating during a single outbreak, whether epidemic or pandemic, show levels of sequence identity consistent with the uniformity of the 1918 cases. Despite the uniformity of the 1918 strains, one of the variable sites is an amino acid known to be important in receptor binding (21). At a subset of amino acids critical for receptor binding, avian strains differ from swine H1s at only one amino acid, E190D (15). At these amino acids, two of the cases (A/New York/1/1918 and A/London/1/1919) are identical to that of A/sw/Iowa/1976/31 (a classical swine strain). The other 1918 cases have an additional change from the avian consensus at amino acid 225. Since swine viruses with the same receptor site as A/sw/Iowa/1976/31 bind both SAa2,3Gal and SAa2,6Gal (14), A/New York/1/1918 and A/London/1/1919 probably also had the capacity to bind both receptors. Because two of five 1918-19 analyzed fall wave strains from case-patients have the swine-like receptor-binding pattern, the E190D change alone is apparently sufficient to allow viral replication in the human respiratory tract. However, the existence of three strains with the additional G225D change shows that both receptor-binding variants were co-circulating throughout the pandemic. The current evidence does not suggest progression from one receptor-binding pattern to the other during the pandemic, since the two variants are present, on both continents, both early and late in the pandemic. Since residue 225 has also been identified as part of the Ca antigenic site (19), the co-circulating strains possibly differed in antigenic reactivity as well as receptor-binding characteristics. This study is the first to examine the genetic homogeneity of a pandemic influenza virus directly from clinical material. The results suggest that in the early stages of a pandemic, mutations that occur during replication do not become fixed so that a uniform consensus strain circulates for some time. Studies of influenza strains circulating after 1919 should provide insight into how pandemic viruses evolve after the initial waves through immunologically vulnerable populations. In terms of pandemic planning, our results indicate that a specific antiviral drug or vaccine would have a uniform effect during the important and often lethal first wave of a pandemic (30,31).
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China reports 8 cases of swine flu mutation
By GILLIAN WONG (AP) 3 hours ago BEIJING China has detected eight cases of swine flu mutation, a health official said Wednesday, amid longstanding concerns among scientists that the virus could change into a more dangerous form. Last week, the World Health Organization said it was investigating samples of variant swine flu linked to two deaths in Norway. But Shu Yuelong, director of the Chinese National Influenza Center, told the official Xinhua News Agency that the mutated swine flu virus found China has shown an "isolated" spread in the mainland, is not resistant to drugs and can be prevented by vaccines. The report did not provide any more details, such as when the cases were detected and if they were linked to any deaths. Calls to the National Influenza Center rang unanswered while the Health Ministry did not immediately respond to a faxed list of questions. Swine flu has triggered a global pandemic, and scientists are worried that swine flu could mutate into a more dangerous or more infectious form or swap genes with seasonal or other types of flu. On Friday, the WHO said it was looking into two deaths and one severe case linked to variant swine flu in Norway, after that country's Institute of Public Health announced that the mutation could possibly cause more severe disease because it infects tissue deeper in the airway than usual. The same mutation has been found in both fatal and mild cases elsewhere, including in Brazil, Japan, Mexico, Ukraine, and the United States, said the WHO. WHO's spokeswoman in Beijing, Vivian Tan, said the agency is aware of three such cases in China that occurred in June and July that were similar to the cases being investigated in Norway. Tan said WHO had no information on the cases mentioned in the Xinhua report Wednesday. There is no evidence the mutated swine flu virus is circulating widely in the world, Tan said, but since it has been linked to deaths in Norway and elsewhere, investigators are focusing on whether this mutation could be a marker for more severe disease. "We are concerned, but realize that influenza viruses, including A/H1N1, are relatively unstable and change easily, especially as they infect more people," Tan told The Associated Press. "Some mutations can have minimal effects on how a virus functions, while other mutations can create important changes with significant public health impact." China's Health Ministry said Wednesday that 51 swine flu deaths were reported last week, bringing the total number of fatalities in the country to 104. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2RvxZISRaAf9N1waUNDVrzs7FhgD9C6HR901 |
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China has amazingly low fatalities.. doing very well so far.
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Brazil
Japan
Mexico
Ukraine
United States
China
Same mutaion in vastly different locations around the globe. Does that sound like random events to anyone?
I think the offical (Random Events) theory needs to be challenged scientifically.
And another thought, why did we not here about the US mutations until after the fact.
this is unacceptable (Time to get rid of the PR people who are restricting the information based on what they feel the public needs to know)
Honesty is the best policy (Period) (No Debate)
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And another thought, why did we not here about the US mutations until after the fact.
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hi.. the various strains are no secret... they are there on the internet. No, they were not in the ... Popular Press. I'm remembering all the blather from W.H.O. on how the Public needs information and honesty at all times. We have to expect to see the changes in strains all over the globe due to civil transport. It doesn't take that long for viruses to travel the globe. The reason they say the vaccine will hold is due to the fact that the really nasty parts of the virus are in the vaccine. :/ and the live mist will get it around pretty good.
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Really, I think someone would have caught that (D225G) had it been released (US).
Do you have the link with date posted???
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hiya Mahs... Yes It was up... I had it on the Ukraine thread (but Albert tossed the whole thread, not sure why he would do that?)
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Influenza A H1N1: What is going on?
Front page / World / Europe 01.12.2009 Source: Pages: 12 Deadly mutations reported in Ukraine. Reports of thousands of people lying dead in quarantined areas cordoned off by the Government. Autopsy report: “The lungs are as black as charcoal. They look like they have been burnt. It’s terrifying”. WHO confirms the virus is mutating. Where is the story in the international media and what is going on? Alarming development However, a closer examination of the facts point towards an alarming development which has not been picked up by the mainstream media: a mutation of H1N1 into something far more sinister, a parallel to Spanish Flu which killed between 50 and 70 million people between 1919 and 1920, in which the victim dies due to the total destruction of the lungs. Professor Victor Bachinsky, Head of the Chernivtsi regional forensic bureau, declared in an interview with Anna Yashchenko* that 22 victims in Bukovina died as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e. the total destruction of the lungs. This declaration would back up the anonymous claim by another western Ukrainian doctor, who claimed that “The lungs are as black as charcoal. They look like they have been burnt. It’s terrifying”. For Professor Bachinsky, “This is a viral attack that destroys the lungs…Once the virus enters the lungs, haemorrhaging begins immediately in the acinus”. What kills the patients in Ukraine is not pneumonia, but cardiogenic shock. After the haemorrhaging starts, fibrin is formed in the blood and this in turn gives rise to the creation of a giolinovaya membrane, which envelops the acinus in the lungs and the oxygen people breathe in is not transferred to the tissues. There ensues cardio-pulmonary insufficiency and the patient suffocates. WHO confirms mutation The World Health Organization has confirmed that the same mutation in H1N1 has occurred in Ukraine and Norway, while there have been reports of the same mutation having been observed in two states in the USA, Iowa and North Carolina – and in Hong Kong, the Department of Health has recorded a similar situation. In Iowa, Dr. Gregory Schmunk told KCCI news that a number of cases of “haemorrhagic lungs, with a lot of blood in them” had been reported in H1N1 patients. What is happening? What to do? A mask provides 30% protection against the virus, wearing glasses a further 10%. Disinfecting all surfaces with alcohol-based gel, washing the hands regularly and rubbing them with gel after touching surfaces such as taps and keyboards, and remembering never to touch the mouth, nose or eyes, will increase the chances of preventing the virus from entering the body. Boosting the immune system by eating garlic, ginger root, fruit and vegetables also increases the chances of successfully fighting off the disease. What people should not do is self-medicate, especially with anti-biotics, which apart from being totally ineffective, reduce the immune system and render the host more vulnerable. *Original in www.unian.net/rus/news/news-346721.html Source: www.russiansentry.com Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY |
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I didn't remove the thread. I simply removed the sticky topic. Scroll down the News Forum until you find it Mary? You little news hound....
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Mutations in the USA
so last week I saw 4 in NC , 3 of which died. And a couple in Iowa. Now they are reporting Maryland and an increase in numbers. WHO confirmed this is the one that is Tamiflu resistant and that it has changed too much for the vaccine to prevent it. I finally found a paper that seems interested in reporting. Ill pop some links below. The infected numbers are still small. From those six or so to 96 reported. Lets just hope it doesnt spread the way it did overseas. WHO swine flu update: Tamiflu-resistant (H275Y) cases of H1N1 flu have nearly doubled in two weekshttp://www.examiner.com/x-29228-LA-Health-Technology-Examiner~y2009m12d2-WHO-swine-flu-update-Tamifluresistant-H275Y-cases-of-H1N1-flu-have-nearly-doubled-in-two-weeks Swine flu vaccine ineffective against low reactor H1N1 influenza virus found in Ukraine flu outbreakhttp://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-29228-LA-Health-Technology-Examiner~y2009m11d29-Swine-flu-vaccine-ineffective-against-low-reactor-H1N1-influenza-virus-found-in-Ukraine-flu-outbreakAt the bottom of these articles are links to more. It looks like they are devoting some time to this issue finally. |
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I was wondering why an army over there was being given onions to ward off the flu.
It might be to try to stop the formation of fibrin in the blood. I hope it works.
Found this:
(There must be some studies done somewhere on onions/fibrin, but I don't have the time to look anything up now.)
Onion Effects on CholesterolIt is well known that increasing one's consumption of a wide range of vegetables has a fountain of youth effect on health. Each of these veggies has a strong point, and the humble onion's special power lies in cardiovascular support. As well as being a rich source of anti-inflammatory sulfur compounds, insulin-controlling chromium, and osteoporosis-preventing GPCS, the onion has been scientifically shown to significantly lower cholesterol.
Significance(I read years ago, somewhere, maybe in one of Jean Carper's books , that the small yellow onion is the most medicinal. 1/2 onion a day. Not to overdo it, because the blood can get too thin after a couple of weeks of too much onion daily.)
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That story sounds exactly like the early November story we debunked last month. I didn't check the links but the wording sounds exactly the same. When I have time I'll check to see if it's the same story reprinted a month later. |
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Tech- I have no doubt you have a stash of Relenza and you have debunked nothing. That is the purity of your posts - almost no relevant information verus personal attacks on me and my family. This has been your MO- crime stopper since we began this dance and it will be until you are either in a safe haven with your friends with people on the surface dying who actually listened to you and did not prepare. Almost zip Tech for a Tech. Didn't you read Dr. Webster, Lancet, and over a thousand references I have quoted that are not taboid, but many that are rock solid science? Obviously not. We have been setting up sanctuary- so its been busy. You have nothing to post but main stream misinformation garbage. And heavily sedated propaganda from Google which is in bed with .gov. You realize people are not comatose. You are the primary force on this site and if you don't own it, you might as well. And this is not personal Tech. I have been at this medical thing a lifetime. I know my stuff. Start posting like you know yours. Science. Stop attacking posts and put up something that is not rewarmed garbage to sedate the masses. Not only are you not going to save any lives, you are going to cost a lot of people theirs who listen to you say there is no problem. I have some time today to go back and grab more data- to make some global phone calls and play catch up. Thanks to the posters who are contributing real and useful tracking of what is really the Third Wave in the U.S. The virus has mutated so some is resistant to Relenza.. and because of the mutation- you have yet to post a single viable piece of data that the vaccine even works period. Your comment was.. well can you prove it doesn't. Whatever you are being paid by whoever is not enough for the lives that will be lost by trying to keep the public in the dark. We will continue to track this- either here or whatever we need to. What happens will happen. And you will be explaining to the bodies on the ground that they have nothing to worry about. John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide PI Synchro-Phaser Data Compression Project as per SP Initiative. |
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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-12/01/content_12567446.htm
The mutation continues to spread Italy reports first case of A/H1N1 mutation ROME, Nov. 30 (Xinhua) -- The Italian Health Ministry on Monday reported the first case of mutation of the A/H1N1 flu string. The ministry said the mutation was identified in a patient with a serious case of pneumonia, who has recovered after treatment with antiviral drugs. According to the country's Higher Institute of Health, the variant found in Italy is unrelated to the one blamed for three deaths in Norway and two others in France last week. Italian authorities have attributed 91 deaths to the new flu out of an estimated 3 million infections and the government has vaccinated nearly half a million of its citizens. Deputy Health Minister Ferruccio Fazio said the single mutation of the A/H1N1 flu virus reported in Italy so far was of no particular concern. "This variant is limited to a single patient that we know of ... (it) was kept from spreading," Fazio said. Vaccination and antiviral treatments were still effective against the mutation, according to the Health Ministry. Fazio said the government would likely extend the vaccination campaign this week to children between six months and 17 years of age, in addition to seniors over 65 suffering from chronic illnesses. Though the mutations have stirred
fears about potentially dangerous new strains, the World Health
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Dear Penham or Albert, Please don't delete this thread, Med's or this post. People need to see that Med flames me continually.
If it get's deleted like his other flames then people won't see both sides of the argument or why med only has 1,635 posts left out of his 7,000-10,000 he has posted here over the years. Med I've totally ignored you for a few days and avoided reading your posts yet you're still flaming away, harassing, insulting, insinuating and begging for a fight. Some people don't catch that you tend to flame people that don't agree with you non stop. You flame and then you delete hundreds of your posts or the Admin here deletes your posts and threads. I catch them as I index this site before you can delete them. Med this is just one of three posts in that last 24 hours where you Falsely accuse me of some seriously atrocious, brutal and cruel acts against the people in this forum. You say I'm Killing People. -False That I'm a Paid Government Agent -False That I own This Forum to spread false information -False I have no admin privileges, Ask Albert or Penham. That I personally attack your Family. -False Note: I live almost 3000 miles away :) and posting links to your decades of fiction is the Truth not an attack. I was nice to your X-wife when she posted here. That I have stashes if "Hidden" Relenza - False I told people here how to order Relenza from Canada for $55 shipped to their door and spend the time to help them get scripts from their doctor. That I have a secret "underground" safe haven with my friends and people will be dying on the surface because I didn't tell them to prepare. -False That all I post is main stream misinformation and garbage. -False That I'm in Bed with the .gov -False That I post Rewarmed Garbage -False That the Vacinne does not Work because I haven't Proved it. -False That people are Paying me to keep the public in the dark and lives that will be lost because of my posts. -False I tell people to prep for any event. I have 2.5 year worth of preps I would have more but at some point it becomes wasteful, costly and fills up your house. I've given reviews on long term food storage and helped people pickup generators and solar cells. I've helped them, presented articles on how to protect themselves in a Pandemic and posted where they can find vaccines and even how to create makeshift shelters in a power outage. This last week I've presented CDC and WHO articles showing that 5 million people "a year" are dying of AIDS and TB . That 2 Billon People have TB and that it makes the 8,000 worldwide Swine Flu deaths so far look trivial in comparison. How the heck is that calming and sedating the Masses? Our arguments are simple Facts verses Fiction. We know who spent the last 30 years creating Fiction.
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Readers have seen a great deal although almost 50 incredibly attacking flames of my family, my profession, my sanity, proof of my claims, and anything giving weight to me being anything more than a simple laymen have all been conveniently deleted. Tech- you and several (other) users flamed my wife when she incredible ill with Swine Flu- made fun of my son- and we beneath the dignity of a high school freshman. It is convenient to portray yourself as the poor injuried party after a 5 month combined team? of flaming-but people simply got fed up. Now you can stop- and there is no evidence of the horrific mass of flames you have posted because you have deleted them. I know who you are. As anyone with any common sense would. The obsession with the welfare of the site, specific instructions to posters to go and check IPs- and 101 clues as to an extremely powerful access to the site as well as a more than normal concern and an almost hourly presence here pretty much tells the story. You have neatly erased- or someone has all evidence- but users do have memories. And even their posts telling you to knock it off are gone. You are not going to neatly wrap this up leaving a single angry post from me after hundreds of attacking personal ones- putting up my wife's picture, calling her fat, attacking my son- back off Tech or I will post what you are and what you have done somewhere else where you will not be able to erase it. You are not the only one who can capture posts Tech. Would you like to see several hundred of yours reposted. My posts were deleted because I have been deleted 14 times from this site for disagreeing and posting the truth- i.e. 500,000 cases of Swine Flu in New York- that vaccine was toxic, and a lot of things that were sensistive. A letter from president was deleted- I have been called delusional, had plastic surgeon play psychiatrist- and then even when I have deleted posts thinking them better left deleted you have reposted them after capturing them. Tech- you do not truly care for the users here. You have flamed doctors, relatives, you even attacked my sister in law posting what now has been made private journals. You have called me a drug addict, insane. Now I post as a real name and your fully accountable for what you have posted. Just because it has been erased, does not mean I don't have it. There is no cute fight between you and I. Who has tried to take over and control this site in whatever form you take- and naturally so - Tech. I know in the end I will be stepping over bodies and out there with Dr. John Ray trying to help people hit with the nastiest mutated flu you can imagine. And you will have a black screen and no internet to cover your months of telling people not to worry and not to prepare. I have consistently tried to warn people and bring them the truth. You have consistently attacked anyone that you personally disagreed with. You have behaved like a child on an adult forum. Rarely have I fought back. But when you attacked my almost dying son, that was it Tech. That was the last straw. And that is what you did- attacked my nearly dying wife and son. I thank God they made it through. Bluebird was trying to fight you while her son was burning up with a 104.5 degree fever. I leave it to the Pandemic- but be sure- as you preached there was no danger- surely you may have done much damage in keeping people from stocking food, water, and medicine with your perpetual .1% CFR. Yes, how neatly it was all wiped out. But some, including me who deeply loves my son and my wife who you flamed- will never forget. Medclinician John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide This is the little child you attacked with your arrogant posts. My son. Skye. |
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Now that Tech has once again tried to divert a very important thread let us continue.
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http://vactruth.com/2009/12/04/patent-application-suggests-influenza-vaccines-likely-contaminated-and-can-induce-inadvertent-infections/
Patent Application Suggests Influenza Vaccines Likely Contaminated and Can Induce Inadvertent InfectionsPatent application title: DECREASING POTENTIAL IATROGENIC RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH INFLUENZA VACCINESInventors: Jens-Peter Gregersen
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Finally the big drug company bust
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Your still a LOSER..Med..posting pictures of your child to win favor with the sheep is an irresponsible act ...one that may need additional scrutiny.RC
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Shocking H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Stories From Pregnant Women – Tell Your Doctors That Vaccines And Pregnancy Do Not Mix!< ="http://api.tweetmeme.com/.js?=http%3A%2F%2Fvactruth.com%2F2009%2F11%2F28%2Fshocking-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-miscarriage-stories-from-pregnant-women-%25e2%2580%2593-tell-your-doctors-that-vaccines-and-pregnancy-do-not-mix%2F&style=normal" scrolling="no" width="50" border="0" height="61">> < ="http://widgets.fbshare.me/s/fbshare.php?=http://vactruth.com/2009/11/28/shocking-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-miscarriage-stories-from-pregnant-women-%e2%80%93-tell-your-doctors-that-vaccines-and-pregnancy-do-not-mix/&title=Shocking%20H1N1%20Swine%20Flu%20Vaccine%20Miscarriage%20Stories%20From%20Pregnant%20Women%20%E2%80%93%20Tell%20Your%20Doctors%20That%20Vaccines%20And%20Pregnancy%20Do%20Not%20Mix%21%20&size=large&google_analytics=true" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no" width="53" border="0" height="69">> Source: Organic Health U.S. health authorities have made pregnant women one of the highest priority groups for getting the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, but is it actually safe for pregnant women and their babies? Well, the truth is that miscarriage reports from pregnant women who have taken the H1N1 swine flu vaccine are starting to pour in from all over the nation. Vaccines and pregnancy simply do not mix safely. In fact, the package inserts for the swine flu vaccines actually say that the safety of these vaccines for pregnant women has not been established. What you are about to read below should shock and anger you. If they are telling us that the swine flu vaccine is not safe for children under 6 months of age, then why in the world would it be safe for pregnant women and their babies? That doesn’t make an ounce of sense, does it? The following H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories are from a June 2010 birth club….. EBWashington: I am so upset. I was so excited to be pregnant after trying for a year. As soon as I found out I was pregnant, I joined this birth club and I was due June 25th. We have two healthy boys with no history of miscarriage. Everything was going great. Last Monday, I got the H1N1 vaccine thimerosal reduced (mercury reduced for pregnant women). On Tuesday morning, I started cramping and on Wednesday I started bleeding heavily. My hcg was 50 on Wednesday and I was almost 6 weeks along so it was low. They still thought that I might be pregnant but on Friday my hcg was down to 22. I am an emotional wreck. I feel like I had a healthy baby and I caused this by getting the H1N1 vaccine. My doctors pushed it. I researched online and there have been many miscarriages after the H1N1 vaccine but they haven’t been reported since it is hard to say what caused the miscarriages. I hope that I did not cause this. I wish everyone the best. Tayla08 I don’t have an answer for you, but a friend of a friend just had a miscarriage 2-3 days after getting the shot. She was 7weeks. She had no previous history of m/c… No one can answer if they’re related…it hasn’t been out long enough and there haven’t been any studies done on pregnant women. I will tell you, that it has made up my mind on getting it…I won’t and I’m not going to get it for my DD either. My daughter and I both had H1N1 last week, and although it truly sucks…I think I’ll take my chances. One doctor will tell you to get it and the next will tell you not too…you have to do what’s in your heart. 90707 my heart goes out to you as i recently miscarried as well and was due in june. i had a healthy heart beat at 6wks. then at 7.5 wks my son got the h1n1 mist vaccine which has live vaccine in it. the nurse said to be careful b/c it could technically spread if he rubbed his nose and touched a surface etc. the next night i miscarried and 5 days later was diagnosed with h1n1. i work from home, kids are home, hadnt been anywhere during that time. so the chances that it is all related are very high. the flu mist vaccine warns for immunocompromised patients (which includes prego) to stay away from recipients of the flu mist for 21 days. This next set of H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories is from an About.com page about miscarriage….. Jo: I got the flu vaccine (regular not H1N1) at 8 weeks pregnant. Three days later I miscarried. I am not going to get the H1N1. Regrets: I got both vaccines on Thursday. I was 9 weeks pregnant. I miscarried on Sunday. I was told by several doctors to get these vaccines. Now I wish I followed my gut feeling and not get them at ALL! : i work in a hospital like setting and was told ‘the benefits outweigh the risks” 1am i got the vaccine, 3am i started bleeding and craming, 3pm miscarried. you decide sue: I had the H1N1 vaccination and 24 hours later had a miscarriage. Linda Hill: My daughter in law was 10 weeks pregnant and had the H1N1 vaccine on Friday that night she miscarried. SoSorry: I was so ready to get the H1N1 vaccine last week and they were only giving them to pregnant women. I was 6 weeks along and got it and the next day I started cramping and miscarried. I already had two healthy pregnancies and never miscarried or had any problems. My doctors think I am crazy to think it was the H1N1 but if no one looks into this than other women will not know. I am so sorry that I got it. Connie: I also received the H1N1 vaccination on October 22nd, 2009 and went into labor on October 25th, at 16 weeks pregnant and we just heard the heartbeat and everything was fine with my pregnancy on October 16th, 2009, then on October 28th my water broke then on October 29th, I delivered a stillborn baby boy, and no one can tell me why…Everyone wants to say it did not come from the shot but I believe it did. My baby was growing at the correct pace and everyone wants to brush off the vaccination. I say if you have the vaccination and suffer a miscarriage if they are able to perform an autopsy have it done. I also agree something needs to be done and looked more into with this vaccination because most women are being advised it’s just something that happens, but I also had two healthy children normal pregnancies and when I received this vaccination with my third pregnancy, my baby is gone. sioux falls, south dakota: I received the H1N1 vaccine on October 16th and started experiencing cramping on the 22nd. I was nearly 17 weeks pregnant and gave birth to a stillborn baby boy on the 23rd. Like many of the other women here, the first thing I suspected was the H1N1 vaccine. I immediately asked a nurse at the hospital if that would have anything to do with it. Without hesitation, she told me “absolutely not.” I had reservations about getting the vaccine, but followed the advice of my long trusted family doctor. In a follow up appointment with my doctor 3 days after I lost my baby, I asked him if the vaccine would have had any adverse effects on my baby. He also said that it was not possible. I don’t believe that my doctor was necessarily lying to me, he was simply following the accepted practices and opinions of his field. I do, however, believe that as a nation, we are being lied to. This vaccine is NOT safe during pregnancy. There has not been enough testing done to determine this and there are far too many “coincidences” for this to be anything but a result of a vaccine that was hastily pushed into production and distribution in an effort to stop widespread panic. I have read so many stories in defense of the vaccine that will talk about how common miscarriages are, but I would challenge you to ask ANY health care professional how common second trimester miscarriages are. My baby was doing perfect developmentally and I had felt him move earlier that day. My heart goes out to all of you out there who have had to go through the same heartache and loss that I have had in the last couple of weeks. There is no reason that any woman or family should have to go through this. Get the word out to all of the pregnant women that you know. I know that if I had heard that women had been losing their babies shortly after they received the vaccine, I would have followed my gut and not gotten it myself. Maybe then Wyatt would have had a chance at life. Marina Rossi: I recently got the H1N1 vaccine and miscarried 3 days later. I thought it could have been the vaccine but didnt ask. After finding this site I believe it was the vaccine. Sorry to everyone else out there who has just experienced a miscarriage. kathy-sd: I’m from a town of 2000 in SD, there are several women pregnant and we are all due within a few weeks of each other. Four of us got the H1N1 vaccine 2 weeks ago and one by one each of us started to have preterm contractions. We are all due in Nov and Dec so we are further along than most of the people that lost their babies. There is no way you can tell us that our preterm labor was not caused by the H1N1 vaccine. It may look like a “fluke” to some people when these women are scattered all over the country but we are talking about 4 of us in our small community. My heart goes out to all of you that lost your babies. ashley: Im not sure but not only myself, i know someone that withing 4 days of getting the shot we both miscarried, i was only 6 weeks and she was 4 months along, not sure if the shot caused it and cant find any other information but i am a little concerned about this coincidence. Time Machine: I got a flu shot in pregnancy, developed incredibly strange symptoms immediately (numb hands, feet and mouth, heart palpitations, sudden weakness in my legs, a bright red face), began bleeding and miscarried by 11 weeks. I had no idea there was mercury in most flu shots but once I found out after the fact, I was assured that I’d had the “mercury free” form. As it turned out, the shot wasn’t completely mercury free and, according to the EPA website, it still had 5,000 times the limit for mercury in drinking water– not to mention a list of other toxins (MSG, formaldehyde, etc.). I’d had no idea the shots were so dirty. I guess I’d been under the impression they were something like sterile water and a dead virus, that’s it. The strange symptoms– which I’d been told were “just pregnancy” lasted six months. No one could figure out what was wrong with me, why I couldn’t make stairs, why I felt like I’d been shot with novocaine. I learned later from a book by Jane Hightower that these were all symptoms of mercury exposure. I guess I’m one of those susceptible people. No one in my family is getting the H1N1– no one even gets regular flu shots anymore, we all read labels. If you are a pregnant mother, please do not take the H1N1 swine flu vaccine. Instead, do everything that you can do to avoid public places and make sure to wash your hands more than you usually would. Take extra large doses of immunity building vitamins and research many of the great natural ways for fighting the flu that are out there on the Internet. The truth is that if you do take the vaccine and then something happens, you will NOT be able to sue anyone (thanks to Congress). You will have to bear all the responsibility yourself. That doctor who kept pushing and pushing it on you will tell you that it could not have been the vaccine and that you probably would have miscarried anyway. Do you honestly want to inject a vaccine that may contain mercury, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80 (associated with infertility), triton X100 (a strong detergent), phenoxyethanol (antifreeze) and a whole bunch of other toxic ingredients into your system when you know that your baby will absorb it too and has no defenses against most of these things? In the very short video posted below, you will see one health expert explain to Sean Hannity that not even the swine flu vaccine package insert says that it is safe for pregnant women…..
< id=":d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" code="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0" width="480" height="385">< name="allowFullScreen" value="true">< name="allowaccess" value="always">< name="" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VQwaHxlHJuE&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999">< name="allowFullScreen" value="true">< ="application/x-shockwave-flash" ="http://www.youtube.com/v/VQwaHxlHJuE&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999" allowfullscreen="true" allowaccess="always" width="480" height="385">> The reality is that if you are pregnant, you need to hear what both sides have to say before ever subjecting your baby to the swine flu vaccine. You do NOT want to end up like one of the mothers above. Please help us out by sharing this information with as many people as you can. If you know of any additional H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories please post them below in the comments section. Why the vaccine is unsafe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQwaHxlHJuE&feature=player_embedded Medclinician |
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I knew this would draw you out RC- you are Techs mirror. You totally ignore the fact of personal information posted by you and Tech which should never have been put up. There is no hoax except that perhaps you are one and the same person as several other users. It was the attacks on my family and my son that was a loser thing to do. And I am merely reminding the users despite a cover up of deleting entire threads to erase the monstrous attack on my family by several users. For months it was denied we even had Swine Flu until my son tested positive. When Bluebird came to my defense to combat your lies I was not what I claimed the thread was erased. When another user posted a newspaper article backing up it was erased. There is no cheap shot here. It is just exposing irresponsible flaming for almost 6 months which has been covered up. I could not believe when we were all terribly sick the incredible attacks on my wife and family. What is your problem? You think you will destroy thousands of my posts and research on Swine Flu with this ridiculous trolling. You won't. People aren't dumb. Just can endure the Mr. Nice guy after such trash - and hundreds of attacking posts- little jabs and stuff- You know I will tell you. things are not good- and we are tracking that second wave- and it is not good. You should have been deleted for attacking someone like this who was sick. But guess what. You can't be deleted. And why is that? The strain is mutating worse. There may have been at least 7 mutations. The vaccine will probably not be effective even if they had used it. We have been fed lies over and over and this trolling was simply to divert the content of the posts - it had nothing to do with me- it was a deliberate attempt to hide the truth. Medclinician |
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The Mill lab info has been all but deleted from the entire network. Last check on the site it dated back to July.
Demographic information for Ukraine fatalities linked to D225G receptor binding in H1N1 mutationNovember 23, 8:00 AMLA Health Technology ExaminerVictoria Nicks
Fatal H1N1 Flu Virus Mutation in Ukraine and Norway NAID The receptor binding domain (RBD) for the Ukraine H1N1 mutation, D225G, has been linked to fatal cases of swine flu infection. Demographic and genetic analysis for the H1N1 mutation taking place in the Ukraine virus has been published by Mill Hill, the London laboratory that performed testing on samples from the Ukraine. D225G is the same RBD that was found in the virus that caused the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak. H1N1 mutation fatalities According to this analysis of the Mill Hill lab information, each of the fatal cases of flu from the Ukraine virus contained this marker. D225G is the name for the receptor binding domain of this particular virus. A virus attaches to charged molecules on host cells, but each type of virus attaches to a different type of molecule, in a different way. The H1N1 mutation found in the Ukraine attaches in the same place, in the same way, as the Spanish flu virus from 1918. Detection of the H1N1 mutation While positive results for the H1N1 virus with D225G are not widespread, this may be the result of the methods of testing. Tests for swine flu typically consist of a nasal swab, which is unlikely to pick up this mutated virus, due to its location. The H1N1 mutation that is causing fatalities in the Ukraine and Norway affects the respiratory system, and is found deep in the lungs. < ="text/" ="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">Ukraine Health Ministry confirms high death rate The Ukraine virus has caused 381 deaths since October 29, according to a statement from the Ukraine Health Ministry on November 21. The death rate increases daily, despite quarantine measures, and may affect the upcoming elections. Related Information: H1N1 mutation makes swine flu virus resistant to antiviral drugs - Tamiflu doesn't work anymore H1N1 mutations emerging around the world - Tamiflu-resistant strain of H1N1 virus resists antivirals H1N1 mutation in Norway - Increased patient fatalities due to more dangerous strain of the swine flu
FDA Panel rejects FluBlok, faster flu vaccine production - 75 days to vaccination from new flu virus October batch of H1N1 vaccine recalled by manufacturer - GlaxoSmithKline reports side effect dangers Ukraine virus : H1N1 and Parainfluenza makes a deadly combination as Ukraine flu outbreak worsens Tell the truth and expect resistance. Is it worth it to inform people when they are being fed garbage. Yes it is.Med |
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H1N1 mutation makes swine flu virus resistant to antiviral drugs - Tamiflu doesn't work anymoreNovember 22, 5:16 PMLA Health Technology ExaminerVictoria Nicks
Tamiflu Doesn't Protect with H1N1 Mutations Photo taken for Wikipedia by Moriori In patients around the world, patients are being identified with a strain of the swine flu that is Tamiflu-resistant. The H1N1 mutation makes the swine flu virus resistant to treatment with Tamiflu, a common antiviral medication licensed for use in the United States. Clusters of Tamiflu-resistant H1N1 mutations have been identified in North Carolina and Wales, with isolated cases occurring around the world. Number of Tamiflu-resistant H1N1 infections. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a total of 21 cases of Tamiflu-resistant swine flu have been documented in the United States since the beginning of April. Over 50 cases have been discovered around the world in total, raising fears of widespread H1N1 mutation. < ="text/" ="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
All of the viruses found in cases of Tamiflu-resistant swine flu have responded to Relenza, an alternate antiviral treatment. Use of antiviral medication is intended to shorten the duration, or minimize the intensity of a case of influenza. The medication must be given early in the infection to be effective. H1N1 mutations emerging around the world - Tamiflu-resistant strain of H1N1 virus resists antivirals H1N1 mutation in Norway - Increased patient fatalities due to more dangerous strain of the swine flu
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Spare me your drivel Med...I and alot of people on this forum are and have been exposed to the truth about you. I'm truly embarassed to be associated with you on this forum...RC
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Med why do you keep posting pictures of your family when you've told us repeatedly that they are in grave danger? At first I thought it was some government witness protection. Then I found they have real names and pictures posted all over the net so your grave danger stuff is just another story you created. It seems like every time you post a picture of them the Admin deletes the Thread. Maybe to protect them just in case what you said in the past was true. So are you just trying to get this thread deleted so people can't see you flame me all the time? Med, You like to accuse me of being every user here including the owner of this site but I'm not. You're continually getting me confused with 8-10 other posters that you have problems with. I've never called your wife fat or made fun of your Son. He seems like a nice kind little boy and I was very nice to your x-wife when she was on this board. She seemed to be candid and answered a good deal of questions that I asked her about you. You said you save everything so double check and you will see it's not me picking on your Son. My posts are still here other then "your" threads that the Admin here deleted. I'm not a poor injured party and I'm very capable of correcting false allegations, slander and deprivation of character. I did take Administration of Justice in College and I am a SkipTracer. You're probably figured out that I've studied more then I let on. I do get paid to document crimes and build cases. I've already let the forum know that with the Spamford Wallace posts. Also note Facebook awarded $711m in 'Spamford' Wallace case just one week after I posted about my gathering information about Spamford. How did I know the $711m judgment was in the works one week before it was publicly announced? Not that it will ever be collected as the guy is worthless. October 24th 2009 I post this: http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=25787&KW=Sanford+Spamford+Wallace%2E&PID=200535#200535 October 29th 2009 he's nailed again for $711 million. Coincidence? You figure it out. His Las Vegas location might be a hint. http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202435979227&hubType=Top%20Story&Geez_Making_Friends_Is_HARD_Company_Heeds_Facebook_Warning_ I post the Truth and that's what I fight for. I can spot deceptive and fraudulent posts like its second nature. Just how long do you expect to keep making continual false allegations and threats against people here before a US Marshal knocks on your door to serve you papers? I'm not even saying I would be the one behind it. At this point I'll supply the needed documentation that I can legally provide if someone in this forums needs it. You have had problems in numerous forums and I do know exactly why you wanted your identity hidden and why you've used so many aliases. I know you "claim" you've been run out of states, shot at and have a good deal of enemies including the government. Maybe if you learned to enjoy life you might stop causing problems for yourself. You might even develop more friends here. To be honest I don't have a single enemy that I'm aware of. I don't even consider you as one. I just think you're so far off in left field that it's hard to even talk in the same forum with you. You get so wrapped up in your end of the world or conspiracy rants. It's depressing to see you having such a hard time dealing with life and the loss of what you briefly had 30 years ago. Sometimes you push the limits so far that It becomes comical. I know it's wrong to laugh at others problems but you go overboard to create problems for yourself and you go to great lengths to drag others into your personal life and problems. Its like you need that daily drama to fulfill some void in your life. |
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Dang Med, How many people am I already, 20-30? I guess it's just not possible that more then one person can disagree with you? Yet a simple Google search shows you have a ton of forums where you had big blowouts with groves of other users. Med, I live in Orange County California and that's thousands of miles from you. So far you've claimed I'm: 8-10 other users that don't agree with you here. .gov Albert RC Inthesticks CIA FBI TPTB Someone that insulted your son? I missed that episode. Someone that called your x-wife fat. Owner of this Forum. Killing people because I'm suppressing your data Someone that drives by your house and stalks you Government agent to suppress your data Someone paid to keep wall street from collapsing Stalker Cyber Stalker Member from other forums that followed you here Troll Someone that was your friend and regularly talked to you on the phone. Phoned your home and threatened you and your family Drove vehicles by your house Broke into your home, left notes on your kids computer Threatened you and your family in person I know I forgot a bunch but Med you really need to get some help. |
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Penham
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Med, Tech & RC, all of you have got to stop this going after each other. It needs to stop now!
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MarieF
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ALBERT, PLEASE TRY TO CONTROL THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM ABOUT TO ABANDON THIS ENTIRE FORUM BECAUSE OF THIS CONSTANT FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Technologist
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Penham, I avoided Med for 3 days while he kept up his personal attacks. Follow this thread from start to finish to see. Just Permanently ban me or Med on the "next" personal attach against the other. If I can't stop ban me, if he can't stop ban him. Nothing else is likely going to work. |
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waenderer
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i believe none of them should be banned...both bring information..wich the reader has to filter and absorb.....
What they need to do is focus on the common goal....work with each-other....not against each-other..
If either of them says...:"it doesn t work"..they are really saying.. i didn t try hard enough.
Becourse that is exactly what we should do in a possible time of great crisis...try harder.
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Albert
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Tech and RC, do me a favor and back off med. You guys are taking personal shots at him as he is posting information. You all can refute the info, but lets layoff the personal comments. If you don't like what he is posting, refute it if you like, and then let's get over it. Med appears to be one of the few people digging for information so it doesn't make a lot of sense to beat up on one of our own members. Again, meds "intentions" are in the right place, so maybe we can cut him some slack in some areas. The members here also don't like to see you guys picking on him. From what I can tell, Med posts, and then you guys aggressively attack, and then med doesn't attack back. Therefore, you all need to back off for awhile on what I would consider somewhat bully-like tactics This can lead to an unpleasant forum atmosphere. Tech and RC, you guys are valued members here, so if you all wouldn't mind working with me on this, that would be good.
Med, new rule, no posting pictures of our own family members. You have a great family to be proud of, but it's leading to other problems. You will need to keep your personal life separate from this place if you would like to avoid personal comments being made, along with other potential problems arising when posting personal pics, etc ....
Lets work together gang. Either the swine flu will die out soon, or maybe things will kick-up at the first of the year. Either way, let's get through the final stretch here working together.
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Medclinician
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Agreed
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Though it is being downplayed we have now found the mutation has spread to Taiwan. I will post a thread and begin tracking that.
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Albert nice to finally know where you stand.
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lurking since 2005 with a looong memory
for everything that has transpired on this site! |
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Albert,
THANK YOU FOR ASKING THEM TO BACK OFF MED. I'M SO TOTALLY SICK OF TECH'S & RC'S CONTINUAL HARRASSMENT. I WISH THEY'D JUST LEAVE.
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Technologist
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If RC, Myself and a few other left this site would end up like Prison Planet. The problem is that this site is saturated with conspiracy theory buffs and most (but not all) of the people giving out helpful flu advice are now gone. It seems like most threads get hammered with stuff like chemtrails, nefarious bilderberg plots, new world order, Population control by vaccines, End of the World, UFO's, Aliens running our government. Mass government mind control, Genocide by spraying deadly plagues, zero respect for anything logical, our government or our President. The people I'm talking about are turning this site into another Prison Planet. It doesn't matter if the people you wish were gone have higher IQ's, more education or 20+ times the income gained by hard work ethics. If they don't agree with the Prison Planet view then they must be Sheeple's or a Government agent. If I leave willingly it's because this site has turned so much into another Prison Planet that it serves no purpose to stay any longer. I was hoping this site would get back to reality. You know, the state of things as they actually exist, but I doubt people here will let that happen. |
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The mutation continues.
courtesy of Health and Freedom Alliance New reports from Iowa and North Carolina are raising concerns that the deadly H1N1 swine flu mutations that have been confirmed by the WHO in Ukraine, Norway and elsewhere have already reached the United States. In Iowa, a report that doctors are seeing “very heavy, wet hemorrhagic lungs, lungs with a lot of blood in them” in H1N1 patients is creating concerns among health experts that the deadly Ukraine H1N1 has already spread there. In addition, a report of Tamiflu-resistant H1N1 swine flu in North Carolina is raising questions about the ability of medical authorities to combat H1N1 if thousands of people do start dying. If deadly H1N1 swine flu mutations have already reached the United States, what does that mean? Doctors in Ukraine have been reporting that victims of H1N1 there are experiencing violent hemorrhaging in their lungs. As the patients near death, their lungs reportedly become as “black as charcoal” and literally begin to disintegrate. Will this start happening soon inside the U.S.? Last week, the WHO confirmed that an H1N1 mutation had been discovered in Ukraine. This H1N1 mutation involved a receptor binding domain change, and it is apparently causing the H1N1 virus to become much more virulent. Just like the new report in Iowa, many victims of H1N1 in Ukraine have been experiencing violent hemorrhaging in the lungs. Temperatures inside the lungs of patients in Ukraine have been reported to be as high as 135 degrees Fahrenheit. As the patient near death, the lungs turn to mush and literally become as black as charcoal. In fact, one doctor in Western Ukraine was quoted as saying the following about what is happening to the lungs of these patients….. “We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal. They look like they have been burned. It’s terrifying.” comment: I posted the video of this doctor If that wasn’t bad enough, the WHO has now confirmed that the same H1N1 mutation has shown up in Norway. Norway’s Institute of Public Health has released a statement in which they announced that this mutation “could possibly…cause more severe disease” because it apparently infects tissue deeper in the airway than usual. Not only that, but today Hong Kong’s Department of Health has confirmed that it has found the same mutation in a H1N1 flu virus sample as the one detected in Norway recently. Hong Kong is on the other side of the world from Ukraine and Norway. What in the world is going on? Nobody knows for sure, but the truth is that the increasing similarities between the current H1N1 outbreak and the 1918 “Spanish flu” outbreak are becoming too striking to ignore. Firstly, both the current outbreak and the 1918 Spanish flu are from the H1N1 family. Secondly, both the current outbreak and the 1918 Spanish flu have the same mutation that is currently being reported in Ukraine, Norway and Hong Kong. comment: none of this information is tabloid and can be backed up by statements of health care leaders and WHO.We have what could be an increasingly more deadly mutation of the Swine Flu causing a bloody lung deeper and more threatening type of flu. This is reality. We simply need to keep a check on our sources, and not overstate the problem. It is spreading through Europe and likely is in Iowa and North Carolina. Now we need to continue to track- with mainstream media or not and try and verify our sources as much as we can. John Bell- CEO Crystalware Defense - Medical and Technology Research aka Medclinician author of Pandemic Now Survival Guide |
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Thankyou Albert.
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Utah
I saw an article mid november that the cases in Utah were decreasing. Unfortunately, it now seems they have picked up the mutated strain. http://www.examiner.com/x-29228-LA-Health-Technology-Examiner~y2009m12d6-Patient-in-Utah-has-swine-flu-virus-with-D225G-low-reactor-H1N1-mutation-causing-lung-hemorrhaging Patient in Utah has swine flu virus with D225G, low reactor H1N1 mutation causing lung hemorrhagingA sample from a Utah swine flu patient has been analyzed, and shows the same H1N1 mutation found in Ukraine and other locations around the world. This mutation of the pandemic A H1N1 swine flu virus, the receptor binding domain change of D225G, is associated with lung hemorrhaging and resistance to the swine flu vaccine.
H1N1 mutation: D225G The H1N1 mutation that affects the receptor binding domain D225G causes the swine flu virus to attach to cells deep in the lungs. This can cause severe illness, including lung hemorrhaging. The D225G RBD has been found in cases of swine flu in Ukraine, Brazil, and other locations around the world. Symptoms of bleeding in the lungs have been identified here in the United States. It's possible that more cases exist, but the type of sample taken during testing may limit the number of cases identified. Swine flu samples are typically taken with a swab of the inside of the nasal passage, while the D225G strain would be found in lung tissue. The severity of H1N1 Influenza infections in Ukraine has been closely linked to the D225G RBD change, as well. H275Y H1N1 influenza virus mutation The H275Y H1N1 mutation causes the virus to be resistant to the antiviral medication Tamiflu. Currently, the H1N1 infections that are Tamiflu-resistant still respond to Relenza, another antiviral drug used to treat swine flu in the U.S. This mutation has been found in clusters in Maryland, North Carolina, and Wales, and in individual cases all over the world. In France, a combination of the H275Y mutation and the D225G mutation were found in a fatal case of the swine flu. |
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