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The hemicycle of the PACE at the Palace of Europe
Public hearing on the handling of the Swine Flu pandemic Strasbourg, 21.01.2010 - A public parliamentary hearing titled
"The handling of the H1N1 pandemic: more transparency needed?"
is to be held on the fringe of the plenary session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the
Council of Europe (PACE) in Strasbourg from 8.15-10 a.m. on Tuesday 26 January,
immediately followed by a press conference.
Video of both the hearing and the following press conference- in the original language and interpreted into English and French- will be webcast live via the following link: http://tv.coe.int/internet/press.html.
Video recordings will also be available for download later.
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Doc. 12110 18 December 2009 Faked Pandemics - a threat for health Motion for a recommendation presented by Mr Wodarg and others This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies have influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards, to alarm governments worldwide. They have made them squander tight health care resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly exposed millions of healthy people to the risk of unknown side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines. The "birds-flu" - campaign (2005/06) combined with the "swine-flu" -campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health budgets, but also to the credibility and accountability of important international health agencies. The definition of an alarming pandemic must not be under the influence of drug-sellers. The member states of the Council of Europe should ask for immediate investigations on the consequences at national as well as European level. Signed 1:WODARG Wolfgang, Germany, SOC ABURTO BASELGA Fátima, Spain, SOC AYVA Lokman, Turkey, EPP/CD CONDE BAJÉN Agustín, Spain, EPP/CD CZINEGE Imre, Hungary, SOC FLYNN Paul, United Kingdom, SOC GROZDANOVA Dzhema, Bulgaria, EPP/CD HANCOCK Michael, United Kingdom, ALDE HUSS Jean, Luxembourg, SOC MARQUET Bernard, Monaco, ALDE McCAFFERTY Christine, United Kingdom, SOC OHLSSON Carina, Sweden, SOC ÜNAL Mustafa, Turkey, EPP/CD VOLONTE' Luca, Italy, EPP/CD
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Thursday 28 January
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Possible urgent debate on 'Faked pandemics, a threat to health' Rethinking creative rights for the Internet age The detention of asylum seekers and irregular migrants in Europe Solving property issues of refugees and displaced persons, and statement by Ambassador Wolfgang Petritsch, Former High
Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina
The functioning of democratic institutions in Albania source for above
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WoW... Really Slamming the W.H. O.
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Shame on Dr. Fukuda For minimising the "Scare Tactic"
he was called on it... a mild disease ... frightened people Who should put things in
perspective and this was not done, a major mistake has been made.
Do you want to keep the announcement of the Pandemic for the next two years?
We need to Focus on the Priorities of Public Health
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Well said Dr. Kell !
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We Can Not Get the Facts on What Dr Chan Said...
As No Search Engine will Open the Document...
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...Dr Luc Hessel, European Vaccine Manufacturers: The EVM rejects this motion, particularly the accusation of inappropriate response of vaccine manufacturers in their response to H1N1. The vaccine industry did what it was asked to do. The industry's role is to produce safe vaccines in a timely manner and respond to government's requests. It is governed by stringent international health regulations and rigorous safeguards against conflict of interest. Decision-making regarding vaccine needs can only be based on the best available data at the time. The industry responded quickly effectively and was able to deliver the vaccines ordered by governments. Our industry responded to requests from WHO and governments who wanted to have fast access to a large quantity of vaccines. It is too early to speculate on the overall return for the industry, but in my view the industry has been a responsible and reliable partner. Pandemic vaccines were properly developed and tested - for the first time in history, vaccines were available shortly after the declaration of a pandemic. This was only possible thanks to a decade of research and development and 60 years of experience. Professor Dr Ulrich Keil, Director of the WHO Collaborating Centre for Epidemiology at the University of Munster: A number of scientists and others are questioning the decision of the WHO to declare an international pandemic. The H1N1 virus is not a new virus, but has been known to us for decades. The H1N1 vaccination campaign was stopped abruptly when it was realised that the effects were milder than anticipated. I am asking for a reconsideration of this pandemic announcement by the WHO. In Germany, about 10,000 deaths are attributed to seasonal 'flu, especially among older and frail people. Only a very small number of deaths, namely 187, can be attributed to the H1N1 virus in Germany - and many of those are dubious. The Director General of WHO declared the H1N1 pandemic in June 2009, triggering a cascade of actions by individual countries who were prepared for this by the SARS and Avian 'Flu scares. see- at source...
Dr Keiji Fukuda, Special Advisor on Pandemic Influenza to the Director-General, World Health Organisation (WHO):
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There has only one Pandemic been formally declared in decades (although we had at least 5). There is no doubt that we experienced a world wide Pandemic as defined by WHO. The constant inference of a created virus which was planted in Veracruz and then Baxter had this an intentional tried to create a genocide - is that what is being said?
It is not draining resources that is the issue. It is the hit the Pandemic caused to the pork industry and tourism and that is why WHO met with leaders two hours before and had to get "permission" to declare the Pandemic. CDC has stated plainly that despite continuing efforts of groups to reduce the danger of a possible third wave and necessity of vaccine- we still are getting people trying to minimize- always minimize the threat and call alarmist anyone saying- there is a real threat. I have posted CDCs and the other main agencies formal statementa the definite possible occurrence of one more wave of flu this winter. When 50,000,000 people in our country are infected with a virus, that is serious. No matter how low path- the chances of mutation into more serious form, and also the fact- Swine Flu may be here to stay cannot be neatly tucked into meetings once more advancing the Dove approach to disease. Countries are angry at the hit they took economically from the Pandemic. People who own poultry or pigs took a beating. The pig industry managed to changed the name of the flu- but people didn't buy it. This wasn't a faked Pandemic and you posted the thread when it went to level 6 (as I did as well) WHO never expect Avian to spread so they made it so it would NEVER go about a low level- because Avian didn't have the spreadability. But H1N1 defeat that control. It spread like crazy and WHO had abide by its definition and declare the Pandemic. IMHO of course. Med |
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The definition of a pandemic was changed by the WHO last May.
It was only this change of
definition which made it possible to transform a run-of-the-mill 'flu into a worldwide
pandemic - and made it possible for the pharmaceutical industry to transform this
opportunity into cash, under contracts which were mainly secret.
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The pharmaceutical industry as a medicines provider
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Wolfgang Wodarg
Wolfgang Wodarg, medical expert specialising in epidemiology and former Chair of the Sub-committee on Health of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.
From google groups...
Isn't it Interesting that this is .. everywhere .... European Mainstream Media,
Internet... groups and Blogs... But not in OUR Mainstream Media.. hmm.
Interview with Wolfgang Wodarg in L'Humanite in English Translation
Friday, 08 January 2010 11:40 News - Highlighted News Wolfgang Wodarg's nterview in France's L'Humanite translated into English by http://www.humanite.fr/2010-01-07_Societe_Grippe-A-L-implacable-requi... Swine flu: "They organized the panic" New Development: The German President of the Health Committee of the Council A straight forward interview. Ex-member of the SPD, Wolfgang Wodarg is a doctor and epidemiologist. His What made you suspicious about the influence of pharmaceutical companies had Wolfgang Wodarg. We are facing a major failure of national institutions There was nothing new in itself to that. Each year a new virus of this Among the things that aroused my suspicions there was therefore on one side What danger? Wolfgang Wodarg. To provide products rapidly, adjuvants were used in some How could anyone justify that? Wolfgang Wodarg. To understand we must return to the episode of avian Do you disagree with the diagnoses and even the potential severity of Wolfgang Wodarg. Yes, it's just a normal kind of flu. It does not cause a Those are very serious accusations you're making. How was such a process Wolfgang Wodarg. A group of people in the WHO is associated very closely Will the investigation by the Council of Europe also work in this direction? Wolfgang Wodarg. We want to clarify everything that brought about this Do you have any concrete figures on the extent of this mismanagement? Wolfgang Wodarg. In Germany it comes to 700 million euros. But it is very Will the work of "lobbying" by pharma companies on the National Institutes Wolfgang Wodarg. Yes we will examine the attitude of institutions like the Has the tremendous global operation of disinformation also been possible Wolfgang Wodarg. As regards the ministries, that seems to me to be obvious. So what happened? Wolfgang Wodarg. Without going as far as saying direct corruption, which I But if your survey succeeds, will it not be a support for citizens to insist Wolfgang Wodarg. Yes, you're right, this is one of the major issues related So what kind of risk have these healthy people unknowingly taken by getting Wolfgang Wodarg. Again, the vaccines were developed too quickly, some Why, I'm obviously not an expert, but how can one claim to make a vaccine Wolfgang Wodarg. Normally one uses chicken eggs on which viruses are grown. And wasn't this done? Wolfgang Wodarg. It was not. The EMEA (European Medicines Agency), an What is the name of this vaccine? Wolfgang Wodarg. Obta flu. But that means that in other European countries like France the product can Wolfgang Wodarg. Yes, it obtained permission from EMEA and can be used What alternative do you intend to propose so that further scandals of this Wolfgang Wodarg. The WHO should be more transparent, so we know clearly who Isn't the question of another system capable of handling a matter which is Wolfgang Wodarg. Can we go on allowing the production of vaccines and the Interview by Bruno Odent ...........................................
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My take on some of what I heard....
This is not the end of the inquiry
.............................................................. June, Oct sessions ... report and follow up.
Question
clearly tell us if the def. of pandemic has changed is mortality rate.. what
is mild in terms of death rates .. I heard... there (must be ) 7 million dead people there are now 14 thousand dead people... what is a Pandemic? Ans...
A new influenza virus appears and spreads around the world..
according to scientists who have recently defined it. severe deaths has never been a part of the description of pandemic.
wide spread of the new disease or virus... we can not predict severity. Question- if severity is low and there is a low death rate why do countries need WHO to tell us that?
Dr Fukuda. we don't know how many have died...it will take 1 to 2 years to know estimated (how many have died.)
people need to have warnings, it is the job of WHO... know that these kinds of events are starting...
Mr. Wodarg wants to comment on preceeding ... we have old way to calculate deaths...
(you say) we can not compare flus,
we have a new way to define it... you should compare old and new ways ... to see a correlation they (WHO) continue with this critisized way.. (doesn't compare cases before (Mexico) we
give numbers we don't care how we get (numbers) there must be something which drives
WHO to do this... very big error...
They don't deserve our trust when they go on like this.
the accents make it difficult to hear names of the participants.... the camaraman was
not responsible for showing the names clearly placed in front of the speakers... why?
a member stated...
The sad part is having cried wolf.... the W.H.O. has lost credibility...
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