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sjf53, I live in Colorado and we have a big problem up here also. You said it best, ""I am sick of hearing about "our broken immigration system". It isn't broken. Present laws are simply not enforced and haven't been for way too long. Secure the borders."

"The United States Government will use all of its' power to fight the citizens of the United States in order to protect the aliens that have broken the law and entered the country illegally. Is there something wrong with this picture?????????????"   Ask Yourself Why????"

You are correct!!!!!!
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Hi FluMom,
 
Thanks...I wish I could take credit for those thoughts but I put them in quotes because they were comments from readers of the article listed.  I will make that is more evident in future postings.  However,  I obviously do agree with them.
 
Living in Arizona,  this issue is so, so frustrating.  We are fighting two countries, Mexico and our own, plus the UN, China and other countries are chiming in and trying to imply
International Human Rights and International Law.  I wonder what is up with that? Illegals get more entitlements and freebies than taxpaying citizens.
 
I thought we were a soveriegn State and Country.  Hmmmm.
 
Stay tuned...It it will be a very hot summer here.
 
 
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Its either your way or the highway then!!
 
Exactly my point
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Mahshadin, Obama is right now getting screamed at by other legislators because he's going to pardon all the illegals here in America through executive order.
 
You think that's a better solution than militarizing the border and enforcing with an iron fist? There needs to be no debate here. Obama is WRONG! Since this news hit, I'll wager that every car, rattletrap, truck, van, etc are loading up for the trek to El Norte to get in under the wire.
 
I know you support the guy, and I have to respect that, but dude, look at what's going on here. For someone as adamantly against illegal immigration as you are, surely you can see the writing on the wall. If he does this, we're going to have to deal with another exodus North. NOTHING but militarizing our border is going to prevent that.
 
The Governor of AZ should call out the National Guard.
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It's because we are not a country anymore. We are just customers. Who are in debt.
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I agree that we need to do something with the illegals that are here but, 1st secure the border whatever way possible and right away . The whole world right now knows we have open borders  we have to take care of our own country first and then help the  rest of the world. We can't afford to take care of everyone that is here now, wait till Obama gives them amnesty how many more will come when he announces that plan. Was it in the national media that the Chief of Police in Sonora,Mexico was just shot by drug smugglers  and the whole police force was threated with snippers? Probably not! I don't have all the anwsers but a secure border seems like a start to solving some of the problems.
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Folks the only way to stop the Obama madness is to vote in Republicans no matter who they are. Man I hate to say that but if we don't dump the Dems we are going to be in so much trouble, truly broke, taxed to death to get unbroke, illegals coming in by droves and our childrens futures questionable at best.
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Reader's Comments:
"I believe the framers of our constitution would be shocked and appalled at the very idea that one of our states is being invaded by criminal foreign nationals while the Federal government stands by and does nothing to enforce either its own laws or its constitutional mandate. They would find inconceivable the idea that other states and the Federal government itself would then attempt to punish that state for attempting to defend itself by means already allowed by Federal law and which have previously been upheld as constitutional by the Supreme Court. It is particularly disturbing that the federal agency which is charged with protecting our borders is itself participating in a boycott of the state it is failing to protect. It is horrifying to realize just how far sighted the 18th century anti-federalist were in the fears they expressed."

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Full Article and Comments
 
"Yes......Obama the Great Unifier!  He shows his Leadership as a Community Organizer rather than the President of All the legal citizens of the 'United' States of America.
The majority of the Country agrees with the Arizona Law." sjf
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"It is very troubling when the federal government becomes involved in a boycott against our state," Rep Giffords (D-Ariz) said in a written statement. "Although I personally disagree with the immigration law, it came about because of growing frustration over the federal government's unwillingness to secure the border. The federal government's participation in this boycott only adds to that frustration." 

The Department of Education issued a statement to Fox News confirming that a program administrator, though not the Education Department itself, canceled a 2010 convention "at the request of one of our trilateral partners." 

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"Colleagues in Arizona slammed the federal government over the cancellations on Thursday. Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, D-Ariz., called the news "very disappointing." 

Arizona Republican Rep. Trent Franks said the apparent cancellations show the administration is using "federal agencies as political tools" to "harm our state's economy for having the audacity to protect our citizens." 

"These boycotts completely disprove the Obama administration's disingenuous claims that they are in any way interested in strengthening border security," he said in a written statement to FoxNews.com. 

In the letter she has been sending to cities and groups that have imposed boycotts, Giffords wrote that the punitive measures have "unfairly targeted" her state's businesses. 

The Obama administration is planning to file suit against the Arizona law, citing its sustained concern about the move to subject some residents to routine checks on their immigration status." 

The administration is flat out lying.......The Arizona Law has safeguards in it that state racial profiling is prohibited.  It mirrors the Federal Law and goes even further than the Federal Law by including in the law specifically that racial profiling is prohibited.  "Reasonable Doubt for a Lawful Stop" is a known standard in all police stops and Constitutionally upheld.  You will not get stop for walking down the street or getting an Ice Cream.   sjf
 
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 "How do people get from ILLEGAL ALIENS to RACISM AND RACIAL PROFILING? Is being against illegality racism? There are those that have perverted and twisted every word that has been spoken against being ILLEGAL. Soon it will end.Everyone will wake up and smell the coffee. Now the labor dept is advertising to help ILLEGAL ALIENS who arent being paid fairly,when it is blatently ILLEGAL to even hire someone without immigration documentation.This begs the question,"is the employer useing a false SS#?Even so,the US Govt.KNOWS WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE,AND DOES ABSOLUTLY NOTHING ABOUT IT,except spend tax payer dollars to advertise to them about being short changed! And if someone questions it,guess what? THEY'RE A RACIST! November cant get here soon enough." Thursday, June 24, 2010 at 3:42 PM
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Wow, just an outright assault on our President. Your words are hollowed with deception and manipulation (Your Manipulation). Fact of the matter is there has been dramatic action on the border, especially in the last year or so. The number of border personel is now over 20,000, and again without taking out the dangling Job carrot, I dont care how many border police you put on a 2000 mile, yes 2000 miles of mostly mountains and desert, it will not stop until the jobs go away, and so called Americans stop incentivising it.
 
Here is a more accurate account of what has happened since This administration has taken over, without any congrssional action, and without deception or manipulation from political
Hacks.
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Secretary Napolitano Highlights Border Security Accomplishments on One Year Anniversary of Southwest Border Initiative

Release Date: March 26, 2010

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

Announces Across-the-Board Increases in Drugs, Weapons and Cash Seizures

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today highlighted the United States’ significant progress in securing the U.S.-Mexico border one year after the Obama administration announced the Southwest Border Initiative—a series of unprecedented steps to crack down on Mexican drug cartels by deploying additional personnel and technology, increasing information sharing, working closely with the Mexican government, and improving federal coordination with state, local and tribal law enforcement authorities.

“Last March, this administration took decisive action to combat transnational crime and drug-related violence along the Southwest border to help ensure the security of both the United States and Mexico,” said Secretary Napolitano. “Over the past year, our unprecedented cooperation with the Mexican government and sustained security efforts along the border have resulted in major progress in combating the ruthless cartels that threaten the safety of both our nations.”

Since last March, DHS has doubled the number of personnel assigned to Border Enforcement Security Task Forces; tripled the number of ICE intelligence analysts working along the U.S.-Mexico border; quadrupled deployments of Border Liaison Officers; and begun screening 100 percent of southbound rail shipments for illegal weapons, drugs and cash—for the first time ever.

DHS also deployed additional canine teams trained to detect drugs and weapons and non-intrusive inspection technology that help identify anomalies in passenger vehicles at the Southwest border. Today, the Border Patrol is better staffed than at any time in its 85-year history, having nearly doubled the number of agents from approximately 10,000 in 2004 to more than 20,000 in 2009.

Over the past year since the Southwest Border Initiative was launched:

  • U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) combined have seized $85 million in illicit cash along the Southwest border—a 22 percent increase over the same period during the previous year.
  • CBP and ICE together have seized 1,404 firearms and 1.62 million kilograms of drugs along the Southwest border—increases of 22 and 14 percent respectively over the same period during the previous year.
  • CBP seized $29.5 million in illicit southbound cash along the Southwest border—a 39 percent increase over the same period during the previous year.

Additionally, the San Diego DHS Maritime Unified Command, comprised of U.S. Coast Guard, CBP, ICE and other law enforcement partners, saw a more than six-fold increase in maritime drug interdictions in the Pacific waters extending from the Southwest border—seizing 57,437 lbs. of drugs in fiscal year 2009 compared to 8,884 lbs. seized in fiscal year 2008. Already in fiscal year 2010, the Coast Guard has seized 11,500 lbs. of drugs across the San Diego sector.

DHS continues to work closely with the Mexican government to build new collaborative efforts on a variety of issues including cross-border communications, narcotics smuggling enforcement, port security, aviation security, information sharing, law enforcement training, and trade.

This includes unprecedented engagement based on a Declaration of Principles of Cooperation signed last month between Secretary Napolitano and Mexican Secretary of Public Safety (SSP) Genaro García Luna, which allows for the expansion of coordinated intelligence sharing and joint strategic, intelligence-driven plans—already being implemented in the border region of Sonora and Arizona—to other border areas at high risk for transnational criminal activity moving forward.

Secretary Napolitano has visited Mexico five times in the past year, meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderón on multiple occasions—most recently this week as part of U.S. delegation for the Mérida U.S.-Mexico High Level Consultative Group—to discuss ways both nations can work together to secure the border. Earlier this week, Secretary Napolitano and Mexican Interior Secretary Fernando Francisco Gómez-Mont signed two agreements to bolster aviation and border security by expanding efforts to crack down on violent drug cartels and combat terrorism.

 
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Whoa.......

Assault is a crime of violence against another person physically.  So...I think you better rethink your statement.

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Deception....from me?  Where?  You mean you can't handle the truth / facts therefore I must be deceiving you?  My post are backed up with credible articles. 

Hacks.....Why are they hacks?  Because you say so?  Are you deciding for us  who is credible and who isn't?

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Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws

Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak without censorship or limitation, or both.

 

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Manipulation is what this Administration is doing ( Under President Obama's direction) to the State of Arizona and the Country.

This is an example of Manipulation......President Obama in the Oval Office on securing the border with Mexico.  "The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support 'comprehensive immigration reform.'"  Sen. Kyl continued, "In other words, they're holding it hostage. They don't want to secure the border unless and until it is combined with 'comprehensive immigration reform.'"  (Amnesty?)

(His way or the Highway?)

We can secure our borders without Comprehensive Immigration Reform being held over our heads.  In fact, Obama swore an oath to the citizens of this country to defend our borders. 

Immigration Reform and Border Security are two separate issues.

The President saying he will not comment on the Boycott of Arizona is the administration's way of saying it is alright to demonize and hurt an entire state economically.  Saul Alinsky tactics.  He is the President of all the States. Where is his leadership?  As President he should stop this.  It is like he is voting "present", by his silence he is letting this happen. 

Are you saying you approve of the way he is treating the State of Arizona?  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another example of Manipulation: Moratorium on Oil Drilling in the Gulf

June 22, 2010 5:03 PM   CBS News  (Are they Hacks Too?)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20008490-504564.html

Judge Slams Administration, Lifts Drilling Moratorium

Judge Feldman slammed the administration for presenting information to the Court that he characterized as "factually incorrect." The inaccurate information, he said, "might cause some apprehension" about the integrity of the study led to the report.

Specifically, Feldman suggested the government misrepresented the recommendations of seven engineering experts to justify the moratorium.

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"As the plaintiffs, and the experts themselves, pointedly observe, this statement was misleading," Feldman wrote. "It was factually incorrect." 

In fact, Judge Feldman said, five of the National academy experts and three of the other experts have publicly stated they "do not agree with the six-month blanket moratorium" on floating drilling.

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Napolitano border 'facts' disputed

33 commentsJun. 6, 2010 12:00 AM

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano wrote on Friday that the nation's border is more secure than ever ("If you look at facts, border is more secure than ever," Opinions). She goes on to proclaim that the Obama "administration has made every conceivable effort to secure our border."

Let's look at what the administration has allegedly accomplished.

Secretary Napolitano claims that Border Patrol agents have doubled from 10,000 to 20,000. But the build-up was well under way before President Obama was even elected.

There were already 18,000 agents along the border in 2008, and 2,000 more were already funded and being hired before January 2009.

She states that the president has requested 1,200 National Guard troops to be sent to the border, but that's only one-fifth of the amount that was deployed in 2006 (and the situation today is far worse than it was then).

Moreover, the 1,200 Guardsman she mentions would be assigned to desk jobs, not border security.

Action speaks louder than words. The administration's head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement recently suggested his agency will not accept or process illegal immigrants turned over by local Arizona law enforcement.

The Department of Justice has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the Arizona law that would sanction employers who hire illegal immigrants.

And Attorney General Eric Holder is devoting "round-the-clock" resources to devise ways to sue Arizona over its new immigration enforcement laws.

Meanwhile, illegal immigrants continue to flood into the United States - roughly 500,000 in 2009 alone, half of whom came through our state.

It's been said statistics can be manipulated to prove anything.

But the cold hard fact is that our border is far from secure, and much more needs to be done. The solution is to pass the McCain/Kyl 10-point border security plan into law immediately.

- John McCain and Jon Kyl, Phoenix  


The writers, both Republicans, represent Arizona in the U.S. Senate



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/06/06/20100606sunlets063.html#ixzz0rqOK0NcR
 
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Kyle & Mccain, wow now there's a couple of reliable sources.
 
Can you say Flip and Flop
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So woithout actually resolving the problem exactly how many full time federal employees do you want on the border, there are 20,000 now and you say its an open border and there is no change just getting worse (right). So what 40,000, 60,000, 80,000, full time federal employees with salary, full benies and retirement. Without solving the cause they will have to be permanent. What happened to smaller government . TG perhaps you could help us out here your military/police exactly how many forces would it take to secure a 2000 mile border 24/7?
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On the Judge, he should have recused himself being invested in big oil and his decision just protecting his money interests not this country or safety..
 
That one is a no brainer, as did bush senior when it happened on his watch. If anything this has exposed an industry totally ill prepared.
 
 
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Kyle & Mccain, wow now there's a couple of reliable sources.
 
Can you say Flip and Flop


I apologize, Mahshadin, but at this point, I'd take a Mobster's word over Obama's. He has shown conclusively that he has zero credibility and would do anything within his power to damage America as much as possible in his last five months of his Presidency.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:


So woithout actually resolving the problem exactly how many full time federal employees do you want on the border, there are 20,000 now and you say its an open border and there is no change just getting worse (right). So what 40,000, 60,000, 80,000, full time federal employees with salary, full benies and retirement. Without solving the cause they will have to be permanent. What happened to smaller government . TG perhaps you could help us out here your military/police exactly how many forces would it take to secure a 2000 mile border 24/7?


Would not the Active duty be a perfect solution? They're all full time, all receiving bennies, could patrol the border 24/7, and there are way more than enough to take care of the problem. My answer to your question is: However many it takes. If you've got to shoot them to stop them from coming here, SO BE IT! If we shoot a few of them, they'll get the message. It sounds horrible, but at this point, we are out of options and the border is a real life war zone.

I'd say it'd take quite a few. In the 20,000 range, with unmanned drones and electronic surveillance. The guys that go get the illegals should be well armed, and given orders to shoot at the slightest provocation to deter attacks on them.

Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:


On the Judge, he should have recused himself being invested in big oil and his decision just protecting his money interests not this country or safety..
 


So should Obama recuse himsel, or resign because he and the Democrats have received several millions of dollars in campaign donations? You do know the LION'S share went to Obama himself right? He's not looking for bigger donations, is he? I think the only reason he's making such a stink over this is because he wants to cripple the US economy and pass Cap and Trade.

When the oil companies said they were going back to work after the moratorium was lifted, Obama said he would send in SWAT teams to prevent that. What kind of despot pulls that kind of crap? Good Going Presidente Chavez... I mean Obama.

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That one is a no brainer, as did bush senior when it happened on his watch. If anything this has exposed an industry totally ill prepared.
 


I thought the other thread was for this debate? Not that I don't agree with the sentiment, and hold BP completely accountable! They cut corners. The shutoff valve I can't completely say was their fault, Murphy's Law being what it is and all.
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Always trying to flip it on someone else right. Dont take responsability, that would be un american right.
 
It is pretty clear that your willing and do take opinion over actual fact (Truth).
 
Your previous assessment of a group of right wing senators dreaming up a letter to the president concerning their conspiricy beliefs and making up what they think will happen based on their own fears, and then calling that TRUTH
 
Thats priceless TG
 
What a CON
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You honestly believe the President of The United States is intentionally destroying this Country.
 
WOW
 
There is no comment for that other than
 
Have another glass of KoolAid, Turn on Fox and see if you cant work your way into an anarchal rage. Youve done bought the whole con.
 
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For some reason that just doesnt seem like you though, from previous conversations you seem to be able to seperate political tactics form the  truth.
 
Your just messing with me right?Smile
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Am I jusst messing with you left?Wink
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On the Border stuff, I still suport closing down the border with troops just not without a solution to the causes of the problem.
 
And to answer the previous question I brought up on how many perminent forces would it take to man a 2000 mile border 24/7, it would be in the 50,000 to 70,000 range or higher, and I for one am not willing to spend perminently to keep them their without a solution to the causes (Very Simple).  The military is stretched thin already fighting 2 wars and a 3rd on the horizon, it would be turned into another seperate force and without solutios for the cause would end up being more taxes and more government, and that is the reality of it.
 
I do not agree with any Blanket Amnesty for Illegals and I doubt there will be a blanket Amnesty Bill. Even Republicans who previously stamped their names on it (McCain and many others) have now flipped on the issue. I have intentionally left this out of my conversation simply because it is such a firestorm when it comes up. Perhaps we should discuss the whole Amnesty thing, what is it, and what isnt Amnesty. What is the definition in your mind? or is it one word that covers many meanings
Whats your take?
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

I have intentionally left this out of my conversation simply because it is such a firestorm when it comes up. Perhaps we should discuss the whole Amnesty thing, what is it, and what isnt Amnesty. What is the definition in your mind? or is it one word that covers many meanings
Whats your take?


I think throwing a pardon at the illegals, basically saying we're not going to enforce the laws of the land against illegals is another way of saying Amnesty. Our President is talking about pushing out an Executive Order to do just that right now.

The Immigration Reform bill currently going through congress isn't going to pass. We know that, and Obama especially knows that. In order to try to solidify ten to thirty million more Democrat voters I am sure that he's talking about it, if not drafting it up right now. I have numerous Senators and Congressmen sending a letter to the President asking him not to do something as proof he's talking about it. You don't have any proof that he's not aside from calling it absurd.

Do I think Obama is intentionally trying to do damage to the United States, no. Does that change the fact that every time he opens his mouth he does his best to damage this country, again no. Pretty much everything he's done thus far has either been bad for the country, blatantly unConstitutional, or an outright disaster. Cap and Trade would do nothing but drive those already impoverished further into insolvency. At some point a sane person would realize that if everything he/she gets their hands into turns intoa a disaster,  they'd stop. Isn't the very definition of insanity repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome?

Remember when I said that Republicans are for getting rich, and keeping rich people rich, while the Democrats are there for the poor, and thus want to keep the poor people poor? Passing Cap and Trade would fill that bill nicely! Jack up the prices of Gasoline, Natural Gas, electricity, food, etc and who is going to feel the most pain?
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Turbo...Boy, you hit the nail on the head!

William F. Buckley was also correct.

I believe Dems promise people anything to get elected and do none of them or make the situation worse that they made promises about (ie:health care). Republicans promise nothing and tell people to make it one their own.   I like the Republican way better. You see I was a Democrat when I was young but after figuring out the above I became a Republican.

With that being said I am voting against all Republican incumbents who have a fairly good Republican Primary opponent. We need to change out all of the people in Washington until We The People get Congressmen and Senators who will do the right thing.
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Both Republicans and Democrats talk about giving their voters the moon.

They're two sides of the same coin.
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I think throwing a pardon at the illegals, basically saying we're not going to enforce the laws of the land against illegals is another way of saying Amnesty.
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So, let me see if I got you correctly. Anyone who came to this country by illegally crossing the border for whatever reason (Jobs Mostly) will need to be thrown out. Is this a retroactive thing going back to the last Reagan action in 1986 (25 years ago). What about their children who have grown up here and were born here (Citizen), throw them out to? Would Mexico even take someone who was born in another Country, probably not so then what? Separate families, throw some out and keep others who were born here? And what about those that came here and eventually married Americans, do we throw them out? and what about their children (Only Half American) do we throw them out too?

 

I think it is a little more complex than just (Throw Them All Out). It’s a great one liner for Political Purposes but Both parties have been complicit in this whole thing, the ultra blinded humanitarian Left and the business cheap labor at any cost to the Country Right.

 

Ill give you a real world example and I am not being a bleeding heart Liberal I just happen to live in one the hot seats and it is impossible to not come in to contact with atleast some who will be affected by whatever we do.

My nephew is 20 and attends ASU, and occasionally he will bring his friends over when Mahshadin is making Spaghetti and Meatballs or other Italian dish.  One of his friends is a Mexican who was born in Phoenix. Her parents came here legally (Temporary Work Card) long ago but now are here illegally Dad working trimming trees and Mom working in the agriculture area in southwest phoenix area (Goodyear/Litchfield). The Girl is 19 and works as a sever at a local restaurant and is working her way through ASU to be an engineer. Her brother 21 was born in Mexico, and works for a Corp in South Phoenix. Anyway the girl is very bright and by all accounts you would not know she is associated with illegal status without digging a little deeper or making a visual identification. Well you know me, not afraid to speak up especially at My dinner table, after all 4 of them were just guests wanting a sample of my famous Italian Meals (Nephews Account). After revealing the Mahshadin Border plan I could see she was getting physically upset, and I asked for her account of the situation, opening up the discussion to everyone at the table, which is when the above information was revealed. As you can imagine the discussion was brisk and everyone had seconds. You cant blame the girl , she is only defending her family. Do we tell the girl so sorry but your parents made a bad decision 21 years ago and now it is time for you to pay the piper for that decision, thus criminalizing the entire family.

 

Under a new law coming up this fall in AZ even the born in Phoenix girl would be denied a Birth Certificate or at least thats what they are talking about so far. Not sure how they will be able to do that retroactively, maybe not, we will have to wait and see. And in principal I agree, people should not be able to just cross the border plop out a baby and declare citizenship. Same goes with Marriage, which the current law/s on both are being blatantly abused.

 

So Who goes and who stays?.

 

or

 

Is it really as simple as (Throw Them All Out)?

 

Perhaps we should leave the Amnesty thing up to the states, although that would be a little difficult legally considering we are one country. It might be a little tough to say to anyone outside the US, if you want to stay or come here you will have to check with the 50 different state laws and comply with each one as you go, not sure that has a chance of working (50 different laws to stay or enter one Country). Wo that sounds like a legal nightmare that may not even be constitutional.

 

Better yet, your in law enforcement, would you be willing to go to a house with 4 Mexicans 2 parents and 2 children born in the USA, and drag the parents off to the border kicking and screaming for their children, then bring the children off to child services where they can dwindle away in our pathetic foster care system, or better yet tear up the birth certificates and just haul them all off to the border give them a bottle of water and say have a nice life?

 

Perhaps Amnesty or Who stays and who goes should be taken off the table for now and we just deal with the Legal Issues.

1.   Illegally Crossing Our Border without legal documents (Green Card, Visa, or whatever)

2.   Illegally Employing Foreign Nationals (Knowingly and even participating in recruitment)

 

They are not coming here for Starbucks Coffee, they are coming for the jobs which are being given to them by conspiring Americans or conspiring American Corps

 

Once the border is secured and the carrot dangling over the border (Jobs) is removed from the equation the problem should take care of itself going forward. For those that are here already illegally, the job would be gone and thus forcing them to make a decision, either go through legal means to continue living and working in this Country (Green Card,Visa, whatever), live here illegally and eventually get caught and deported as we continue to upgrade our enforcement efforts, or self deport (No Job not much reason to stay).

 

I have no problem with allowing states to participate in enforcement, especially considering the shear numbers involved after doing nothing for so long. After all the States are just an extension of the Country as a whole, and it is quite obvious that it would take some time for Federal Forces to reach the type of numbers required to deal with the current situation.

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On another note related to the issue:

I think our Laws on Immigration should be flexible enough that changes in numbers can be made according to the economic reality of the times. We currently have many millions of Americans out of work (Current Recession) and yet we are allowing 10s of thousands even hundreds of thousands in to work in this Country every few months. Does that make any sense to you? Just in Arizona alone there are between 5 and 10 thousand arriving every 30-90 days (Legally) for work and a better life, many of them from the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asia not just south of the border. I don’t want to come off as an isolationalist but we must take care of our own before we try and take care of everyone else at the expense of ourselves, and our immigration system needs to take in to account the current economic situation and should be adjusted accordingly. (Common Sense)

 

This is not the America of a 100 or 200 years ago where we were practically begging people from all over the World to come here to work, and our laws need to be changed to reflect the reality of the times as most of them are decades old or even older.

 

As always, just my own thoughts on the subject.

 
 
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I doubt that many will "self-deport" with free schooling,free lunches, medical care , food stamps,phones ect.  although the Az. Republic newspaper would like us to believe there will a mass exodus to other states. I think if families want to stay together they should go back to their country of origin and apply for citizenship legally and families that have children born in the Us should have priority. Again I do believe law enforcement will leave people alone as long as they are not breaking any laws. This is very minor but yesterday I was in traffic at a stop light there was a family of 7 in a 5 passenger car with a child on the lap(10yr. old?) in the front seat. Now here in Az. we have seat belt laws as I'm sure they have most places. If I was in fear of being deported  for doing something illegal I wouldn't do something that  was illegal in the light of day and I would of atleast put the child in the back seat where it was safer. If they get in a accident with no seat belts on Az. will have to pay.
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This is the agenda,to deny States the rights in all issues / enforcement decisions over immigrationTotal Federal Control.  
 
"The Obama administration apparently worries letting that law stand would leave in place a precedent that states have a legitimate role in enforcing immigration laws – a notion the administration fiercely opposes.

"The argument that the Justice Department is making here, is you know, the fundamental question, which is where does state authority begin and end."
when it comes to federal immigration law?" said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the American Immigration Council.
 

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Justice Dept. Challenges Arizona Over Other Immigration Law Targeting Employers

By Jim Angle

Published June 03, 2010

 

The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overturn an appeals court decision that upheld Arizona's right to punish employers for hiring illegal immigrants.

The Arizona law gives the state the right to suspend or terminate business licenses.

"If you hire a person in this country illegally knowingly, you'll lose your license. First offense, 10 days. Second offense, revocation, never to do business in the state of Arizona again," said Arizona state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican who helped draft the new controversial Arizona law that cracks down on illegal immigrants.

The Obama administration apparently worries letting that law stand would leave in place a precedent that states have a legitimate role in enforcing immigration laws – a notion the administration fiercely opposes.

"The argument that the Justice Department is making here, is you know, the fundamental question, which is where does state authority begin and end when it comes to federal immigration law?" said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the American Immigration Council.

The Arizona statue relies on a law passed by the U.S. Congress in 1986, which made clear federal law preempts the states on immigration – but left one exception: "The provisions of this section preempt any state or local law imposing civil or criminal sanctions (other than through licensing and similar laws) upon those who employ unauthorized aliens."

"Congress said very clearly that licensing and similar laws can be used to impose consequences on employers who hire unauthorized aliens at the state level," said Kris Kobach, a law professor at the University of Missouri, Kansas City. "And that's exactly what Arizona did."

Oddly enough, the law in question was signed in 2007 by then-Gov. Janet Napolitano, now Obama's Homeland Security secretary.

Not only that, but the law was upheld by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

"And bear in mind that 9th Circuit is generally regarded as one of the more liberal circuits in the United States – and so the Obama administration, evidently, believes that the 9th Circuit views on this question is too conservative for this administration," Kobach said.

And this is yet another issue in the ongoing tug of war between Washington and the states, especially Arizona.

"The idea that states can't be involved in immigration law in any way is wrong," Johnson said. "The states have always had a role to play in immigration enforcement. The tricky part is defining where that authority begins and ends."

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ALERT! Obama challenges (another) Arizona immigration law in Supreme Court!

Not content with criticism and threats against Arizona's new immigration law, the Obama Administration has asked the Supreme Court to overturn rulings by lower courts that upheld a previous Arizona law allowing the state to revoke the business licenses of employers who intentionally or knowingly hire illegal aliens. The Legal Arizona Workers Act, which passed in 2007 and took effect Jan. 1st, 2008, allows the state to suspend or revoke the business licenses of employers that violate the law.

A three-judge panel of the most liberal Court of Appeals in the U.S., the Ninth Circuit, unanimously upheld the constitutionality of the Legal Arizona Workers Act. The panel rejected the plaintiffs' claims that the act violated the supremacy and due process clauses of the U.S. Constitution.

Attorney General Holder and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano vociferously criticized Arizona's new immigration law, and then admitted they had not read the bill. Now Obama is seeking to overturn a law Arizona passed in 2007.


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Ask President Obama to withdraw the Justice Department's brief against Arizona in the Supreme Court and put the federal government back in the business of enforcing our immigration laws.

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Attorney General Holder and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano vociferously criticized Arizona's new immigration law, and then admitted they had not read the bill.
 
Now Obama is seeking to overturn a law Arizona passed in 2007.
 
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all you need put is your zip to find the names for your state
 
write to them all...   they all need to know. ( house and senate )
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Illegal Aliens

 

The Obama Administration's defense of "comprehensive immigration reform" (a.k.a amnesty) was presented by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano in an address at the Center for American Progress on November 13, 2009. The following analysis uses statements made by the Secretary to identify the Administration's arguments and then discusses the logic or illogic of the statement.

Napolitano"Everybody recognizes that our current system isn't working and that our immigration laws need to change."

Analysis — It is not so much that our immigration laws need to change as enforcement of our immigration laws needs to change. It doesn't matter what laws are on the books if DHS will not enforce them. Napolitano's statement implies that because foreigners continue to ignore our immigration laws they need to be changed. That sidesteps the real issue of how can foreigners and US employers be made to respect and comply with the law. The Administration's view appears to be that employers who want cheap labor and foreign workers who want jobs should be accommodated rather than defending the best interests of the American people. Illegal immigration will continue until there is widespread awareness that it will not be tolerated and neither illegal aliens nor their employers will be able to continue to flout the law. Besides, the change in the law that the Administration advocates is an amnesty for the current millions of illegal aliens and an increased level of legal immigration — both of which are rejected by the majority of Americans.

Napolitano"I'm referring to what I call the "three-legged stool" that includes a commitment to serious and effective enforcement, improved legal flows for families and workers, and a firm but fair way to deal with those who are already here."

Analysis — All should agree that there should be "serious and effective enforcement." Clearly, if anyone who wanted to work in the United States were allowed to come legally, there would be less illegal immigration, but this would not be in the interests of U.S. workers and the general public. That is an issue that must be faced and cannot be glibly sidestepped. "Improved legal flows" means increased legal immigration. With more than a million immigrants receiving 'green cards' each year since 2000, current immigration is swamping the nation's assimilation capacity and causing most of the rapid population increase that is jeopardizing the nation's environmental future. "A firm but fair way to deal with those already here" is a code term for amnesty. It means allowing illegal aliens to stay permanently unless they have a criminal record. Requirements to pay some back taxes and to learn English are meaningless, because past practice demonstrates that these requirements will be forgotten or waived in the process of granting legal status.

So, of the three legs of the stool, only one leg — law enforcement — makes sense and has broad public support, and support for even that leg depends on what law is to be enforced and whether the enforcement is effective.

Napolitano"Americans value our identity as both a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws."

Analysis — Respect for the law, and valuing our immigration history does not mean that the United States must accept the never-ending millions who say they would like to come here, nor does it mean that employers, who would like to be hire millions of cheap foreign workers, must be accommodated. Legal immigration has soared from about a quarter million persons per year in the late 1960s to more than one million a year since 2000. Our immigration history unfortunately includes periods of severe exploitation of foreign workers in sweatshops and in agriculture. Our laws that restrict legal immigration and outlaw illegal immigration are intended to prevent such abuse. Unfortunately, the lack of will by recent administrations to enforce those laws is reigniting the immigration abuses of the past.

Napolitano"The security of the Southwest border has been transformed from where it was in 2007"

Analysis — Border fencing has made illegal entry more difficult, as has the increase in Border Patrol personnel and resources — including the currently abandoned National Guard presence. But, the US borders are far from secure. And, most of the enhanced border security measures Napolitano cited were begun during the second term of the Bush Administration, such as the increase in Border Patrol agents and the passage of the Secure Fence Act. The Obama Administration has refused to let the National Guard be redeployed to the border despite requests from border states. Napolitano cites progress in stopping the flow of cash, guns and drugs across the border, but this does not translate into stopping the illegal flow of people. Our continued inability to control our border would not be improved by amnesty, because that would only increase the temptation to enter illegally. The only real way to effectively fight the people smugglers is by diminishing their clientele by shutting down the U.S. job opportunities that attract illegal entrants.

Napolitano"We have replaced old [interior enforcement] policies that merely looked tough with policies that are designed to actually be effective."

Analysis — The opposite is the case. DHS under Napolitano has abandoned an enforcement effort that was resulting in prosecution of employers and removal of illegal workers and replaced it with a policy that is focused on employment document audits. That policy shift may inconvenience some employers and cause some illegal aliens to lose their jobs, but it leaves the illegal worker the opportunity to take another job that otherwise would be filled by an American worker. This new policy abandons any effective deterrence against hiring illegal workers through prosecution. Furthermore, DHS has cut back on one of the most promising interior enforcement operations. The 287(g) immigration enforcement program that assists local agencies in partnering with DHS has been restricted so that locally deputized police can no longer count on DHS to back them up when they apprehend illegal aliens.

Napolitano"New biometric technology allows us to take the fingerprints of people coming into the United States and compare their prints against databases we couldn't access before."

Analysis — Napolitano would have the public believe that the nation now is safer because DHS is collecting the fingerprints of foreign travelers. But, that does nothing to solve the problem of our vulnerability to foreigners staying illegally and taking American jobs. Arriving illegal entrants get fingerprinted only if they are apprehended by the Border Patrol. Furthermore, it is dissimulation to claim that the fingerprinting of arriving foreign travelers will be an effective deterrent to illegal residence and working in the U.S. as long as there continues to be no record of the departure of foreigners that can be matched with entry data to identify foreigners staying illegally.

Napolitano "DHS needs immigration reform."

Analysis — Napolitano states she wants tougher enforcement laws against smugglers and fines against employers of illegal workers. Congress could pass those changes in a heartbeat if it were not for the fact that the Administration is holding those reforms hostage to their efforts to leverage adoption of an amnesty for illegal aliens.

Napolitano "We will never have fully effective law enforcement or national security as long as so many millions remain in the shadows."

Analysis — Effective immigration law enforcement and national security clearly require reducing the illegal alien population. But, rather than an amnesty that rewards illegal immigration - as was done in 1986 — true reform requires that the illegal alien population be reduced through enforcement. Effective denial of the jobs aliens come to take illegally is necessary to encourage them to return to their homeland.

Napolitano "We have to make sure the immigration system works to support American families, businesses and workers."

Analysis — By "support American families," Napolitano appears either to be thinking that anyone living in the United States, without regard to their legal status, is an American family or is using that phrase to describe illegal alien families that contain a U.S. citizen. The children born here to illegal aliens — anchor babies — are U.S. citizens and cannot be deported even though they usually will also have the nationality of their parents, i.e., dual nationals, and that creates an emotional context in fighting deportation. But, Napolitano's statement ignores the fact that U.S. policy assists families to stay together by accommodating deported aliens in taking their dependent U.S. children with them. Secretary Napolitano's reference to supporting American businesses, boils down to allowing employers of illegal aliens, who have benefited from their willingness to work for lower wages than American workers, to be able to continue to have those services available by making the workers legal through an amnesty. The alternative, of course, is to deny the employers the continued access to the foreign workers so that they will hire unemployed Americans. By support for American workers, Napolitano appears to be thinking of illegal workers, because they are the only ones who would benefit by amnesty. Amnesty would permanently undermine wages and working conditions as well as undercut job opportunities for unemployed American workers, and it would perpetuate future illegal immigration.

Napolitano"[Amnesty for illegal aliens] will strengthen our economy as these immigrants become full-paying taxpayers."

Analysis — Aside from the recognition that most illegal workers and their employers cheat by ignoring the tax laws, this statement is wrong. While more taxes might be collected from workers if they were using valid Social Security numbers, the alien workers would also gain a greater opportunity to apply for credits and refunds, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit and child credits for poor workers with families. That would mean a drain on tax revenue rather than an increase. Furthermore, the greatest possible economic gain would result from putting unemployed Americans to work so that welfare and unemployment payments would decrease. In addition, illegal alien reduction through enforcement would reduce the flow of foreign remittances being sent out of the country. Those billions of dollars sent abroad cost the United States not only in the balance of payments debt, but also as a result of the impact on the U.S. economy from lost sales, production and jobs.

Napolitano"Executives in Silicon Valley...want to increase their workforce and help get the economy moving again, but some of the major barriers they have to growing their companies are visa laws that make it difficult for high-skilled foreigners to stay here to work."

Analysis — High-tech employers continue to hire foreign workers while similarly qualified American workers are laid off.1 There is no requirement that American workers be given preference before a company hires foreign high tech workers. More than 20,000 U.S. high-tech jobs were lost in July 2009.2 Foreign workers are not smarter or better educated than U.S. workers, but they are more easily exploitable and accept lower wages. If high-tech employers really prized their foreign workers, they would sponsor more of them for immigrant visas at the end of the 6-year nonimmigrant visas. Instead they find it easier to replace those foreign employees — like they do American employees — with a new crop of younger foreign workers. It should come as no surprise that U.S. high-tech employers would like to expand the practice that already allows for more than 100,000 jobs a year to go to foreign professional workers through H-1B visas, intra-company transfer visas and NAFTA visas.

Napolitano"We need to revise our current provisions for legal migration to help assure a legal workforce in cases where businesses can't find Americans to fill their jobs."

Analysis — This statement ignores the fact that businesses should never be allowed to discriminate against American workers by hiring foreign workers at lower wages. Our law already provides visa programs that allow U.S. businesses to hire guest workers until market forces can supply American workers. Unfortunately, however, agricultural and other employers have been allowed to become addicted to exploiting illegal alien workers, leading to depressed wages that now discourage American workers from taking these jobs. This merely perpetuates the employers' claim that Americans do not want the jobs and needs to be reversed. This practice of exploitation may be seen in the fact that most seasonal crop employers choose to hire illegal workers rather than use the legal guestworker program that has higher costs resulting from the protections for both the American and foreign workers.

Napolitano "No one should have to wait in a line for years in order to reunite with a spouse or a young child."

Analysis — Immigrant visas allow a spouse and minor children to accompany the principal visa recipient with no wait. The new foreign spouse of a U.S. citizen similarly is not delayed by any numerical limits, and that applies to the minor children of that spouse if there are any at the time of the marriage. So, what is Secretary Napolitano talking about? She likely is referring to the immigrant from a country that already has a very large immigration flow and has run into per country limits — like India or China — who decides to return to the home country to find a spouse. In that narrow circumstance, spouses of immigrants may face a long wait for a visa. The alternative to the wait is for the immigrant to become a U.S. citizen before deciding to seek a foreign spouse.

Napolitano "We must modernize our laws for the 21st century."

Analysis — What Secretary Napolitano describes as 'modernization' is really a pretext for adopting a new amnesty for illegal aliens. If DHS vigorously enforced the law, our current system would work infinitely better. Rather than adopt an amnesty to permanently accommodate millions of immigration lawbreakers, the country needs to restore a moderate level of immigration — far fewer than the more than one million legal immigrants arriving each year added to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, further added to by the more than 100,000 new guestworkers arriving each year. America in the 21st century has different needs than America in the 20th or 19th century. The country no longer depends on large numbers of manual laborers for our industrial production. Our country is now densely populated in our major cities that merge into one another. It makes no sense to expand immigration by legal or illegal means. U.S. law should recognize our current demographic limits and revert to a moderate level of legal immigration and discourage illegal immigration. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the form of modernization that Ms. Napolitano supports.

 

  1. "H-1B visa use by U.S. firms holds steady in '09," Computer World, December 14, 2009, (website consulted December18, 2009). "U.S. firms, despite cutbacks in their own staffs and an overall decline in IT employment, continued to hire people using H-1B visas. That list includes Microsoft, Intel and IBM's India operation."
  2. "November Tech Job Cuts Take Dip, But Trend Is Still Up," BNET website consulted December 18, 2009.
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...The Arizona law that the court will review during its term starting in October
 
 imposes sanctions on employers who hire illegal immigrants.
 
 
 It is not the new Arizona law that President Obama and other members of his administration have recently criticized.
 
 
 
 
 
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Another outrageous Obama DHS appointment
By Michelle Malkin  •  June 28, 2010 11:24 AM
Unfortunately it now seems to be the norm with this administration to have anti-enforcement people in charge of enforcement.
 
Harold Hurrt is an outspoken critic of immigration enforcement who will become the public face of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and is the Napolitano/Obama prospective choice to head up the agency’s Office of State and Local Coordination (OSLC).  It is the primary position overseeing ICE’s Section 287 (g) program, which works with and allows state and local law enforcement to enforce immigration laws and round up illegal aliens.  Ice agents are very upset and believe this is a disgrace and the progressives way to further kill immigration enforcement.  Good carreer ICE agents are leaving over this appointment.
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"These open-borders sympathizers endanger us all — and it will only prompt more of an Arizona-style backlash in other states and cities across the country."
 
'Illegal alien sanctuary' or rule of law community: It’s your choice."
 
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....President Obama's Labor Secretary Hilda Solis is suppose to represent American workers.
 
...taxpayer-funded advertising and outreach campaign to illegal aliens regarding fair wages: continue reading......
 
...At a Latino voter registration project conference in Los Angeles many years ago, Solis asserted to thunderous applause, “We are all Americans, whether you are legalized or not.”
 
....While in Congress, she opposed strengthening the border fence, supported expansion of illegal alien benefits (including driver’s licenses and in-state tuition discounts), embraced sanctuary cities that refused to cooperate with federal homeland security officials to enforce immigration laws, and aggressively championed a mass amnesty. Solis was steeped in the pro-illegal alien worker organizing movement in Southern California and was buoyed by amnesty-supporting Big Labor groups led by the Service Employees International Union (see also Trevor Loudon’s profile of her radical far-left ties).
 
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How in the hell can Americans vote for such nitwits? These people are so out of touch with reality.

Congressman Pete Stark has served in Congress since 1973.

This guys been in office for 37 years, you mean to tell me that he's that special that no one else can fill that seat? Really?

"THE BORDERS ARE QUITE SECURE". Congressman Pete Stark's Town hall meeting in Fremont CA
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Translating the Code Words of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"


What the Illegal Alien Lobby Says Versus What They Really Mean


The illegal alien special interests are working overtime making their last ditch pitch for amnesty before mid-terms elections, robotically reciting how they want to "fix" our immigration problems. In today's media spin-cycle, consistency counts, repetition rules and the illegal alien lobby is true to form, all working from the same playbook, line by line, word for word. Whether it's the National Council for LaRaza, the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, or America's Voice arguing for amnesty, you can rest assured that they will use any one, or any combination of, the phrases below:

"We need to fix our broken immigration system. We need a path to citizenship for undocumented workers so they can go to the back of the line, get right with the law, and implement an orderly flow of needed workers, and a policy which secures the borders."

For those in the know, of course, it's all nonsense — word play and empty promises. Fortunately, the code words can be deciphered and their true motives revealed with a minimal of effort:

Fix A Broken System: On its surface this sounds good, urgent and necessary, but as Plato said, "Everything that deceives is said to enchant." Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has been leading the amnesty lobby by repeating the phrase "we must fix a broken immigration system" and "we need 21st century laws." When they say the system is broken they actually mean illegal aliens face deportation, and that America is not admitting enough legal immigrants fast enough. The fact is illegal aliens aren't supposed to be in the United States — by definition they do not have legal status. As regards our level of legal immigration, America currently allows in more than one million people a year, more than any other industrialized country on the planet.

The bottom line is that the only thing broken about our immigration system is an unwillingness to impose sensible limitations and enforce the laws. Truth in labeling might suggest that their version of "fixing a broken system" should be read as "making a broken system worse."

Path to Citizenship: Euphemisms for amnesty wear thin quickly so the new phrase "path to citizenship" and "earned legalization" has also entered the lexicon. We already have a "path to citizenship" and it starts with applying for a green card and getting in line. "Earned legalization" is kind of crafty. It implies that as long as illegal aliens actually have to do something, no matter how inconsequential like paying a modest fine, it is not really amnesty. Beware of both phrases. Substitute the word "amnesty" and remind yourself it applies to 13 million illegal aliens and the context and consequences become abundantly clear.

Go to the Back of the Line:To most people, going to the back of the line would mean returning home, visiting the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate, filling out the necessary forms, and then waiting for a reply. What amnesty advocates mean by going to the back of the line is that we create a brand new line for those who have broken the law right here in this country.

Get Right with the Law:This beguiling phrase is meant to imply that that amnesty recipients will follow the rule of law. If illegal aliens have already broken the law, what assurance do we have they will follow the law now? This phrase also suggests that administratively converting 13 million people from illegal status to legal status "gets them right with the law." Accommodating law-breaking by simply rewriting the rules to fit the circumstances is one of the most insidious aspects of amnesty.

Undocumented Workers: Given the huge sums of money the special interests have, one would assume their high-paid consultants would have told them that this euphemism expired years ago. We all know it means illegal aliens, but amnesty advocates believe that using the adjective "undocumented" magically erases the illegality, while claiming they are "workers" suggests all are gainfully employed, which they're often not. And very few who do work pay taxes. The proper reference is "illegal aliens." "Illegal" means prohibited by law. Yes, entry without inspection into the U.S is prohibited. And "alien" is a term defined in 8 U.S.C. Section 1101 and used by legal professionals across the board including the United States Supreme Court. It's ok to say illegal aliens. You'll be in good company.

Orderly Flow of Workers: This is a phrase that by its own definition assumes we actually need more workers. It refers to our foreign guest worker program. In addition to the 1.2 million legal immigrants the U.S. admits each year, and the 13 million illegal aliens currently living here, the U.S. also brings in another one million foreign nationals through work visas year after year. With a national unemployment rate of 9.9 percent and 25 million Americans either unemployed or working part-time involuntarily, any endorsement of our massive foreign guest worker flow, or a suggestion that we should increase it, should be challenged on the grounds that it is imposing unfair competition for scarce jobs. Instead of "orderly flow of workers" the proper translation is "more foreign labor to take your job."

Secure the Border: They save the biggest and boldest claim for last. Amnesty advocates promise to secure the border for no other reason than to make their plans for massive amnesty more palatable. The special interests don't mean it and they don't want to do it. After all, they have stymied every single piece of immigration enforcement legislation in recent years and relentlessly pressured the Obama administration to systematically dismantle most existing immigration enforcement. But, they remember all too well that the amnesty bill of 2007 was shot down because Americans could see that the borders were not secure and that meaningful interior enforcement was nonexistent. The amnesty lobby may remember 2007, but we remember 1986 when, in exchange for roughly 3 million illegal aliens getting their amnesty, the American public was promised more enforcement. That grand bargain rewarded illegal aliens with citizenship while the American public got squat. Promised enforcement was simply a deceitful bargaining chip to advance an amnesty agenda. Their repeated claim that they want to secure the border rings hollow given their record of working against it.

There is immigration enforcement and then there is amnesty. One has nothing to do with the other and true immigration reformers know this. Revealing the motives of the illegal alien lobby is an ongoing responsibility because as Burke said, "a very great part of the mischiefs that vex this world arise from words."

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On this Fourth of July, I wish you and your family a safe and happy Independence Day.  This is a wonderful time to spend with our family and friends. 

I also encourage you to take some time to cherish the freedom that our forefathers fought against tyranny to obtain and the generations that have followed have stood proudly to preserve.

Protecting our country and defending our safety is as critical today as it was 234 years ago.   Just as relevant today as back then, our forefathers held the simple truth that preserving our freedom demands an adherence to the rule of law. 

President Roosevelt said, “No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man’s permission when we require him to obey it. Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor.”

Freedom without safety is easily compromised and eventually lost.  As we celebrate our freedom, we are reminded that our social contract to follow the laws of our nation is what makes it possible.

As our forefathers taught us when they signed the Declaration of Independence, all challenges can be met and all perils can be overcome.  God bless you and your families, and may God bless Arizona and the United States of America.

Happy Fourth of July!

 
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 "They have spent the last three months declaring this unconstitutional on the basis of discrimination.  If that were true, the government would have made that its primary argument.  The fact that they’re going with pre-emption means that they’re conceding that the discrimination argument never held water — and that their accusations of bigotry against Arizonans were nothing more than demagoguery."

Feds to claim pre-emption in fight against AZ immigration-enforcement law

posted at 1:36 pm on July 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The Department of Justice will file a lawsuit this week, perhaps as early as today, against Arizona to block its new immigration-enforcement law.  They plan to use the weakest argument possible, that of pre-emption, which amounts to a surrender on the grounds that the Obama administration has claimed in the previous three months of debate:

The Justice Department has decided to file suit against Arizona on the grounds that the state’s new immigration law illegally intrudes on federal prerogatives, law enforcement sources said Monday.

The lawsuit, which three sources said could be filed as early as Tuesday, will invoke for its main argument the legal doctrine of “preemption,” which is based on the Constitution’s supremacy clause and says that federal law trumps state statutes. Justice Department officials believe that enforcing immigration laws is a federal responsibility, the sources said. …

The preemption doctrine has been established in Supreme Court decisions, and some legal experts have said such a federal argument likely would persuade a judge to declare the law unconstitutional.

But lawyers who helped draft the Arizona legislation have expressed doubt that a preemption argument would prevail.

Why might they be skeptical of this approach?  The argument relies on a position that claims that the federal government is the only sovereign with jurisdiction to enforce immigration laws.  They may need to explain, then, the DoJ effort to train state and local law enforcement on immigration law and enforcement.  The program, called Basic Immigration Enforcement Training (BIET), offers the following training:

A rising immigrant population in the U.S. has led to a dramatic increase in local, state, and tribal law enforcement encounters with both legal and illegal immigrants during routine police duties. As immigration continues to affect interior communities, there is an increasing demand for law enforcement officers to have a working knowledge of immigration law and policy.

BIET is a highly interactive, self-paced multimedia training program that addresses the immigration knowledge requirements of local, state, and tribal law enforcement officers. BIET addresses a wide range of topics including:

  • False identification
  • Identifying valid identification documents
  • Consular notification
  • Diplomatic immunity
  • Nonimmigrant visas
  • Immigrant and nonimmigrant status
  • Law Enforcement Support Center resources

BIET was developed by Cameron University and Advanced Systems Technology, Inc. with funding received from the U.S. Department of Justice COPS Office. The pilot program was available for free to the first 500 officers from law enforcement departments.

It seems rather clear that the DoJ intended to get state and local law enforcement involved in immigration efforts.  Arizona’s law doesn’t set up the state as an adjudicator of the complaints, but merely requires police to check status and refer suspects to ICE when circumstances warrant.  It doesn’t violate federal prerogative at all, but instead forces the federal government to act responsibly to enforce the law.

Besides, this issue of pre-emption works the other direction.  Does this mean that state and local police have no jurisdiction to enforce federal drug laws if they don’t violate state or local law?  Terrorism?  Wire fraud?  If a court rules that referrals to federal agencies from state and local law enforcement are unconstitutional on the basis of pre-emption, it will make the Gorelick Wall look like like a curb.

Furthermore, this is weak tea compared to the Obama administration’s rhetoric on the subject.  They have spent the last three months declaring this unconstitutional on the basis of discrimination.  If that were true, the government would have made that its primary argument.  The fact that they’re going with pre-emption means that they’re conceding that the discrimination argument never held water — and that their accusations of bigotry against Arizonans were nothing more than demagoguery.

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"The Court Of Public Opinion Is On Arizona’s Side. I was reading the comments to that yahoo article above, and they were all siding with Arizona. Yahoo isn’t necessarily a Conservative or Liberal. The MSNBC poll had over 2 million votes so that’s a good sampling and they came out 95% in favor of Arizona’s Law. I would describe MSNBC as very Liberal."


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"As a former Maryland resident, I got to see Perez’s militant friends and colleagues in action. I watched Casa de Maryland president Gustavo Torres (who met with President Obama last week) complain that motor vehicle administration officials have “absolutely no right to ask for people’s Social Security number or immigration status to get a driver’s license.” I stood among Casa de Maryland grievance-mongers who shouted “No license, no justice! No justice, no peace!” while playing the race card against naturalized Americans and legal immigrants who opposed the illegal alien welfare state."

 

Open-borders DOJ vs. America

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 7, 2010 09:43 AM

My column today looks at one of the champions of illegal immigration inside the DOJ: Civil Rights Division chief/assistant attorney general Thomas E. Perez. Related read: Doug Ross spotlights another member of the Sue Arizona team – Tony West. Know your enemies.

Open-borders DOJ vs. America
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The Obama administration’s lawsuit against Arizona, officially unveiled on Tuesday, is an affront to all law-abiding Americans. It is a threatening salvo aimed at all local, county, or state governments that dare to take care control of the immigration chaos in their own backyards. And it is being driven by open-borders extremists who have dedicated their political careers to subverting homeland security policies in the name of compassion and diversity.

The Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, headed by Assistant Attorney General Thomas E. Perez, took the lead in prepping the legal brief against Arizona. The son of immigrants from the Dominican Republic, Perez is a far Left lawyer and activist who worked for the late mass illegal alien amnesty champion Teddy Kennedy and served in the Clinton administration DOJ. While holding down a key government position there in which he was entrusted to abide by the rule of law, Perez volunteered for Casa de Maryland – a notorious illegal alien advocacy group funded through a combination of taxpayer-subsidized grants and radical liberal philanthropy, including billionaire George Soros’s Open Society Institute (not to mention more than $1 million showered on the group by Venezuelan thug Hugo Chavez’s regime-owned oil company, CITGO).

Perez rose from Casa de Maryland volunteer to president of the group’s board of directors. Under the guise of enhancing the “multicultural” experience, he crusaded for an ever-expanding set of illegal alien benefits from in-state tuition discounts for illegal alien students to driver’s licenses. Casa de Maryland opposes enforcement of deportation orders, has protested post-9/11 coordination of local, state, and national criminal databases, and produced a “know your rights” propaganda pamphlet for illegal alien depicting federal immigration agents as armed bullies making babies cry.

In 2006, Casa de Maryland threatened to protest at the schools of children whose parents belonged to the pro-immigration enforcement group, the Minutemen – and then headed into the Montgomery County, Md., public schools to recruit junior amnesty protesters who were offered school credits for traveling with Casa de Maryland to march on Washington.

As a former Maryland resident, I got to see Perez’s militant friends and colleagues in action. I watched Casa de Maryland president Gustavo Torres (who met with President Obama last week) complain that motor vehicle administration officials have “absolutely no right to ask for people’s Social Security number or immigration status to get a driver’s license.” I stood among Casa de Maryland grievance-mongers
who shouted “No license, no justice! No justice, no peace!” while playing the race card against naturalized Americans and legal immigrants who opposed the illegal alien welfare state.

Perez himself derided secure-borders citizen activists as “xenophobes,” but denied painting the grass-roots immigration enforcement movement as racist. Questioned by GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions during his Obama DOJ confirmation hearing last year about the illegal alien rights guide produced by Casa de Maryland, Perez grudgingly stated that “the Civil Rights Division must not act in contravention to valid enforcement actions of our federal immigration laws.”

But “act[ing] in contravention” is exactly, of course, what the Civil Rights Division is doing in spearheading the challenge to Arizona’s valid enforcement actions of our federal immigration law.

Perez, Attorney General Eric Holder, and the rest of the open-borders DOJ team have invoked “preemption” doctrine based on the U.S. Constitution’s supremacy clause to attack Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration measure and oppose local and state enforcement of federal immigration laws. Never mind that the Arizona law was drafted scrupulously to comply with all federal statutes and the Constitution.

You gotta love Obama’s fair-weather friends of the Constitution. When a state acts to do the job the feds won’t do, Obama’s legal eagles run to the Founding Fathers for protection. When, on the other hand, left-wing cities across the country pass illegal alien sanctuary policies that flagrantly defy national immigration laws and hamper cross-jurisdiction enforcement, the newfound federal preemption advocates are nowhere in sight.

The Obama DOJ’s lawsuit against Arizona is sabotage of the people’s will and the government’s fundamental responsibility to provide for the common defense.

No border enforcement, no security. No security, No peace.

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If 'Preemption' is the primary basis of the lawsuit against Arizona what about 'Sanctuary cities'?

 
Let's see.......Although sanctuary city policies are illegal under Federal law, the DOJ and this administration is prosecuting Arizona for upholding and enforcing the Federal Rule of Law.
Federal immigration laws preempt sanctuary city ordinances. Why is the DOJ not prosecuting there.
 
Why the focus on Arizona?   Could it be they do not want the laws enforced or the border secure for political reasons. Maybe for future undocumented Votes?  Rhode Island is enforcing Federal Immigration Laws?  Why not prosecute them.?
Hmmmmmmmm.
 
 Sanctuary Cities

Several US cities have instructed their own law enforcement personnel and other city employees not to notify or cooperate with the federal government when they become aware of illegal immigrants living within their jurisdiction..... The measures violate federal law as the cities are in effect creating their own immigration policy, an area of law which only Congress has authority to alter.[94]  Wikipedia

"Excuse me, Sanctuary cities are a direct violation of United States Immigration Law. What exactly is meant by sanctuary anyway. There is no war in Mexico or south of the border. Mexicans aren’t being persecuted in Mexico. American taxpayers are being persecuted by their politicians. Illegal immigration, is nothing more than a humongous distribution of money scheme, from what’s left of the American middle class to the illegal foreign nationals. This persecution business and the people who bring it up, have their thinking a bit inverted."  Comment

http://azcapitoltimes.com/blog/2010/02/24/sanctuary-cities-bill-ready-for-debate-on-house-floor/

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Feds Sue Arizona…But, What About Rhode Island?

by Publius

Michael Graham in today’s Boston Herald:

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Anyway, if enforcing immigration law is a bad thing for local cops to do, as Holder claims, why pick on Arizona? If he’s really upset that the same laws he has taken an oath to enforce might actually get (gulp!) enforced, why isn’t he suing Providence instead of Phoenix? They’ve been doing local immigration enforcement for years now.

As The Boston Globe-Democrat reported yesterday, “From Woonsocket to Westerly, the troopers patrolling the nation’s smallest state are reporting all illegal immigrants they encounter, even on routine stops such as speeding, to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.”

Even liberal Providence, where politicians long opposed any local enforcement efforts, changed its policy in 2008 after the infamous Marco Riz case.

Riz was the illegal immigrant arrested by Providence cops twice while under a federal deportation order but released both times. He was then charged with carjacking a woman in Warwick and raping her in Providence.

Rhode Island cops now routinely contact ICE when they suspect they’ve come across an illegal immigrant. Since 2006, the number of contacts they’ve made to ICE’s Law Enforcement Support Center in Vermont has nearly doubled, the Globe reported. How is this significantly different than Arizona’s proposed law?

Families who fear running into the next Marco Riz might think Rhode Island is onto something. But not Team Obama.

Read the whole thing here.

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Originally posted by sjf53 sjf53 wrote:

If 'Preemption' is the primary basis of the lawsuit against Arizona what about 'Sanctuary cities'?

 
Let's see.......Although sanctuary city policies are illegal under Federal law, the DOJ and this administration is prosecuting Arizona for upholding and enforcing the Federal Rule of Law.
Federal immigration laws preempt sanctuary city ordinances. Why is the DOJ not prosecuting there.
 
Why the focus on Arizona?   Could it be they do not want the laws enforced or the border secure for political reasons. Maybe for future undocumented Votes?  Rhode Island is enforcing Federal Immigration Laws?  Why not prosecute them.?
Hmmmmmmmm.
 
 
Thirty million potential Democrats can't be all wrong. The Dems are on the cusp of taking a major megapounding and will stoop to any level of antiAmericanism to keep power. The Republicans are just as guilty of, shall we say, taking liberties with voter turnouts. But the by far greatest voter fraud beneficiaries are the Democrats. There were actually more voters than living people living in many Minnesota districts. It was incredible.
 
We had ACORN people busing Somali immigrants from polling place to polling place here in Minnesota, then beforehand they'd sent in an absentee ballott. Because Minnesota does not require I.D. for voting some were bragging that they had voted upwards of ten times in the Presidential election. All you need here is someone to vouch for you that you live in a certain area and magically you're eligible to vote there. If I really wanted to I could literally vouch for the entirety of AvianFluTalk and all could be Minnesota voters. It's really that easy! Nobody would *EVER* take advantage of that system...  Would they?
 
We must really need Obama when even the dead rise up to cast their ballott in his favor.
 
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No Concern For U.S. Unemployed In President's Big Amnesty Speech This Morning

 

By Roy Beck, Updated Thursday, July 1, 2010, 3:20 PM EDT - posted on NumbersUSA

Once again Pres. Obama has shown that he considers immigration to be primarily a game of political calculation rather than an issue that deeply affects how many millions of U.S. workers must remain unemployed.

His renewed call for massive numbers of work permits for foreign workers is an incredible slap in the face to the 25 million Americans who want a full-time job but cannot find one.

PRES. OBAMA DOESN'T KNOW THAT AMERICAN COLLEGE GRADS ARE HAVING ONE OF WORST YEARS EVER FOR FINDING A JOB

And while we provide students from around the world visas to get engineering and computer science degrees at our top universities, our laws discourage them from using those skills to start a business or power a new industry right here in the United States. Instead of training entrepreneurs to create jobs on our shores, we train our competition.

Everywhere I turn this summer I talk to college students, recent college grads and their parents who lament the difficulty -- sometimes the impossibility -- of finding a job in their professions.

I know that the President is aware of the terrible jobs environment. Why in the world would he stand up today and tell the nation that we need to make the job market worse for American kids by giving out even more work permits to foreign students?

JOBLESS AMERICANS ARE A SPECIAL INTEREST WHO MUST BE OPPOSED, ACCORDING TO SPEECH

In sum, the system is broken. And everybody knows it. Unfortunately, reform has been held hostage to political posturing and special-interest wrangling -– and to the pervasive sentiment in Washington that tackling such a thorny and emotional issue is inherently bad politics.

Folks, just who are the "special interests" who are blocking "comprehensive immigration reform?"

It looked like nearly every special interest in the nation was in that university auditorium applauding the President's appeal for more work permits for foreign workers. You had Big Business, Big Labor, Big Academe, Big Religion, Big Ethnic Grievance Groups, Big City Mayors, Big City Police Chiefs.

What you didn't have in that auditorium was the PUBLIC INTEREST. Groups representing the public interest -- like NumbersUSA -- look out for people across the spectrum regardless of race, religion, geography, occupation, education or age. The PUBLIC INTEREST groups are especially concerned about our fellow citizens in all those categories who can't find a job in this awful economy.

But apparently the President believes that fighting to protect the job prospects of the citizens of this country is "special-interest wrangling."

And he ridicules the idea that Members of Congress standing up for illegal aliens over their unemployed constituents is "inherently bad politics."

Which leads to the next big whopper in the President's speech . . . .

THE LIE THAT DEMOCRATS ARE UNITED BEHIND AN AMNESTY

Interestingly, Mr. Obama did not turn his speech into the Republican-bashing screed that the open-borders groups had requested. Various political publications had indicated that he had been urged to turn his speech into a major campaign effort to inspire voters to turn on Republicans in the fall congressional elections for having blocked "comprehensive immigration reform."

My guess is that the President realized that the truth in what several of those publications suggested -- that there are more votes to be gained this fall by opposing amnesty than by promoting it.

Nonetheless, Pres. Obama implied several times in his speech that getting the amnesty through depends totally on Republicans. The further implication in that is that he has the Democrats all lined up.

But the President has approximately 60% of both the House and Senate locked up by his own Party. Why did he not try to push through an amnesty last year or this year? The reason is that there are many Democrats in Congress who oppose favoring illegal aliens over jobless Americans. And there are many more Democrats who don't have the stomach for taking that stance before a contentious election.

The fact is that Mr. Obama may have little more than half of his own Party in Congress willing to increase work permits for foreign workers during incredibly high unemployment.

I thank the million NumbersUSA activists for making sure so many Democrats and nearly all Republicans in Congress firmly oppose what the Gathering of Special Interests today so greedily want.

PRESIDENT USES HIS FAILURE AT ENTRY/EXIT SYSTEM AS EXCUSE FOR AMNESTY

In fact, because we don’t do a very good job of tracking who comes in and out of the country as visitors, large numbers avoid immigration laws simply by overstaying their visas.

This was one of several references that the President made to his failure to enforce immigration laws already on the books.

But instead of pledging to do a better job in the future or acknowledging that as President he has it totally in his power to fix the problem he describes, he says the failure is the reason we must give permanent access to U.S. jobs to all illegal aliens in the country.

The program known as U.S. Visit languished under Pres. Bush even though Congress ordered it more than a decade ago. But Pres. Obama's Administration has shown even less interest in making sure that every person entering and leaving the U.S. checks into an electronic system so our central computer will know who has come in, who is still here and who has left on time.

Because Obama has failed to put this in place, he indicated today that everybody who overstayed their visa deserves to stay and hold U.S. jobs instead of unemployed Americans!

PROF. OBAMA DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IMMIGRATION HISTORY

Of course, the tensions around immigration are not new. On the one hand, we’ve always defined ourselves as a nation of immigrants -- a nation that welcomes those willing to embrace America’s precepts. Indeed, it is this constant flow of immigrants that helped to make America what it is. . .

Each new wave of immigrants has generated fear and resentments towards newcomers, particularly in times of economic upheaval

The President relayed the common false view of American history that immigration was somehow the main engine for U.S. progress, and that despite the constant bigotry of American natives, immigration was always good for the American people.

If the U.S. welcomed everybody in the world who were "willing to embrace America's precepts," we would easily have a billion people here now instead of the 310 million who already are over-burdening many of our natural resources and physical infrastructures.

Obama conveniently left out that in the past, America greatly reduced immigration during times of "economic upheaval." Instead during this time of massive unemployment, he stood there and made a speech for increases in foreign workers.

He further unscored his lack of historical knowledge by using the Statue of Liberty as if it were dedicated to immigration. In fact, "Liberty Enlightening the World" was intended to celebrate the U.S. as a model for the rule of law and individual freedom for other nations to emulate so their own citizens wouldn't need to think about moving somewhere else.

TOUTING WORKER VERIFICATION WHILE REFUSING TO SUPPORT IT IN CONGRESS

And we’re implementing and improving a system to give employers a reliable way to verify that their employees are here legally. But we need to do more. We cannot continue just to look the other way as a significant portion of our economy operates outside the law. It breeds abuse and bad practices. It punishes employers who act responsibly and undercuts American workers. And ultimately, if the demand for undocumented workers falls, the incentive for people to come here illegally will decline as well.

In fact, Pres. Obama continually opposes requiring businesses to verify their new hires. The SAVE Act in Congress dies on the vine even though it would easily pass if Senate and House leaders would allow a vote.

But Pres. Obama doesn't want mandatory E-Verify to pass because that would make it harder to pass an amnesty in the future.

This is the same reason that Pres. Obama refuses to secure the border even though it is fully in is power to do so. He needs the constant flow of illegal workers across the border so he can use a promise to eventually stop the flow as a bargaining chip to get an amnesty.

Every piece of enforcement that Mr. Obama promises to do AFTER an amnesty could be done right now.

Despite all the flowery language and his attempts to paint the majority of Americans as immoral because they oppose an amnesty, the President today failed to obscure the fact that our immigration system is broken because the person living in the White House -- as the three occupants before him -- refuses to do his job of enforcing the nation's immigration laws.

(12:45 p.m. Thursday) -- Some first thoughts on Pres. Obama's much touted speech on the need for "comprehensive immigration reform" this morning.

Rosemary Jenks, our NumbersUSA Director of Government Relations has these comments:

1) It is incredibly hypocritical for the President to talk about holding employers accountable when his DHS has basically stopped criminal prosecutions of employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens and has completely stopped worksite raids, and when his Justice Department is asking the Supreme Court to overturn Arizona's E-Verify law, and all despite the fact that 25 million US workers can't find full time jobs.

2) His contention that our borders are more secure than they've been in decades is ludicrous, but then, he wouldn't know that, since he hasn't been down there; his claim would come as a big surprise to the law enforcement officers and ranchers who have been shot or shot at in recent months by illegal aliens, and to the human and drug smugglers who are operating with impunity.

3) His contention that our immigration laws are unenforceable is interesting--how would he know, since he hasn't tried? When he took his oath of office and swore to faithfully execute the laws of the land, he didn't say, "except those I don't like, like immigration laws."

4) The only thing he was actually specific about was his support for amnesty for 11 million illegal aliens who, as he admitted, came here to take jobs from US workers who desperately need them during the current jobs depression.

5) His politicization of this issue is offensive. He talked about all the different groups he's met with, representing all kinds of views and faiths and beliefs. Unfortunately, the only groups he hasn't met with are those who represent the American people, who oppose his amnesty plan and his apparent plan to ratchet up already too high legal immigration levels. He also said that Republicans are the ones blocking CIR. Last I checked, Democrats control both the House and the Senate. The fact is that there are sufficient numbers of Democrats who actually represent their constituents and oppose amnesty, but instead of admitting that CIR simply doesn't have enough support to pass, he blames Republicans.

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Some comments:

"Double standard? Not so much as coming down on one side or the other in the war of The United States sovereignty. On one side we have people who are ignoring, negating or in opposition to federal law designed to preserve and protect our nation from foreign invaders. On the other side we have people who believe The United States is a sovereign country and think that our immigration laws were put in place for good reason. People who believe the United States Constitution is what makes our country the envy of the world where people have the freedom to succeed or fail without government interference vs people who desire to destroy the United States sovereignty, render the Constitution meaningless and control our social structure via a one world government. The current administration is using classic divide and conquer strategy by siding with a foreign country against AZ, promoting racial divides and protecting criminal activity."
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"The following quote is possibly the most moronic thing that has ever been said. Congrats Bush the Holder DOJ has knocked every quote you ever made out of the top 20 dumbest things of ALL TIME.
"There is a big difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law,"
So refusing to allow federal law to be enforced is NOT interfering but basically bolstering the federal law IS....Wow...I mean WOW."

Thursday, July 15, 2010 at 12:34 PM  
 

"using holder's logic, if i can convince my community to become a federal tax sanctuary community then we don't have to pay our federal taxes... yipppieeee for the laws of lawlessness."

 

DOJ Tries to Explain Sanctuary Double Standard, Fails

The Obama administration said this week that there is no reason to sue so-called sanctuary cities for refusing to cooperate with federal authorities, whereas Arizona's new immigration law was singled out because it "actively interferes" with enforcement.
 
"There is a big difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law," Tracy Schmaler, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., told The Washington Times. "That's what Arizona did in this case."
 
But the author of the 1996 federal law that requires states and localities to cooperate says the administration is misreading it, and says drawing a distinction between sanctuary cities and Arizona is "flimsy justification" for suing the state.

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Rep. Myrick: Hezbollah Major Threat on Mexican Border
Thursday, 15 Jul 2010 08:12 PM  

By: Jim Meyers

Rep. Sue Myrick tells Newsmax it is “very frightening” that the Iran-backed terrorist group Hezbollah has been sending agents to Mexico — and some have already entered the United States across the porous border.

The North Carolina Republican has asked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to set up a special task force to investigate the reports that Hezbollah is cooperating with drug cartels along the Mexican border.


In an exclusive Newsmax interview, Myrick — a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the GOP’s Deputy Whip — was asked what is known about Hezbollah’s threat to America.

“Our intelligence sources have really clarified that they are in Mexico, that there is an operation that is quite large in place there, and it’s very frightening to me because this is national security,” says Myrick, who was first elected in 1994.

“Yes, immigration’s a problem too, but this particular situation [involves] people who don’t like us for various reasons.

“We know some of them have gotten across the border in the past, and now we know that there are people from Iran who are going to Venezuela. They are actually learning Spanish, and then they come up through Mexico to cross our border. So they’re working in cahoots with Venezuela as well.”

About Hezbollah’s intentions in the U.S., Myrick says: “We don’t know. It used to be that most of those groups did not really target the United States. They were targeting other countries or they were staying inside their own area of influence. Now they are starting to target the United States and that’s my concern.

“I do want a task force of both U.S. and Mexican officials. Let’s get to the bottom of this and find out what is going on.

“The response I have received was a call that they would like to give me a private intelligence briefing because I’m on the Intelligence Committee. I said that would be fine, but I would like an answer about the task force first because once I get a briefing, I can’t talk about it.”

Sen. John Kyl, an Arizona Republican, has said he met privately with President Barack Obama and implored him to secure the border. Kyl claims Obama told him that if he did secure the border it would remove the incentive for comprehensive immigration reform or amnesty for illegals. Myrick says that “makes no sense whatsoever.”

She tells Newsmax: “It’s obvious that’s what he wants, amnesty. He’s said it over and over again. I don’t see it that way.

“Our responsibility at the federal government is to make sure that our borders are secure. Once the border is secure, like it is in some other places where we don’t have the problems that we do in the areas where it’s porous, then we’ll know who is in the country. We can control who comes into the country.

“It makes no sense to me whatsoever that you can’t secure the border because you can’t get amnesty.”

Myrick takes issue with Attorney General Eric Holder, who has filed suit against Arizona’s tough new law to battle illegal immigration.

“The federal government has not done its job,” she declares.
“Arizona is only trying to do what a state as the right to do, and that is to protect themselves.”

Turning to Iran, Myrick charges that the Obama administration is dragging its feet on dealing with the nuclear threat posed by the Islamic Republic.

“I think we should take a tougher stance and work harder with our partners in the world to make sure they do too,” she says.

The United Nations in its attempts to deal with Iran is “just a joke,” she adds. “They aren’t doing their job.”

Asked about the possibility that Israel may attack Iran’s nuclear facilities on its own, Myrick responds:

“I think Israel has the right to defend themselves. That option is there.

“I hope it does not come to that, but there needs to be something done to have a tougher stand with Iran.

“They aren’t going to be our friends. You can’t convince them they’re going to be our friends. They don’t operate that way. They don’t want to be friends. They want to conquer the world.”

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Please Secure the Borders before it is too late! 
 
 
 

Mayor: Car bomb in Mexican border town kills 3

By the CNN Wire Staff
July 16, 2010 1:14 p.m. EDT
Jesus Armando Acosta Guerrero, believed to be a leader in the Juarez cartel, was arrested in connection with the blast.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • NEW: A counterterrorism expert tells CNN there is "some confusion" about explosion
  • Mayor says it's the first car bomb attack against federal police
  • Three people died and seven were injured
  • Rival drug cartels are waging a turf battle in Ciudad Juarez

(CNN) -- A car bomb killed at least three people in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, the city's mayor, Jose Reyes Ferriz, said Friday.

It was the first time a car bomb has been used to attack federal police, the mayor said.

"The violence is escalating," he said.

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Here is one of the websites about the border situation.  It is grim.
 
 
 
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Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border 2: Drugs, Guns and 850 Illegal Aliens

 
Contact: Janice Kephart, 202-466-8185, jlk@cis.org

New Video: Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border 2



WASHINGTON (July 15, 2010) Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border 2: Drugs, Guns, and 850 Illegal Aliens is the Center for Immigration Studies' second web-based film on the impact of illegal alien activity in Arizona. The Center's first video on the subject, Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border: Coyotes, Bears, and Trails, has received over 52,000 views to date. This new 10-minute mini-documentary raises the bar, featuring footage of both illegal-alien entry as well as gun- and drug-smuggling. At minimum, the inescapable conclusion is that hidden cameras reveal a reality that illegal-alien activity is escalating.

The hidden camera footage, acquired from a variety of sources, indicates that there is an unfortunate lack of federal law enforcement presence on Arizonas federal land on the border in Nogales, in the Coronado National Forest (15 miles inside the border), and the Casa Grande Sector (80 miles inside the border). Also significant to the story are responses received as part of Freedom of Information Act requests made by Janice Kephart, the Centers Director of National Security Studies, in August 2009. Featured in the film is a 2004 federal government PowerPoint showing the near-complete devastation of a borderland national park due to illegal-alien activity, highlighting the disconnect between the situation on the ground in Arizona and Washington rhetoric.

Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border 2: Drugs, Guns, and 850 Illegal Aliens, is available online at: http://cis.org/Videos/HiddenCameras2

The first film, Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border: Coyotes, Bears, and Trails, is available at: http://cis.org/Videos/HiddenCameras-IllegalImmigration

The blog describing the federal government response to the July 2009 video is available at: http://www.cis.org/Kephart/HiddenCamerasUpdate

All of the Center for Immigration Studies videos are available online at: http://cis.org/Videos

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The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent research institution that examines the impact of immigration on the United States.






Credits:

Director/Writer/Narrator/B roll film:
Janice Kephart

Video Production/Graphics/Editing:
Bryan Griffith

Music Composition/Production/Editing:
Buddy Speir

Nogales/Casa Grande Footage:
SecureBorderIntel.org

Coronado Footage:
BorderInvasionPics.com
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Are you saying that Janet Napolitano, along with pretty much every single part of Obama's team is not only absolutely corrupt, but inept and utterly full of crap? Remember Janet Napolitano saying that the border is more secure today than ever before?

Are you saying that reality refutes everything these idiots say? A picture is worth a thousand words, but video is worth MILLIONS.

The problem for these liars is that it's not just an opinion anymore. They're willfully attempting to do damage to our country at this point for political gain and it's pathetic. We've now flirted with liberalism for almost two years and every facet of the Liberal plan, aside from upholding abortion rights and pushing forth stem cell research/cloning (Both of which I happen to agree with), has been an absolute unmitigated disaster.
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Turboguy, it must be all that Kool-Aid that Captain Kick Ass and his loyal sidekicks are drinking from the Rio Grande That's causing such delusions of border security!
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See Article below after definitions of Illegal and Crime/Criminal
il·le·gal (ĭ-lē'gəl)  
adj.
  1. Prohibited by law. 2.Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football. 3.Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.

n. An illegal immigrant.
il·le'gal·ly  adv.
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/ɪˈligəl/ Show Spelled[ih-lee-guhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
forbidden by law or statute.
2.
contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
–noun
3.
Informal . illegal alien.


 
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From Wikipedia

"Criminal" redirects here. For other uses, see Crime (disambiguation).
Crime is the breach of rules or laws for which some governing authority (via mechanisms such as legal systems) can ultimately prescribe a conviction. Individual human societies may each define crime and crimes differently. While every crime violates the law, not every violation of the law counts as a crime; for example: breaches of contract and of other civil law may rank as "offences" or as "infractions". Modern societies generally regard crimes as offenses against the public or the state, distinguished from torts (offenses against private parties that can give rise to a civil cause of action).

When informal relationships and sanctions prove insufficient to establish and maintain a desired social order, a government or a sovereign state may impose more formalized or stricter systems of social control. With institutional and legal machinery at their disposal, agents of the State can compel populations to conform to codes, and can opt to punish or to attempt to reform those who do not conform.

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Bingo Night for Detained Illegal Immigrants

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/15/sprucing-up-some-detention-centers-proposed/

July 15, 2010 - 4:49 PM | by: Jamie Colby

Last August, the Obama administration pledged to overhaul how those entering the U.S. illegally would be held and treated at detention centers across the country. Many who enter illegally but have not committed other crimes, are housed at Level 1 facilities run by Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE while those here illegally who have committed crimes are at more secure ICE detention centers classified as Level 2 or 3.

According to ICE, sometimes facilities provide housing for both but these populations are never mixed. The non-criminal, lower risk detainees could soon see the biggest changes in living conditions– 28 changes proposed in total – while even those at more secure detention facilities could see some, like improved access to legal libraries and other changes that will not however, according to ICE, put the public at risk.

News of the proposed changes came when The Houston Chronicle published a leaked, internal email from Corrections Corporation of America or CCA, a private contractor working for ICE. Check out the email below that lists the changes proposed. ICE confirms to Fox these are the improvements proposed by CCA that it is now considering.

The ACLU and other immigrant activist groups say upgrading conditions for detainees is a start, but most working on behalf of illegal immigrants want more sweeping reform. ACLU staff attorney Vanita Gupta tells Fox “some of them actually will make a difference in the living conditions of detainees, who I have to remind everyone, are not criminals."   Why are they not criminals?
But Chris Crane the president of AFGE 118 Council, the union representing ICE officers says “we have to take every precaution possible to make sure that they are safe and that our employees and officers inside these facilities are safe". Again, ICE tells Fox it hasn’t decided yet which of the CCA proposals will be approved and any that are, ICE insists will not put the public at risk. How about the cost of making these upgrades to detention? CCA picks up the cost, not taxpayers.

My producer Kathleen Foster and I were granted access to a Level 1 ICE facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey to observe both current conditions and some of the changes that are being tried out there. The healthcare provided was extensive, special meals are already available for those with dietary or religious needs, there’s a hair salon for the female detainees, a library including law books and access to lexis nexis legal cases as well as fitness and movie nights.

The ICE administrator that took us on our tour explained in his experience keeping detainees calm and healthy reduces the risk of disturbances. Take a look at what we observed and tell us what you think.

LEAKED EMAIL
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:38 PM
Subject: Immedate Attention - New ICE Requirements
Importance: High

Below, please find a list of facility modifications which we will
discuss at our upcoming meeting at 2:45 pm.

In addition [to the policy reforms], CCA will provide the following
no-cost improvements at each of those nine facilities. [Elizabeth;
Eloy; Florence; Houston; Laredo; Hall County; San Diego; Stewart; Hutto]

* Allow visitors to come for as long as they like during a 12-hour
period each day and on weekends.
* Increase availability of legal supplies and postage to indigent
detainees for legal correspondence.
* Add research resources at the law libraries.
* Play the "Know Your Rights" legal orientation video in each
housing unit every day (not in lieu of in person legal programs but in
addition to them).
* Increase contact visitation space for legal counsel.
* Design and provide an area at each facility for contact
visitation.
* Allow free movement within the institution for detainees of
appropriate classification levels.
* Allow detainees of appropriate classification levels to wear
their own clothing, within reasonable limitation, and providing
non-penal clothing for detainees to wear.
* Eliminate lock downs and lights out for appropriate
classification levels
* Reduce the frequency of and, as reasonable, wholly eliminate pat
down searches
* Provide more normalized common areas.

* Soften the look for the facility with hanging plants, flower
baskets, new paint colors, different bedding and furniture, wall
graphics and framed pictures on the walls, and enhance the aesthetics of
the living areas.
* Expand programming for detainees to include movie nights, bingo,
arts and crafts, dance, walk and exercise classes, health and welfare
classes, basic cooking classes, tutoring and self-paced computer
training on portable computer stations.
* Provide celebrations of special occasions and allowing a
detainee to receive outside, packaged food for celebrations and while
visiting with family and friends.
* Increase the number of phones and unmonitored lines for attorney
calls.
* Design new menus with greater variety and reduce repetition of
food
* Offer continental breakfasts that are completely self serve on
holidays and weekends.
* Provide fresh carrot sticks and celery or other vegetables in a
bar format.
* Provide self-serve beverage bars.
* Offer water and tea in the housing areas at all times.
* Provide a unit manger so detainees have someone available to
talk to and to solve problems in the facility other than the immediate
guard.
* Increase training unique to each facility so staff are aware of
the nature and needs of the population of each facility.
* Survey community-based immigration advocacy groups and
immigration attorneys for suggestions that may improve communication and
ease of access.
* Designate an employee at each facility for consular access
issues to improve consular access.
* Ensure third party legal education programs are made available
at all ICE sites.
* Provide four hours or more hours of recreation in a natural
setting, allowing for robust aerobic exercise.
* Provide email access for detainees, as is currently provided at
Hutto.
* Provide internet-based free phone service.

Do legal citizens who are detained have these facility modifications? 

At Taxpayers Expense.  The article leaves out that  (CCA) Corrections Corporation of America is a private-public (government ) partnership. 

I wonder what grants or funds they have received from the public (government) side?  They must really think the general population is stupid.

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it's all about the voting block.....Eliseo Medina, SEIU Vice Pres. and Democratic Socialists of America Honorary Chair

 
 
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/  Check out this site.............
 

Obama Adviser, Eliseo Medina, on Exploiting Immigrants for Socialist Power  -  Please Click to See Videos

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Eliseo Medina, SEIU Vice President and Democratic Socialists of America Honorary Chair, was the lead speaker at last weekend's 2010 Netroots Nation discussion of Civil Rights in the Modern Era.

Here Medina tugs on the heartstrings and plays on the emotions as he urges the gathered, mainly young "progressives" to unite behind the illegal illegal immigrant community. Medina is very careful to blur the line between illegal immigrants and Latino Americans.

His message is that by exploiting the Latino vote, "progressives" can carry several key states in November. To do that, the left must portray any resistance to illegal immigration as an attack on all Latinos.



Medina has more influence than most marxist activists.

In 2008 he served the the Obama campaign as a member of
Barack Obama's National Latino Advisory Council. As a vice president of the D.S.A. dominated SEIU, Medina can put tens of thousands of activists on the streets to promote his socialist agenda.



Speaking at the
2009 America's Future Now! (click for Video) conference in Washington DC, Medina was more matter of fact, more honest. This was an older crowd of hard core core "progressives". They didn't need the violins, they just wanted the numbers.

Here Medina plainly states that his campaign is purely about votes. Medina is pursuing "immigration reform" for one reason only 8 million new Democratic voters.

His aim is to "create a governing coalition for the long term"



That is "caring" socialism for you. Illegals immigrants are not individuals with hopes and dreams. their plight, their personal tragedies, are irrelevant. They not the result of irresponsible politicians unwilling to police U.S. borders.

They are simply numbers to be exploited, in the socialist pursuit of power.


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The Media continues to blatantly Lie and not tell the whole truth about SB 1070 for a political agenda.
 
The DOJ should prosecute Sanctuary Cities for blatantly disobeying the Federal Law.
 
We are a Nation of Laws.  Equal Justice under the Law for ALL.
 
"Social Justice" is being Abused to promote special interest groups over law abiding citizens.
 
The sovereignty of our country is at stake.  Secure the Borders! 
 
I am praying these groups are not sent to incite a violent reaction.  Code Pink and other radical groups will be in attendance as well.
 
 

L.A. union members, activists to caravan to Arizona to protest immigration law

More than 550 people representing 32 unions plan to travel in 11 buses for a rally at the state Capitol and a vigil with local groups on the day the law is set to take effect.

 
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On Arizona and Immigration: Judge Ignores Rule of Law

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As everyone knows, Arizona, chafed by the Federal government’s inability to control the flow of illegal immigrants into the State, enacted Senate Bill 1070 (PDF) in an effort to do something about the resulting collateral damage to it and its citizens. Now, a federal judge appointed by President Clinton, Susan Bolton, has temporarily blocked enforcement of portions of S.B. 1070, reasoning that those portions interfere with the Federal government’s system of immigration laws.

Significantly, Judge Bolton rejected the demand by the Obama Justice Department that the entire law be struck down. In fact, the judge upheld twelve different provisions of the law, including a prohibition on Arizona officials limiting the enforcement of federal immigration laws and another that allows Arizona citizens to sue any state official that adopts a policy of restricting such enforcement. The judge also upheld parts of the law intended to stop human smuggling, such as a provision that makes it possible to impound vehicles used to transport or harbor unlawfully present aliens.

Unfortunately, however, Judge Bolton (using very fallacious reasoning) did preliminarily block provisions (1) calling for Arizona law enforcement officials to verify the immigration status of individuals who are arrested when an officer has a reasonable suspicion that they are an illegal alien; (2) making it a state crime to violate federal alien registration requirements; (3) creating a crime for an illegal alien to solicit, apply for, or perform work; and (4) authorizing an arrest when there is probable cause to believe that an individual is removable from the U.S.

Of course, to come to that conclusion, the judge had to torture the language of the Arizona statute, ignore federal law and precedent, and come to an illogical conclusion about the supposed burdens placed on the federal government by the Arizona law.

For example, Section 2(B) of S.B. 1070 states very clearly that:

For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by [an Arizona] law enforcement official…in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance…where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable effort shall be made…to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released.

This paragraph could not be clearer – the immigration status of individuals who have been arrested for some other crime will only be checked if the officer has a “reasonable suspicion” that they are an illegal alien. Yet the federal judge reads the second sentence of this paragraph without reference to the first as supposedly requiring that the immigration status of all arrestees must be determined, despite Arizona’s claims to the contrary. In other words, she completely ignores the first sentence and then claims that checking the immigration status of all arrestees would be an impermissible burden on the federal government.

This reading of the Arizona statute is illogical and the judge’s refusal to defer to Arizona’s construction of its own law is legally improper and certainly unnecessary, except for an activist judge with an agenda. In 1997, the Supreme Court chastised the Ninth Circuit and an Arizona district court for their treatment of a limiting construction of a state law suggested by the Arizona Attorney General and the recommendation that the Arizona Supreme Court be asked for its opinion of the proper construction of state law. The Court unanimously said that the federal courts should ask, “Is this conflict really necessary? When anticipatory relief is sought in federal court against a state statute, respect for the States in our federal system calls for close consideration of that core question.” The Court also suggested that the opinion of a State’s Attorney General on a matter of state law was entitled to respect.

Here, Judge Bolton failed to give the State the respect it was due on this issue. Indeed, it is strong evidence of an activist judge straining to find a way to stop a law that she does not like from a policy (not a legal) standpoint. It is also completely contrary to federal law that specifically requires federal officials to “respond to an inquiry by a…State, or local government agency, seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual.” (8 U.S.C. §1373). How can Judge Bolton rationally conclude that Arizona is placing an impermissible burden on the federal government to respond to citizenship verification requests when federal law mandates that the feds respond to such requests? The judge’s reasoning is foolish – she is treating the Obama administration’s enforcement priorities (or lack of enforcement priorities) as if they are federal law. Arizona’s law does not conflict with federal immigration law, although it may conflict with the Obama administration’s policies. But policy conflicts do not result in federal preemption. Judge Bolton’s reasoning also conflicts with a very recent First Circuit Court of Appeals decision, Estrada v. Rhode Island, that upheld the right of state law enforcement officers to check the immigration status of individuals detained for other reasons such as a traffic stop, as well as other precedents.

The judge also temporarily halted Arizona’s attempt to make it a state crime for an alien to not carry alien registration papers despite the fact that under federal law ((8 U.S.C. § 1304), all aliens are required to “at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration” issued by the federal government. Contrary to Judge Bolton’s view, there is no violation of the Constitution because a state has added state penalties on top of federal penalties for the same offense. Otherwise, it would be unlawful for states to punish possession of illegal drugs since that is already a federal offense. Unfortunately, this type of tortured reasoning is applied by the judge to other provisions of the Arizona law.

Arizona should continue its court fight to implement all of the provisions of the Arizona law. The chances are very good as this case works its way up through the courts and eventually to the U.S. Supreme Court, that Arizona will win in the end. It is a battle well worth fighting and it is one that other states should join, particularly in the face of this administration’s refusal to take the steps necessary to secure our borders and protect our national security. In fact, if other states participate in this battle in other federal circuits, it is highly likely that they will get rulings directly conflicting with Judge Bolton’s erroneous decision. The Justice Department should be forced to fight as many states as possible on this issue.

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I think people are making this into something it's not. The Judge only struck down the provision *FORCING* officers to determine immigrant status when articulable reasonable suspicion is there. They can choose not to enforce it per "Officer Discretion."

Arizona officers will still have the ability and jurisdiction to arrest illegals they catch, their hand just isn't forced anymore. This is a common sense deal here. The way the bill was written shifted priorities from other crimes which are more heinous to immigration which is just as wrong as what Obama and crew are up to in trying to open the borders completely. It is really sad that a sitting U.S. President is allowing irreparable damage to be done to our country, on purpose, for political gain.

Also this law *WILL* be getting appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court. Count on it. Thankfully Obama hasn't been able to change the demographics of the court at all thus far and it still sits tenuously in Conservative hands, where this bill will probably be upheld even though we've got four justices who perform complex  mental gymnastics to contrive some of the ideas they've come up with in regards to Constitutionality. (Chicago v. McDonald and DC v. Heller are excellent examples of these moron "Living Document" Liberals)

A nice result of this is that the Arizona law is popular with more than 70% of the electorate. 70% or more of Americans rarely agree on *ANYTHING* much less this and the disaster of a president is actively fighting against them. This crap alone may ensure that Barack Obama will be completely hogtied come November. Thank God for that! If he keeps this crap up, he may even find himself in front of Impeachment hearings as he's cruising to be significantly more unpopular than even George W was and he's close to that now.

My opinion on what Arizona should do: Tell the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals to piss up a rope and do it anyway. When the Feds threaten lawsuit, Arizona should threaten to SECEDE from the Union and activate their National Guard to enforce their borders both from the South, but from Federal intervention by Alphabet Agencies as well. The President has shown willful disregard for the rights and welfare of U.S. Citizens so Arizona should do it themselves.



GO Arizona!!!
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