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Mahshadin
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This is just amazing as 228 Republicans vote to hand even more to the super wealthy while average americans get a slap in the face. This after after defending tax cuts for the same group which still has not been paid for and just keeps adding to our deficit. I am getting close to just calling this the party of destruction as they seem to want to fullfill their own conspiricy theories of the downfall of out country (Self Fullfilling Profecy).
This is just not defendable in any way shape or form (SHAME SHAME SHAME)
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Penham
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Well if it means those at the bottom don't get FREE money they didn't pay anyway, I'm ok with that. I am totally against the earned income credit, I call it the "unearned income credit" where people get FREE money back that they didn't even pay. While families like mine, we are still paying last years taxes on the monthly payment plan, lol. We make the last payment this month. Then it starts all over!
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Mahshadin
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So your OK with this as long as the Poor are punished some more, of course they are the easy answer for the GOP for all of our problems (amazing)
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No, I'm not really ok with it, but I'm not ok with the earned income credit either. I think there is alot wrong with our current tax system.
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Turboguy
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So let me get this *CRYSTAL CLEAR!* The Ryan plan is going to raise taxes on people who pay nothing or next to nothing right now?
Last time I checked, two percent times nothing is still nothing. If you're at about $50,000 a year or less, you pay pretty much nothing right now. Looks to me like most people will have their taxes significantly slashed.
Your lack of intellectual integrity is showing. I *KNOW* you're way smarter than that and already knew this. You are looking to score a political point against people that don't know any better.
Secondly, I've never been employed by a person making $30,000 a year or less.
Thirdly, How is taking money from those that are producers and giving it to government going to help our economy in the slightest?
I've got a wild idea: How about we let people *KEEP* more of the money they earned so they can spend it HOWEVER THE HELL THEY WANT!?! I know I'm going to buy myself a new car with my deployment money when I get back. Everything I made here is 100% tax free and as soon as I get back I'm going to put a good chunk back into the economy, where it belongs. Not into Government coffers where it is sure to be squandered on crap.
ETA: Most small businesses are easily million dollar a year enterprises. My father owns a considerable amount of property in Minneapolis. His business clears nearly a million a year in income. When you take into account the people he employs, the price of material, the governmental hurdles, TAXES, etc, he doesn't make remotely that much. Let him keep another 10% of his earnings and we'll hire two more people full time.
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Turboguy
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot: The Democrats were in total and complete control of both houses of Congress and a rubber stamp Presidency and what happened?
How much higher is the deficit and how much higher is the national debt than it was when they took over? They have been an unmitigated disaster from the outset just as I predicted four years ago in each and every conceivable way possible. The lone bright spot has been, sadly, Hillary Clinton. Any guesses why she's throwing in the towel after Zer0's term is up?
How much of that is the Liberal omnibus Zer0care bill that's about to get struck down one way or another when the Supreme Court strikes it down on Constitutional grounds, it gets defunded, or repealed when Zer0 gets thrown out on his ear?
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Mahshadin
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You know what TG, you can call me whatever you want immoral (intellectual integrity). the only one who is morally corrupt is someone who would support this right now. I think deep down you know or atleast have the knawing feeling that somthing is quite wrong with this.
I am morraly corupt, I dont think so. But hey if you feel the need to defend to the death thats your moral choice, but dont come on here whining about everyone else when your unwilling to face up to your own.
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Turboguy
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I never called you Immoral. Actually I think you are quite the opposite thereof.
Also I know you're smarter than you're acting in reference to this, hence why I am accusing you of playing fast and loose with what you know is fact and what you know is not to elicit an emotional response. (Intellectual Integrity) While I can not say you're lying, I can easily say that you're bending the truth for political points.
I absolutely support dropping the tax rate for those who actually pay taxes.
Americans making $50,000 or less have an actual tax rate of right around 3.5% while those making more paid 93.3 of all taxes paid to the government. Last year I paid out about thirty percent of my hard earned income to the government to waste spectacularly. The poor you're championing here didn't even pay 5% of theirs.
I'd say I'm paying more than my fair share.
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Turboguy
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Again, I ask you or whomever wants to answer this: How is taking money away from the country's producers and giving it to Government going to help our economy?
I will wait with bated breath.
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Mahshadin
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I guess TG you have to put things in perspective rather than just throwing out cute one liners. This is irresponsible at best, outright destructive at worst. This whole issue is not 3 months old and at this point seems
to be the Rights only political move they have left. Replaying bad policy
decisions again and again questions the (Intellectual Integrity) of those proposing it. I would and have
agreed with your one liner argument 32 years ago when the tax rate for the same
group was around 76%.I even voted for this on 2 occasions because it was unjust
and quite unfair. Since then it has been slashed almost in half and if you
count in the capital gains income into this it would be much more than half. The
problem (Greed Begets More Greed) the truth is sometimes hard to face. We have
now reached a point and this actually happened in 2001 where we are now
pitching this stuff where the only way to pay for it would be to devastate
Medicare, Medicaid, the Military, and Social Security. (Enough IS Enough) Talk about doing things only for political power with no regard for anyone or anything besides the ½ a percent. But hey go right ahead and defend this it will be your partys demise. The Republican Party has lost its way and no longer supports the people other than the ½ % of course, you would do much better to start recognizing the problems from within before you start throwing spears at others. On th e other hand you know what go for it, make this your campaign focus for the fall Its time these folks got exposed!! |
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Turboguy
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Last time I checked, lowering taxes across the board would bring about another golden age of American economic prosperity. Hell, we might even be able to convince some of the businesses and industry that are jumping ship as fast as they can specifically to avoid the business unfriendly atmosphere we're suffering under.
Truth be told, even individuals are jumping ship in droves to escape our exorbitant taxes. An American should *NEVER* be driven to renounce their citizenship, and it's happening at never before seen, unprecedented levels. All of which is to escape our taxes.
So what's a fair tax rate? 35% of someone's earnings given to government at gunpoint is "fair?" That is somehow going to help the economy? Newsbreak: It's not going to help the economy in the least. What you're doing there is simple class warfare and you think that if someone makes more than you did, they somehow stole it or gotten it through some other illicit means.
Oh nice. Social Security was supposed to be a fund apart from Government where legislators couldn't touch it. In fact had they not, SSI would be totally solvent and running fine. The problem is that they've never seen a fund they couldn't use "better" than it was intended, so they screwed the system to the point that it is now little more than a tertiary tax on people behind Federal and state.
Medicare and Medicaid are absolute disasters of Government excess. They'd have been better handled by either a private institution or by having private oversight. Both systems are so plagued by fraud it makes military contracts (Halliburton/Dyncor) look like a damn lemonaid stand! If they were forced to live within their means (The system/program) again, there wouldn't be a problem. What you're seeing is that Government got it's stupid hands on something. You know what an elephant is? It's a mouse built to government specifications.
The military wouldn't have any trouble being paid in full, just get rid of Zer0care. What's really funny is that with the resounding government failures that are SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, TSA, C4C, etc ad nauseum, they thought it'd be a good idea to put everyone's medical care under *THAT* umbrella? Talk about the very definition of not only failure but insanity! Performing the same set of actions expecting a different outcome.
1/2 percent eh? Let's take a quick look at your graph up there. Looks to me like the vast majority of people EARNING and PRODUCING will get a tax cut AS THEY SHOULD! Again I point out to you that people making less than $50,000 a year pay almost nothing in taxes, and those making less than $30,000 actually pay nothing. Let businesses keep some extra fundage and they'll hire mroe people. I do find it rather humorous that you've got the fortitude to point out that being fiscally responsible is unpopular with the, what is it now? 50%+ that suckle at the government teet?
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. - Misquoted to Alexander Tytler
You're exctly right Mahshadin, fiscal restraint *IS* dead in our country and we need to expose those scumbags that won't give the lice everything they want. The 50% that think it's okay to take money for nothing will and do vote for the person that will give them the most. It's worked *SO* good for the PIIGS countries, right?
“I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car, I won’t have to worry about my mortgage. If I help him, he’s going to help me.” - Peggy Joseph.
So yeah, if that's what you stand for, by all means.
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Mahshadin
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So the bottom line for you is:
Destroy it all! Destroy Medicare Destroy Social Security Destroy Medicare And then hand the money off to the Super Wealthy (WOW). You know what I dare you and your party to be that honest with the people. I Dare you to run on the truth of your words, just be straight with everyone, tell them we need to destroy medicare so we can hand off more money to the super wealthy so you can get some of that trickkling effect. Tell the American people what you really want which is to destroy our government all together while turning over all that power and wealth to Corps and the 1 %. Can you be that honest??
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mrmouse
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The framers of the US Constition never entended this country to be a soicialist welfare state, but the progressives sure have done a great job turning America into one!
Robin Leach: Obama Is a 'Socialist' - He Is 'Whipping Up This Racial War and This Economic Divide' m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/04/18/robin-leach-obama-socialist-he-whipping-racial-war-and-economic-divid These were the kind of Democrats I could believe in! Robert F. Kennedy, Speech at the University of Capetown, South Africa, Day of Affirmation, 6 June 1966 www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/speech/rfksa.htm |
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Elver
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BOTH parties are responsible for this mess! However, I do believe it was Obama who spent 5 trillion dollars already which is more than Bush 2 spent in the previous 8 years. Has it worked? Well, they've succeeded in kicking the can down the road for a little while longer, but they've made the collapse worse. If you believe that Obama is your guy, then buy all means, vote him back in and he can finish us off quicker. It doesn't matter whether Obama or Romney get into office because they're both left wing liberals in my opinion.
Instead of debating who you think is right & who you think is wrong, you'd be better off trying to figure out how you are going to survive when the whole thing collapses. I've been obsessed with this for the past 5 years! For starters you'd better get out of debt and buy some gold and silver if you can. You better have a stockpile of food at home & enough cash to get you buy for awhile, perhaps for years. Assuming that you lost all of your money from bank failures, lose your job, & assume you live in a house that is paid for, how long could you pay your taxes, heat your home, & buy food? Where will you move to when you lose your job & can't make your mortgage payment? How long will your friend or relative be able to stay in their home? Invest only in stocks of companies that sell necessities. (Apple will suffer serious consequences when people can no longer buy their i-phones, i-pads, & notebook computers.) People will be trying to figure out how to feed themselves instead. If you are so naive to think you can grow your own food, then you'd better be practicing now. Make sure you can protect yourself from anyone out there who thinks that you have more than they do. Have you done everything to secure your home against a break in?
These are the things we should be talking about. We should be sharing ideas with one another as to how we're all going to surve the greatest collapse of all time and a depression that makes the last one look like a walk in the park.
Have you analyzed your spending habits and planned for what you will cut later? Do any of you think you can do without cable or cell phone now so that you can get out of debt sooner or have more money later on? Just how much money can you trim from your budget if you had to? Well, I've already done this exercise & it is really, really tough to cut 40% which is an amount some project that they would have to devalue the dollar by.
You guys need to sit & just think about how life will be afterwards and do everything in your power to prepare now. It has taken me 5 full years to get my head fully wrapped around the worst case scenario & it is truly frightening. All of us will have 20/20 hindsight and none of us will be prepared enough. We're all screwed.
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Take this for what it's worth! This guys sounds crazy, but when you back over what he has said in the past he was on the money.
beforeitsnews.com/story/1942/291/Timeline_to_Americas_Total_Destruction_with_Pastor_Lindsey_Williams.html |
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Elver
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I've listened to Lindsay Williams many times. I've tried to figure out whether he is a crackpot or not, but I agree with you. He's been right before.
It does no harm to believe him & try to prepare accordingly.
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mrmouse
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Yeah, I never heard of Gull Island or the Liberty Platform till he mentioned it. If its as by as he claims it is, you'd think it would be all over the news.
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Mahshadin
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Ya know its getting tough to be surprised in here anymore. You just keep serving up the same old BS over and over again. Here Lindsey with a fresh set of doomsday predictions and a nasty political message (Go Figure). Lets see how does this go again, so it starts with a friend of friend of a secret friend who is an elletist (That�s Original). Oh and his secret friends are all Super Secret Executrives of the top 5 Oil Corporations who just happen to purchasing the Republican Party. Well gees I wonder who this message is for (Ya Think). Did ya even think to fact check any of it or did you just swallow it whole. This guy has been wrong so many times that even Alex Jones is starting to question his message but not before pushing the DVD and his cut. He has called for the downfall of the dollar so many times now I cant count them on 2 hands. Well lets just spend a few minutes fact checking the message. 1st The magical Oil Rig (Liberty) . The rig he is talking about and the location in a BEST CASE Scenario which probably isn't going to happen is for between 30 to 60 thousand barrels of oil a day. This project has been underway for more than a decade now which started with building a man made island to plant the drilling and production facilities on a few miles out from another man made island currently in production. The original plan was to build a second island further out from the existing man made island currently being used in the prudhoe bay (Northstar rig) but was kabashed because of the huge expense so they opted to expand the current island they already built to house a second facility which will house the Liberty drilling and production facilities. This is an extreme environment and traditional off shore drilling and production techniques just do not work like in the gulf of mexico. The over simplification by Lindsey is disgraceful especially for someone who professes to know the industry. BP's Northstar oil rig is located in Prudhoe Bay. 2nd
The fictional oil pipeline from Prudhoe Bay
Alaska to the start of the keystone pipeline. This is just flat out false
information and if he really does know the industry he would know this was a fabrication.
The oil from Prudhoe bay goes through the Ewhich feeds to the Trans American Pipline which both are currently built and in use today. To do what Lindsey describes a pipeling from prudhoe bay to central Canada (Keystone Start) which would be over 1200 miles (Longer than the entire keystone pipe line). Oil produced from the Liberty field will be transferred to the trans-Alaska oil pipeline through the Endicott sales-oil pipeline.peline
3rd This is the secret oil forever field that will solve all of our problems for the next few centuries. I don�t know what to say other than this is just an outright fabrication. Even if this rig goes up as planned and there are no problems and production goes as expected the amount of oil that this facility will be able to produce will not even cover the declines in production from the north slopes in Alaska. This is just a Pipe Dream and food for the denial crowd who believe there is some magical answer that we already have and it's the big bad governemtn who is punishing us all. 4th Derivatives are the problem. No Ship
Sherlock, everyone else figured that out 4 years ago
5th and what was the underlining message of the video Obama Is A Muslim. Repeated 11 times (Go Figure 6th Oh and lets not forget to fork out 70 or 100 bucks per DVD. Just visit prophecyclub.com to throw away your hard earned money. But then again conspiracy theorists need to eat too (right). Bottom line is that project (Liberty Rig) or Liberty project was planned out over a long period of time, man made islands had to be constructed. That rig had to be specially built to withstand the extreme environment of the arctic. Infrastructure and pipelines had to be built. Hanging on to these fictional answers to very serious problems is what will undo this country. This new well when it is finished will set new records to depth and length going some 34,000 to 44,000 feet which is quite the technical feet considering where it is going to be. But hey according to linsey is as easy as pie. |
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Elver
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I don't know if Lindsay is right or wrong. However, I also know that you can't possibly be all right or wrong too.
I do know that we are headed for a financial collapse.
I also believe that our government has put hidden moratoriums on certain resources so that we use the resources of other countries first. This is a smart & strategic move. Nobody knows how much oil is up there except the oil executives, to which you are not. We'll have to all wait and see, won't we?
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I think this is a good assessment of Lindsey Williams.
tobefree.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/joel-skousen-lindsey-williams-how-credible-by-the-end-of-2012-he-claims-all-private-fortunes-will-be-lost-that-are-secured-with-paper-id-say-no-way/ |
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Everyday is a good day and if you dont believe that try missing one.
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Mahshadin
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How predictable quickdraw, Another Personal Attack
The more intolerant you all get the more obvious it becomes to everyone else. Keep up the good work. |
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Name calling aside...what is your comment to the graph quick draw posted Mahshadin?
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The Hard Working American vs. The Government Parasite
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You know better - Turboguy First warning. |
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Mahshadin
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Actually
quickdraw I am half Italian and almost half German and a devout Christian (Catholic
All My Life) from which all of Christianity was born no matter what denomination
or sect you want to identify with. So your (Raghead) comment is quite wrong, as
I am assuming you meant some negative Muslim or Islamic reference based on the
name. If you intended some other meaning (Raghead) please feel free to correct
me. I am
sure you can find some hateful one liner for that as well, or wrap me up in
some group you deem as the enemy of the state based on some rigid political or
religious purity test the Radical Right has been pitching for quite a few years
now (Have another glass of Koolaid). And the private message you sent me on AFT
calling me Dumb and a Fag is just more of the same. Does this make you feel
better about yourself, do you think this makes you more of a man? Really!
Here
is a better question/s. Why are you being trained to hate others just because
they disagree with your political or religious ideology/morality? Any Clue? Does this ring a bell historically at
all? Is that really what you think
this Country is about? Just imagine
what that would look like!! Intolerance
is a disease of the mind and if you allow it to consume you it will!!
(Mahshadin 2012 ®) My
real name is Mike (Michael), I am a third Generation American Immigrant, my Fathers
Father came from Italy and my Mothers Father came from Germany. I am a Male have
been married for 31 years now (Female) with 2 children and 1 grandchild soon to
be 2 (with a little help from above). My religious preference as stated above
is Christian (Catholic) and proud of it. My political preference is Independent
although I lean left of center more times than right lately. The name I use in
here is just a made up Internet Handle from a game that I played for years
called Starcraft (Online Strategy Warfare Game) for which I had over 10,000
wins online in the 90's and became an almost obsession. It was very involved
with bots, chat services ICQ, Groups, and different sites and the handle just
stuck with me. It has no meaning or reference to a group of people or religion. Is that good enough for you? Or should i be banned, stoned, shot, or deported. |
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Death by Snu Snu!
You know how I feel about this.
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Mahshadin
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Instant visualization (There are worse ways to go). Man alive now I have to go to confession for my vivd imagination and thoughts!!
Humor-------Priceless TG
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Thank you for everything learned from here and congratulations for the good work.
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Have health and hope and happiness
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