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Posted: January 29 2013 at 4:20pm |
Did you read that? If you find a FEMA camp, let me know. You *DO* know that if there were FEMA camps, they'd be quickly found. The United States isn't really that large. |
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Posted: January 29 2013 at 10:07pm |
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Yes, I read most of it. They talk about civil disturbance in this document which can only mean people right here in this country. There are lots of You Tube video's of suspected FEMA camps and in the few cases where people actually get close to them, the security guards won't say anything about these facilities and they're escorted off the property immediately.
FEMA has responsibility for civil defense, previously performed by DOD's civil preparedness agency. In 2003 FEMA became part of Homeland Security under George Bush Jr.
FEMA's responsibilties are:
1) Continuity of Government
2) Recovery from a National Emergency
3) Combating threats from to our existing political and social order. (aka civil unrest)
FEMA camps definitely exist for a multiple of reasons. The most nefarious reason would be to house the dissidents assuming that Homeland Security doesn't kill them first. Included would be sorting of people into categories of levels of cooperation as well as work camps and re-education camps for "prisoners".
My main fear is the abuse that could happen in such camps since they'd be staffed too quickly by untrained and unethical personnel. If you need proof of abuse, then you only need to read about Abu Ghraib or the many abuses performed by local policemen, but I'm sure you already know about that.
The armed forces have been conducting readiness exercises to deal with civil disturbance and continuity of government.
Don't attempt to whitewash this important issue. People need to know that these camps exist as possible help to the people in the case of natural disasters as well as detention camps for unruly people.
FEMA has the power to take over local, state & federal government. They can put military personnel in place of elected officials. The idea of this under a martial law scenario literally turns my stomach.
FEMA relocation camps = military bases converted into prisons, aka interment camps. So, if officers of the law perjure themselves and give false testimony as a pretext for false arrests and wrongful imprisonment, not to mention assaults and beatings, how exactly should I feel safe under martial law?
Lots of these camps have been found by curious people. For you to say otherwise would mean that you're either extremely naive or you're here in order to push a propaganda agenda designed to get people to believe otherwise.
So, which one are you and why? Seems to me that I've heard you say that you're both cop and military, so this makes me wonder. For some unknown reason, you like asking open ended questions.
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 7:59am |
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Elver, I work for the government, they *LITERALLY* can't control our borders, what makes you think they can control Americans?
The state of Minnesota in November has the world's third largest army under arms. Minnesota ALONE.
In Iraq we were dealing with ten thousand badguys in a country the size of Texas and they caused us all manner of consternation. Think about trying to take on armed Americans who are not only fighting on home turf, but don't leave stuff up to "Inshalla." Americans can shoot.
There are no FEMA camps. They'd be quickly found and everyone would know not only where they are, but what they're being manned with. In thie age of Google Earth, people have found lawnmower writing on people's lawns. You think they'd not find a concentration camp?
Don't get me wrong, I have no illusions that the Liberal/Socialists/Communists would absolutely *LOVE* to do that to us, but the reality is that they're just not able to.
What side do you think the military and police would be on? I've done both in my life and let me assure you, the numbers of conservatives to dickwad liberals is somewhere around 1000 to 1. Hell, we just had a four star general say that our first priority is to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and *ESPECIALLY* domestic. That's a direct quote.
Let Obamao have his little FSA (Free Scheiss Army) and they'll run up against the real one.
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 9:12am |
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Turbo - Greetings! I remember a Jesse Ventura program about FEMA camps WITH pictures. Since the country is divided into sections with various governors in control, in case of "emergency", and since it would be a serious breach of planning not to have holding camps for refugees, it is not outside the realm of actuality that they have been constructed. The issue is not IF they are constructed but HOW they will be used. With just a little imagination and a fair view of human nature, I can invision abuse by the caretakers. As a matter of fact, there was a study of ordinary citizens divided into 2 groups, where they role-playedinmates and guards. The study showed that the guards became abusive, mean and uncaring within a very short time. So lets give Elver space here. I wish it were otherwise. Clearly, with most governmental agencies ordering huge amounts of ammo and now assault weapons, you've got to ask yourself, against whom are they going to use this stuff? D
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 9:27am |
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"Re-Education" and Attitude adjustment "camps" in America.
A leaked U.S. Army document prepared for the Department of Defense contains shocking plans for “political activists” to be pacified by “PSYOP officers” into developing an “appreciation of U.S. policies” while detained in prison camps inside the United States. The document, entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations (PDF) was originally released on a restricted basis to the DoD in February 2010, but has now been leaked online ===================================================== Get the rest here. [link to www.secretsofthefed.com] ========================================================= The manual states, “These operations may be performed as domestic civil support operations,” and adds that “The authority to approve resettlement such operations within U.S. territories,” would require a “special exception” to The Posse Comitatus Act, which can be obtained via “the President invoking his executive authority.” The document also makes reference to identifying detainees using their “social security number.” |
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 11:46am |
Hey Evergreen.
The amount of ammunition the DHS ordered, 1.5 million or whatever is peanuts. It sounds like a lot, but it's really not.
My old department alone had 800 officers and we would shoot five hundred rounds a year. Each and every one of us. That's four hundred thousand rounds a year, and that's only the duty pistol. I'm not counting ERU (SWAT) and their rifles, Warrants, etc. Typically we'd practice with our duty rounds because that ay we're training with what we'd be shooting real world.
The DHS is significantly larger than that. They bought the equivalent of a years worth of ammunition.
Every department I worked at (3) we had *ACTUAL* assault weapons. I.E. The ones with the happy switch that goes to full auto or three round burst. They've already got them, and the ones they're currently buying aren't anything special beyond what you can go to your local gun store and buy for yourself. For a while we were getting used military equipment, which was quite a lot of fun.
Even a billion rounds is what single military bases will routinely order for practice.
Again I ask: If they've been constructed in the age of Google Earth, why have we not seen pictures of them splashed across every website from HuffPo to Drudge?
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 11:51am |
Executive orders do not work like that.
And what military is going to follow that order?
And what military is *CAPABLE* of pursuing that one on the U.S. Population?
The United States Military is simply not prepared to take on the U.S. Population. Fighter planes, tanks, etc are hugely fearsome weapons that can deal out death like the Grim Reaper himself. But remove the fuel, power, and maintenance personnel and they're useless.
Elephants can easily be killed by ants.
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 12:14pm |
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Hey Evergreen.
The amount of ammunition the DHS ordered, 1.5 million or whatever is peanuts. It sounds like a lot, but it's really not. Obama Administration Repositioning Homeland Security Ammunition Containers Posted on January 30, 2013 by Smilardog The Gateway Pundit by Jim Hoft The containers (like those pictured) are usually painted olive drab and are unmarked except for indistinguishable numbers/letters probably for inventory, routing, etc. Reader Don sent this in recently: Jim -I passed a convoy of olive drab unmarked 40 foot tractor trailers each with four 10 yard ammo bunker boxes chained to them and unmarked armored Hum-Vee's heading north on I-95 in Brevard County, Florida this past Thursday morning. The “govt" is positioning these ammo storage boxes, I have been told, in strategic places in population centers around the country. They are usually painted olive drab and are unmarked except for indistinguishable numbers/letters probably for inventory, routing, etc. * * Obama's Homeland Security Department has purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition "that is not a typo" during the last six months. * * ATK is one company that won a contract with the Department of Homeland Security to provide 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition in 2012. Previously it was reported that people around the US have begun reporting the site of strange, new, heavily-armed FEMA fighting vehicles this past year. One set of images made available by Rense.com shows trailer after trailer carrying these new DHS and FEMA armored fighting vehicles, complete with machine gun slots. They're labeled with the usual backward American flag and the title,Homeland Security. Below that and the DHS logo, it also reads, "Immigration & Customs Enforcement". Joining those markings, the black vehicles with white lettering also display "POLICE/RESCUE" on one side and "Special Response Team" on the other. Whiteout Press reported on the government ammunition purchases back in October 2012. As we detailed in the August 28 Whiteout Press article "History of DHS Ammunition Purchases", federal emergency management agencies are looking more and more like a military army every day. The federal government's procurement website actually lists DHS requests for bids to supply it with ammunition and military weaponry. All of the orders listed in the above article, including the orders for hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition, are publicly available at *******http://www.fbo.gov. One look at a chart of DHS ammunition purchases over the past decade reveals a drastic spike in orders of bullets recently, totaling in the billions of rounds. Other charts available online show a similar drastic spike in the purchases of accompanying weaponry by the Department of Homeland Security. What is the US federal government preparing for? And why does it feel it needs an army of brainwashed youth, millions of guns, thousands of armored fighting vehicles and literally billions of rounds of ammunition, just to provide relief to the American people during a natural disaster? Any historian will tell you it sounds more like the arming of the Hitler Youth than an army of first responders fighting forest fires and hurricanes. Look for the Homeland Security ammunition containers coming soon to your community. ________________ http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/obama-administration-repositioning-homeland-security-ammunition-containers/ |
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 4:27pm |
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WOW
Fear is more powerful than people know or even attempt to understand!!!!!
PS I heard there are Russian soldiers hiding all over the country, Mexico, and Canada now just waiting to come take you to those cloaked camps (Beware-or Afraid)
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 4:37pm |
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No need to be facetious. People genuinely want to know what's going on so they can make decisions about preparedness. This is not something to ridicule. This is caring and concerned for another's well-being. No amount of scoffing is going to do any good to humiliate people into doing or not doing a certain thing. I'm sure that is not what you meant, did you?
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 4:56pm |
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Never mind Mahshadin. I've come to the conclusion that he's a government troll. He's here to discredit anyone who does not tow the current party line regarding all sorts of stuff. He's even pushing Obama's global warming agenda to the max. If you argue with him he will try to ridicule you in order to make you look stupid so it is best to completely ignore him.
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 7:37pm |
ROFL! I *ACTUALLY* work for the government. I have a civilian rank and everything!  I can assure you that Mahshadin does not work for our government. That's funny as hell. He and I disagree quite vociferously on a great many topics, but he is 100% right about this: You're investing in tinfoil. |
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 7:39pm |
Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years… Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade… Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall… Greens Party gains control of West German Parliament. Demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil… Mexico plunged into revolution… NATO dissolves. United States stands alone. |
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Posted: January 31 2013 at 8:08pm |
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Elver Your A Piece Of Work
So let me get this straight, I dont swallow your paranoid delusional Crap and now Im part of your conspiricy??????  WTF Seek Help, Fear and Paranoia Have Consumed You!!!!! Life is to short to live like that, didnt you get the memo? 90% of crap you find on the internet is just that CRAP. Come now your an inteligent person snap out of it. The world is not out to get you dude, ya cant just buy stuff hook line and sinker because theres a 1 in 6 billion chance it may come true some day. You and I will be long gone and there will be a whole group of other fear mongers in one direction or the other |
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Posted: February 01 2013 at 12:32pm |
Nope, I've decided that you're a space shuttle door gunner who listens to signals from radios installed in your fillings and report back to your NWO headmasters.
Don't *EVEN* deny it!
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Posted: February 01 2013 at 8:04pm |
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Do Fema Camps Really Exist Well lets see. Let start with 2 Bills they tried to get threw Congress but failed in 2009 and 2010. HR 645 and S.3476 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s3476/text I'am sure we all know that if they want somthing done and they can't get it threw Congress they just go around Congress with a Executive Order from the President or they just do it any way and hide it under "National Security" then even our Senators and Congressmen Can't get any information about it because it deemed Top Secret. Don't think they would do somthing like that remember Oliver North. And even if they don't have camps already setup not to worry they got it all under control. Read Chapter 6 under the link Elver posted. Still don't think American would stand for such a thing check out WW2 American Japanese Interment Camps.What does any this have to do with Avian Flu.Well in here were all preparing what we beleave could be a Pandemic that could kill millions,food shortages,riots just a complete break down of law and order.Used to be all I had to worry about was the bad guys.Now I know That its my own goverment thats going to break in my door and take my food and guns and if I resist or my name is on there list they will take me to a Interment camp and theres nothing I can do about it.I get frustrated then I get mad then I just want to sit down and cry. What happened to America. If anyone out there can PROVE me wrong for gods sake please do it. Who is Oliver North or Rex 84 Program You really need to read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84 Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:… allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. allows the government to seize and control the communication media. allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways. allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the… allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities. gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy. authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency. International Emergency Economic Powers Act enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979. |
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Posted: February 01 2013 at 8:36pm |
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In my post above on all the Executive Orders don't try to use the links goto your search engine
and type in the executive number and you can find out what they are about. Sorry
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Mahshadin,
The evidence for FEMA camps is all over the place, including all those executive orders listed above.
The problem I have with you is this. If you don't agree with someone, you're mission is to label them ignorant or stupid. Therefore, the only conclusion that I can come up with beyond believing that you're stupid is to believe that you are on a mission to destroy anyone who disagrees with the prevailing "presidential agenda" of keeping FEMA camps a big secret. We all know that government trolls exist with the sole purpose to put down people who try to awaken others. You, unfortunately, seem to fit this bill perfectly. Assuming that you're just an average Joe, then why do you try so hard to put people down for simply disagreeing with you?
If someone posts something that you don't agree with, you have a bad habit of attempting to slap them down by making them look like they don't know what they're talking about. This leaves me wondering who exactly you really are.
H.R. 645 mandates the creation of FEMA.
I think you'll find this article extremely interesting. It sums up all the various government programs designed mainly for "continuity of government".
This is the most interesting FEMA camp video that I've seen.
The bottom line is this. Our government is doing lots of things right now, but they are going to pretty great lengths to keep the informtion away from the public. Considering the fact that they aren't out in the open about what they are doing it only makes me wonder why.
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Posted: February 01 2013 at 9:27pm |
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Hi its me again i'm sorry and please forgive me but I think all of the Executive orders in my post above are wrong.I tried to delete the post but it won't let me.Everything above the executive orders is true.I will be alittle more careful about what I post from now on.
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Posted: February 01 2013 at 10:23pm |
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I think that your posts above are correct. I saw this some time back. Someone did an incredible amount of research to come up with these directives. There is nothing wrong with this list other than these directives were amended or superceded by revised directives.
It is a good post.
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Posted: February 04 2013 at 1:13pm |
Since this is the age of Google Earth, and people *REGULARLY* find writing on other people's front yards making political fun, stupid messages, even two guys chasing the Google Earth car wearing scuba gear, why is it that the *SPECIFIC* locations haven't yet been found?
Hell, we can, right now, look and see dreamland, skunkworks, area51, etc. and you're claiming that these camps exist. Where are they? They'd be clearly visible.
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Do Fema Camps exist. I sure hope they have some type of plan in place for mass riots and civil disorder. If gangs of thugs are coming down my street looting,killing,rapeing and all that fun stuff rioter do I'll be glad to see the National Guard show up and haul there asses away to Fema Camps.The big question will be will National Guard or who ever is running the show uphold the constitution while dealing with these people.The President and all the senators and congressman have underground bunkers to goto in times of national emergencies.Please find them on a google map. Fema Camp exist in every plan that deals with this subject are they going to give us address and guided tours I don't think so. The Government just does not work that way on anything dealing with National Security. If you were in charge of National Security and the welfare of our Nation in a emergency would you build them. In todays world I think you would. |
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The best place to hide something is in plain sight, that's easily over looked and not noticed. What do you suppose the common denominator is with the assault on the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and individual liberty? My bet is currency/economic collapse come this way, and the answer can be found by observing the economic collapse in Greece, Spain, and Portugal, and the (PTB) powers that be factoring in the outcome of the collapse and austerity measures if those people had a similar Bill of Rights as ours. Just a thought.youtu.be/hblCR2xiZhY
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Posted: February 06 2013 at 1:53pm |
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Turbo,
I think that you just like to be a contrarian! Enough said.
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Don't you find it strange how there's a news blackout of the financial collapse in Europe? When I turn on the Today Show it's all blue skies forever, except for that pesky Second Amendment .
Watch: Greeks Fight For Food: “I Never Imagined That I Would End Up Here” www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/watch-greeks-fight-for-food-i-never-imagined-that-i-would-end-up-here_02072013 |
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Thanks for the link mrmouse I watched the short video that showed them tring to get the food off the truck. Now I don't normally tell war stories but it sure brought back some memories. I have told my wife several times were just to old to stand behind a truck and fight for food. I know I have seen it. When I was in Viet Nam in 1965 I had to goto the landfill to dump our garbage. Before we lift we were told to keep our heads up and eyes open when we got to the dump. When we got there I could see hundred or more people going threw the dump.The driver backed the truck up to the landfill. I was in the back of the truck when 20 or 30 people just swamped the truck. All I could was to run to the front of the truck and climb up on the cab.They all had pots to carry the garbage in and were really fighting for it. Men women and children.I got sick to my stomach and I have never forgot what I saw that day.I do beleave it would be alot worst if you were locked up in a camp. Just have your preps up to par so your not on the wrong end of that truck. |
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I have also been wondering why our, so called, news networks have a blackout on European news for some time now. It seems that our government controls the media. If they tell them not to cover certain events then they aren't covered.
They don't want to scare anyone, you see. It is all about keeping the mirage of a growing economy out front so that people keep spending and getting further in debt.
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Turboguy
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Posted: February 08 2013 at 5:39pm |
No, I like proof. Linking to a website that *SAYS* they're there sans location is no different than me talking about my Oceanside beach-house in Minneapolis. Pics or it didn't happen. You have no proof. As I said before, if they were there, you'd see the LOCATION and MAP of pretty much each and every one on Google Earth. |
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Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley
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Elver
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Posted: February 08 2013 at 6:45pm |
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Turbo,
Our local news reported on a FEMA camp for the Democratic National Convention prior to Obama's first election. Check this out right here in downtown Denver.
Another video describing Denver's camp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHrAJVPvXGc
This is only one, but lots more can be found on You Tube. Did you look at the video I posted of the one in Indiana? Here it is again. Why would any honest facility have double chain link fending pointing in instead of out? You're simply in denial if you don't think these exist. Another FEMA camp in Colorado is supposed to be at Peterson AFB in Colo. Springs. Like I said, some of these facilities are on military bases, but others are not.
I supposed that you don't think FEMA coffins exist either.
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ops144
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Posted: April 02 2013 at 6:00pm |
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lol man this place gets worse every time i come back.
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