Bug Out Where?

I am reading One Second After and I am asking myself where do people think they are going to go? If you don't have a home that you own in the country where it is totally secured I have no idea where people think they are going to go???

No matter if it is a pandemic, EMP, or whatever you have no chance on the road. If you lived in the country and a bunch of city people came to your door because they have no food and water in the city what do you think the country people will do? Give you their food and water!!

So here you are in the country with no shelter, no food, no water, and no way to keep warm. Better off at home even if you die there at least you are at home!

In the book the Government People are telling the citizens to go to small towns out of the city. Gee who is dumb enough to listen to the Government?

I am sure there will be gangs looking to take whatever they can get from the burbs and the country but unless they are carful they can get shot if they hit the wrong house.

So some one tell me why unless you have no shelter in the city why you would leave your home?

if yer gonna bug out

make sure you do it early

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eym4PwHmUvI

if you panic when the rest of the sheep do

you may not make it out

FluMom wrote: I am reading One Second After and I am asking myself where do people think they are going to go? If you don't have a home that you own in the country where it is totally secured I have no idea where people think they are going to go??? No matter if it is a pandemic, EMP, or whatever you have no chance on the road. If you lived in the country and a bunch of city people came to your door because they have no food and water in the city what do you think the country people will do? Give you their food and water!! So here you are in the country with no shelter, no food, no water, and no way to keep warm. Better off at home even if you die there at least you are at home! In the book the Government People are telling the citizens to go to small towns out of the city. Gee who is dumb enough to listen to the Government? I am sure there will be gangs looking to take whatever they can get from the burbs and the country but unless they are carful they can get shot if they hit the wrong house. So some one tell me why unless you have no shelter in the city why you would leave your home?

That would be plan B if it got really bad, but I'd have to be sure the city was all but lost to looters with no rule of law before I'd abandon ship and leave behind most of what I own. Not saying I wouldn't do it, but it would be my last option and one of the main reason I've put up with my neighbors bitching about my old RV and kept the old girl.
The scene in "Independence Day" when Will Smith is dragging the alien across the desert always comes to mind when I think of bugging out in her

I think being flexible in your plans is important as there are far too many unknown variables to take into account to be rigid and locked into any one position or plan when it comes to SHTF plans. Better to be able to react as the situation dictates with several options than be rigid and locked into a plan of action regardless of the situation. 

I forgot to say an important thing. If you are in these remote locations and have set up camp. Have several cache's of food and fuel. Roaming savages may extort you for food at gunpoint. 

Like I said when you have very cold winters you don't have much of a choice unless you have a bug out place in the mountains. Then you do not have much of a growing season to keep alive for a long term stay. I think you have to go with your gut as to if or when you leave.

I should think that people were paying attention to what happened in New Orleans during Katrina and the social break down and lack of services and basic emergency services that occurred in that city and use that as a low level example as to what is possible should a major event happen that is wide spread. And I would add that Katrina was a regional event of limited duration.  

Flumom  I don't know about in Colorado but here in the PNW there are quite a few small cell tower buildings that are concrete and have a 10 foot fence with razor wire around the top. They are up on high ground and in out of the way places for the most part. I'm sure SHTF that should someone occupy one of those structures nothing would be said because it's SHTF who is going to do anything about it when the cell phones most likely won't be working anyway. Hypothetically speaking a big pair of bolt cutters and a good pry bar would get you in the fence and the structure and don't forget to bring a couple small lengths of stout chain and a couple locks to be able to re-secure it, hypothetically speaking of course. A fenced perimeter and a concrete structure is pretty defensible relatively speaking. A ice fishing stove and a couple lengths of stove pipe ran through a vent and you have wood heat. SHTF you'll need to think outside the box and do what is needed. There are always options.

http://shtfschool.com/

Selco survived the Balkan war

one of the things he emphasized the most was that

individuals are not gonna last long

an individual family is not gonna last long

in order to survive a major collapse

people of like minds will HAVE to band together

To me a bugout location is somewhere you can go to if things get so bad you are not safe staying in your own home.  Hopefully, it is the house of a relative or friend.  

coyote, I am in my mid 60's so I agree with you too old to bug out. I am "hardening" my house as best I can. I have had 3M Security film put on my house on all my windows including my second floor. Window guy thought I was a little nuts for putting it on my second floor but it only cost me $400.00 more. By the end of the summer I will have plywood for all my windows cut, labeled, with hangers put on so they are easy to install fast.

I have hardened my doors as best I can and will continue to look for more ways to harden my house.

Also have a roof sprinkler system and if I have water pressure it will help keep fire from my house.

Like you I will go down at the Alamo. I also hope to organize my neighbors so I will be putting in more rice and beans to help feed all of them by mid fall. Safety in numbers when TSHTF.

I wouldn't want to bug out. I have the place that people would want to have if they bugged out. For me, it would be more of a matter of working with my neighbors to protect the assets. With my high tunnels and cleared garden, I have the capacity to grow food for our neighborhood. I am tucked away too.

I agree there is strength in numbers to a point however that being said an organized group in a out of the way rural area is going to have less issues security wise than a group in urban or suburban area simply due to there being less people around to be a security threat. If it makes you feel better you can think otherwise but if SHTF, reality and survival will be based on facts not feelings.

Who is Selco?  Do you have a link?

FluMom wrote: FluMom, Do you have some walkie-talkies so that you and your neighbor's can talk to each while out on a security patrol? The critical thing here is to get your neighbors to actually take turns patrolling the neighborhood when things break down. You might also make a pact with your son that nobody, and I mean nobody, is allowed into your home for any reason, not even friends or relatives. You sound like a good hearted person by buying food for the neighbors, but I wouldn't go so far as to trust any of them, ever. People at work backstab each other all the time in order to gain a promotion or just gain favor with the boss.   Therefore, you better realize that people will take whatever you have when times get desperate without any concern for you. Hi Elver, Yes I have 2 walkie talkies need to get a couple of more at Walmart so we have at least 4 for the neighborhood...good suggestion. Yes my son know not to let anyone into our home. He has been taught what my mother taught me, "People will take bread out of your children's mouths to put into their children's mouths and they will kill you to do that." Thank you for your advice!

becoming a refugee is the last thing you w http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_s/toolbar_separator.gifant to  do ever. Neighbors can form armies. Well armed militias as cities become divided.  Whoever said dont bring useless feeders, would be the first out of any group I was in. Everyone can become a useless feeder, if there is such a thing, I believe elderly AND handicapped have a lot to teach, my father could no longer garden but he could talk and tell someone how to grow food from a rock. They were alive and survived before modern technology their brain will be worth more then all the computers that will no longer work. Disabled people have to learn ways to survive that can be of tremendous importance.
That type of talk is exactly what makes society decline when you can walk away from your grandparents or anyone else in need is the first step in turning society into the horror story you all want to avoid. You cant choose what someone else does, you can choose what you do. If everyone chooses to help, cooperate then we as a civilization stand a chance. I am not saying be stupid, you wouldnt allow a stranger in your home now, I dont advocate doing so then, but the neighbor you may not help to feed, may be the one who has the back to plow four or five yards for growing land. There will be jerks then as there are now, maybe no law or jails to deal with them, so a group of wise well intended people will indeed need one another. I also maintain and always have that uprooting is tough under the absolute best circumstances, let alone the worst. No thanks to being holed up halfway to nowhere when the bad guys catch up to you, because they will, they will be the worst of the worst the ones who have killed, raped and stolen all along the way. The lone wolf is gonna want a army then. Those bad dudes dont want to die either, they will pass up the well organized neighbors that have one or two or ten former military who have formed guards in chamo, some will be buried underground waiting to come up when the bad guys walk right over them, never suspecting there is a army waiting. That old WW2 soldier the worthless eater that was left behind, taught the sub division boys how to do that.  Then when the bad boys loose a couple of their bad assed leaders they realize when it comes to life and death that four eyed grocery store manager can be taught to shoot straight and has no intentions of handing over his food, daughters or home, he is backed up by a hundred more in the subdivision like him.
In kind there is somewhere on the internet a story written by the mountain men to the city fellas who think they are going to invade their territory in a bug out attempt, they tell Mr. City Dweller, we know every inch of these mountains we have played in them as babies, we have hunted them since we were kids, there is no place you can hide, you will have to come out of where your holed up eventually and when you do, we are patient we will be waiting. No one likes being used, unless you posses all the survival skills that living off the land requires you wont live a minute longer in the country then you will in the city. Each location has it benefits.
Making assumptions is the stupidest thing anyone can do. Placing value on a person aka judging a book by its cover was something we were taught as kids was both stupoid and wrong. Learn from the past, do he right thing, deal accordingly with those who do not. In our group, we make a point to help heach other, each does according to his ability, no one is worthless unless they refuse to do their part.  As a final warning to you all about those who talk worthless feeders, they are not some bad ass who can make a tough choice, they are a jack ass who makes the easy choice to cover their own ass, its all about them, one day it will come down to your family or him, now who do you think he is gonna choose?

John Doe wrote: becoming a refugee is the last thing you w Then when the bad boys loose a couple of their bad assed leaders they realize when it comes to life and death that four eyed grocery store manager can be taught to shoot straight and has no intentions of handing over his food, daughters or home, he is backed up by a hundred more in the subdivision like him.

Elver wrote: I believe that everyone should help each other, but I don't believe that you should let anyone in your home.  There is a huge difference between helping and letting them simply walk in!

We've been looking round our neighborhood and trying to identify people who have skills that would be useful. There is one guy who has reasonable ex military skills but he is over weight and unfit, has a totally useless wife who just shops all day and they have 4 young children. We've weighed it up and for all his skills it's not worth feeding 6 mouths to get them. Him being so out of condition doesn't help either. 

Yes, Lopper but I would be in a starvation situation fast if I left my home with a BOB...can't carry that much food. If you are in a car people can pick you off for any food you have in the car. Heck, that is what I would do, sit on the hill with cover and shoot people in loaded up cars.

I would rather deal with the fat guy with 4 kids from my fortified house than outside of my house. Sad but I would have no problem shooting all of them if I had to but to be out on the road is not my idea of how to survive.

Arghh ever hear of pirates there matey?