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virusil
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thank you de juan
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Spoon
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fafhrd... buddy... I know this is off topic, but sometimes you just make me cry from laughter... thank you.
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It's not so much the apocalypse... but the credit card bills ;-)
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FluReadyNow
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Dejuan,
I ALSO believe we should all do our own research, and come to our own conclusions. To that end, I have repeatedly asked virusil to answer some fundamental, reasonable (to me), questions about his claims and product. He avoided them in another area of the forum, and he's STILL doing it here.
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virusil
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this is news this is knoweledge,not stupid dancing around spreading hate and whatever.................... next to silver, prepare water,food,ammo,and love,and prayers to othersevery person informed,is a person saved. as for you dancing baby,............take tamiflu |
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FluReadyNow
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virusil,
If you want my respect, then offer your product FREE OF CHARGE. Don't you read my posts? Try giving a direct response, instead of nonsequitors.
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virusil
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an impolite whant it free of charge.......why .............you said this is snake oil....................................take tamiflu
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FluReadyNow
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Belive me, **I** don't want your product. For free, or any other way. I'm talking about the other good people here who end up BELIEVING what you are saying. If you are truely an altruist, only here to help (read my previous posts!), then you should be giving it away. As long as you are SELLING it here, you are suspect. You can't have it both ways.
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virusil
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we do have common ancestors........adam and eve...................but this is not enough to give it to you free,nope, specially that you are impolite and dancing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i repeat take tamiflu |
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virusil
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suspect listen to this idiotsuspect...............................we are in a forum baby not in court,i repeat take donald rumsfield tamiflu
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Dejuan
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Flureadynow, I am a rational person. I believe you are as well. Others however, believe passion is the key. I have to admit virusil appears to me (so far) to be a soul that lives on the fringes of society. No disrespect intended virusil my parents are living examples. The issue at hand is that rational people want and need evidence before jumping off the cliff. I do not blame them. Virusil I have a recommendation. Don't mix apples and Oranges. You may be a millionaire. I am not here to dispute that. You want respect. Tell the truth. You can't back up your practical experiences with scientific methodology. It is that easy. Diplomacy. In the end I leave with this argument to all non believers. If you can afford to by the machine to make Colloidal Silver. What the hell do you have to lose. It's not like all of us haven't made dumb purchases in our lives before. But...if this is a means to fend off H5N1 won't you be the big man on campus. My 4 cent's Dejuan |
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I moved the thread to Alternative Medicine. Virusil, I have asked you before to restrict your posts about CS to alt. med. SZ |
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FluReadyNow
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And again. a response without an answer! Am I the only one here who sees a pattern of denial, dismissal, and avoidance?
I WOULDN'T TOUCH YOUR PRODUCT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE! I'm talking about anyone else here who wants it.
If any of you need more proof of this, please see:
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virusil
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every time thati talk about serious saving post i am removed,i am done with this ,no post any more |
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FluReadyNow
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fafhrd
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Spoon, consider it fair trade. You're a natural ham and you give as well as you get.
Virusil, stick around. We need community, especially people with uncommon knowledge. I'm not sure what to believe about CS but I figure as long as I avoid argyria, it can't hurt so why not give it a shot? Lurk if you must but stay close. This whole thing feels like it's coming to a head. |
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his name was Enza; I opened the window, and influenza. |
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Virusil, Play nice or don't play. You are dangerously close to having this thread banished to the Members Only room. We have rules of civility on the main forum floor. SophiaZoe |
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virusil
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for the sake of others i will be here,but not to be insulted,no i dont need that.........neither that i deserve it,cs will save you ,use it,at least i saved a life......................................................bu t this is the third time that sophia remove mypost,i guess she is better talking lettuce and tamiflu.............go figure
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Dejuan
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Hey, Virusil. Sophia is a moderator. Which means she is the boss. For what I can see she has been fair. Your posts in some ways could be construed as inflammatory. I have been trying to moderate all side of this topic. Please do not flame Sophia she is just doing her job. Thank-you, Dejuan |
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virusil
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moderation goes both side,i for myself was ridiculed nothing was said to the dancing one................wondering why...................
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Virusil, As much as I hate to admit it, I don't read every single post on the board. There are just too many these days. If you are personally attacked by another member please PM me or any of the Assistant Moderators to look into your grievance. If you would like to direct me to the offending post by FRN I will be happy to look at it. This thread caught my attention tonight about halfway down its evolution. SophiaZoe |
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birdwithoutflu
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Hi Virusil,
I have a couple of questions. Is this silver thing totally safe? I mean if I take it do I have to worry about any side effects? If I accidentally take it too much can it be dangerous? Also, how can you be sure that it works if it hasn't been tested to anybody who has this bird flu? Sorry if some of these questions had already been answered. Thanks. |
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Dejuan
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Look Virusil, I have no doubt the you posses a great deal of knowledge. With that knowledge has to come confidence. FluReadyNow has an opinion. So do you. If his or her (FluReadyNow's) construction of reality is limited to the scientific ration paradigm then you can only communicate with logic and rationalism. When you say " take Donald rumsfield tamiflu" that could be construed as an insult to some people. I think I know what you are implying. But, innuendo can only take you so far. I do not want you to leave this forum. I agree with other members you possess knowledge that could be critical to the salvation of many people. I suggest this. When this bug break out. Start doing field research. Test your product when SHTF. You have the capacity to save lives. I am not here to hurt but in short give more of my 2 cents. My main beef is you are flaming Sophie. She is not your enemy. She works dam hard to make this forum work. Respectfully, Dejuan |
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virusil
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flureadynow was posting after eachof my post ,ridiculing me all the way ,every time,and since i post those post today he did the same thing,my point is to help.if this is too much for you,i can understand. but if he do it again i will inform you for sure,listen i am not a child ..and dont expect to be treated like in a school,you know what i mean, i have being contributing to important info,and bam bam all the time.it doesnt stop. plus your moving to alternative medicine thing, no body will read such important saving stuff, like once i put the iranian site,speaking about silver,albert said to me funny joke.....this is not a joke,cant you get it. |
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Virusil, I will. And have. Those that do not will when it breaks out. I am sure of that. Dejuan |
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FluReadyNow
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SophiaZoe,
Here is the link where virusil and I had our previous discussion. I would certainly encourage you to review it completely. I will, of course, comply with any directions you give. I will only need to be told once.
I have no objection to people who seek alternatives of ANY kind. There is a place for them here. I personally choose not to go there. That is why, when I see what appears as an alternative product being hawked in the News area (which I follow CLOSELY), I am triggered to respond.
Again, if I am the guity party here, after you have read what virusil said to me and what I said to him, your judgement will of course prevail.
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virusil
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silver was tested,on anthrax,for years iworked with it,i dont give the fda one cent,and every person that still go with the ego thing will perish.that will leave a lot of space,and peace,but good hearted people will die because of this,and this is the only thing that can save you and thank you de juan again. |
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Virusil & FluReadyNow, I re-read the thread. I see nothing untoward about FRN's posts... in fact I was a part of that thread as well. My take here... we have someone who is communicating with a second language English. There is some room for cutting Virusil a BIT of slack because of it. HOWEVER.... Virusil, I find you to be the aggressor over and over again. I find nothing wrong with what FRN asked of you. I have been asked the same and worse and a lot more aggressively about some of the treatments I have brought to the board. Virusil, you want to see abuse, read the OTC Meds thread... I was scalded numerous times. When you have a theory or opinion and you place it on the board for member consumption you MUST expect it to be challenged. If you can't stand up to the challenge.... keep your theories and ideas to your self. SophiaZoe |
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did you read the distilled water debate ...................................
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virusil
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not second language third,english is my third one,not bad hein,,,,,,,,,,,,
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sure i am the bad one yeahhhhhhhhhh
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Virusil, you are trying my patience... it isn't unlimited, in case you didn't know. Did you provide me a link or quote to an offending post or thread? FRN provided a link for me to review, which I dutifully did. You, however, have not provided one. I'm sorry... I'm not going on a hunting expedition for anything that might have offended you. Provide it or move on. SophiaZoe |
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SophiaZoe,
Ah, yes. The "distilled water" debate. I had forgotten about that one. Here it is:
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http://www.pfonline.com/articles/020401.html it is here to see how i was gentle . let us see the judgment over this |
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1) Virusil, you still have not provided a link or quote to an offending post by FRN. 2) The 2nd thread that FRN posted was reviewed and once again, I find Virusil to be the aggressor. Virusil, time is running out for this go-round... it's 1:15am where I'm at and I have to go to work in the morning. But I am loath to leave you until you have had every opportunity to air YOUR grievance. Once again I ask you to put up or move on. TICK TOCK. SophiaZoe |
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http://www.superflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2609&PN= 1 if youcan see this one judge it,how even he attacked the ditilled water thing,as it is see it and judge water is important, |
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FRN disputed your theory, as is his/her right. There was no abuse to the refutation. Dispute is not abuse. I'm going to bed now. Good night. |
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good night
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Folks!
Do you see what you are talking about here! You are talking about the minute dose. This is what homeopathy is! This is just another clue as to the profound nature of homeopathy! What you are refering to is a HIGHLY diluted substance that has an effect even though this makes no sense to a medical system that feels we are nothing but a bag of chemicals. And to change our illness, we merely change our chemistry. Is that all that we really are?!?! A bag of chemicals? I think not! Not at all! There is much more to us than just changing chemistry. Homeopaths have this silver nitrate in homeopathic form already. We have had this for a very long time. Back when there were kings, queen, and pesants there was a phrase they used to describe royalty, or one of a higher crust in society. "Blue bloods" This was because royalty ate off of silver spoons their whole life. And the silver from the spoon would wear off in the mouth as the years went on. Not alot but enough to give the skin a bluish cast (A very minute dose!). And interestingly enough.... they did escape some of the diseases that their pesants did not escape. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but see a homeopath to get the remedy that will be the most effective for you. Many thanks, S |
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Carverhomeopath. . . maybe this is a dumb question but how would a homeopath know what is most effective for each individual? I believe strongly in vitamins and herbs in fact they have helped me very much in the past after I was ill and they knew what to prescribe but I'm not quite sure since they don't know what we're dealing with how seeing one now woudl be beneficial against the Bird Flu? Thanks for your help!
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http,
Good question, not a dumb one at all. Hard to answer inside of an hours worth of explaining. But I can give it a try. A short answer is you pick an idividual's remedy by looking at the total picture of how a peron is. Everything is considered. This means the skin, resp. digestive, bones, circulation, fever, thirst, including how they are acting emotionally and mentally in the illness. All of these are coming from the same source. Can't be pulled apart and treated separatly. (This is really hard to learn because we are so thoroughly trained otherwise. It takes time to get this.) When you know this about a peron to the degree that a constitutional prescription goes to, you have incredible support and a catalyst for change. This is why this is your best bet. How about a word picture here. If you have a tree growing on the beach down in Lousiana and you know Katrina is coming, what's the best way to protect the tree? Increase the strength and depth of it's roots! No matter what Katrina hurls at it, those roots will hold fast! Any broken branches will be repaired through the root system after the storm is over. And each species of tree needs different things to create a strong root system. A constitutional remedy is what would initiate the body to make a strong, deep root system. Now when you have a threatening pandemic it can be so powerful that it can actually over take the normal state and this is when the 6-12 remedies particular to each pandemic come in. Because the outlaw disease is so powerful it moves in and really assults the body to it's very roots. These remedies are what will assist in this 'actue' application. So back to the tree illustration, remedies would be like putting a fence around the tree to break the wind and keep the water from ripping out the roots. You still need a good strong root system to withstand something like this. Knowing your constitutional remedy sends your roots deep & strong. And should this actue flu come, and this outlaw acute illness takes hold, you have roots deep and the additional reassurance that you have the acute remedies to assist in lifting off the acute probem. Ever notice that when a flu virus goes through your family, there are common characteristics that happen to all members. BUT there are many things that one has and another doesn't. Why? If the virus was a cookie cutter virus, each person should have the same presentation. But, each person has different set of weaknesses, more vulnerable areas. Why? Because we aren't empty slates that a virus moves in on. There are deep channels in each of us that interact with charactieristis of the pandemic. It's like those who say our personality is formed strictly by outer circumstances. Can't be. because each member will respond in an individual way to the same incident. It's because we are not blank slates. So the key here is this 'weaving' we have inside us. So much of us is coming out of this 'warp and woof' inside. (I believe warp and woof are weavers terms of the two directions of the threads used in making a persian rug. The loops which make the pattern we see on the top are anchored into the warp and woof fibers underneath.) I sure hope this helps. Please write back if it isn't clear. I'll try again. We really want to help people understand this. It takes some rearranging of some brain cells to do this. Good Luck! S JavaScript:AddSmileyIcon('') |
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Carver: I was reading your explanation about the root system and how the body as one can not be separated into individual organs all doing their own thing, I agree with that however, I will also disagree with the fact that one, and only one remedy( you stated the silver compound as the one to do this) is the agent that will cause that change in order to maintain or regain a state of health, if that was the case then we will be ignoring the first principle that not one single remedy, practice , medicine, factor can achieve that task (homeostatic state)by itself. >We will have to take a look at the individual as a whole.
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I'll keep trying as this is hard to explain. It really takes a long time to get
this. I think there are 2 things to clarify. Re; the silver thing. The topic was on the minute dose of the substance called silver. What they have 'discovered' is something that homeopaths have known for 200 years. And finally science is catching up with homeopathy! Ironic because everone just brushes us off or even laughs at us. My comment was on the minute dose, not on Argentum being a 'remedy for Bird flu. Silver is not usually included in the'flu like cluster' of remedies. Argentum, Artentum nitricum, Argentum phosphoricum and more are remedies that will strengthen the roots of a person who displays the characteristis of Argentum when the case is taken. As the overpowering pandemic's bears down on the population, some bodies will hold in the Argentum state, others will be overtaken by the pandemic. In this case you give the remedy that matches this persons pattern and clear off that layer. When the Argentum comes back you go back to Arg. Classically trained homeopaths feel that in an ideal world, there is one or 2 supremely optimum remedies for each person. I do feel that way because of what I have seen. There is nothing like a similimum case. Nothing. Hopefully you will all be able to see that some day. But.... enter reality. Sometimes the client isn't being honest with you. Or they don't know what info we need. Sometimes you have a hunch what the remedy would be, but it doesn't exist yet. The factors that change this are many. Injury, grief, a overwhelming pandemic, job loss, a parents concern for their wayward child. All of these things affect us. This can change the state. This is not easy thing to figure out. The interaction of the state and our life experiences are like 2 sides of an A frame building that goes up to the clouds. You know they cross some where, just can't see where. The next thing you brought up was other things acting as agents of change, maintaining or regaining health. We never say that only H. can heal. Some folks will never darken our door. My best friend is one of those. I am working on another case where she weeps with music. Singing makes her feel so much better. Great! But it is temporary. I was in on a case once where a young girl didn't even pick up the remedy! She realized in the 2 hour session that she needed to talk to her mom. Her Mom apologized and some things were cleared out! She still had her acne, but her Mom turned out to be more healing. Now, it would have ben nice if she would have followed through with th rem. as she may have been able to have both clear skin and a great relationship with her Mom. But perhaps some day she will be back. You will find classical homeopaths to be quite passionate, because we see how it changes people. Until I saw it I didn't understand either. My entire family's dynamic changed when I understood everyone on the level of a homopath. Like nothing else out there. There is more to health than absense of disease. Ask yourself, what is 'health'? Not an easy answer. Well, I have a question for the folks on this forum. Do you want to continue this or should I bow out now? I used to go home from Homeopathy school in tears becasue it made me think so hard I was exausted! i have never had to think so hard as those 4 years of school. It will challenge every assumption you have thought you got figured out. If this doesn't fit this site, that's fine. Carver homeopath |
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