American Blackout

along related lines

The Anatomy of a Breakdown

http://readynutrition.com/resources/the-anatomy-of-a-breakdown_12112012/

Gee, people need to get the hint. This is "the powers that be" trying to get people to prep.   Believe me there is a reason "they" keep putting movies, and TV programs on survival situations. The government knows it can't provide in a large disaster for the whole country or even a very large portion of the country.

A flood or hurricane hits the rest of the country can come to the rescue but if their is a huge power outage there is no way power will come back any time soon. Life will get bad fast.

Pay attention there are people who know more than we do and they are trying to tell the public to prep.

FluMom wrote: Gee, people need to get the hint. This is "the powers that be" trying to get people to prep.   Believe me there is a reason "they" keep putting movies, and TV programs on survival situations. The government knows it can't provide in a large disaster for the whole country or even a very large portion of the country. A flood or hurricane hits the rest of the country can come to the rescue but if their is a huge power outage there is no way power will come back any time soon. Life will get bad fast. Pay attention there are people who know more than we do and they are trying to tell the public to prep.

What would happen after an EMP attack?

or a cyber attack or a major solar flare for that matter

one person's opinion on how things might play out

when its LIGHTS OUT

http://forums.stardock.com/357651/page/5/#2283044

Crying Out Loud wrote: Without an EMP or Solar Event, what else could happen to disenable communications, internet and any other...Live Feed Systems? What I am asking, is...could it be possible to stop the communications, without disrupting the electricity needed to heat and cool homes, and to pump water and gas for individuals house holds, apartments etc?

 

Turbo Guy,

Crying Out Loud wrote: Televisons and radios need satellites to broadcast as well?

 

Napolitano Says U.S. Will Suffer ‘Major’ Cyber-Attack in Future

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-27/napolitano-says-u-dot-s-dot-will-suffer-major-cyber-attack-in-future

"“Our country will, at some point, face a major cyber-event that will have a serious effect on our lives, our economy, and the everyday functioning of our society,” Janet Napolitano, President Barack Obama’s top homeland security official since 2009, said in remarks prepared for her farewell speech today."

My late husband held a pretty high position in government. We were at a social function where an executive for Xcel Energy was there. We were having a nice conversation when I said to him, "We are very vulnerable in this country because our grid is open to terror attack and you guys have no redundancy in your system. If the grid goes down we are all in trouble." His response, "I can't talk about that."   I again said, "Do you have redundancy?" Again his response, "I can't talk about that."

We are in big trouble and most don't know it.

That is why I have put in lots of wood and have the ability to cut wood and split it by hand. Harbor Freight has a great 10 ton splitter that is very easy to use. Living in cold Colorado you have to keep warm 5-6 months out of the year! I have many ways to cook and now several ways to make water clean.

I have a suggestion for a potty...get 100 sand bags fill with dirt from making an outhouse. Use the filled sand bags as protection if you have to defend your house.   

So way to stay warm, way to cook, way to go potty, way to protect from guns, what more can you ask for in a world without power.

Before I would go for sun power I would go for wind power. It would be nice to have both but I can't afford either!

Looks like propaganda!

Two engineers discover power grid is extremely vulnerable to attack

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/19/1248869/-Two-engineers-discover-power-grid-is-extremely-vulnerable-to-attack

I have a flashlight in my bathroom, bedroom, a lantern in my living room and one in my kitchen. Also one in my purse (can never have too many flashlights lol) I have a BOB too in my living room closet. Working one one for my S.O. too. I remember when the power went out in my old 8 floor apartment complex and it was pitch black darkness. My friend got stuck in the dark walking up the stairs and started freaking out and called me so I grabbed a flashlight and walked up the stairs to try and find her. She didn't even know what floor she was on...So after that, I got her to her to her apartment, but for some reason, the card readers didn't even work (maybe it had to do with power outage and her room mates weren't home, so we walked back down the stairs and went to my apartment since I lived on the first floor and went in through my patio (one of my old roommates never locked it, which is dangerous.) Anyway, we stayed in my apartment the whole night, and then I nagged her about getting a flashlight lol. She was also in the San Diego area blackout since she's from there (though we go/went to school in the Inland Empire-she finished before me.) even then her family was unprepared, no candles, flashlights. I have plenty of AAA batteries (for my battery powered radio/two-way walkie-talkies) and plenty of AA of whatever I might need those for. I just need more D batteries for my led lantern. Supposedly on one set of batteries it can stay lit for the equivalent of six days nonstop. I also have a solar/crank powered radio too with weather-band and light. I think I might get a camp stove, but where would i store those little propane bottles at in an apartment? I do know alternative ways on how to start a fire though. I've been reading wilderness survival books since I was a kid, I had a high reading level. In 2nd grade, I had the reading level of a 9th grader. lol I might invest in a bag of charcoal or two since at this complex, our grills are charcoal ones, not propane.

I saw that earlier today, and I surprised to find out that Cheney had a heart
And the guy that discovered how to hack a pacemaker was found dead just a few days before he was scheduled to demonstrate it at a conference in Vegas. Interesting timing.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383908/Was-nerd-killed-discovering-murder-pacemaker.html

Insider: Supermarkets Have Less Than One Day Supply Of Food On Hand

http://govtslaves.info/insider-supermarkets-less-one-day-supply-food-hand/

cobber wrote: Looks like propaganda! Brain washing yall to be fearful of cyber attacks. Big evil China etc etc..  cynical?? maybe

This is a topic I have been posting on and have worked on in my company for years.  Also the book Pandemic Now has still not been released and is a survival manual with a chapter called When the Light Go Out.

After 5 years of intense research on this problem, preparing for it, and dealing with it when it inevitably happens, it presents a more frustrating dilemma than you might imagine.

It was originally estimated 4 years ago that the power grid would collapse in 2 years due to simply too much data for the computers to handle.  Even without an EMP or the scenarios in the movies where terrorists can take out the grid in 2 hours with 6 people and horse manure used to make the explosive, bad weather can be more effective and minus all the drama.

The response time in some states can be nightmarish with power going down for weeks. The last "expert" I spoke to told me that it would not be 6 months if the Grid went down, but a year or longer. Many power grid computers are hit with virus and worm attacks thousands of times a day. 

Where the grid was once a top priority and a red letter item at a Synchro Phaser meeting attended by a friend on the West Coast, a solution to the surging demand as it increases has resulted in rolling blackouts in many U.S. cities.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/08/03/story5.html

Preparing for a blackout is not as simple as one might think.  This may disturb some Preppers but because of executive orders and human nature, any person storing up food in the basement, will run into looters and the U.S. government days after it goes down.

In New York, even an 8 hour blackout brought chaos and looting. In the event of real power out (even several weeks), the law enforcement would be overwhelmed in a short time and have to conserve their response or they would be wiped out.

As to the executive orders, in the event of martial law, all food can be compensated and used to feed the troops, individuals can be removed from their homes and relocated and also put to work.

Having a visible stock pile would  lure to looters and often result in the death of the whole family. 

So, the Grid is highly unstable.  Again, as when I predicted the last flu Pandemic, this is a "not if but when"  event.  It is a challenge nearly equal to the U.S. ability to fight a serious bioweapon attack with a truly efficient and spreadable virus, or a circular overload of the New England grid as occurred several years ago in the winter,. It would be a disaster.  Should there be an EMP burst or anything that would block communication, we would have set up communication with hops through Ham radio and portable relays. The collapse of the Internet would shut down nearly everything which now is dependent on computers.

All these things, I have worked on for years, and perhaps it is time to release the book Pandemic Now which has been "very difficult" to get out there.

A fair share of the Grid is underground and there are alternate ways to generate power.  Coming from one of the mother of all coal states, I saw how there is enough coal  which can be mined (in the old days there was no electricity) and used for fuel to create power, light, and heat.

Solar is not the answer because solar panels would be easily visible in a collapse and would be a prime target. 

It is not really a fun job ruining peoples weeks with the truth.  This is no government conspiracy. It is simple facts and numbers as we grow in population and need for electricity at record rates and their is a countdown to zero. Government does not conspire. They simply get more powerful and pass laws to keep them that way.

Prepping and survival tips are all over this site. In the event of a real shutdown, the cities would become death traps and SIP (Staying in place) where the criminals and what few mental patients currently in institutions that were  left, would  be dumped into the streets,  and would be a serious challenge to survival. Many criminals, addicts, alcoholics, and severally mental people now roam our streets.

Prep. Don't show or tell anyone what you have and hide it  underground below your house. This way no one can watch from the outside and see you go to your "stash." Continue, as many people do here, to monitor updated news reports to anticipate the events, and forget worrying about .gov. You can discuss .gov in your shelter when TPTB (the powers that be) head down to any one of a dozen shelters that now exists in the U.S.

Medclinician

Crying,

I hate to break the news to you, but if you were freezing to death or starving you would become barbaric like everyone else, perhaps even worse. 

 

The world that you refer to above would be unfit for all of us, not just you.

 

The error in your thinking is not understanding that your "current" logic and reasoning would be changed under harsh circumstances.  You wouldn't be any different than anybody else under similar circumstances, so your current self righteous air of moral supriority would cease to exist at that moment.  Your "character and temperament" would be radically altered.

Elver and Jacksdad, what you wrote is exactly what I was attempting to say in my post. I recognize that I could and would rapidly turn to into a raging, violent lunatic if the conditions forced my mind into such a tragic scenario. I recognize that I would be no different, than the most shocking psychopath in the right conditions. I am no different then the most naive and timid little child. Because I know myself and my limits, I recognize that my fragile mind and my positive purpose, can and would be turned against me, and the against the best interest of those whom I care about most. This is why I am such an advocate of moral self-deliverance; also known as The Saint's Clause. Ancient civilized people, simply called this philosophy; The Arc of the Covenant. Positive self-protection through the venue of logical and rational suicide technique. To separate with an unsound world. The jusitifed liberty to seek and find refuge and shelter, in a positive, more ethically advanced atmosphere.

Crying Out Loud wrote: Medclinician, perhaps several viruses will cross paths with each other, in order to inflict as much damage as possible, to individuals and gangs. For example, MERS seems to target certain individuals more than others.   I would find the world you have described, as one unfit for me. In fact the atmosphere I am in now, is unfit for me, for I am not a good fit for the unbalanced tone of the present world. Survival of the fittest, is the reality of living with and among others who compliment and benefit each other. Like equals like. If being fit to survive, means that I would have to become a bully, violent, persecute and kill, then, I am not fit/meant to be in that world.   I would choose to die off, from that negative civilization, then to brag about how I became barbaric and was fit to be among them. I do not want to look at my actions, and see my actions as equal to all that I find wrong. The more one is placed in a situation of competiton and violent survival, the more the survivor must take on these traits, becoming the very thing, he or she was once strongly against. Logic and reason would dictate to a peaceful individual, that there is no room for their character and temperament in this type of world.

As opposed to the statement " you would become barbaric like everyone else", perhaps not. As the number of Christians in the U.S.  was nearly 80% of the population in 2010.

http://christianity.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=christianity&cdn=religion&tm=88&f=00&tt=11&bt=6&bts=72&zu=http%3A//www.pewforum.org/Christian/Global-Christianity-exec.aspx

The idea of massive Christian survival groups is likely given the numbers, not only in the U.S. but globally  with 2.18 billion Christians.


Many contacts online have told me they would not want to live in the situation I have described in the aftermath of a power grid, infrastructure, and "The Stand" by Stephen King like future.  The "Mad Max" desert world with Mel Gibson and filmed in Australia is a painful reminder who would might survive and what it may be like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max

Christians lived during the reign of the Roman Empire which burned them, fed them to the lions, and thrived as they were crucified and subjected to the torture and some lived  to see the collapse of a morally corrupt society. This a reminder that force and weapons do not ensure a superpower which can last against passive resistance, even. 

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember their past are condemned.

George Santayana - Spain
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Santayana

However this is not to say, Christians will not be armed and dangerous, in contrast to the martyrs before the Byzantine Empire. Perhaps one of the greatest fears of the government is a Christian zealot with a gun in their hand.  Even the smallest sign of such a group with an arms cache was set on fire in Waco, Texas of the Branch Davidians headed by David Koresh  burned alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

In a Blackout, just as with the fruit flies

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/26/us/mediterranean-fruit-flies-return-to-california.html

some will by sheer numbers live to see the rebirth or Renaissance which may follow years of harsh and dangerous times. 

By the number of Christians  in the United States, there should be more that survive than any other group. It is likely small groups who now dominate the press and government agenda, will be demonized and face some real dangers in such a world.

Conclusion:

Would  I want to live in such a world?  Yes, I would. I am a survivor and somehow would find those of similar beliefs in some sanctuary and try to continue.  I think there are many survivors out there who have the courage, moral fiber, and faith to make it through.  Even without the faith and Christianity it is likely some of every group will make it through.

This of course is highly controversial.  Certainly, the Muslims have demonstrated an equal ability to survive and continue due their own deeply held and practiced religious beliefs as 2.03 billion are currently alive and several million now return from Mecca.

http://www.muslimpopulation.com/World/

Would the U.S. become a target despite "the sick don't fight" scenario?  Looking at the "Eight-Ball" toy by Mattel - which is hardly a reliable tool to predict the future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball

Signs point to yes.

Medclinician

Medclinician, thank you for taking the time to put together such an informative response. However, contrary to what you have assumed...I am not of Christianity. Nor am I Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Bhuddist etc. My one true devotion that descends all others; is for the genuine health, safety, prosperity and peace of the entire Wholly Family. Their right of way, is pre-existing. I am positively theirs, and they are positively mine. No situation or world religion regardless of its name, or its commercial front, can ever change this basic truth. Trafficing in commercial instruments; setting up shrines, churches, temples...along with the placing of inhumans on commercially created thrones, is not of positive intelligence. The inhumans robbed the Wholly Family, to set up a counterfeit inhuman "family." The bodies politic, and all that was and is desired by and for them. They have no seat or admiration outside of their fraudulent creation. There are no churches, synogogues, temples or Jesus characters, outside of the inhuman creation. Any one who says they saw Jesus, Mary, Elohim, Muhammad etc through some near death experience, never left the inhuman sphere. They merely recalled the same old programming. The same thing goes with any one who claims they saw serpents, hell and the devel...because they were so corrupted, and now they are preaching the ways of repentance through Christ. All inhuman mind/intellectual control.

Hello Turboguy,