It's been fun but I'm finished.

It's been fun but...
Thank you Avian Flu Talk for trying to provide a forum for the exchange of information. I have ventured in and attempted to contribute. I expected that differing opinions would be welcome. I made the mistake early of engaging with a long established member and disagreeing with his/her opinions. I regrettably characterized some of those opinions as being 'tin foil hat' material and quickly apologized. I have attempted to provide balance to an extreme point of view but instead of healthy debate have encountered something much less positive. Good luck to all. I hope the next newcomer with a different perspective will have a better experience than I have.

Saskabush, I came here to read flu-news. In the General discussion-part I did find general discussions. I welcome differents point of view, the reasons behind those views. But I do not like endless pointless discussions when there is nothing new in that. 

I haven't contributed to any discussions in a while because the site, at the moment, seems a bit overrun with paranoid conspiracy theorists. I come here for news on the flu or for interesting and relevant survival / prepping ideas. I don't come here to listen to people raving about some vast conspiracy. 

Tin foil can protect you from back ground radiation. Don't knock it.

The Housing Bubble collapse and GFC was no trivial matter at all.

I came to this Flu-talk forum to discuss the flu/health issues. Western Europe largly escaped from a severe flu-season but I am very interested to hear news from elsewere. H7N9 might escape both the flu-season and China, H5N1 is still around, even MERS. Both they all are far away and news from them is difficult, partly also because of language difficulties. 

Oops I should have said "stand a chance of what is going on".  

Then again maybe not...... at least in Ukraine.

My point was all the influenza pandemics and possibly the 1918 pandemic and SARS and all the current flu nasties all come from China.

the influenza virus mutates by shift and by drift

Tin foil has many great uses.  However I should point out it is actually made from aluminum which is not so good for human heath.  I would advocate steel or copper wire to construct psychotronic defenses.  It is human friendly and defelects all types of harmful radiation more effectively than aluminum.  Steel mesh is used in Microwave oven doors so you can peek in at your food without massive radiation exposure or burning your face off.  My friend, take a rest and return in due time.  These parasites can drain you of your life force and emotional energy creating a demoralizing atmosphere.  Yes, psycological parasites are very real.  Go ahead, get your laughs and cheap shots now.  Done laughing?  Grown up yet?  Good, as I was saying.  These psychological parasites have been here manipulating humanity from behind the curtain since the beginning.  You are thier food source.  You raise food and eat it.  Who said we are the top of the food chain?  Do you really believe that?  Early man considered these beings as Gods because they displayed feats we considered not possible.  They aren't gods.  They aren't even humans.  They come from some where else and have used us as a natural resource.  Many apologies, a "Human Resource".  Hense your human resource department at your job or local political office.  You are given access to enough of your brain to operate a motor car, various tools, computers ect.  That is is though, any more than that and you are an enemy of the state.  If you aren't on your knees begging to be forgiven for crimes (sins) that you did not even commit then you need to work and earn thier money.  When you aren't doing those things then you need to be entertained.  There is an entire industry for this, music, movies, books, sports and so on.  When your needs are paid for with thier money that you are killing yourself to earn, it must be spent on this entertainment product.  That way what ever brain functions you have left over are polarized with sensationalism entertainment nonsense.  The next day you can swoon over the loss of your favorite sports team or celebrate a win.  You can see you favorite movie/tv star uncover the gripping plot to its climax.  Or you can beat the bad guy in a virtual enviroment generated by the magic xbox or playstation.  Meanwhile the control system plugs away at its personal agenda using thier human conterparts to keep the rest of you in line with its laws and rules.  Most of you call them Police or Federal agent of some kind.  They are all the same in the end and they are not friends of humanity.  They are noones friends, they are the prison gaurds and you are the prisoners.  The warden class of course treats those gaurds very well and even the warden class are not to control system in its entirety.  The humans that leave the potential to raise all hell, they have spacial poisons for you.  Drugs and alcohols of all kinds to keep you in a powerless stupor.  That is why they poison the tap water with sodium flouride.  That is why they make poisonous food additives and as of late, the chem trails to litterally attack the air you breathe.  Let us not forget cigarettes, they poison those as much as they can.  They don't want to kill us off with it, merely to weaken and keep you in that state.  These my friends are sad facts.  Ever hear of GMO's?  Genetically modified organisms?  Genetically modify the food and you can modify the being eating that food.  You can put in a syringe and sell it as a cure.  Make sure you get vaccinated, we can't have you running around with good immune systems now can we.  Children as young as 12 months are required to have these modifying vaccines and everyone seems ok with it.  I guess it is ok to poison your babies in the name of health.  Make sure your infant only gets flouride water with that formula.  Go ahead and poison our children, its for thier health.  Poison yourself while your at it so we can sell you a product that doesn't exist called insurance.  That way you can spend the paper you killed yourself to earn so you may live a little longer.  At the end of it you die anyhow.  An investment well worth every penny.  You see, that way you can give your money away to some financial agency that will deny your coverage for this reason or that.  That way you have thrown your money in the trash, gotten terribly ill chasing the money that you have thrown away and have to foot the bill for the snake oil that won't cure you anyhow.  Brilliant, I wish I thought of this, I could be rich.  It makes as much sense as pulling a pin from the hand grenade and tossing the pin while clutching the hand grenade.  That is how the control system likes it to be.  If you don't like it then I encourage you to change it.  I have spoken outwardly like this before and don't have many friends as a result.  I am ok with that.  I know who my real friends are and they deserve my friendship.  The rest, well lets just say they are beyond anyone's help.  One thing controllers have a history of, they always fail.  They may seem to have the upper hand and might maintain that for a while.  As time goes on it requires unbelievable amounts of maintinence and eventually become unsustainable.  After a period of instability it all crashes down.  Those caught in the destruction of it are severely traumatized by it.  The trauma creates submission.  Of course this is all intentional.  Then you get to be like my friend Saskabush, engaging with the parasite and eventually submit to it.  The more you struggle, the more you feed it.  It is time I think to challenge these out moded ideas and ancient advesaries of humankind. 

Kilt2, very funny comment.  I like sharp things.  When will the nice men with the white coats get here?  I want to show them my sharp things and just how good I have gotten with them.  I sure could use a nice new jacket.  My old one wore out from wriggling out if it too many times.  I am sure your simple comment with vitually no thought behind it has amused you to no end.  It amused me.  It didn't take me long to point one out.  He he he.  I tell you what, write something that at least has enough substance to become debatable and I will get back to you in a year or two.  If you really dismiss these things as a joke, well, then too bad for you.  At least you have your sense of humor, your going to need it.  I came here seeking intelligent conversation so I MUST be crazy.

Dutch Josh wrote: Usualy the end of the flu-season on the northern hemisphere means the beginning of the flu-season on the southern half of the earth. Severe epidemics in one part do not predict that much on any other part of our planet.  Also to variaty of virusses H10N8 in China, H5N8 in Korea, H7N7 etc should provide enough interesting information. The "flu-season" is a statistic instrument, nothing more. H7N9 this time might remain active during warmer weather. With MERS, resistant forms of Tuberculosis etc. possible coinfections are widespread.  Better translations would be a great help; it would be nice when a new member on this forum was able to better translate from Chinese, Spanish or Arabic news sources. But also the severe present  flu-cases, that are still trying to get better, treatment-methods etc. is worth discussing.

I agree.
Imagine how valuable a Chinese, feet on the ground contributor might be to this forum during an emergent event.
Then try to imagine how unlikely this forum could attract such a person with the likes of Kilt posting the non stop Death Star BS.

Its not BS

Nergal wrote: Kilt2, very funny comment.  I like sharp things.  When will the nice men with the white coats get here?  I want to show them my sharp things and just how good I have gotten with them.  I sure could use a nice new jacket.  My old one wore out from wriggling out if it too many times.  I am sure your simple comment with vitually no thought behind it has amused you to no end.  It amused me.  It didn't take me long to point one out.  He he he.  I tell you what, write something that at least has enough substance to become debatable and I will get back to you in a year or two.  If you really dismiss these things as a joke, well, then too bad for you.  At least you have your sense of humor, your going to need it.  I came here seeking intelligent conversation so I MUST be crazy.

I.....

I got nothing.

And it's "You're" as in You Are.

As opposed to the possessive Your.

If you're going to be bat***** crazy, you might as well have good grammar like the rest of us who are insane.

Hey, I love this place!  

CRS DrPH, I love this site too. 

I also love the BS, as long as it has not got nasty.  Turboguy's grammar lesson will have me chuckling for a week.  If I split my sides I just might escape my own jacket!

Seriously though,  As a long-time prepper, I sleep better at night knowing that this early warning system functions so well.

Even the BS can sometimes be revealing.  The realy big science breakthroughs usually come from the "left field" or fringes.  If we all only followed the mainstream we would still be searching for phlogiston and the ether.  The scientific method is still the driving force but when it is wielded by the very bright they can look mighty wierd to everyone else. 

So keep the tin foil hats in production, turn up the BS and  power to the nutters! HA HA HA HA!

If you look through the thousands of posts going back to AFT's early days you'll probably see more non-flu related posts, especially in (but not limited to) the general discussion section. It's just the nature of the forum to go OT when flu drops out of the news, and if you stick around long enough to see the alert level go up and down a few times, you'll get used to the diverse thread topics that keep AFT ticking over between pandemic scares. If a thread isn't to your liking, just leave it alone and post in the ones that are relevant to your interests. There are sites that cater just to pandemic flu related topics and don't tolerate much in the way of off topic discussion (or free thought...), but I find those to be too dry and self important to spend much time in. It can get a little contentious here at times, but at least it's never boring.
Stick around to see how much fun it is around election time

Election time, Jacksdad?  That is everyday.  We are warming up for an independance referendum here.

Opinions please! 

Anyone?

Assuming the vote is yes, then yes.  They have no real choice.

However, it is probably unlikely it will be a vote for independance.  The independance movement here has been growing steadily for decades but it started as quite a small minority.  The government in London saw the writing on the wall (for a change-they usually fail to predict things quite spectacularly) and decided to go for a referendum while Scotland's independance movement was still quite small.

The idea seems to to have been to call their bluff.  It could still backfire though.  There are a lot of Scots who are rabidly anti-English.

The English government then did something amazingly stupid, even for them.  They tried to force the Scottish to remain in the union by insisting they could not share stirling currency.  This turned out not to be true (as was leaked or so it seems, of course that may be a lie).  They continued finding "reasons" to stay in which repeatedly turned out to be either false or only half true.  This has enraged/inflamed many Scots who now do not believe anything which comes out of Westminster.  They are the undisputed masters of the "own goal".

I, myself, am of Irish/Scottish descent.  However I was born and raised in England and sound English.  My heart says vote for independance but looming potential discrimination makes my head say vote against.   I await the outcome with bated breath.

Anyway - other than that dissertation - the reality is :

Kilt2 wrote: Anyway - other than that dissertation - the reality is : 1 China is an economic Bubble - all bubbles burst and 2. Deadly diseases H5N1 and H7N9 and SARS - all come from China. China is a death star. If Snatchwatch doesn't like reality - not my problem.

You just won't let this go will you?
Will the name calling continue indefinitely?
Your reality is someone else's propaganda/BS.... And you regard my opinion the same way. I get that.
But seriously... Hold off the name calling please. Your choices are getting increasingly more offensive!



Can we end this now???