Defcon 4

I would say thats the only way Turboguy.but how long would it take to burn itself out.And how would all the dead be handled

Masks don't seem to cover the typical point of entry.

It seems that people touch something infected and then touch their mouth/eyes.

But then again I've heard that people who are fully suited with scba are catching it too.

The best method of prevention is social distance.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Albert

Albert,  Now I have gotten used to it, I love being a moderator.  Tell me what you want of me and I will try my best to do it.  Thanks for the compliment!

jacksdad wrote: I hear you. The stuff I've been getting lately is 148 grain and much more comfortable. First time I put 40 rounds of heavy ball milsurp through it, I didn't just get a bruise - my shoulder was purple. Lots of fun seeing all the other shooters at the range jump every time it let loose a two foot fireball, although it's really dirty ammo (and corrosive) and takes a lot of cleaning.

Yeah, they're loud too. You have the carbine. I'm sure it is incredibly loud.

That said, just squirt some Windex in the bore after shooting.

Option b is to get a funnel and dump hot, slightly soapy water down the bore. As it is a bolt action you don't have to worry about getting corrosive in any action. So the only corrosive deposition will be from the throat to the muzzle. The reason it is corrosive is because the primers use fulminate of mercury. When fired it leaves mercuric salts. The water will wash it away.

Afterwards clean as normal.

Old school guns like the Mosin are the penultimate prepper rifle. They're decently accurate, cheap, wicked powerful, and the corrosive ammo will literally last forever. Also they don't draw attention like a big sniper rifle or an AR/AK will. Well... until you fire and its a camera flash accompanied by a hellacious BOOM!

Albert wrote: No it wouldn't give us much time.  I'm in Long Beach and you're in Sand Diego.  I suppose it has to get thru you first, lol.   We could also go to defcon 5 if it reaches other continents or regions first. I'm a little surprised that Canada has had no suspected cases.  H5n1 showed up in Canada.  SARS hit Canada first, etc...  They're somewhat of a hot spot.   Usually it's Canada, London, New York/California or Mexico as the wild card.

                                                                                                                                                 This is an older article but I feel it still has some relevance.  This was right as they were determining that this was a new variant strain of the Zaire Ebola virus.  I have a question if some one might know the answer I would appreciate it.  Do health agencies have to confirm all suspected and confirmed cases of Ebola to the public?                                                                                                                                                             bigstory.ap.org/article/man-canadian-hospital-ebola-symptoms

Seems Ebola is now in Mexico...

District Federal.- Jose Antonio Gonzales Figueroa, the first case is confirmed in Mexico and infected with the deadly Ebolavirus. Joseph was admitted and isolated immediately after going to the emergency room with high fever and having confessed that had just returned from vacation in an African country.

The first confirmed case after taking necessary and with the support of the United States government evidence, is in the city of Mexico. Young is a medical student at the UNAM of 22 who went on vacation to an African country and was there for almost a month. Young returned to Mexico on August 2 and was admitted the next day by high fever,vomiting and diarrhea. The young and being treatedand medical staff came to the United States and Mexico today in the morning to determine the best control strategy.

So far the Ministry of Health has issued several statements to the federal government so far have not received any response. The releases include arecommendation to temporarily suspend the return to classes until you confirm that you have controlled the virus. The health secretary said he will continue trying to communicate with the government to prevent a pandemic in Mexico.

WHAT IS THE VIRUS EBOLA?

Ebola is a virus that is found naturally in some species of bats and other birds that have their habitat in the forested areas of Africa. Since her first diagnosis in 1976 18 cases have resulted in several countries: Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Sudan and Gabon. After an incubation time which may take several days to 4 weeks, the initial symptoms are high fever, muscle aches, diarrhea and vomiting that can quickly turn to internal bleeding that can lead to death of the infected, in most cases, . Because there is no known treatment, doctors face this virus trying to relieve their symptoms by strengthening the immune system. A large high percentage of the dead is cleaning staff has been in contact with infected without having complied with the appropriate preventive measures.

The pandemic of Ebola virus that is currently infecting four countries in Africa ah increased exponentially in the last 3 weeks and ah killed at least 338 people in about 6 months. The first cases of Ebola dating from 1971 and it was in Africa that were found. Many people wonder why there is still no cure for this virus if you already have many years of detection. Some experts argue that any organization worldwide ah considered profitable to invest in research for this deadly virus.

From: http://eldiariodechihuahua.mx/El_Pais/2014-08-06/Confirman-primer-caso-de-ébola-en-México/2066c91ca473570526ad0eae6b25250

This is my phone, so I can't embed...

Elver wrote: I would like for everyone to dismiss the idea that it doesn't spread easily because it does! They aren't wearing moon suits for nothing. If the WHO doesn't ban flights out of Africa, then this will quickly become a worldwide disaster.

my tipping point too. 

Albert wrote: No it wouldn't give us much time.  I'm in Long Beach and you're in Sand Diego.  I suppose it has to get thru you first, lol.   We could also go to defcon 5 if it reaches other continents or regions first. I'm a little surprised that Canada has had no suspected cases.  H5n1 showed up in Canada.  SARS hit Canada first, etc...  They're somewhat of a hot spot.   Usually it's Canada, London, New York/California or Mexico as the wild card.

How I Longo for Dago! Gives me goose bumpsies.

Canada has probebly been more honest than us and Mexico...overly honest? Looking at the current infectious disease maps tracking of spread, Mexico and further south is on the radar. Just a hunch of mine.

Turbo- .223 Rem?

Good job techno.

I'll be working on fixing and adding some things to ebolainfo.org.  The site is currently endexing with the search engines and is about to make a splashdown. With regarding to people searching online for info, that little site should dominate and really bring in a lot of new peeps soon.

Anyway, what helps improve the search engines and this effort is when links are posted on other sites.   If possible, maybe we can sneak a link on our facebook profiles, which will really kick start it.  Or on other forums, etc...  It's probably terrible for me to suggest that one, lol.

No it wouldn't give us much time.  I'm in Long Beach and you're in Sand Diego.  I suppose it has to get thru you first, lol.   We could also go to defcon 5 if it reaches other continents or regions first.

I'm a little surprised that Canada has had no suspected cases.  H5n1 showed up in Canada.  SARS hit Canada first, etc...  They're somewhat of a hot spot.   Usually it's Canada, London, New York/California or Mexico as the wild card.

I agree that it's inevitable that it will reach the U.S.  I'm guess probably sooner than later.  Somewhat hoping it reaches South America first so we have a little more time to prepare.   If it reaches here or South America then we'll go to defcon 5 as an Ebola Pandemic will be imminent, albeit a slow moving one that may not reek too much havoc on the U.S., but a pandemic non the less.   Defcon 5 will be a pretty significant warning that the time has arrived. 

With currently 2000 + cases in Africa and an outbreak this large, it could be at anytime.  

Also remember as you're out buying ammo lol, people will in fact begin to panic, SIP, etc.... and when that happens they will be searching all over the internet for info, and a large amount of the public will find their way here looking for it.  In that situation, you folks will be the experts they're look for.  You're not obligated to assist by no means, but actually you are! 

Turbo,

look at Lagos for your answer.

Run down the timeline from the American Sawyer landing the timeline of the other infections, and watch for the spread...if it does.
What your looking for is unseen spreading that culminates in reported illness.

For instance, if we see widespread infection (in Lagos)within a week from now, then you can extrapolate.

the point is it looks like you have a few days from the time they get the first reported case in a city. Sawyer died July 25th....2 weeks ago, already the nurse has died and others are sick. The 21 day incubation period ends next friday.

If we see 20-30 or more infections in Lagos by next week then we know it is circulating today and yesterday, meaning yesterday could be to late to bug out.

...180 grains in my case - hopefully they all stand behind each other in one long line so I can save some money.

A pandemic is imminent - its likely to occur at any time.

jacksdad wrote: TG - I'm really not seeing this outbreak as a reason to lock the doors and SIP.

Meh, they haven't said that things are out of control in the United States either.

My temporary SIP will begin when they start saying, "Uh Oh..." Might that be too late? Perhaps. Hell, probably. But I'll know that things are major league out of control when it's pretty much "Grab what ye can boys!"

I'm a big proponent of the theory that "If you're not at your spot when the SHTF, you're not going to get there" but at the same time, no sense in going full chicken little. Realistically the time to close the borders was a month or two ago, and we should have militarized the southern one and had standing orders to shoot anyone trying to enter illegally.

I agree Jacksdad. This is a slow virus that the Western world can kill within their borders. I feel sorry for Africa they have a long hard battle.

She probebly means the UN. Which is really no more than a committee made up of many nations that already do not like each other. But in light of the threat I would think they would be calling an emergancy full session any minute now to at least figure out who of the members are capable of substantially providing resources and coordinance to stamp this outbreak out. They certainly are able to acomplish that with a war looming. Well this is a war.

Turboguy,I would until the initial craziness is over and then go to your safe place. No one can over come a mob or beat one,wait until they are tired and some are dead,then move quickly and quietly.Once you start to move,do not stop for anything.From the way you talk you have a family.Get them to safety even if you have to hurt some people.Johnray1

KiwiMum wrote: sleusha, who is they? I don't think "they" exist. There is no central government / world order than can make that call. Individuals might think it's a good idea but no one can police it globally. The best that can happen is for an individual country to close it's own borders to all incoming traffic. But just imagine what would happen to a country like the UK or the USA if the government made that call? It would have such an effect on the economy. It's not feasible either to monitor all travellers. When all long haul flights mean a stop over in some other country where other flights merge and passengers all change flights, it would impossible to filter out the safe from the non safe. You can't keep people in quarantine for 25 days unless you are a police state. No one in their right mind would voluntarily opt for 25 quarantine with a bunch of strangers, would you?  I agree with you that it is stupid to keep air travel open at this point and feel that with hindsight, authorities may well regret not shutting their borders before it reached their shores. There's no point in closing a border once Ebola has crossed it.

 that is why this has gotten out of hand, that is the excuse the governments in Guinea and Seirra Leone have given since April 2014.  I do not think it is time to panic quite yet, however the W.H.O. has said since April this was the worst it has seen since the 1995 outbreak they said at the time it was going to be hard to find the chain of transmission.  That was in April, doctor's without borders have been basically screaming since spring they need help, as of late July W.H.O. said they were setting up encampments (what that means I don't know).  The recent mass exodus of volunteers in that region reminds me of rats jumping ship.  That is why certain militaries  have gotten involved they were told, fix your own mess, but we'll give ya some money.